Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 647175)

I watched the show, heard the comments and I found them amusing . I also wondered if they would get any complaints about them. A few weeks ago what he said may have passed without too much comment any complaints being swept under the carpet.

Poor judgement to have let the comments go on air IMO…the BBC have learned nowt over the last week it would seem.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 647177)

same here, wonder though if the excuse will be, this happened before we tightened up? its what i would say.:D;)

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 647178)

Prostitute or not these people have families!!!

Originally Posted by derek gas (Post 647202)

By making silly comments like this, Clarkson also detracted attention from the fact that lorry driving can be hard work, car drivers in general have no idea how long it takes to pick up speed in a lorry, or, more importantly, how long it takes to stop one!

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 647212)

Not watched it yet but come on, Top Gear is and has for some time been at the sharp end of humour. JC is reknown for his lack of PC. If you don't want to listen to it don't watch his show. In teh same vein that Roy Chubby Brown has his reputation that you don't go and then winge about him swearing!

it right to joke about it? not sure, I don't find it offensive in the same way that after almost every single disaster there are the round of 'jokes' that are part of how some people deal with things. Yes they are insensitive, yes they are probably 'more' cutting than say 10 years ago in the same way that programs like Silent witness, Wire in the blood etc all show far more gore than they would have even dared 10 years ago. Is it simply that we are more hardened than we were(rightly or wrongly)

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 647212)

Not watched it yet but come on, Top Gear is and has for some time been at the sharp end of humour. JC is reknown for his lack of PC. If you don't want to listen to it don't watch his show. In teh same vein that Roy Chubby Brown has his reputation that you don't go and then winge about him swearing!...

Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 647273)

i hate the people that complain have they nothing better to do in thier lifes than get all worked up and complain over something! stupid

Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 647273)

i like the show and watched it found it funny it the kind of things you expect from clarkson! we have become like americans were there is a blame there is a claim kind of thing like the russell brand story something like 1,000 complaints on the day it went out and than when the daily mail picked up on it and had it front page they had 30,000 complaints, they are all jumping on the band wagon, they had not even listenin or heard what he said and they rang up complain, pointless waste of time people! if you dont like it dont watch it, some people will find it funny others will not! i hate the people that complain have they nothing better to do in thier lifes than get all worked up and complain over something! stupid

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 647291)

There is only one problem with the “if you don’t like it don’t watch it”, brigade.

You don’t find out that you don’t like it until AFTER you have listened to or watched a programme. By then of course it is too late.

However there is nothing wrong in complaining about something even though we haven’t seen or heard the incident. How many people have actually seen a paedophile at work or a burglar or con man? How many people have witnessed the increase in knife crime? Yet we are all up in arms about it.

So the defence of “if you don’t like it don’t watch it” doesn’t wash.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 647293)

Your quite right JB, but the thing is with this idea if you don't like it don't watch is ideal when they're not paying for it, but the BBC belongs to us, its ours because we have to pay whether we like it or not and if you don't pay your name appears in the Observer under TV licence dodgers

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 647300)

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 647300)

I think that MCR ADIM was referring to the programme not the TV license. And I was responding to that point.

As for the TV license – it is a legal requirement to have one to watch TV programmes from any source on any equipment in the UK.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 647304)

Unless one is watching BBC Iplayer or ITV catchup or some other such delayed service.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 647304)

Unless one is watching BBC Iplayer or ITV catchup or some other such delayed service.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 647305)

Or watching it illegally in other European countries.

Where a woman will come round with a little black box, charge you a fiver a month, and there you go, wall to wall Ross, Brand and Norton.

The fiver stays in the woman's pocket, and to the best of my knowledge doesn't go in Jonathan Ross's.:D

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 647310)

There used to be a myth that if you disabled a normal TV from receiving broadcast programmes you could then watch programmes recorded by a neighbour without the need for a license. Years ago people who tried to get round the license this way found out that they couldn’t.

I would suggest that the same applies today with the BBC iPlayer and catchup TV on the box.

The iPlayer thing is viewed via a computer connected to the Internet and computers are covered by the license terms.

I understand that modern mobile phones can now also receive TV programmes and believe it or not they too are covered by the TV license terms. A mobile phone is classed as a portable device with its own battery power supply and is covered by the domestic license (if you have one).

The clue is in the phrase “from any source and on any equipment.”

Originally Posted by http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/about_iplayer/tvlicence

You do not need a television licence to watch programmes on the current version of BBC iPlayer.

Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 647416)

Oh plllllease.
People will be getting offended at Barry Chuckle next. The world's gone mad.

Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 647416)

Oh plllllease.
People will be getting offended at Barry Chuckle next. The world's gone mad.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 647380)

Jambutty as it currently stands if the TV is not live (and I think recording TV for neighbours to watch is a separate copyright issue) but delayed, such as iPlayer then you do not require a tv licence. "from any source and on any equipment." Applies to live streams I suspect.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 647502)

Well it appears that Mr. Clarkson has no regrets nor do the BBC, will be interesting to watch the repeat tonight

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 647762)

I like Jeremy Clarkson....He is a journalist and tells it as he he sees it without trimmings.
We can all upset the minority fo dogooders but the world is for real.

