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It is irrelevant to this thread whether you agreed or disagreed with my views in the past on other issues or in the future.

If people don’t want to accept my argument for having a view on an issue that is their problem not mine. But what happens is that the knives come out with snide remarks, innuendo, insults, name calling and broad hints that my view is wrong and it should be in line with the majority.

Excuse me – I wasn’t aware that you were my keeper!

The issue here is simple enough. Was the teacher out of order in her actions? I say yes she was and explained why I thought so. Others said no but did not explain why they thought so other than making excuses for the teacher.

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If you had bothered to read the 20 pages instead of jumping in, in the middle, you would have read that boycotting the shop has been suggested.

But then that is what happens on this forum, people jump in without reading the thread and follow the lead of their favourite member.

I rest my case about name calling.

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We have explained why we thought the teacher was in the right many times. All you have done is make excuses for the young people so it's the same difference.

Do you accept (ignoring the teacher's actions completely) that the young people were in the wrong by being out of school at that time?

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Jeez hon, don't get him going .... all this time wasted on what doesn't even qualify as a storm in a teacup, or a belch in a butty shop ...

I have the feeling that if someone could bring Islam into the question, this nonesense would go on for ever:rolleyes:

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Is it me or was my post about Ian Huntley removed. Funny how people don't want to talk about the reality of child abduction when it's not been made a point of in the daily express.

I don't see why these things are removed, and don't say for childrens' sake, they announced that guy from Smarts suicide and drug problems, so I think we can talk about child abduction and murder quite easily enough. It's not like they don't teach these things in school.

I get the impression that someone didn't like the fact that I made a valid point. God forbid any of your children get molested by a teacher just because you want to give them the same rights as you had. If you asserted your own views on your kids in the first place you wouldn't need to be worrying about teachers being able or unable to do this.

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Also, the woman who runs nutty butty is one in a million and I don't see why her shop should be avoided at all. She's got a wise head on her shoulders and speaks more sense than most of this rabble.

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The relevance is in the fact that I do not automatically disagree with anything you say, as you have accused others of doing. I always try to look at your comments impartially and either agree or not as my reason dictates.

No, I am not your keeper ....... thank God!

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Your post #398 has not been removed Blazey.

Thing is this is a black/white discussion, no grey areas on how we swing on the incident, so pointless one side attempting to persuade the other. Neither 'team' are going to change their mind.

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Sandwich anyone ... I'm just sitting down for a late lunch:rolleyes:

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Not the wisest of things to say .. obviously you never made it onto a school debating team, and if you did, should be thrown off without further ado.

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We didn't even have a school debating team. What is the point of trying to create something like that in a school were most of the students don't even want to be there?

At school I was a musician, I didn't care for law and politics. I was in the school band, choir and played in other bands outside of school. That's all I really bothered doing at school.

I don't see this as a debate, I see it as ganging up against the other side, mainly Jambutty, and putting people off wanting to enter the discussion.

If you think it is fine for a teacher to take your responsibility then that is upto you. Anyone who thinks this shouldn't expect mum of the year award though.

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If you don't like it on here why bother posting ?

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Jambutty is not the "other side", unless the other side means "to pontificate" or "to belittle" ... and he probably looks forward to responses to his didacticsm ...

And it should be fine for a teacher to "take your responsibility"; for a teacher does act in loco parentis, something which you should probably know.

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We are going round in circles now. As has been said, people have expressed strong views on this issue and those people will not be changing their views now.

It is a parents responsibility to ensure that their child gets to school on time. The trouble is that at secondary school age the children often make their own way to school as opposed to being dropped off at the gate by their parents. Parents would assume that the children get there on time unless notified otherwise.

Once the parents have made sure the kids have left the house on time they would not expect their child to take a detour to school via the butty shop. A responsible parent would be mortified if they knew that this was going on.

A responsible parent would applaud a teacher who spotted their child in the butty shop and ordered them to school.

