![]() |
Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
I have just read this clip and think I'ts the worst case of witch hunt I have seen for a long time. :confused:
Accrington councillor probed over street repairs (From Lancashire Telegraph) |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Totally agree...seems like someone's just trying to make political capital out of this...although I'm sure Andrew will explain to us why we're wrong! ;)
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Does it matter where he lives if the roads are in need of repair.
What do we pay car tax for ? |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Sounds like P etty B ickering again
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
absolutely pathetic although this does back up his claims of imature nit picking and general nastyness by his opposition
makes you wonder what dirty tactics they dont run to the papers with infact im surpised the newspaper actually bothered entertaining this story the sun has more intergrity than this news paper graham jones has even posted on here about these streets and that he lives on one of them unlike conservitive councilors who dare not post on here |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
I totally agree with the other posters. It must be like being back in infant school for Graham Jones whenever he tries to suggest improvements in his ward.
I have nothing but praise for Graham, he works very hard in our area for improvements. There is no doubt that all of the roads he suggested need resurfacing, the fact that one of those roads is where he lives is irrelevant. I'm sure that PB and his lot wouldn't face such opposition when they apply for improvements to roads in their areas. Hopefully, when his opponents stop spitting their dummies and flicking their jelly everywhere, something might finally get done. |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
PB's street has a speed camera on it right on his doorstep almost , should we assume he pulled strings to get it installed because he was fed up of traffic going fast past his house or that it was put there out of concern for his constituants?
stupid alligations can fly both ways has it come to the point where if a councilor lives on a particular street that street should recieve no repairs as it may show favouritism ? |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
I agree it's petty and a waste of time. Graham has done the same (cried about declaring interests) in full council before, so it's a bit of a 'do as I say not as I do' situation.
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
I presume that when the proposal was made the rest of the councillors knew where Graham lived. Why then complain afterwards? Get on with what you were elected to do and represent your ward residents in a constuctive way. This is just silly playground games!!!!
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Shameful unwarranted mud- slinging, why does it not surprise me?:rolleyes:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
It smacks of baby-house.
I really hate it when local politicians feel they have to 'score points' by bad mouthing the opposition. Is there not enough work to keep the whole crew busy getting Accrington sorted? I would think that they had much better things to do with their time.......and for t he local councillors involved in these tactics, all I can say is that it does absolutely nothing for your integrity |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
If Graham had declared his interest initially, as they are supposed to, there would not have been an issue. Sorry for the lost quotes below. It is from the Sillycowgate thread. It high lights an occasion where a similar thing happened but the other wat round. Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Councillor Peter Britcliffe has issued the following statement regarding the Complaint against Councillor Graham Jones for putting forward and approving a scheme to improve his own street at an Area Council meeting in the Autumn of 2008:
"I thank those who are giving me credit for this complaint as Councillor Jones has often vexaciously tried to implicate me in similar situations. However, the first time I knew about this was when I read the Lancashire Evening Telegraph and was told I was getting the blame for this on the Web. Councillor Jones knows as well as anybody how careful we all have to be so that we do not offend the standards set by his Government. At times it is like treading on egg shells, hence I have never been able to propose Hanging Baskets or Christmas Decorations for the Infant Street area where I have a business interest. It also precluded me from taking part in the Pennine Sq/Peel St development competition as if I had I am quite sure Councillor Jones would have been one of the first to make a complaint. So even though it is Spring, he really should not bleat like a lamb when someone decides to play him at his own game." |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
I wondered how long it would be before some directive was issued from The Leaders Office....the answer is....not very long.
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Pathetic point scoring pettiness.
We only ever hear from " The Leader" (:rolleyes:) when there is mudslinging to be done. Doing yourself no favours on here PB, it's obvious what your intentions are, and it stinks! |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Hear hear Lindsay.......I couldn't have put it better myself.
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
And as for this post from The Leaders Office....it makes it sound like this post is from one of the minions.
Why doesn't Peter Britcliffe have the cojones to come out and join the debate properly? |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
(just for the uninitiated, a douche is a cleansing procedure only possible in women) |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Ah, so he was 'bleating' too....... as in 'mummy the big boys are hitting me back'!
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
I thought it was a 'miss-spelt' youth myself :)
Anyway at least you now know what a douche is........ a right old shower! |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
It made me smile Shaker.