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 647767)

Bet the poor kids of the women murdered find his comments highly amusing as well!!! If these so called witty people need to use other peopes misfortunes as a basis for keeping their shows interesting(to some) maybe it is time to scrap the shows, there was no need for any mention of murdered prostitutes in a programme about lorry driving. Out of order to mention people who have been murdered and an insult to a hell of a lot of lorry drivers out there!!!!

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 647765)

Tis true.

We all find different things funny.

Some people probably thought it amusing, that in another thread, Claytonender made a joke about Spain being annexed to the U.K., yet you got all affronted, and didn't seem to find it funny at all.

Funny old world.:p

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 647767)

Bet the poor kids of the women murdered find his comments highly amusing as well!!! If these so called witty people need to use other peopes misfortunes as a basis for keeping their shows interesting(to some) maybe it is time to scrap the shows, there was no need for any mention of murdered prostitutes in a programme about lorry driving. Out of order to mention people who have been murdered and an insult to a hell of a lot of lorry drivers out there!!!!

Originally Posted by Meccy (Post 649475)

You all should be thankful that in this country we have such people as Jeremy Clarkson who, in the current culture of obsessive political correctness, say exactly what they think. Some might say that his comments were a little tactless. But, If you try hard enough, you can be offended by anything. People say and print offensive things all the time but we all have the choice to disregard them. It is all too easy to break out the flaming torches and to call for a witch-hunt.

We are losing basic freedoms at an astonishing rate in this country. We are even listed by Amnesty International because we do not have the right of free speech. The right to free speech should be an absolute right.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 649508)

All well and good, but as stated earlier Mr. Clarkson had a terrible tantrum when the Daily Mirror published a photograph of Clarkson kissing his female producer.

Piers Morgan probably saw it as a joke, though Clarkson didn't seem to get it, for some reason.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, or at least have a skin thicker than tissue paper, if they do.;)

Originally Posted by Meccy (Post 649519)

Clarkson has a thick skin and can surely take criticism. I have read Morgan's memoires of his days at "The Mirror" and it is plain that a personal grudge against Clarkson was his reason for publishing. Surely not an honourable thing to do when in a position to influence so many.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 649508)

All well and good, but as stated earlier Mr. Clarkson had a terrible tantrum when the Daily Mirror published a photograph of Clarkson kissing his female producer.

Piers Morgan probably saw it as a joke, though Clarkson didn't seem to get it, for some reason.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, or at least have a skin thicker than tissue paper, if they do.;)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 649510)

Think I must agree Rindi, people find things very funny until they are the butt of the jokes then some how it doesn't seem quite as funny, like with anything if you give it you've got to be able to take it.

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 649533)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 649535)

...and yet you've made comic reference to other people's disabilities.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Meccy (Post 649475)

We are losing basic freedoms at an astonishing rate in this country. We are even listed by Amnesty International because we do not have the right of free speech. The right to free speech should be an absolute right.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 649563)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 649572)

'Funnily' enough I really can't be bothered searching right now.

I do remember one time MargaretR chastised you for it though, and she mentioned incontinence in her reply, if that rings any bells for you.

Originally Posted by Meccy (Post 649589)

Gayle,

I have every sympathy for your view on decency but I would ask this question. Where do you draw the line? One mans opinion on what is decent is not necessarily another's.

Freedom of speech should be absolute. You imply that is for political issues. We now have laws in this country that restrict public comments on race and religion. In theory I can be brought before the law if I were to publish a view which, in someone's opinion contravened these laws. Even if I considered myself wholly justified in making that view. Here is the crux of the matter though. The moment we allow others to determine which opinions are legal and which are not we are a short road to tyranny.

Some might have opinions which we find abhorrent. It is the measure of us as an informed democracy how we disregard them.

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 649588)

I dont remember but will look

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 649594)

Welcome to the world of Big Brother and the Thought Police

Originally Posted by Meccy (Post 649595)

A quite predictable, rabble-rousing response there. You went straight for the most extreme case didn't you.

OK then...The act of paedophilia is, quite rightly, a crime which should be punished with the full force of the law, as should any act which supports it.

Should the law prevent people expressing views on it? Right thinking people would disregard these views and any proponents would find themselves ignored. It is after all only debate we are talking about here.

You made your point clear that you regard a society as civilised when it restricts what can and cannot be said. I am sure that you will fit in well in your future job as director of the Ministry of Truth.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 649597)

What Channel is the Thought Police on?

Originally Posted by Meccy (Post 649589)

I have every sympathy for your view on decency but I would ask this question. Where do you draw the line? One mans opinion on what is decent is not necessarily another's.

Freedom of speech should be absolute.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 649572)

'Funnily' enough I really can't be bothered searching right now.

I do remember one time MargaretR chastised you for it though, and she mentioned incontinence in her reply, if that rings any bells for you.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 649591)

Would that freedom of speech also be available to pedophiles, for example?

Stand up child molesters, 'entertaining' others of the ilk?

Happily in most decent civilisations there are limits on what can and can't be said.