To be quite honest though, the odds are quite high that a child sitting in a butty shop when they should be in school is not the offspring of a responsible parent. Not necessarily of course but quite probable.

There are several contenders for mum of the year on here.....myself, Bernadette, Katex, Gayle, Westender to name but a few. ;):D

No-one who gave a damn for their kids education would fail to back that teacher for what she did.

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Blessed are they that go around in circles for they shall be called big wheels ...

I was once voted "mother of the year" or maybe it was mother with an "f" word after it:eek:

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Perhaps only fair to let the shopkeeper have the last word (I hope!).

Her comments on the Observer web-site:-

" Hw rude some people are. When i rangthe observer i never once thought about my profits. when i confronted this teacher about her actions she was very rude towards myself and other people in my cafe. we were all disgusted at the way these YOUNG ADULTS were being spoken too. Like i said to the teacher there was no need to be screaming at these school kids on the street like she did. she made a fool of her self as you can imagine how busy the area is at 8:45. Theseshool kids would have been just a few minutes late but when they got to school they were locked out making them nearly half an hour late. were is the sense. i understand lateness is a problem in schools and always will be unfortunatly. when i spoke to Mr Burke all he said was that letters would be sent home to late children. Aletter does nothing these days. my 4 year old son speaks to people with respect. Its just a shame teachers cant let alone a senior teacher. Every one is so quick to call school kids of today. I simply wanted to make people understand that its not always the parents fault. My piont was if you give young adults respect then they will learn how to show it. When the school used to let the last years out at dinner it gave them a sence of maturity and something to look forward to in your last year. Now in my eyes they are locked away like animals. some may not agree but thats my view and im sure the school kids would agree. like i said i didnt once think about my profits, just about sticking up for the local school kids for a change. "
stacey everett, oswaldtwistle
9/07/2008 at 17:35

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Sticking up for the local school kids?...ow how nice and considerate to run a butty shop with such high and mighty values..they should stand for the local elections..the brave upstanding members of the butty shop.

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So, after spending some quality time hugging hoodies, you should hug some "young adults"?:confused::rolleyes:

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Should have gone to specsavers I think :rolleyes:

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From the view of a young person who left high school just three years ago, her views are entirely correct. She should be commended for speaking out about the teacher's actions. Hopefully it will make people who demand a 'fight fire with fire' approach to tardiness a little wiser, or looking at this thread perhaps it won't.
Displaying anger towards young people only breeds more of the same. It can't achieve anything. What may see a positive effect is an attempt to raise educational standards. Raise them to a level where pupils actually want to be in school on time every morning, or at least see the value of punctuality before they break the rules. I think that's what a lot of people are missing here - modern high school pupils are losing the value of punctuality and polite behaviour etc, rather than intentionally and consistently going against these values and breaking the rules. You can't be dismissing morals and values if you aren't given any to follow in the first place. It's not the pupil's fault that the education system in this country is failing them completely. Children spend the most of their time in education and the goverment are only concerned with making them exam passing machines for these wonderful (urgh) 'targets' they set, rather than bringing up PEOPLE.

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She openly admits the kids would have been late for school by being camped in her shop. On the one hand she thinks adults should respect kids, on the other hand as long as she is getting the money then she is quite happy to see kids disprespect the rules set out for them. Double standards.

I should also add that we have still only had one side of the story which is a shame because the loudest to shout are the ones who are heard

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Sorry Gayle but the one thing that I haven’t done is make excuses for the kids not being in school. I defy you to find where I have sided with them.

My point is and always has been that the teacher did not have the authority to harangue the pupils out of school even if it was during school hours.

My first post in this thread on page 6 post 88 was responding to Jae Swift’s post 14, which by then had already drifted off the subject was:
Actually Jae Swift has a point.

When I was at school, albeit a long while ago, we had two or even three teachers who were specialists in a particular subject and knew it thoroughly. But s/he was not restricted to that subject and could teach other subjects with varying degrees of ability. However the specialist teacher would teach that subject to all classes of all years.