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
Either way, it's pathetic. Whatever Graham Jones's faults, at least he has the bottle to post on here, without this infantile charade. About time you did the same, Councillor Britcliffe. |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
Well said, Royboy39 for bringing this up, when are we going to get our elected representatives, doing what they are there for? They are there to look after all of our interests and surely that includes their own? Not separate from everyone that lives near him, but inclusive with what is good for everyone! Come on P.B. if this is you stirring the mud again stop hiding and admit it, then try working for us all, not just your own political gain. :( |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
What bugs me is that, as a town, Accrington is dying on its' arse. We may promote an excellent council, floral market town etc...... but, this does nothing to attract visitors to our town centre, or the rest of the town for that matter. The demographic of the population in Accy is generally poor and not able to spend lots of money on shopping and entertainment so in order to make any money, we should concentrate on pulling in punters from elsewhere.
Improvements need to be made on our streets and roads and in the areas surrounding the town centre. My mate used to come here for the market, but never bothers anymore because the Blackburn Rd area, despite the money being pumped into it, is what she describes as 'depressing'. Instead of political point scoring and mud slinging by our council representatives, which is what Accrington people see displayed in the Observer on a weekly basis. Why don't our councillors see sense and start working together regardless of party, and try to improve our dying town in a practical way........... And I don't mean planting a few flowers and declaring us a 'floral market town' :rolleyes: |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Lettie, maybe someone from'The Leaders Office' will be along in a minute to enlighten us all....but just don't hold your breath.
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
I think a certain local councillor told me off recently for saying this BUT they wonder why people can't be bothered to vote :rolleyes: |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
In the mean time Jaysay, you have his ear, try and find out what all this lot is about, I know you are a dedicated Tory but surely even you aren't happy about this pile of whatsit?
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Can I remind everyone that you've been braying on here for PB to come on and post for years and now, when he does, you start having a go at him for the way he's doing it.
If you carry on, the chances he won't post again and then you'll be back to square one again. |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Gayle, while it would be good to have a decent debate, this does not constitute anything like a decent debate, because he is hiding under the guise of TLO.
And if this is a sample of the stuff he plans to post then I think we would be better off back at square one......but hey, maybe I am on my own in these thoughts. |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote from the post made by Less:-
except maybe he would gain more respect if he came on as himself rather than some pompous Office, Spot on Less.......I wish I had said that.:) |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
[quote=Less;701247]Erm, Lindsay how do you know the email address? If your giving out secrets that only a mod' should know you are just as bad.
Thought it was common knowledge after the first time he posted, think it was Jaysay that confirmed it. |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
[quote=lindsay ormerod;701256]
Quote:
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
[quote=Less;701260]
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
As Neil said, councillors are supposed to declare an interest from the start.
GJ didn't and has been pulled up on it. We have had this the other way round when PB had to declare an interest round the bus station area. I agree, less effort should be put into the 'to you, to me' business. I also agree with Gayle that people have been griping for years that PB has not got the nerve to post on here then when he does..........well, he hasn't received the warmest welcome, has he? |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
:DI've just spoken to councillor Britcliffe, I thought I ask him about this complaint when I saw the thread. It seems the first time Peter knew about this complaint was when some one pointed out the article in the LT hence the post from the leaders office. The thing is, and I don't know the ins or outs of the matter, but with issues such as this you should declare and interest, whether Graham Jones did or didn't I don't know, but I actually think that if the 35 councillors on HBC all sought to improve there own street I think there would be a few eyebrows raised even on Accy Web.
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
It says that Paul Barton and Tony Dobson put the complaint in. |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
[quote=katex;701264]
Quote:
( I won't hold my breath for an apology though..... :) ) |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
Confused the hell out of me :confused:. A labour councillor should have declared his interest in an HBC meeting about the state of the streets yet you're telling me it's not to do with HBC. No wonder we waste billions on politics :D |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
Agree was not actually pointed out by Cllr. Britcliffe and think we are being a little petty ourselves by the attack on him and the 'global' matters of roads, etc., which are affecting us at the moment. I, myself, think the council are doing their utmost, with any funding that is possible, in regenerating our town. Most North-West towns are in the same position unfortunately. I don't see why Cllr. Jones should not push for his road to be re-surfaced, he is not the only one living on that street, and must get lots of earache from his neighbours on this, so naturally feels he is obliged to see what can be done, along with OTHER unadopted roads. Damned if he does; damned if he doesn't. |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
[quote=lindsay ormerod;701270]
Quote:
Come on Less grovel. :D |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Lilly, maybe Councillor Britcliffe would have received a warmer welcome if he had not posted under the pretentious name of The Leaders Office.
