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There's an unadopted road at the bottom of Monk st last year all the massive pot holes were filled in and at last the road was usable again, unfortunately there is a school on the next street.
The parents calling to drop off and pick up their children found it a blessing instead of all them blocking that street they used the unadopted road to relieve the congestion they caused outside the school, with the surface not being tarmac within 2 months they had worn through the surface and it has potholes again making it unusable for them and also for local residents.

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true its a real mess once more, would have thought it wasn't rocket science to erect bollards across the park road end, to stop em driving through, as the surface was not suitable fer 3 point turns at speed.:rolleyes:

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then to put it simply somone wether it be HBC or LCC shoud sortthese roads out

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getting one of em to take responsibility would be a result.:D

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It's not the Council that's preposing to do this. Its Peel and Barnfield area council that's putting this forward.,

We have tried to get the streets adopted in the past, but it hasn't been possible.

Ossy Area Council could also do something similar, if that's how they decide to spend what money they have.

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they can flip a coin for all i care as long as one of them does somthing seen as they are getting money from people they should either do teh work or refund the peopel on them streets so they can get it done themselves

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Area councils get their money from HBC though, so from taxpayers..

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It says on the deeds to my house that I actually own the stretch of (unadopted) road infront of my house.

Though I have to allow access across it, which I suppose prevents me from digging it up and planting daffodils...or some cheap Bosnian landmines.:D

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well somones getting tehir money and that somone shoud do teh repairs or refund teh portion taken for street repairs

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or as I suggested to a relative when I was a child 'put up barriers and charge people' :D

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so if you choose to you could clamp cars and charge a release fee if they park outside your house ?

make some loot :D

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I just want to see Peel doing well. I'll do what people ask me. These 3 streets are a big subject that produce a lot of requests, particularly Hodder as it accesses Arden Hall. It is becoming so deep rutted it is difficult to drive on it. Kim just told me at the area council meeting I brought this up I mentioned I lived there and said 'so I would prefer not to talk about Hodder St'. I want politics to be a race to the top.

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is that really relevant? what use they put that money too is the thing.;) perhaps TLO could improve the "Ducks n Geese" street with some of that area money.:rolleyes:

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Forget cars.

I'm going on eBay to look for some bear traps, and only let the religious knockers and flyer posters go when their nearest and dearest have paid up.:D

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They do, but it's the area council that decides where the money is spent. That's the whole idea of area council's. Local decision making.

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Got to agree, either sort the roads out or knock the amount that goes to LCC off the bills of people who live on un-adopted roads.

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So what your saying is even if the people of lets say Emma Street think their road deserves the money spending there and the people Park Road think their street is more important the area council has the ultimate decision? But still the people of Emma Street have to pay their council tax, seems to me that anybody can see that road needs doing badly.

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I'm not sure Bernadette whether Emma St and Park St are the same area council. They could be, I'm Just not sure.

In ideal world we would get all the unadopted streets done up . But it's not going happen in the near future. We have to deal the situation that we are confronted with.

It's not for me to tell other area council's how to spend their money. But I don't see why they couldn't do something similar on Emma St and Park St to what we are preposing in Peel Ward.

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I don't know either if Emma Street and Park Road are under the same area council (was just using Park Road as an example could just as easily have said Countess Street) but as you say work on all the un-adopted streets would be nice. At the end of the day it will only be a priority if you are a resident. So is life I suppose

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The money still comes from HBC so I don't agree with it being used for roads. Roads are LCC responsibility. Unadopted roads are the responsibility of the house holder.

It would be like me asking HBC to tarmac my drive :rolleyes:

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Most unadopted roads are not just used by the householders who live there. The top of Hodder St for example has cars going up and down it all day.

I think you will find that unadopted roads in other parts of the borough can also be quite busy with traffic.

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I hear what your saying Bernard, as we both know unadopted roads are a pain in the backside for local councils always have been, always will be, but the fact is that road repairs are the responsibility of LCC. If they are not going to take these roads on board as their total responsibility, they could at least fill in the pot holes from time to time, my main problem is just what use will £2000 be in the scheme of things, it will be status quo within weeks of any work being carried out

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Thing is not LCC's responsiblity Jaysay, are there to maintain .. not new lay particularly .. has to be in a decent enough state to start with for them to adopt it.