Any “clever clogs” in the class couldn’t baffle the teacher because the teacher always knew more than the pupil and thus gained the class’ respect. But there always have been and always will be some teachers who just cannot catch and hold the pupil’s interest. A disinterested pupil is a bored pupil and a bored pupil is likely to be a disruptive pupil.

The other side of that coin became evident during my first 12 months in the navy. We had instructor lieutenants who boffed up on the next days teaching the night before. Their tuition was not very good and it was up to the CPO teaching the practical side to get us to understand what the instructor lieutenant tried to teach.

There is nothing worse than being taught by someone who doesn’t really know their subject.

This respect thing starts in the home and should be reinforced in the first school. But then there is the disruptive element, where the teachers cannot or are not allowed to quash. By the time that the kids get to secondary school the rotten apple in the barrel has tainted other pupils.

As for the butty shop – well it’s none of the school’s business who buys what and when. The teacher who stormed in the shop was out of order. She/he should have been in school doing his/her job and not acting like some avenging Truant Officer. A schools’ responsibility starts and ends at the school gate.

That last paragraph brought out the knives, the abuse etc. because my view did not conform to the views of many others.

No one has been able to show that my view was incorrect. Show me a law or a rule which allows a teacher to harangue pupils off the school premises whether during school hours or not, except on an official trip away from school.

There has been a lot of nit picking and skirting around the issue and I didn’t start it but I reserve the right to defend myself and answer in kind if I so choose.

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Now there’s a statement I never expected to read, or in view of the content of this thread maybe I should have.

Suggesting that someone should be thrown off the debating team because of their views on the subject.

That if anything confirms that if some people do not conform to the majority view, then they shouldn’t make them.

Interesting! Very, very interesting!

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No you may not

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Yes indeed but only on the school premises or on an official trip away from the school.

Not in a nearby shop during school hours.

That is the point that most people are deliberately overlooking because to address it they would have to acknowledge that my view was the correct view. And some people won’t do that come hell or high water.

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So you condone unilateral action even if the teacher didn’t have the authority.

I wonder what the view would have been if one of those kids chased out of the shop got knocked down crossing the road?

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Because - we don't agree that your view is correct.

The people who disagree with you are the ones that, like myself, believe that the teacher had every right to go in and fish the 'young people' out of the shop.

They were late and should have been in school. Therefore on school time! So we believe that once on school time, the teachers are taking on the parental responsibility and were in the right.

As for the teacher being out of school, that's the point that we don't know. We don't know if the headmaster requested the teacher went to catch all the truants, we don't know if the teacher in question was supposed to be in class and we don't know if the teacher was getting herself a bacon butty and unhappy to be caught out. What we also don't know is if the pupils in question had a history of being late or absent!

And if we don't know, neither do you - therefore, your continual insistence that the teacher was in the wrong has no basis either.

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Much obliged for posting the shopkeeper’s letter to the Observer.

Are kids locked out if they are a few minutes late for school? Why and for how long?

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Neither do we know if the story is 100% correct in the first place. We have had only one version of it, and as that person has quite openly admitted she doesn't have a problem with kids being late for school,
then the credibility of the story teller is hardly convincing to me.

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I’ll go along with your view for the most part.

I would just add that the pupils themselves also have some responsibility in this equation.

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And I believe that a home owner has every right to tackle a burglar without fear of prosecution. Yet people have been prosecuted for defending their home. I myself received a police caution for bloodying a burglar’s nose before he managed to make his escape, although he was quickly caught and laid a complaint against me. My belief doesn’t make it lawful if the law says otherwise.

The whole case on supporting the teacher has been based on a belief or a desire.

It isn’t what you believe but what is. A teacher does not have any authority over the pupils outside of the school premises regardless of whether it is during school hours or not.

