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andrewb 11-07-2008 11:49
Re: David Davis wins by-election
 
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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 605226)
I and many others on here have more important things to worry about, lets be honest it is not going to affect us adversely if a suspected terrorist is held for longer!!! What the people elected to represent us should be doing is trying to stem the ever increasing cost of basic every day things before we find it impossible to live to any sort of decent standard. They should not be forcing by-elections that cost money that just isn't there!!! If he was so dissillusioned why did he not just quit politics altogether???
His campaign aimed to scrap things that would save us BILLIONS. It won't affect you adversely until you or a family member is locked up for 1000 hours and life wrecked if they are innocent.

Quote:
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

BERNADETTE 11-07-2008 11:58
Re: David Davis wins by-election
 
Might be better off looking at ways of cutting the cost of things that affect us on a day to day basis. Fuel is rising which is pushing the cost of more or less every other commodity through the roof!!!!

andrewb 11-07-2008 12:11
Re: David Davis wins by-election
 
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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 605230)
Might be better off looking at ways of cutting the cost of things that affect us on a day to day basis. Fuel is rising which is pushing the cost of more or less every other commodity through the roof!!!!
Indeed! Brown should stop wasting money on invading our privacy and civil liberties, instead he should reduce the huge amount of tax they're making on petrol which is really hurting people.

Wynonie Harris 11-07-2008 12:28
Re: David Davis wins by-election
 
Cyfr, as I'm sure you know, the poem you quoted was written about the Nazis incarcerating people in the death camps because of their beliefs. Hardly comparable with a law which will require suspected terrorists to spend an extra 14 days in a British prison.

I have a very low opinion of this present government, but even I wouldn't compare them to the Nazis in pre-war Germany!

mthead 11-07-2008 12:29
Re: David Davis wins by-election
 
In my opinion David Davis stood up for something he believed in(which I thought thats part of being in politics)wether I agree with his motive or not is of no concern.And as for as it being called a sham its not his fault the Labour Party decided not to field a candidate,so cant understand the wingeing.And for the record I would have said the same if it had been a Labour MP that had done it and the Tories had refused to field a candidate.I thought the job of being an MP involved standing up for what you and your voters believe in.Well thats just my view on the situation.

BERNADETTE 11-07-2008 12:35
Re: David Davis wins by-election
 
Was there any real need to resign??? He could just as easily let his views be known and not have forced a by-election at such a great cost.

Wynonie Harris 11-07-2008 12:45
Re: David Davis wins by-election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mthead (Post 605238)
In my opinion David Davis stood up for something he believed in(which I thought thats part of being in politics)wether I agree with his motive or not is of no concern.And as for as it being called a sham its not his fault the Labour Party decided not to field a candidate,so cant understand the wingeing.And for the record I would have said the same if it had been a Labour MP that had done it and the Tories had refused to field a candidate.I thought the job of being an MP involved standing up for what you and your voters believe in.Well thats just my view on the situation.

He stood up for what he believed in when he voted against the 42-day rule in Parliament. Imagine what would happen if every MP stood down everytime something was passed through Parliament that they didn't agree with, thus forcing a bye-election? And it's a sham because there was absolutely no need for it and it has changed nothing.

mthead 11-07-2008 12:54
Re: David Davis wins by-election
 
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 605241)
He stood up for what he believed in when he voted against the 42-day rule in Parliament. Imagine what would happen if every MP stood down everytime something was passed through Parliament that they didn't agree with, thus forcing a bye-election? And it's a sham because there was absolutely no need for it and it has changed nothing.
Yes I understand but in this instance it wasnt just 'The Rule' was it ? But the way it was passed.With all the alleged wheelings and dealings.There was more to it and I think he felt something wasnt right so he did what he did because of his feelings and what he believed in,and still got voted in.Like I said wasn't his fault there was no proper opposition to come up against,that 's all down to the labour party and like I said if it had been roles reversed I would have had the same views.

Wynonie Harris 11-07-2008 13:06
Re: David Davis wins by-election
 
Deals and trade-offs to get bills through are a fact of life in Parliament - on all sides. Also, as I understand it, Davis had stated his intentions to stand down if the bill went through, beforehand, so it wasn't a protest about the way it was passed.

Once again, I would say, there was absolutely no need for this farcical bye-election and it has changed absolutely nothing - apart from landing us, the taxpayers, with a needless bill.

cashman 11-07-2008 13:08
Re: David Davis wins by-election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 605237)
Cyfr, as I'm sure you know, the poem you quoted was written about the Nazis incarcerating people in the death camps because of their beliefs. Hardly comparable with a law which will require suspected terrorists to spend an extra 14 days in a British prison.

I have a very low opinion of this present government, but even I wouldn't compare them to the Nazis in pre-war Germany!
but then you can see both sides of the coin, never met ya n ya were wearing blinkers.;) i aint even gonna discuss this with him.:rolleyes:

SPUGGIE J 11-07-2008 15:59
Re: David Davis wins by-election
 
Davis had an ego boost with this!!!! Nowt has change and all he did was show he and his blue pals are twallies.

BERNADETTE 11-07-2008 21:47
Re: David Davis wins by-election
 
[quote andrewb] It won't affect you adversely until you or a family member is locked up for 1000 hours and life wrecked if they are innocent.[/quote] Am pretty sure that it won't adversely effect me at all then!!!

andrewb 11-07-2008 22:06
Re: David Davis wins by-election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 605465)
[quote andrewb] It won't affect you adversely until you or a family member is locked up for 1000 hours and life wrecked if they are innocent.
Am pretty sure that it won't adversely effect me at all then!!![/quote]

Half the people locked up without charge are innocent, so.. it could well be you, me, or any other innocent. Personally I dont think thats right.

katex 11-07-2008 22:07
Re: David Davis wins by-election
 
Did they ever decide who came second Andrew ? (were doing a recount last time I heard) .. out of the 25/26 other unknowns. :D

andrewb 11-07-2008 22:23
Re: David Davis wins by-election
 
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 605483)
Did they ever decide who came second Andrew ? (were doing a recount last time I heard) .. out of the 25/26 other unknowns. :D
Greens came second even after the recount, though only around 7% of the vote. :D 23/26 lost their deposit. :p


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