Other taxpayers may complain as per this article from Burnley :-

Council 'wasting' £26,000 repairing unadopted Burnley road (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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No one's come forward with a pot of money to tarmac our unadopted road to the cricket club but I am not gonna bleat about it, at least 3 roads will be more usable, I think that is progress of sorts since some of these unadopted road battles have been going on for over 30 years.:D

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The only point I would query with Cllr Jones is that has he explained the position to the other residents in Hodder Street and to try and get them to contribute to improvement ?

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Is it listed as an unadopted road Lindsay ? as doesn't really go anywhere but the Cricket Club (so not of great importance to movement of traffic) .. does it belong to the Club then ?

Hasn't even got a street name has it ?

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Does smack of a private road Lindsay .. in which case, haven't got a cat in hell's chance to get funding from HBC. Only my assumption of course.

Would probably have to raise the funding yourselves, or apply for a grant from HBC who do contribute to Accy Stanley ! (my council tax) .. so why not the Cricket Club (maybe they do though, don't know ? ).

Think the cricket club is just as important, have produced some great cricketers.

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Not sure Kate, it's an extension of Thorneyholme Road I suppose, the land on either side is County Council owned, but enough traffic uses it and the Lions Bonfire down there is always a draw, albeit a bit treacherous with the potholes and no lighting! :rolleyes: Just adds to the atmosphere!

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Not moving traffic though, only private traffic if you understand me. Not an extension of Thorneyholme Road at all, this turns at the top of 'the path'.

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[QUOTE=katex;701813]The only point I would query with Cllr Jones is that has he explained the position to the other residents in Hodder Street and to try and get them to contribute to improvement ?[/QUOTE

Kate. The council has tried this in the past not Hodder St, but it's a completely different ball game when you start asking residents for a contribution.

Everybody has to agree to make a contribution to the scheme. Although we got about 50% agreeing, it wasn't enough.

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[quote=Robert Owen;701912]Understand this ... has to be 100%. Just asking if you had asked.

Would possibly complain as a tax payer that money is going to this project, unless it can be proved that these roads are causing problems, e.g. health and safety through drainage, heavy traffic necessary to get from A > B, deterioration of properties, etc.

Hodder Street and Manor Street may have a case ... Annie Street .. no, of no use to other constituents at all, not even wide enough for cars to pass, as you well know being brought up parallel to it ... as myself ... :D

It's sorta' sad really, that when people buy houses on these roads, they do not appear to have been made fully aware of what an unadopted road entails.

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I think there'd be a riot if they tried to adopt our road.

It's in a better state of repair than nearby adopted streets.:D

Can't afford a trip to Blackpool?

Drive towards the Bargain Booze carpark, coming off Union Road.

Plenty of thrills and spills to be had.:D

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i find that difficult to get me head around, having bought 8 houses in me time,the solicitor goes through all the bumf meticulously in my case anyway, bought a bungalow early 90s he took great pains to tell me i could not keep pigs, hens, indeed any livestock in me garden.:D so i said thats it i don't want it, was only kidding but worth it to see his n me wifes faces.:D

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First off, this project is one of dozens throughout Peel. A job that needs doing by someone who cares about the area and all the residents on every street.

They have been told all the way that I will raise the issue as requested but when 'push comes to shove' and we have costings I won't vote. That's more like a personal interest. They are saying it is prejudicial. Every public / private meeting I say the same thing. I live on Hodder Street.

People have had months to raise this issue and no-one has EXCEPT 2 Tories including Paul Barton who is standing against myself on the 4 June in the County Council Elections. Not only that but Cllrs Barton, Dobson, and Bernard (Dawson) voted FOR the improvements at the time and said nothing to Bernard or myself.

This is simply myself and Bernard working hard for all of Peel. See pic. See letter to residents below.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3407/...df8acdaa_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3538/...abf94e89_o.jpg

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That was confusing me as I always thought Graham lived on Cedar Street and not Hodder Street. The name stuck in my head as i used to work with a bloke from Cedar Street. When you look on HBC website it still says he does. You would think they would update the website when a Councillor moves.

Maybe time for whoever is responsible for the HBC website to check all the Councillors addresses as I think there is another one that is out of date as well.

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You're not the only one Neil. :) I also thought he lived on Cedar street.