I agree we do not know why the teacher was out of school and in the butty shop but I would suggest that in view of the published report and the subsequent response to it the headmaster would have told the press she was at the butty shop lawfully, if indeed she was. As it is all he would say is something about sending letters to the homes of the late arrivals, this would suggest that she was at fault. And the school closed ranks to prevent it becoming known that teachers were in the habit of leaving the school premises during school hours.

If you were the head, in view of your beliefs on this issue, wouldn’t you have claimed that the teacher was right to do what she did? Or would the fact that she shouldn’t have been in the shop at that time prevent you from making that claim and therefore saying nothing?

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If the shopkeeper’s version of events and her subsequent reply in the Observer were incorrect then a case of libel would undoubtedly be successful.

I look forward to the LEA bringing such a case on behalf of the teacher or maybe her union if she is a member of one.

I won’t hold my breath though.

But this is all still skirting around the real issue. Would that be because the teacher’s cheerleaders would have to admit that the teacher should not have been outside of school during school hours, which is the issue. And of course they would also have to admit that I have been right in my view. Such an admission would stick in the craw of some.

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wouldn't stick in my craw, i agree wi ya sometimes, sometimes i don't, i have been known to be wrong before n probably again, i honestly think though that you never think yer wrong.

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When a student isn't in school, even if they should be in school or not, a teacher should not have any right to approach a child and harass them. How is the general public meant to ascertain whether that adult hassling the child is indeed their teacher? It puts the shopkeeper in an awkward position.

Imagine if it had been someone like Ian Huntley entering the sandwich shop, and being a trustworthy figure to the child, the child left willingly with him to school, only to be driven away in a car to a remote place to be beaten, raped and murdered? How would that shop keeper feel if they KNEW they had just watched someone enter the shop, approach the child and not said a word?

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Surely this just re-inforces the need for children to be where they are meant to be??????

And with the greatest if respect, who do you think would be the first people that the shop keeper would ring if these children had been misbahving. The school of course. Therefore, the owner should back the school 100%

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I think in this case I'ts up your nose or on your bloody nerves.
I still think the teacher was right and still await the response from the Headmaster if anyone has the balls to ring him...cost too much from Spain.

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Keep promising myself, would not come back on this thread, unfortunately I am weak :(

Sightly out of context Jambutty . (and you know it :p) Not against Blazey disagreeing at all .. or you. Just the etiquette of debate (and yes, still regard this as a debate) ... did object to her calling us with opposing views 'the rabble' that was all, not cricket, old boy.

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Could that be because I don’t stick my oar into every topic?

Only those that I know what I’m talking about.

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No one is arguing whether a child should be in school or not. We all agree that children of school age should be in school during school hours. But that isn’t the issue.

However it is comforting to know that you KNOW what the shopkeeper would do if school children misbehaved in her shop.

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Hmmm! Thrown out of a debate for name calling. Interesting point.

Maybe it should be applied rigorously in this forum?

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Just my perimeters Jambutty that's all, and just my own personal standards for discussion, not responsible for the rest of the forum.

Just a comment on 'respect' for other members, which is one of the main keywords here ... LOL.

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oh i stick my oar in many of the threads, its called having n opinion.:rolleyes: but then i never pretend to know everything i comment on. its just n opinion. thought thats what a forum was, but i'm sure you will correct me.:D

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It's a forum for discussions and debates,you don't stick your oar into topics you express your opinions.
And i don't always know what i'm talking about but i have my own opinions on subjects and like to express my views and see others.

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Native American culture, eh. That's an interest of mine.

And the question of loco parentis is a complex one ... When minors are on the way to school, who is the responsible guardian, the parents or the teacher? Or are they in some kinda "parentis" limbo:confused:

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Why don't you phone the school and ask the head teacher that question?

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That would be too easy and stop him from trying to prove everybody wrong!
Maybe hes afraid to do so in case he doesn't like the answer!

