Originally Posted by Eric (Post 605929)

Sorry for the wander on a serious topic, but it is not worth a thread of its own.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 605878)

I used the term we as in the country, because government does things on our behalf.

I think we're left in a mess with rail yes. Until an alternative I like is proposed, I don't support privatisation of the rail network.

As far as energy companies are concerned, prices are rising all over the world, not just in the UK. You have to ask yourself what government can do to help the consumer though, for example with petrol I think government should lower the tax it takes as the price rises, so that the consumer is less hurt by the rises.

Souldnt this be in 'Ask a Tory'? ;) :p

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 605192)

Yo you 2 when are you getting wed? quote]

Not sure when, but I reckon we might be able to set up a few webcams and sort out some live broadcasting for you all.

There are plenty of other people who support the same political party. We aren't going to get married just because we support the Conservative Party. I usually end up with the socialists anyway :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 606057)

It's right in front of your face and you can't see it, can you, Cyfr?

The vast majority of people who have posted on this thread think Davis's gesture was a waste of time and aren't worried about 42 days detention for suspected terrorists. Do you think that the cross-section of humanity we call Accyweb is somehow different from the British public at large?

And why aren't your Conservative colleagues on Accyweb rushing in to support your view? They're all remarkably quiet, aren't they? Could it be that the likes of Jaysay and co are actually in favour of 42 days detention...or perhaps more?

One of these days, Cyfr, you're going to have to come out of your cosy little dreamworld - it's going to be one hell of a shock for you when you do!

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 606079)

57% of the public in a poll support Davis's decision to force a by-election, 32% don't support it and 11% don't care either way. When he resigned 69% of people supported 42 days, 4 weeks later, just 36% support it. I am not in a dream world.

I just care about innocent people being locked up for 1000 hours without knowing why, without being charged, without having any evidence against them, and with the prospect of it increasing in the future, as 42 days was not necessary but it was passed, so why not 52, 62, 82. You're perfectly entitled not to care, but please don't try and suggest that others don't!

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 606079)

57% of the public in a poll support Davis's decision to force a by-election, 32% don't support it and 11% don't care either way. When he resigned 69% of people supported 42 days, 4 weeks later, just 36% support it. I am not in a dream world.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 606099)

Yes, you are in a dream world if you believe dodgy poll statistics. Just step out of your student debating society and into the real world for awhile. Look at the views expressed on here, or even better, go and ask the members in a few Tory clubs how concerned they are about the 42 day rule...I think you'll soon get your answer!

Incidentally, I see that others who have declared themselves to be Conservatives on here are still conspicuously failing to support your views (although Roy has promised to say something on the subject at some point)...funny that.

Oh to be in Cyfrworld now that summer's here! :D

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 606128)

Cyfr, I regard opinion polls with the utmost scepticism (and certainly one run by an organisation called ConservativeHome!). After all, the opinion polls predicted that Labour was going to win in 1992. As for the people you talked to in Davis's constituency, I think they told a naive young lad what he wanted to hear. I live in the ordinary, everyday world and not in the rarified atmosphere of student politics and I know that whether a suspected terrorist is locked up for 28 days or 43 days is way, way down on people's list of priorities at the moment - and that includes most Conservative supporters!

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 606152)

You can quote opinion poll statistics at me all night, Cyfr, they mean zilch to me. I know that in the little slice of the real world that I move in - in the pubs, at work, listening to people talking on the bus, on Accyweb - the vast majority of people are not concerned about suspected terrorists being locked up for 42 days. In fact, many (including many Conservatives) would like to see them locked up for longer! Now, I can hear you saying "but that's hardly a scientific survey" and you're right. But it is an average cross-section of English life and, in my opinion, symptomatic of the mood of the country.

And now I shall be away on my non-student high horse to solicit a few more opinions in the pub...all in the name of political research! :D