What will he do when he isn't The Leader?....and he hasn't actually been either forthcoming or prolific with his posts in the time he has been a member. |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Exactly Katex........Graham Jones is himself, and while you might not always agree with what he says, at least you know it is him and he is putting forward his opinions and ideas(personally, I find this quite refreshing).
If The Leaders Office is Peter Britcliffe (and although it comes from his e-mail address, we can't be sure)then he should have the guts to come out and say it is him....and perhaps change his name to one which is more recognisable, and not the faceless bureaucracy that his current name suggests........it is a bit like that woman going to the school wearing the veil......he and she could be anybody. Not a good start for joining a forum like this......and ever so slightly dishonest(well that's my feeling, though I will probably get shot down for it) |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
As for TheLeadersOffice HBC, isn't it a banning offence to log in on this forum under someone else's username, as appears to have happened here, with the issuing of a statement on behalf of Cllr. Britcliffe? |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
I made the same point when the member made their first post....though it was deleted as 'inappropriate' |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
I was told by HBC that unadopted roads were nothing to do with them when I complained about ours. Does this mean they were lying? If councillor Jones gets his way I'll certainly be complaining.
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
Still, stand by my other comments in my post. |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
I just think that he is very sad if he has to be defined by his current political office, especially as at some stage of his life he will no longer be in that position. I also think that the 'face' you present to the forum is the kind of 'face' you get back......his face has been stiff and officious....not warm and friendly (as most newbies on here have been at some stage) hence his less than warm welcome. I do not recall seeing him introduce himself either. Again these are just my opinions.....for what they are worth. |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
It is rather interesting how all the people who condemned Councillor Britcliffe for not having a presence on these forums, are now lashing out and even trying to get his presence removed. These are probably the same people that claim 'at least we can come on here and talk to X councillor, where as Peter Britcliffe never shows his face' knowing full well they could simply phone him up to get a helpful response. |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
He agrees with you. :D |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
I have just this minute spoken to Councillor Jones, out in the rain, knocking on doors, seeing if any of his constituents had problems. He knew nothing about the furore on here and when I enlightened him he said categorically that he had let those concerned know about his address, it's at the top of all his council headed paper too, and he made it very clear that he would have been as keen to get the pothole situation remedied on any street in Accrington; the plain fact is that 3 streets he mentioned are unadopted and therefore a lot worse than most. (He is now also going to look at Water street because I mentioned it) He also gave me a very informative leaflet, full of useful phone numbers and complete with his email address, residential address and 2 phone numbers. Nice one Graham, timed brilliantly and good luck in your 7 a side later! |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Oh and Andrew, I am not "condemning" PB at all, it's good that he is finally taking notice of the voices on here, but the arrogant tone and the hiding behind a grand title really aren't helping!:rolleyes:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
The member has never introduced themself as such, or intimated it is him, and now the member has used that username to issue a statement on 'behalf of' Cllr. Britcliffe. That's the reason it hasn't been reported, we don't know it is him, just an associate, and therefore rules may nor have been infringed by posting under another's username.;) |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...les-46059.html |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
I will try to remember to ask him tomorrow if it's really him!
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
The attitude portrayed by the posts of this new member is in keeping with the arrogance he is reported as having - ie -he does not directly communicate with those he considers unworthy of his attention
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
He's been friendly and very helpful to me recently. |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Indeed it is useful for coucillors to use this outlet if they can, however it is utterly useless if they use it in such a childish manner as Britcliffe has done in this instance. How he can read his own quote in that post and not be embarrassed is beyond me.
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
I'll probably be accused of thread wandering, but hey it seems it's open season.
I recently defended the right of every forum member to the same right to anonymity as anyone else, if they so wish, be they in public office or not, but if you're going to chose the username TheLeadersOffice HBC, and use that to issue statements on behalf of the Council Leader, for the sake of clarity we should know who we are actually dealing with. It's good manners, if nothing else. |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
The reason posts are reported to the moderators is for them to decide if rules have been broken. I think it's fair to say a moderator is now aware of any posts on this thread which have caused concern, so therefore the post doesn't need reporting ;) |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
I used to live on an unadopted street, with an unadopted road leading up to it, we were told that WE had to have it tarmacced, and then the council would adopt it, different borough, same county... I am with the 'councillors look after themselves first' brigade, that isnt a dig at GJ, those roads needed doing, as does the bottom of newly laid Little street... again, and Oxford street junction is breaking up...again. The street down from me had the grass verges tarmaced, and the remaining street have not been touched, mind you, the tarmac laid where the grass used to be is probably the worst I have ever seen, and will be gone with the next decent freeze! Finally, didnt PB agree that MP's should be 'transparent' in a recent dummy spitting event?