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I should have asked when I was there yesterday! :D

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Would it not be failing them even more if it failed to round them up out of butty shops and shepherd them into school where they should be?
Which pupil are you blaming? Oh I see, you spent so much time in butty shops, causing the education system to fail you, that you don't know how to use an apostrophe.;);)

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Shakermaker has done pretty well for himself and certainly isn't a failure! How can you imply someone is a failure just for using an apostrophe wrong, for all you know it could have been an innocent typing error or something!

Who hasn't ever missed a day or work or been late before? Children aren't perfect, if they were they wouldn't learn anything. I'm working on a summer school at the moment and I'm not allowed to make sure the girls get up and get to registration on time, it's their own responsibility. If they are late then once they get there they suffer the consequences, and not a minute sooner.

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Are you a teacher ?

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We don't use the term teacher on summer schools as a lot of the students have behaviour problems and don't tend to respect 'teachers', but in a sense I am more of a 'teaching assistant'. I am on the night shift at the moment so I'm responsible for their night activities at the moment so it is a bit more like brownies or girl guides, but in a few days I'm more a an assistant as I am working in the classroom.

Regardless of whether I am by job title or not, I have to follow the same child protection policy and those are the rules. If I don't follow the rules I should expect to be investigated. So I think I'll stick to them as I quite like this job!

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bloody hell how did you manage to secure your CRB so damn quick?

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Sent it off weeks ago. Why do you ask? CRB's take between 3 weeks to 6 months dependant on lots of different factors. Can't remember how long ago I applied for mine... it only took a few weeks to come back though.

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thats exactly why i was asking, one of my sisters applied for hers about 3 months ago and it hasnt come back yet, it isnt cheap either

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Got mine paid for me, so I wouldn't know how much it costs. I'm not sure what type of factors slow them down, I think incorrectly filled in forms are the biggest slow down. Thankfully all the student ambassadors got their CRB's back within a similar amount of time and we've all been able to work.

I love it and even though I have girls in my group who has behaviour issues at school, they're following all the rules I have set so I am well pleased. I had them playing charades and 'who am I' last night lol. My team lost charades by 1 point thanks to my bad acting of 'lemony snicket and the series of unfortunate events' or whatever it's called (how do you act out that?!) and I was Nemo from Finding Nemo in who am I. I made them all disney princesses! Very rewarding job.

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, they're following all the rules I have set so I am well pleased.


now doesnt that kind of contradict what you where saying about the school? its ok for kids to follow your rules blazey but they shouldnt be following school rules?

you dont half talk some sh!t at times you know, one rule for you and another for other people?

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Of course it would. I just don't agree with teachers 'man-hunting' pupils and haranguing them in public, as they have no right to do so.

Simple typo yerself. Of course I meant pupils'.
How's the hawkeye job in rugby league working out? :rolleyes::)

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[quote=flashytart;605179]I told you, I have to follow my own rules and it is nice that the girls follow mine but they certainly didn't have to go to bed earlier than I said, nor did they have to get up on time this morning if they didn't want to. I just told them that if they didn't then there would be consequences. It's all about balances. You are fair with them and give them a bit of room to make decisions, take responsibility and try and understand their way of thinking, they tend to respect your rules more. It's not my problem if the teachers at rhyddings have no respect from their students, or any other school for that matter.

This course is free for them. They get rewarded every evening for following the rules and behaving during the day. They're given 'chances' but if they keep breaking rules they get sent home. They know that, and they like the rewards, so they do what they're asked of.

Did I not say that about the school rules too?

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blazey you are either for rules or against them, if rules are in place then you and everyone else should stick by them, you want your girls to stick by them then so should the school children dont you think?

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I want them too, but I can't make decisions for them. Part of growing up is learning to make your own decisions in life.

Even if they didn't follow the rules, they're all bright girls and they've been working hard. If you have read my blog post about them you will see that they even asked about uni just before bed and stayed chatting to me about that instead of chatting before bed, and I think it's nice that these girls have come willingly on this course during the holidays and are playing by my rules.