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 649611)

I draw the line when someone else's human rights are violated by someone claiming to have the right of freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech and deliberately upsetting people should not be confused yet you don't seem to see any difference.

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 649615)

I’m sure you can’t be bothered because you KNOW you will not find anything.

Strange how you could be bothered to make such an allegation in the first place.

You are nothing more than a manure stirrer.

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 649615)

I’m sure you can’t be bothered because you KNOW you will not find anything.

Strange how you could be bothered to make such an allegation in the first place.

You are nothing more than a manure stirrer.

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 649617)

Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 649620)

Have you heard the one about the Scotsman the Irishman the Englishman and the truck driver -hang on better stop now may offend the Englishman:hehetable

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 649596)

Posts 40 and 42 in this thread.
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...t-39878-3.html

I also see Jambutty wandered off thread in post 31, when he pointlessly posted that I'd said I was a klutz, and he thought it was an admission.

Not an admission, just an illustration that I'm the first to mock myself. Usually because I'm soooooooo much better at it than anyone else.;)

:D

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 649623)

Bearing in mind that 90 years ago a War ended that if we had lost would have had a very different outcome on the world we live in and would have destroyed the concept of free speech.

I find it rather sad that we have FIVE pages of whether Mr Clarkson has or has not upset one or two people. Anyone with half a brain would have laughed this comment off.

I remember that the same person has referred to Land Rover Discovery Drivers as Murderers (Kenneth Noyle) and Range Rover drivers as Drug Dealers and Porsche drivers as having rather small genitals. Mr Clarkson is not PC and will say things that might upset a few, you know this so if offended, don't watch, read or listen to him.

I do believe that there is a great device designed to censor anything you might find offensive, its called the remote control. So is anyone going to change your name to Mary Whitehouse?

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 649627)

What has a thread wander got to do with the issue? Nothing! It’s just a silly attempt to deflect from your inability to find a post of mine taking the Micky out of disabled people.

If quoting the “Power Cut” thread is your attempt to justify your scurrilous allegation, it is so far off the mark as to be pitiful.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 649619)

Do try and keep up.

See post 63.

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 649621)

It did happen - look back to post #63

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 649623)

I find it rather sad that we have FIVE pages of whether Mr Clarkson has or has not upset one or two people. Anyone with half a brain would have laughed this comment off.

Originally Posted by Meccy (Post 649630)

What next Garinda? - Shall we all meet at Oak Hill Park and burn some controversial books? Where shall we start, eh?

The bible - There's pretty strong stuff about smiting in the old testament.

Lady Chatterlies Lover - Yes that's a good one. Let's have none of that filth here!

The Origin of Species - I'm not descended from a monkey!


The Satanic Verses - Burn it.

Come on - let's burn them all -

You just carry on and one day, not too far away we will all be told exactly what to think and the penalties for denying the accepted orthodoxy will be terrible.

How can expressing a well argued opinion violate someone else's human rights?

It only can do that if acted upon by the ill-informed.

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 649634)

Originally Posted by Meccy (Post 649656)

Garinda,

Do you regard your fellow countrymen as of a lesser intelligence than yourself? Are they not able to make up their own minds? For example, we all know that anti-Semitism is abhorrent, as is anti-Islamism and any other kind of anti-ism that you might care to mention.

Look what happened to Mosley - They ran him out of Cable Street because they knew what was right and he was, by and large, discredited. By all means let people preach whatever they want. Right thinking people - by far the majority - will ignore them.

To say that we need laws like these is insulting to the intelligence of the people of this country.

The government already has far too much power. If we don't now say "Enough!", then we condemn ourselves to live in a totalitarian society.

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 649692)

So we curtail a few freedoms, lets segregate some of the more perverted of our society, introduce identity cards and have a DNA database that uses a low count system of comparing DNA samples, put everyone on it, after all you have nothing to lose if you have done nothing wrong.

Then why stop there then, lets take the DNA of these sub human monsters and use the profile to identify similar dna in the general populace, get them before they offend protect, the innocent, once thats done, why stop at perverts, burglars, murderers, any criminal especially those terrible motorists who speed, after all speed kills.

Now we must nationalise all press and media, it is for your own safety and security of course. Control what they say and do.

Have checkpoints to check your papers on every major road and junction, after all this is in ALL your interests.

Before too long we can re-cycle (as in the book Fatherland) the Jews, Africans, Asians, Menatly Ill, Disabled, anyone who does not fit the DNA profile that we have created that is Clean, Decent, Good and not a danger to society.

After all this is in the best interests of YOU all.

Call me a cynic, but Adolf Hitler tried it, Robert Mugarbe tried it, Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, tried it, numerous African states have committed genocide, the same happened in the former state of Yugoslavia. I do not trust any politician free speech is just what it says it is, you try to stop it and you play in to the hands these people.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 649632)

Well MargaretR, and I presume others, saw what you said as a sly dig at Parkinson's Disease.

Perhaps you're really that funny, you don't even see it.;)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 649646)

We know that.

Sometimes you sit in a disabled parking space, whilst your able bodied passenger does your errands.

Goodness, this freedom to say anything, and for it to be funny, is soooooooooo liberating.:D