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Andrew, I do not have a problem which needs 'face to face' dialogue.....but when someone enrols on a forum like this you would expect some kind of relevant contribution.
You would expect the person to be open and perhaps add to the forum with their experience and opinions....and there have been issues on here where the presence of The Leader(as he designates himself...if it is him) could have been enlightening. But no, it hasn't happened like that at all. His last post on this thread was issued like a bulletin from 'Buck House'...methinks he has a highly inflated opinion of his own worthiness.......and that in itself, in a public servant...elected by people of this borough, is odious. I would like to ask.....'Who died and made him King?' |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
If he becomes a regular contributor to Accyweb, do you think he will persist with this convoluted style of addressing us mere mortals, even when he's posting on other sections of the forum?
Councillor Britcliffe has issued the following statement regarding the Rovers v Spurs match on April 4th: "I think that the Rovers played very well and went a long way to securing their survival...etc .etc" Going to seem a little strange, isn't it? :rolleyes: |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Can I just point out several points on this issue.
The first point is that the decision to offer the chance to resurface Hodder St, Annie St and back Manor St was taking by Peel and Barnfield Area Council not Graham. Graham declared an interest and took no part in the decision. I along with other colleagues have been trying to get something done about Hodder St and Annie St for years. Finally we have managed to get some money from the area council to get these streets resurfaced. A letter has gone out to all those involved on Hodder St, Annie St and Manor St, explaining what the area council intended doing. Graham had no part in this. I delivered all the letters. On the letter it clearly states that as Graham has a personal and prejudicial interest on the project he would be taking no part in discussions regarding the scheme. I have had several meetings at area council level to discuss the progress of the scheme. Graham rightly took no part in any of them. But interestingly the two Barnfield Councillors who have made the complaint against Graham were at the meetings. Not once did either of them make any complaint about Graham. |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
No surprises there then!
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Thanks Bernard, very enlightening.:)
It's looking more and more like childish mudslinging all the time.:rolleyes: |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
In March I delivered a leaflet to everyone in Peel saying I would improve them, as part of many improvements neccessary in Peel. I raised he issue at a public meeting of Annie, Manor, Hodder with the words (the 3 unadopted in Peel so no preferences), "I live on Hodder St and it is terrible" attended by the Cllrs Barton Dobson who are the people who have complained. When it got down to money and a quote from the contractors (£2000 for all 3) I stepped back and said I woundn't vote. I did not leave the room (Technically I should have). Cllrs Dawson, Barton and Dobson then voted for the roads to done. Residents were balloted and on the bottom it had a disclaimer for Hodder Street making it clear I would not be involved, and I haven't. I am not a lamb, but a responsible councillor. The Bus Station complaint I made was because The Leader has a shop and had stated that the Bus Station will not move from Peel Street. The Bus Station is a big issue. This is not. The Bus station involves a lot of money and there are big differences in opinion, mostly for it to move. That statement blocked major investment in Hyndburn. Everyone agree's this should be done, even Conservatives voted for it to be done in a public meeting. No-one ever complained about me raising the issue. I have shouted I live on Hodder Street. The public want Peel improved including unadopted streets. There has not been one complaint against the work and around 60 in favour. 68% on Hodder, 67% on Annie and 48% (so far) on Manor. |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
Doesn't seem a good omen for having a good clean fight, if that is the case. |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
[QUOTE]
Quote:
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
[quote=Less;701260]
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
[quote=lindsay ormerod;701414]
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
:rolleyes:so someone must be telling some little fiblets......I wonder who they might be.:rolleyes:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
This is being done through the Peel and Barnfield area council . We only have a budget of £2000 for the three streets, so it won't be resurfaced to the standard of an adopted street. But it will be a lot better than it is now. What we are hoping to do in Peel Ward could also be done in other area's if their area council chose to spend what money they have in this way. |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
I do not however agree to spending HBC tax payers money on resurfacing unadopted roads. When you buy a house on such a road you know it is your responsibility to look after the road. If anyone should be paying for this work, apart from the house owners themselves, it should be LCC. They should adopt and sort out the roads. The two Councils have different responsibilities - roads are not the responsibility of HBC. If you read many posts on here the residents of Hyndburn think HBC do not do what they are responsible for without doing things they are not responsible for. |
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
if you live on an unadopted road/street do you still have to pay council tax or get some kind of reduced bill ?
|
Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
Quote:
|
All times are GMT. The time now is 03:56. |
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.1
© 2003-2013 AccringtonWeb.com