Why can I get respect off them but their teachers cant? I'M obviously not the one who has the wrong idea am I? Otherwise I'd have had to stay up all night making sure they didn't go out for cigarettes or going to the lads' blocks and the likes.

I didn't have to enforce my rules, I simply told them that there were consequences if they broke them, and said I play fair if they play fair, that's all I had to tell them.

There are some girls from Rhyddings on this course and I was told they went to bed on time too with no problems. If 19 - 25yr olds (respectively) can get respect out of these 14/15 yr olds, I don't see why a teacher cant. Something makes me think they just aren't trying to understand their students' individual needs and are too busy trying to churn out GCSE's, and it simply doesn't work that way unfortunately.

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but blazey you are a law student are you not? doesnt LAW mean RULES? i'm not trying to get at you, i'm just trying to prove a point, where does the LAW stand on kids not being in school on time? it is ILLEGAL end of...and you cant deny the teacher was right to do what she did, i would expect a teacher to do that with Reece if he ever did anything like that

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Law and rules seem to be there to be broken and teens to it to look macho and anti authoritarian. Yes the teacher was right but its a shame the same vigour is not applied a lunch time when there is more chance of them being late back.

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Flashy, if the teacher laid down the rules correctly at the beginning then the students wouldn't be disrespecting them. They certainly didn't respect her enforcement of the rules did they?

What I am saying is, you can't just be firm when you are lawing down the law, it has to be fair as well, and this goes for any type of law, be it in school, employment or the general law itself. If laws are unfair, we rebel and it leads to revolution.

There comes a time in life when you are expected to make your own decisions. It hasn't hurt me to do so, and I'm putting into practice the lessons I learned from my own rebellion. OK I don't intend on revolutionising the system, because some people do work well by playing strictly by the rules, but some students want flexibility, and lots of those students go on to do just as good things as those who never broke a rule in their life.

The girls in my flat have broken rules at school to some extent, whether its talking in class to being aggressive and disruptive. I have girls from two schools and their norms at schools are different to each others. Here I have laid down one rule, and that is to accept what we ask of them or face consequences. That's all I have said to them. They need to ACHIEVE here, that's all they need to do. They're told what they need to do to achieve that, such as turning up on time in the right place with all their things and listening to the student ambassadors. They're told that if they don't, they will either be asked to leave in the most extreme circumstances or they will simply be letting themselves down and wasting part of their summer.

I am not 14 anymore, I am not saying I still break the rules, though I do break some still. I'd like to think they are decent enough human beings to respect me as their equal and they should expect that back from me. If I couldn't respect them I wouldn't have taken the job.

That's my last word on the matter because I have to go tend to some things, but my methods work for me, and the teacher's methods haven't worked for her, so I think if anyone should be questioning their ways of doing things it's her, not me.

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Looks to me like you have already answered this question;

Which part of the 'normal' school environment allows teachers to reward the kids every night for good behaviour ?

From what you have described you are working as a care assistant on a course for delinquents. As you have already stated these kids have already crossed the line for behavioural problems and they have been sent away for a few weeks. No wonder they stick to the rules, they misbehaved in the first place and what do they get ?a nice holiday wth treats. How the hell is a nornal school supposed to install discipline in them if they see the rewards for bad behaviour. In fact how do many parents compete with that ? Neither are in a position to 'reward' the kids in their charge every night.

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This is one of those things that makes my blood boil. My kids attend school regularly and are not late for which they get a little certificate at the end of term.

Other kids are persistently late or 'bunk off' but if they change their ways they are rewarded!

So much for good behaviour. It pays to behave badly and then change your ways and collect your reward. :mad:

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All that has done is enforce among kids that bad is good and good is bad. Latter in life they will join those who on release from prison try their damnedest to get back in to a comfy easy life.

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If you really knew a bit of English grammar you would know that the apostrophe is in the correct place if the writer intended it to convey the singular pupil. If the intention were to convey the plural of pupil, as in pupils, then the apostrophe would be after the s.