Do you own both Graham? When this all started, forgive me I don't know the dates, were you living on Cedar Street, Hodder street or did you move in between? Did you own the house on Hodder Street even if you weren't living there?

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To my mind it does'nt matter if he lived in Timbucktoo. He declared his interest in Hodder Street.

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That's strange Neil, with councillor Jones always telling use when things are wrong with council Web Sites, one would have thought he would have picked up on this and had it made right immediately:confused:

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It also says Cedar street on Greg Pope's website.

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Still not be amended then, Cllr Jones did mention this fact in one of our threads as :-

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...-st-36235.html

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I agree, as long as he declared the interest initially.

Councillors declaring an interest in whatever they are doing is an essential part of how local/national government works. Without these rules in place we would open the flood gates for all sorts of unsavoury actions. I am not saying Graham did anything intentionally wrong by the way. From comments on here it looks as though he did declare an interest. The debate appears to be when he did.

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It appears with a lot of posts in this thread that the rule of declaring an interest, is nothing to worry about, but it is, as I think all the elected representatives on here will testify to, this rule is there for a very good reason and shouldn't be taken lightly

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Maybe he has two homes, well seems the trait with Labour politicians at the moment:rolleyes::D

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Next you will be saying he claims expenses for soft porn films - not that there is anything wrong with porn :D:D

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now thats what i call, treading on thin ice.:D:D:D:D

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Some of use prefer to skate cashy:D

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Well there is this good one called Deb!!!! oh better not go there:D

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The thing is though, surely, that Cllr Jones lives in the ward that he represents. That's one of the reasons that people become councillors - to represent their neighbours and the area that they live in. It's his job to bring issues in the area that he lives in to the fore. If he wasn't flagging up issues on his street or in his area then he wouldn't be doing his job.

Whilst declaring an interest is one thing, I do think it's turning into a situation where it's a bit unfortunate for neighbours if a Councillor moves into your street - it means that no one wants to do anything for it any more. The Councillor who's moved in won't be able to do anything because they have to declare an interest and back off - and the opposition won't do anything because it will benefit an opposition Councillor.

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No Gayle you've got that wrong, it could be said that by taking part in this debate he could be gaining a personal advantage if he owns the house on that street, road improvements could have an effect on the house price. Its also there to stop councillors gaining an unfair advantage. I honestly can't see councillor Jones being so stupid as the break the rules, but as they say there's no smoke without fire:rolleyes:

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that to me is twisting to yer own advantage, in my eyes, his letter clearly said as he lives on hodder st, he would be taking no further part in discussions, yet yer implications are otherwise, why does this not surprise me.:rolleyes:

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Its not the letter that is important. It should have been declared at the Council meeting when the subject was first brought up.


I agree with you Gayle that it is a problem for Councillors when improvements need to be made in their own street/ward. Look at the stick PB gets for improvements in his ward and Ossy in general.

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Peter doesn't live in his ward, though I take your point.

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Which council meeting are you referring too. Where you at the meeting?

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Gayle. The only thing that Graham is guilty of is trying to represent the people of Peel Ward.

Graham declared an interest right from the start. He took no part in the decision to go ahead with the scheme. He took no part in any of the meetings to discuss the progress of the scheme.

The decision to spend the money on resurfacing Hodder St was taken by Councillors Paul Barton, Tony Dobson and myself.

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Absolutely, I agree with you. I think that it's his job to represent his ward, that's why he was elected.

And yes, people do have a go at PB for getting stuff done in his ward and that's wrong as well.

I want my ward councillor to do their absolute best for the ward that I live in. I don't want to be discriminated against if a ward councillor moves onto my street.

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so if Graham Jones took no part in the decision making on this issue, and declared an interest from the start.......why are these two councillors now making the complaint......especially as the complaint was registered after the event and nothing was said at the time?
It sounds to me like points scoring, and it does nothing for the integrity and the credibility of the councillors involved.

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Think that about sums it up Margaret, it's all point scoring, due to forthcoming elections by the sound of it!

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Pathetic utterly pathetic, the potholes only appeared after fatboy Dobson decided to have a snoop up Grahams Jones street, maybe he thought he might find something interesting in his bin.

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sums up very nicely the tory way of doing things.:(

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I hope you mean the local tory's......hell of a difference.
I think we have all had a lesson on how local politics operates and the squabbles and bickering of the 'I am better than thou' brigade from both sides......This thread is nothing more than 'Babyhouse'....I blaim the two Tory councillors for this rubbish and I hope it is taken into consideration at the upcoming elections......I do not have to toe the party line for any party and still have a vote, even though I live in Spain, but, taking in the context of this thread, I will sit back and reserve judgement as to who I would choose to represent me and in the absence of a Tory reply, I would lean towards Graham Jones.

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Royboy has just pionted out he can vote in any UK general election..and fair enough.. but I how does this work...does Roy's vote count in electing the MP for Hyndburn?.. if so then why does it?.... I don't live in Hyndburn and niether does Roy.. but I can't vote in Hyndburn elections...he can!

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Read my post again Mancie when sober....I said my preference would be Graham Jones in a local election not that I am in position to vote for him.
I am in a position however to vote for Janet Anderson and in the current situation, nothing on this earth would persuade me to vote in that direction.....I would sooner sit in a corner and watch paint dry. ;)

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I've read it already ..I'm not talking about local elections but please enlighten me..you can vote in a General Election for the MP for Hyndburn?...

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No...............................but my daughter and her partner can. :)

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Ok Roy..but I'm confused...
Under current electoral law, any British citizen who is over 18 years of age living overseas and has been on a UK electoral register within the past 15 years can register to vote in UK Parliamentary and European elections.
I was only asking because I was trying to work out how this works..if I left a bourough 15 years ago I would not be allowed to vote in that bourough..so why should someone living abroad be allowed?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/exp...ice-heard.html

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I'm surprised Andrewb..the new upcoming Billy hague has not informed all the ex-pat Tories with this...Make your voice heard - Telegraph

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Anybody living abroad is entitled to a vote at a general election, or the used to be able to in the days when I was active. They are allowed to vote for whom they want Tory, Labour, Lib/dem, or MRLP, that vote entitlement is at their last UK registered address. This is in much the same way as other people from other countries vote at their elections back home, Yanks Aussies etc.

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Not doubt living in London Mancie you will be registered to vote where you live, there are people who have two UK addresses, no doubt Greg is one, but you can only use one vote at general elections. If you pay council tax at both properties you used to be able to vote in both elections at local council level, but as I say electoral law changes all the time and not having been active since 2001 I don't know what the position is. I only know the election law is a mine field, and holds server punishment for those found deliberately breaking these laws.

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Just wondered what heading this £2,000 budget has Robert ? Is it specifically for helping residents on unadopted roads ? Know not much though in the grand scheme of things.

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...and?

Did you ask if TheLeadersOffice HBC is Councillor Britcliffe, or is being used by someone else to issue statements on his behalf?

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Sorry, I forgot to reply.

I did ask Councillor Britcliffe if the posts from the Leaders Office came from his own fair hands tippy tapping on the keyboard and he said that yes - they are from him personally.

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Well, then he should write them like they are from him then....and not dictated to some secretary to pass on to us.......does he realise how daft that makes him look?
Stupid question really as the answer is in what he has already posted.

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Ok, thanks for that.

Though it's still a little odd the post in this thread issued a statement on behalf of Cllr. Britcliffe. Saying he 'has issued the following statement...', and going on to use quotation marks for what he said.

It reminds me of when Mrs. Thatcher said 'we have becaome a grandmother'.

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To be honest I just want to make Peel better, and the Borough should we be given a chance. All this back stabbing and points scoring just drags myself/labour into it.

Annie Street and the others, are jobs that need doing for a small amount of £. And all the other countless jobs in Peel, that's what I want to concentrate on.

The Tories can't stop themselves and sometimes I am guilty of responding which always ends up at their level.

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When we vote in the local elections, we all hope that our choice of councillor will benefit the local community and of course the local environment.
When someone like Graham, who works tirelessly for his ward and is shot down, despite appearing by all reports from people who were at the actual meeting and confirm the veracity of his statments of events, then we can only assume that it is a point scoring/mud slinging exercise.
shame on them.

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Its Area Council funding Kate. Each area council has set amount of capital funding to spend on projects in Barnfield and Peel

Peel and Barnfield area council decided to spend some of the funding on Hodder St, Annie St, and Manor St.

P.S Wish people would stop calling me Robert. I have tried to change it, but I haven't been too successful yet

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Ask one of the mods to be allowed to change your name.......Andrew was online, he should be able to help you.
Apologies for the thread wander.

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I've always called you Bernard, Robert:D

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Let's just clear this up as a sequence of events
1. Residents continually request in numbers for unadopted streets to be done up
2. HBC and LCC won't budget for it (there's too many).
3. The Area Council has a small budget
4. 12-18 months ago the issue was raised at Area Council and a) I did not declare a personal interest at the beginning because it was not on the agenda b) I spoke to it referring to Annie and Manor saying I was in favour of unadopted streets seeing some improvements but it was difficult for me to talk about Hodder Street because I lived there.
5. It came up several times and I did not declare a personal interest at the beginning but repeated in public to the meeting, It is difficult for me to talk about Hodder Street because I live there. Then went on to talk about unadopted roads in Peel, the volume of complaints.
6. Bernard put forward the idea of works with me (Annie Street & Manor Street) - this is where it get's silly because you can't separate them easily in a discussion. I agreed that the unadopted roads needed some small works but again "it is difficult because I live on 1 of the 3 - I agreed in principle that works should be done on adopted roads". I think this is ridiculous because how do you separate the 3 in a full on public debate that's whirling around other than "I live on Hoddder street and I can't talk about that one in particular"? My partner has attended a couple, teh one's Barton and Dobson refer to and she say's I did say clearly to everyone there. "I live on Hodder Street so it is difficult for me to talk about Hodder".
7. Under the rules, personal interest does not apply when it it is only part of a bigger decision.
8. At the public meetings I continued to say, "It is difficult to talk about because I live on Hodder Street.
9. The Area Council's are no longer part of the Council technically we were told, they are advisory bodies (Therefore able to discuss all matters regardless - like in the pub). This was because as part of the Council the Chairs could speak at Full Council and seeing as Labour areas had Labour Chairs, Councillor Britcliffe wanted that stopped and they were downgraded as I was told.
10. When the officer responsible went out to get quotes and agreement papers were drafted, I stepped totally outside of the voting and decision making
11. At every one of the last 10 points, Cllrs Dobson and Barton were present, agreed with the scheme, approved it with a show of hands and said nothing to me or anyone else.
12. I put by name forward for County Council and a restrospective allegation appears dating back to something over 12 months ago.

The top and bottom I did a play a role. I did say every time where I lived. I never said Hodder should be done up, no one then, public or council official or Tory thought anything of it at the time to complain. No-one in Peel does now. There is a fine line but where ever that line is I have been totally honest. It is like saying I can't report the street light that is broken outside my house.

Finally - I do a lot in Peel. Unadopted roads are a small element of the work right across Peel. The Tory narrative was slanted to 'only does things for himself' when the opposite is true. I put myself last. That is just disgusting sleeze but its standard under the current Leader.

This is about The County Council Elections - putting my name forward/Labour Leadership, let's throw mud and believe this has come from the top. To give credit to Cllr Paul Barton, this is not his sort of thing I am surprised, but it seems he's been sucked in from above because he is standing in June to.

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Like I said Graham, as long as you did everything right there is nothing to answer. You know how it works, someone puts in a complaint, it is acted on and a result comes from it. From what you said I am sure the result will be in your favour.

I still do not agree with Area Councils bodging up unadopted roads. They should be done properly by LCC and adopted. Even if they repaired and adopted one a year in Hyndburn or even one every other year at least they would get sorted.

What is the cost to bring each of these roads up to standard so they are adopted by LCC?

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Have you pm'd mick or andrewb about changing it?

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I can't actually find anywhere in the Area Council minutes where Graham has declared an interest over this, I can only find where he's declared an interest on other issues. Perhaps I'm missing it, could you point us in the right direction Graham?

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you actually took the time to read all the minutes from council meetings ?

iv got a lawn that needs mowing if your that stuck for somthing to do lol

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I've just painted a wall he can watch! :D

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If you need someone to watch the paint dry, I work for beer:D

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There is nothing wrong with reading meeting minutes, one reason for them is so people who could not attend can see what is going on.

Maybe bad minute taking then

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It's called a sense of humour Neil, ...following Accyman's post. :rolleyes:

And I do know what minutes are for...:)

Though one does wonder if Andrew always reads all the minutes from every meeting....

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It was never an agenda item Andrew so why would I declare an interest until the item came up? Even when it did under budgets why would I get up and leave a local forum meeting. That's just petty. Saying 'I live in Hodder Street so I can't comment' is declaring an interest. Area Council minutes are summarised, not an absolute true record because we have had the issue of things being left out previously.

The fact remains, no-one said anything at the time because everything was above board so far as the public were concerned. Ditto Councillors who also did not make any comments at the time, or lodge a complaint when it happened. I think if there was a technical breach in their mind, they should have said it then and not now and perhaps given how transparent it all was, not lodged an official complaint.

Pathetic really and I hope you'll support me in stamping this sillyness out of local politics.

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Why not just stamp politics out of local government:confused: Seems like a helluva lot of folks are wasting too much time grinding axes instead of looking at ways to improve your community ... none of this is really any of my business, but I do find it fascinating in a Swiftian way. So which end of the boiled egg do you guys think should be attacked with the spoon:rolleyes:

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One can't expect you to declare an interest if it's not on the agenda and somebody else brings it up, until they do bring it up, at which point you can. However you'd think that when you yourself bring the topic up under your Peel Ward Report, you would have previously declared an interest, it's not as if you didn't know it was coming up when you planned to speak on it.

I don't think you can use the 'minutes not being written up properly' as an excuse, you have to vote on the minutes being correct at the next meeting, or are you saying you don't read the minutes?

Did you or did you not declare an interest when it was on the budget agenda, in the way that you have declared an interest at the beginning of the meeting in the past, for example over the Neighbourhood Management Teams? In that instance you were aware interests have to be declared. I'm just trying to get the fact's clear here.

It would seem to be that you don't think you should have had to declare an interest officially and initially, in which case it would be easier to just say so, rather than saying you did declare an interest?

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Andrew.....I think you focus your attention to national politics....you could well be cast out on a boat to sea on this one...If the subject and it's implications goes tits up, you will be the one who wears the cap....If the councillors who made the complaint in the first place have the balls to respond, that gets you off the hook...let them respond.
I admire your loyalty but dont cut short a promising career.

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I'm only establishing facts Royboy, I'm not backing anybody, and certainly wouldn't do so out of pure loyalty!

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You make me wonder Andrew, if what you do is not harrassment! it seems that way, you pick at the same person continually, I also wonder if, should Peter (as people have requested many times) come on here, would you go all out to question his every word as you do with Graham, I am not particularly a GJ supporter, and he knows my feelings about the two main parties etc, it just seems that you have the potential to be a bully, and it isnt the nicest side I have seen of you.

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I think the majority vote is that we are all backing Cllr Jones here so let's call it a day please.

I'm am more interested in what points have been put forward to have these unadopted roads funded by tax payers to do temporary improvements, and still will not be adopted by LCC. Sorry, Bernard but filling in the potholes on Annie Street will only be of advantage to the residents, not to the rest of us .. unless you can convince me differently. Same with Hodder and Manor to be honest.

P.S. See Robert Owen has now changed to Bernard Dawson.
(I told him what to do ages ago, but nobody takes any notice of me ... :s_cry:)

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I think the repairs at Willows Lane to Oxford street were supposed to be 'permanent' repairs Katex, and have come up twice in a very short time, so I wouldnt expect a temporary repair to last more than a few weeks sadly, which would be another waste of money!

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Do these residents not pay council tax and do their contributions benefit the rest of you?:confused:

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Different issue Derek ..... :p

Course they do !! Oh hek, read the other thread on adopted roads for crying out loud Roy .... and don't come the one about getting discount for having an unadopted road .... they drive on all the other roads don't they ???

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I don't think trying to establishing facts is bullying. I noticed inconsistencies and am querying them, Graham believes he's innocent, so what's the problem? He tried a character assassination on myself when I requested information from all the councillors, if he can't take somebody trying to establish facts, he probably shouldn't give.

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I don't have a sense of humour :)

Andrew only reads minutes that might have Graham in so he can have a dig :rolleyes:

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Leave it Andrew there's no story here but if you want to investigate something see what you can find out about over £1m being spent on some properties on Pendle Street which despite opposition from his own party Britcliffe seems to think this money is worth spending???