Your response seems to indicate that you understood the statement to refer to one pupil because you asked, “Which pupil are you blaming?” Had you asked, “Which pupils are you blaming?” then your nit picking would have been justified. As it is you are left with egg on your face.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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It would appear that you do not know the meaning of “sticking your oar in.”

It means, “to involve yourself in a discussion or a situation when other people do not want you to.”

If you read your last sentence again maybe you would see what a fool you have made of yourself by admitting that you will form an opinion on a subject that you know nothing about.

I honestly can’t see you meaning that.

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JB how many times do you need to go 'off topic' in ONE thread?

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Of course you never go off topic do you?

Well read back a pace and you will see that the majority of the posts are way off topic, yours included.

Now is there anything else that you want to take me to task for?

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How many times does he need to elongate a thread by 30 pages of repetative waffle.

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Every thread would be exceedingly short if only the original poster were allowed to post because everybody else was 'sticking their oar' in.

Everyone is entitled to post in every thread - that's the whole point of a forum like this!

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Yes, Gayle, did request the Mods that they lock it as thought we were just on a Merry-go-Round to nowhere... but they refused as were reluctant to close threads. Thought about this, and can understand it ... would be annoying for people who wanted to express a further opinion and give the Mods. too much power and judgement along with criticism from members, and one big headache, which takes up time. Obviously, they lock if getting entirely out of hand.

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Sorry, I didn't make this ENTIRELY clear. They aren't all badly behaved children, just some of them are, some have diagnosed learning difficulties and some are extremely bright. All are from poor areas.

They're experiencing what life is like at uni, in other words this course is hard work. They're studying more here than they do at school and at a much more intense level, but at night they are taken on social activities because that is what we do at uni. Hard work then play.

All schools have the opportunity to sign up for these summer schools, they just need to contact the uni and show their interest. Nothing is stopping anyones children from coming on them. Most are predicted A's at GCSE and know how to behave, so aren't 'delinquents' at all.

The point of this is that everyone gets to see the rewards of uni. Some of the more troublesome kids have now seen what university life is like and realise that they should go back home and work hard if they want to experience this full time, and those that already know about university can now see how important it is to work hard.

Some people don't know they have opportunities to go to uni, they don't have parents like you guys who are encouraging and supportive, and it's EXTREMELY selfish to complain about these kids getting an opportunity whether they're bad at school or not. No wonder so many kids are so angry with society when it treats them like they're not worth the time of day.

Willow, your girls will do well and go to uni because you encourage them to do so. Some children don't get that, and so we are now giving them a few days of that so that they have a bit of an idea of what it's like and what they need to do. I think those of you that begrudge them of this should have a long hard think about what I've said. If you can't see the point of it then that is awful.

Screw charity and helping the needy, lets just be greedy.

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sorry but thats crap, well mannered/behaved kids can be needy n deprived, n i have nothing against them being helped along, what i do object too is the tearaways getting freebies, thats not selfish its justice.

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Yeah it really winds me up when schools offer incentives,cash and mobiles etc.. to get truants into school.
Why should they get rewards just for turning up which they are meant to do anyway.
It must really pee off the pupils that do turn up and don't whack school because they don't get rewards for it.
Its almost encouraging bad behaviour,bunk off school and get fifty pounds!
Ridiculous.

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Even my eight year old daughter has noticed the injustice of reward schemes. She pointed out that the naughty boys in the class get rewarded if they are good for one lesson whereas she is good for every lesson and doesn't get rewarded for it.

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Did you not listen cashy, there are straight A students on the course who ARE well behaved. It's just students from underprivileged areas.

Rhyddings students were here, and there is a course tomorrow for a few days of entirely lancashire students. It's a mix of students depending on who the schools chose to send on the courses. Lancaster doesn't pick, it just offers the service.

Unfortunately high schools don't seem to believe in equal opportunities, and primary schools are beginning to act similarly towards different types of students. Lancaster hasn't discriminated against anyone on this course, every one was treated exactly the same, followed the same rules and therefore they acted the same.

Schools however do things differently, and that's not a problem the university can fix unfortunately. There were allsorts of students on this course though. The only thing that they all had in common really was that they all had the ability to achieve great things at uni if guided properly.

This course isn't called Motiv8 for nothing. The other course is called Inspire, and the others have similar names too. I don't understand how people can't see the benefits to these kids but I guess you'd have to be here or have your own kids on it to see it.

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Without wishing to be rude Blazey, how is this relevant to the original discussion?

In fact,the only thing that you're doing in these last few posts is actually arguing against your own previous arguments.

You say rules don't matter then you ask people to follow yours.

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Make your mind up, originally you said;
Are they A grade students or are they disruptive students with no respect for teachers ? I find it hard to beleive they can be both.

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is remedial spelling being taught as part of the syllabus :confused: :confused:

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Why, you interested in sining up;)

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Sounds like a cuck up to me :p

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Sining?:confused:

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It applies because what I am saying is that even the worst children at school can give respect to people outside of school even when the concept is the exact same thing, therefore teachers must be going wrong somewhere in their methods if they are failing to control children.

I was disruptive to the point of being treated just like the 'remedials' in school and I am doing pretty well for myself, so I don't really see why you can't be both.
At Uni they actually say that there are a lot of students like me who act up in school but end up doing really well, and it's generally down to not being mentally stimulated enough in the lessons or some sort of negativity coming from the teachers.

Everyone deserves a chance to be listened to and have their questions answered, and most important be informed of the opportunities they might have. Why should they aim for something they know absolutely nothing about?

And how can anybody talk about remedial spelling when we all constantly combine grammatical symbols to create 'smileys' on forums :rolleyes:

By the way, norden, moorhead, rhyddings and another local high school that doesn't quite come to mind right now are on this next course, so I'm guessing your children simply weren't picked for this opportunity if they are at any of these schools, and this summer school IS for the brighter children from the impression i've got of the itinerary so far.

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Does anyone except blazey,not understand what i am saying?:confused: i have listened n was responding to yer comments, that someone else has posted, cos to be honest i just cant be arsed.:rolleyes:

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That should be "sinning";)

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According to your previous posts further up the thread you claim to have masterd the art of the 'students' gaining respect and not being a problem in your classes. Maybe you can tell us the secret ?

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Yes, it is for the brighter children, and just to ring fence them to make sure they do carry on with their undoubtable academic ability after school. Can't see that you would have any problem with anti-social behaviour with these students at all to be honest.

http://www.lancs.ac.uk/depts/conted/parents.htm

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Looked clear to me.

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Seems clear to me ... not much room for misinterpretation here;)

Except for the "can't be arsed" bit ... I wish you limeys would learn how to speak your own language:D:D:D

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Interestingly the Code of Conduct for these Summer Schools includes:

# You must remain within your allocated group during the day
# You must attend all time-tabled activities
# You must not leave the University campus at any time unless as part of an official Summer School trip
# You will be in your resident blocks by 11.00pm each night.

Now I wonder what would happen if they did not attend the time-tabled activities, left the campus (maybe to go to a butty shop?) or were not in their resident blocks by 11pm? Would they be left to wander where they want?

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One would assume, that if there are rules, there must be consequencies for breaking them.

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i think i finally sussed it! Blazey n Cyfr are in the same everythings perfect,Land Of Make Believe n we aint living in the real world.:rolleyes:

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You still haven't explained "can't be arsed":confused::confused::confused:

And I thought that the real world is for people who can't handle drugs:rolleyes:

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Really Eric...you should get a Lancashire dictionary.
Can't be bothered ;)

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Can't be bothered - Don't give a monkeys.:alright:

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Ah now I get it .... can't be arsed = don't give a flying ....:alright: