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Royboy39 06-04-2009 11:55

Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
I have just read this clip and think I'ts the worst case of witch hunt I have seen for a long time. :confused:

Accrington councillor probed over street repairs (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Wynonie Harris 06-04-2009 12:13

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Totally agree...seems like someone's just trying to make political capital out of this...although I'm sure Andrew will explain to us why we're wrong! ;)

jimmi5bellies 06-04-2009 12:28

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Does it matter where he lives if the roads are in need of repair.

What do we pay car tax for ?

MargaretR 06-04-2009 12:31

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Sounds like P etty B ickering again

accyman 06-04-2009 12:37

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absolutely pathetic although this does back up his claims of imature nit picking and general nastyness by his opposition

makes you wonder what dirty tactics they dont run to the papers with infact im surpised the newspaper actually bothered entertaining this story

the sun has more intergrity than this news paper

graham jones has even posted on here about these streets and that he lives on one of them unlike conservitive councilors who dare not post on here

lettie 06-04-2009 13:02

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I totally agree with the other posters. It must be like being back in infant school for Graham Jones whenever he tries to suggest improvements in his ward.

I have nothing but praise for Graham, he works very hard in our area for improvements. There is no doubt that all of the roads he suggested need resurfacing, the fact that one of those roads is where he lives is irrelevant.

I'm sure that PB and his lot wouldn't face such opposition when they apply for improvements to roads in their areas.

Hopefully, when his opponents stop spitting their dummies and flicking their jelly everywhere, something might finally get done.

accyman 06-04-2009 13:07

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PB's street has a speed camera on it right on his doorstep almost , should we assume he pulled strings to get it installed because he was fed up of traffic going fast past his house or that it was put there out of concern for his constituants?

stupid alligations can fly both ways

has it come to the point where if a councilor lives on a particular street that street should recieve no repairs as it may show favouritism ?

andrewb 06-04-2009 13:13

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I agree it's petty and a waste of time. Graham has done the same (cried about declaring interests) in full council before, so it's a bit of a 'do as I say not as I do' situation.

BERNADETTE 06-04-2009 13:22

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I presume that when the proposal was made the rest of the councillors knew where Graham lived. Why then complain afterwards? Get on with what you were elected to do and represent your ward residents in a constuctive way. This is just silly playground games!!!!

cashman 06-04-2009 13:27

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Shameful unwarranted mud- slinging, why does it not surprise me?:rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2009 13:38

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It smacks of baby-house.
I really hate it when local politicians feel they have to 'score points' by bad mouthing the opposition. Is there not enough work to keep the whole crew busy getting Accrington sorted?
I would think that they had much better things to do with their time.......and for t he local councillors involved in these tactics, all I can say is that it does absolutely nothing for your integrity

Neil 06-04-2009 13:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 701179)
has it come to the point where if a councilor lives on a particular street that street should recieve no repairs as it may show favouritism ?

It is just the way it works mate. I have sat in Ossy Area Council meetings and seen a Councillors have declare an interest in an item under discussion and I think leave the room. I think the idea is so that Councillors can't be accused of doing something underhand for their own benefit.

If Graham had declared his interest initially, as they are supposed to, there would not have been an issue.

Sorry for the lost quotes below. It is from the Sillycowgate thread. It high lights an occasion where a similar thing happened but the other wat round.

Quote:

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 534882)
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 534364)
I think its irrelevant, as I have heard today that the standards board have kicked it out, so no case to answer. you have to remember this is about the sixth time the Jones Boy has reported Britcliffe to the standards board and its the sixth time they've kick it out, that should tell you something about this man. I wonder If cllr Jones is now going to appologies to one of his own lady councillors for showing her up last week, when she ran out of a meeting in tears. I notice he hasn't mentioned that on here

This is nonsense. I reported him once only. He insisted at every public meeting that the bus station was staying on Peel Street. The bus operators then (and still do) refuse to speak to that man. He had/has a shop on Infant Street. He should have declared it and left the room.

The Standards Board Agreed and gave Britcliffe a severe warning. However the constitution of Hyndburn had been watered down and the advice from the SB to me was this could proceed no furthur as Mr Britcliffe had not broken one of his own rules......


TheLeadersOffice HBC 06-04-2009 13:52

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Councillor Peter Britcliffe has issued the following statement regarding the Complaint against Councillor Graham Jones for putting forward and approving a scheme to improve his own street at an Area Council meeting in the Autumn of 2008:

"I thank those who are giving me credit for this complaint as Councillor Jones has often vexaciously tried to implicate me in similar situations. However, the first time I knew about this was when I read the Lancashire Evening Telegraph and was told I was getting the blame for this on the Web.

Councillor Jones knows as well as anybody how careful we all have to be so that we do not offend the standards set by his Government. At times it is like treading on egg shells, hence I have never been able to propose Hanging Baskets or Christmas Decorations for the Infant Street area where I have a business interest. It also precluded me from taking part in the Pennine Sq/Peel St development competition as if I had I am quite sure Councillor Jones would have been one of the first to make a complaint. So even though it is Spring, he really should not bleat like a lamb when someone decides to play him at his own game."

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2009 14:00

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I wondered how long it would be before some directive was issued from The Leaders Office....the answer is....not very long.

lindsay ormerod 06-04-2009 14:08

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Pathetic point scoring pettiness.
We only ever hear from " The Leader" (:rolleyes:) when there is mudslinging to be done.
Doing yourself no favours on here PB, it's obvious what your intentions are, and it stinks!

cashman 06-04-2009 14:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLeadersOffice HBC (Post 701192)
Councillor Peter Britcliffe has issued the following statement regarding the Complaint against Councillor Graham Jones for putting forward and approving a scheme to improve his own street at an Area Council meeting in the Autumn of 2008:

"I thank those who are giving me credit for this complaint as Councillor Jones has often vexaciously tried to implicate me in similar situations. However, the first time I knew about this was when I read the Lancashire Evening Telegraph and was told I was getting the blame for this on the Web.

Councillor Jones knows as well as anybody how careful we all have to be so that we do not offend the standards set by his Government. At times it is like treading on egg shells, hence I have never been able to propose Hanging Baskets or Christmas Decorations for the Infant Street area where I have a business interest. It also precluded me from taking part in the Pennine Sq/Peel St development competition as if I had I am quite sure Councillor Jones would have been one of the first to make a complaint. So even though it is Spring, he really should not bleat like a lamb when someone decides to play him at his own game."

why don't you "ALL" grow up n run Hyndburn Properly?:(

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2009 14:11

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Hear hear Lindsay.......I couldn't have put it better myself.

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2009 14:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 701198)
why don't you "ALL" grow up n run Hyndburn Properly?:(

Because Cashy, they do not understand the phrase 'grow up'....It is an alien concept to them....and as for running Hyndburn properly (sigh)....I don't think they know how.

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2009 14:16

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And as for this post from The Leaders Office....it makes it sound like this post is from one of the minions.
Why doesn't Peter Britcliffe have the cojones to come out and join the debate properly?

shakermaker 06-04-2009 14:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLeadersOffice HBC (Post 701192)
Councillor Peter Britcliffe has issued the following statement regarding the Complaint against Councillor Graham Jones for putting forward and approving a scheme to improve his own street at an Area Council meeting in the Autumn of 2008:

"I thank those who are giving me credit for this complaint as Councillor Jones has often vexaciously tried to implicate me in similar situations. However, the first time I knew about this was when I read the Lancashire Evening Telegraph and was told I was getting the blame for this on the Web.

Councillor Jones knows as well as anybody how careful we all have to be so that we do not offend the standards set by his Government. At times it is like treading on egg shells, hence I have never been able to propose Hanging Baskets or Christmas Decorations for the Infant Street area where I have a business interest. It also precluded me from taking part in the Pennine Sq/Peel St development competition as if I had I am quite sure Councillor Jones would have been one of the first to make a complaint. So even though it is Spring, he really should not bleat like a lamb when someone decides to play him at his own game."

Douche.

cashman 06-04-2009 14:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 701201)
And as for this post from The Leaders Office....it makes it sound like this post is from one of the minions.
Why doesn't Peter Britcliffe have the cojones to come out and join the debate properly?

because as he says he was told he was getting the blame on the web, so from that assume his ass kisser told him.:rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2009 14:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 701202)
Douche.

Am I allowed to ask.....? Is that a typo, or am I missing some alternative humour here.
(just for the uninitiated, a douche is a cleansing procedure only possible in women)

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2009 14:25

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Ah, so he was 'bleating' too....... as in 'mummy the big boys are hitting me back'!

shakermaker 06-04-2009 14:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 701209)
Am I allowed to ask.....?

Just a misspent youth, Margaret. Too much American TV with filthy humour.

cashman 06-04-2009 14:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 701209)
Am I allowed to ask.....? Is that a typo, or am I missing some alternative humour here.
(just for the uninitiated, a douche is a cleansing procedure only possible in women)

Perhaps shakers infering he is one? i can live with that.:D:D

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2009 14:28

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I thought it was a 'miss-spelt' youth myself :)
Anyway at least you now know what a douche is........ a right old shower!

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2009 14:31

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It made me smile Shaker.

Wynonie Harris 06-04-2009 14:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLeadersOffice HBC (Post 701192)
Councillor Peter Britcliffe has issued the following statement regarding the Complaint against Councillor Graham Jones for putting forward and approving a scheme to improve his own street at an Area Council meeting in the Autumn of 2008:

"I thank those who are giving me credit for this complaint as Councillor Jones has often vexaciously tried to implicate me in similar situations. However, the first time I knew about this was when I read the Lancashire Evening Telegraph and was told I was getting the blame for this on the Web.

Councillor Jones knows as well as anybody how careful we all have to be so that we do not offend the standards set by his Government. At times it is like treading on egg shells, hence I have never been able to propose Hanging Baskets or Christmas Decorations for the Infant Street area where I have a business interest. It also precluded me from taking part in the Pennine Sq/Peel St development competition as if I had I am quite sure Councillor Jones would have been one of the first to make a complaint. So even though it is Spring, he really should not bleat like a lamb when someone decides to play him at his own game."

So is this poster someone who is a mouthpiece for PB, or is it PB pretending to be someone who is a mouthpiece for PB?

Either way, it's pathetic.

Whatever Graham Jones's faults, at least he has the bottle to post on here, without this infantile charade. About time you did the same, Councillor Britcliffe.

Less 06-04-2009 14:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 701160)
I have just read this clip and think I'ts the worst case of witch hunt I have seen for a long time. :confused:

Accrington councillor probed over street repairs (From Lancashire Telegraph)


Well said, Royboy39 for bringing this up, when are we going to get our elected representatives, doing what they are there for?

They are there to look after all of our interests and surely that includes their own?

Not separate from everyone that lives near him, but inclusive with what is good for everyone!

Come on P.B. if this is you stirring the mud again stop hiding and admit it, then try working for us all, not just your own political gain.
:(

lettie 06-04-2009 14:39

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What bugs me is that, as a town, Accrington is dying on its' arse. We may promote an excellent council, floral market town etc...... but, this does nothing to attract visitors to our town centre, or the rest of the town for that matter. The demographic of the population in Accy is generally poor and not able to spend lots of money on shopping and entertainment so in order to make any money, we should concentrate on pulling in punters from elsewhere.

Improvements need to be made on our streets and roads and in the areas surrounding the town centre. My mate used to come here for the market, but never bothers anymore because the Blackburn Rd area, despite the money being pumped into it, is what she describes as 'depressing'.

Instead of political point scoring and mud slinging by our council representatives, which is what Accrington people see displayed in the Observer on a weekly basis. Why don't our councillors see sense and start working together regardless of party, and try to improve our dying town in a practical way........... And I don't mean planting a few flowers and declaring us a 'floral market town' :rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2009 14:45

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Lettie, maybe someone from'The Leaders Office' will be along in a minute to enlighten us all....but just don't hold your breath.

lancsdave 06-04-2009 14:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 701198)
why don't you "ALL" grow up n run Hyndburn Properly?:(


I think a certain local councillor told me off recently for saying this BUT they wonder why people can't be bothered to vote :rolleyes:

cashman 06-04-2009 14:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 701225)
Lettie, maybe someone from'The Leaders Office' will be along in a minute to enlighten us all....but just don't hold your breath.

well whomever is posting under that guise, can only be the leader or his ass kisser IMHO. has made 2 posts, today n 12th march, the first one seemed to me arrogance, this one petty, the amount of posts by T.L.O. shows how much he cares/regards residents views, to me anyway.:(

Less 06-04-2009 14:58

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In the mean time Jaysay, you have his ear, try and find out what all this lot is about, I know you are a dedicated Tory but surely even you aren't happy about this pile of whatsit?

lindsay ormerod 06-04-2009 15:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 701233)
well whomever is posting under that guise, can only be the leader or his ass kisser IMHO. has made 2 posts, today n 12th march, the first one seemed to me arrogance, this one petty, the amount of posts by T.L.O. shows how much he cares/regards residents views, to me anyway.:(

Well it's coming from the email address of the clown in chief so it's either himself or the tea boy nipping on to do the dirty work.:rolleyes:

Gayle 06-04-2009 15:23

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Can I remind everyone that you've been braying on here for PB to come on and post for years and now, when he does, you start having a go at him for the way he's doing it.

If you carry on, the chances he won't post again and then you'll be back to square one again.

Less 06-04-2009 15:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 701240)
Well it's coming from the email address of the clown in chief so it's either himself or the tea boy nipping on to do the dirty work.:rolleyes:

Erm, Lindsay how do you know the email address? If your giving out secrets that only a mod' should know you are just as bad.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 701243)
Can I remind everyone that you've been braying on here for PB to come on and post for years and now, when he does, you start having a go at him for the way he's doing it.

If you carry on, the chances he won't post again and then you'll be back to square one again.

Yes, Gayle, you are absolutely right, except maybe he would gain more respect if he came on as himself rather than some pompous Office, we all know when we are talking to Graham, who could we be talking to under such a guise as is being used now?

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2009 15:32

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Gayle, while it would be good to have a decent debate, this does not constitute anything like a decent debate, because he is hiding under the guise of TLO.

And if this is a sample of the stuff he plans to post then I think we would be better off back at square one......but hey, maybe I am on my own in these thoughts.

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2009 15:34

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Quote from the post made by Less:-

except maybe he would gain more respect if he came on as himself rather than some pompous Office,

Spot on Less.......I wish I had said that.:)

lindsay ormerod 06-04-2009 15:46

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[quote=Less;701247]Erm, Lindsay how do you know the email address? If your giving out secrets that only a mod' should know you are just as bad.

Thought it was common knowledge after the first time he posted, think it was Jaysay that confirmed it.

Benipete 06-04-2009 15:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 701209)
Am I allowed to ask.....? Is that a typo, or am I missing some alternative humour here.
(just for the uninitiated, a douche is a cleansing procedure only possible in women)

Probably from the Latin Ducha (shower) or even Ducharse (to shower) but I'm sure Royboy will correct me If I'm wrong.:theband::D:D

Less 06-04-2009 15:53

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[quote=lindsay ormerod;701256]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 701247)
Erm, Lindsay how do you know the email address? If your giving out secrets that only a mod' should know you are just as bad.

Thought it was common knowledge after the first time he posted, think it was Jaysay that confirmed it.

The source, is what Jaysay confirmed if I remember correctly, not, the email address, which is what you stated:-


Quote:

Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 701240)
Well it's coming from the email address of the clown in chief so it's either himself or the tea boy nipping on to do the dirty work.:rolleyes:

None of the ordinary members can confirm such things, that's why it's tucked away separate by the mod's.

katex 06-04-2009 16:07

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[quote=Less;701260]
Quote:

Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 701256)






None of the ordinary members can confirm such things, that's why it's tucked away separate by the mod's.

Less, if you download the Vcard in the profile under contact information, it comes up with Peter.Britcliffe@ ... etc. There for all members to see ... :rolleyes: Think it was Cashy who confirmed it after the last post.

Lilly 06-04-2009 16:13

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As Neil said, councillors are supposed to declare an interest from the start.

GJ didn't and has been pulled up on it.

We have had this the other way round when PB had to declare an interest round the bus station area.

I agree, less effort should be put into the 'to you, to me' business.

I also agree with Gayle that people have been griping for years that PB has not got the nerve to post on here then when he does..........well, he hasn't received the warmest welcome, has he?

jaysay 06-04-2009 16:16

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:DI've just spoken to councillor Britcliffe, I thought I ask him about this complaint when I saw the thread. It seems the first time Peter knew about this complaint was when some one pointed out the article in the LT hence the post from the leaders office. The thing is, and I don't know the ins or outs of the matter, but with issues such as this you should declare and interest, whether Graham Jones did or didn't I don't know, but I actually think that if the 35 councillors on HBC all sought to improve there own street I think there would be a few eyebrows raised even on Accy Web.

lancsdave 06-04-2009 16:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 701266)
but I actually think that if the 35 councillors on HBC all sought to improve there own street I think there would be a few eyebrows raised even on Accy Web.

Given the number of potholes on the roads round here at the moment I reckon 350 councillors wouldn't cover it :rolleyes:

Lilly 06-04-2009 16:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 701266)
:DI've just spoken to councillor Britcliffe, I thought I ask him about this complaint when I saw the thread. It seems the first time Peter knew about this complaint was when some one pointed out the article in the LT hence the post from the leaders office. The thing is, and I don't know the ins or outs of the matter, but with issues such as this you should declare and interest, whether Graham Jones did or didn't I don't know, but I actually think that if the 35 councillors on HBC all sought to improve there own street I think there would be a few eyebrows raised even on Accy Web.

The article itself does not mention PB.

It says that Paul Barton and Tony Dobson put the complaint in.

lindsay ormerod 06-04-2009 16:20

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[quote=katex;701264]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 701260)

Less, if you download the Vcard in the profile under contact information, it comes up with Peter.Britcliffe@ ... etc. There for all members to see ... :rolleyes: Think it was Cashy who confirmed it after the last post.

Thanks Kate, didn't think I was breaking any pots there!:)

( I won't hold my breath for an apology though..... :) )

jaysay 06-04-2009 16:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 701265)
As Neil said, councillors are supposed to declare an interest from the start.

GJ didn't and has been pulled up on it.

We have had this the other way round when PB had to declare an interest round the bus station area.

I agree, less effort should be put into the 'to you, to me' business.

I also agree with Gayle that people have been griping for years that PB has not got the nerve to post on here then when he does..........well, he hasn't received the warmest welcome, has he?

Well Lilly I think that's the point, really. The last time he posted the mods had to delete some post as being inappropriate. The point I have always made is that anyone who wants to discuss anything with PB they can do so face to face no problem, but maybe that wouldn't suite some of our discerning members on here.:rolleyes:

jaysay 06-04-2009 16:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 701267)
Given the number of potholes on the roads round here at the moment I reckon 350 councillors wouldn't cover it :rolleyes:

Well dave bend the ear of your Labour County Councillor, not really anything to do with HBC, and if you complain long and hard enough you may just get some improvements before the elections:D

lancsdave 06-04-2009 16:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 701273)
Well dave bend the ear of your Labour County Councillor, not really anything to do with HBC, and if you complain long and hard enough you may just get some improvements before the elections:D


Confused the hell out of me :confused:. A labour councillor should have declared his interest in an HBC meeting about the state of the streets yet you're telling me it's not to do with HBC. No wonder we waste billions on politics :D

katex 06-04-2009 16:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 701266)
but I actually think that if the 35 councillors on HBC all sought to improve there own street I think there would be a few eyebrows raised even on Accy Web.

All these streets were unadopted roads Jaysay, which was a special issue up for discussion. Ok, before the discussion maybe Cllr.Jones did not actually say to the committee "Look guys/gals, I actually live on Hodder Street". Of course they all knew anyway, his address is on the HBC website. Perhaps just an 'official' oversight.

Agree was not actually pointed out by Cllr. Britcliffe and think we are being a little petty ourselves by the attack on him and the 'global' matters of roads, etc., which are affecting us at the moment. I, myself, think the council are doing their utmost, with any funding that is possible, in regenerating our town. Most North-West towns are in the same position unfortunately.

I don't see why Cllr. Jones should not push for his road to be re-surfaced, he is not the only one living on that street, and must get lots of earache from his neighbours on this, so naturally feels he is obliged to see what can be done, along with OTHER unadopted roads. Damned if he does; damned if he doesn't.

katex 06-04-2009 16:42

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[quote=lindsay ormerod;701270]
Quote:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 701264)

Thanks Kate, didn't think I was breaking any pots there!:)

( I won't hold my breath for an apology though..... :) )

Nor me Lindsay .. he's never wrong is he ? LOL.

Come on Less grovel. :D

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2009 17:16

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Lilly, maybe Councillor Britcliffe would have received a warmer welcome if he had not posted under the pretentious name of The Leaders Office.
What will he do when he isn't The Leader?....and he hasn't actually been either forthcoming or prolific with his posts in the time he has been a member.

katex 06-04-2009 17:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 701295)
Lilly, maybe Councillor Britcliffe would have received a warmer welcome if he had not posted under the pretentious name of The Leaders Office.
What will he do when he isn't The Leader?....and he hasn't actually been either forthcoming or prolific with his posts in the time he has been a member.

LOL .. yeh, did make me titter too Margaret ... like a little bridge to cross between himself and the public which probably has a troll hiding underneath.

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2009 17:42

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Exactly Katex........Graham Jones is himself, and while you might not always agree with what he says, at least you know it is him and he is putting forward his opinions and ideas(personally, I find this quite refreshing).
If The Leaders Office is Peter Britcliffe (and although it comes from his e-mail address, we can't be sure)then he should have the guts to come out and say it is him....and perhaps change his name to one which is more recognisable, and not the faceless bureaucracy that his current name suggests........it is a bit like that woman going to the school wearing the veil......he and she could be anybody.
Not a good start for joining a forum like this......and ever so slightly dishonest(well that's my feeling, though I will probably get shot down for it)

garinda 06-04-2009 17:51

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 701265)
As Neil said, councillors are supposed to declare an interest from the start.

GJ didn't and has been pulled up on it.

We have had this the other way round when PB had to declare an interest round the bus station area.

I agree, less effort should be put into the 'to you, to me' business.

I also agree with Gayle that people have been griping for years that PB has not got the nerve to post on here then when he does..........well, he hasn't received the warmest welcome, has he?

There is a massive difference about not declaring a business interest, as in the case of the bus station being moved and Cllr. Britcliffe's interest, and the street where a councillor actually lives. It's no secret where councillors live, it's easily accessible from numerous places on council literature.

As for TheLeadersOffice HBC, isn't it a banning offence to log in on this forum under someone else's username, as appears to have happened here, with the issuing of a statement on behalf of Cllr. Britcliffe?

garinda 06-04-2009 17:56

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 701295)
What will he do when he isn't The Leader?




I made the same point when the member made their first post....though it was deleted as 'inappropriate'

yerself 06-04-2009 17:58

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
I was told by HBC that unadopted roads were nothing to do with them when I complained about ours. Does this mean they were lying? If councillor Jones gets his way I'll certainly be complaining.

katex 06-04-2009 18:03

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLeadersOffice HBC (Post 701192)
Councillor Peter Britcliffe has issued the following statement regarding the Complaint against Councillor Graham Jones for putting forward and approving a scheme to improve his own street at an Area Council meeting in the Autumn of 2008:

It's this bit that does it really isn't it ... sorta' above his station like ...:rofl38:

Still, stand by my other comments in my post.

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2009 18:05

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 701317)
I made the same point when the member made their first post....though it was deleted as 'inappropriate'

I didn't see that Garinda.
I just think that he is very sad if he has to be defined by his current political office, especially as at some stage of his life he will no longer be in that position.

I also think that the 'face' you present to the forum is the kind of 'face' you get back......his face has been stiff and officious....not warm and friendly (as most newbies on here have been at some stage) hence his less than warm welcome.
I do not recall seeing him introduce himself either.
Again these are just my opinions.....for what they are worth.

andrewb 06-04-2009 18:09

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 701314)

As for TheLeadersOffice HBC, isn't it a banning offence to log in on this forum under someone else's username, as appears to have happened here, with the issuing of a statement on behalf of Cllr. Britcliffe?

You could have reported this if you had a genuine concern.

It is rather interesting how all the people who condemned Councillor Britcliffe for not having a presence on these forums, are now lashing out and even trying to get his presence removed. These are probably the same people that claim 'at least we can come on here and talk to X councillor, where as Peter Britcliffe never shows his face' knowing full well they could simply phone him up to get a helpful response.

garinda 06-04-2009 18:10

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 701326)
I didn't see that Garinda.
I just think that he is very sad if he has to be defined by his current political office, especially as at some stage of his life he will no longer be in that position.

I also think that the 'face' you present to the forum is the kind of 'face' you get back......his face has been stiff and officious....not warm and friendly (as most newbies on here have been at some stage) hence his less than warm welcome.
I do not recall seeing him introduce himself either.
Again these are just my opinions.....for what they are worth.

I've been asked to make a statement on behalf of Garinda.

He agrees with you.

:D

lindsay ormerod 06-04-2009 18:19

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 701330)
You could have reported this if you had a genuine concern.

It is rather interesting how all the people who condemned Councillor Britcliffe for not having a presence on these forums, are now lashing out and even trying to get his presence removed. These are probably the same people that claim 'at least we can come on here and talk to X councillor, where as Peter Britcliffe never shows his face' knowing full well they could simply phone him up to get a helpful response.


I have just this minute spoken to Councillor Jones, out in the rain, knocking on doors, seeing if any of his constituents had problems. He knew nothing about the furore on here and when I enlightened him he said categorically that he had let those concerned know about his address, it's at the top of all his council headed paper too, and he made it very clear that he would have been as keen to get the pothole situation remedied on any street in Accrington; the plain fact is that 3 streets he mentioned are unadopted and therefore a lot worse than most. (He is now also going to look at Water street because I mentioned it)
He also gave me a very informative leaflet, full of useful phone numbers and complete with his email address, residential address and 2 phone numbers.
Nice one Graham, timed brilliantly and good luck in your 7 a side later!

lindsay ormerod 06-04-2009 18:22

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Oh and Andrew, I am not "condemning" PB at all, it's good that he is finally taking notice of the voices on here, but the arrogant tone and the hiding behind a grand title really aren't helping!:rolleyes:

garinda 06-04-2009 18:24

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 701330)
You could have reported this if you had a genuine concern.

It is rather interesting how all the people who condemned Councillor Britcliffe for not having a presence on these forums, are now lashing out and even trying to get his presence removed. These are probably the same people that claim 'at least we can come on here and talk to X councillor, where as Peter Britcliffe never shows his face' knowing full well they could simply phone him up to get a helpful response.

Excuse me, we don't even know if it is Cllr. Britcliffe.

The member has never introduced themself as such, or intimated it is him, and now the member has used that username to issue a statement on 'behalf of' Cllr. Britcliffe.

That's the reason it hasn't been reported, we don't know it is him, just an associate, and therefore rules may nor have been infringed by posting under another's username.;)

katex 06-04-2009 18:27

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yerself (Post 701318)
I was told by HBC that unadopted roads were nothing to do with them when I complained about ours. Does this mean they were lying? If councillor Jones gets his way I'll certainly be complaining.

See this Yerself:-

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...les-46059.html

Gayle 06-04-2009 18:27

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
I will try to remember to ask him tomorrow if it's really him!

MargaretR 06-04-2009 18:28

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
The attitude portrayed by the posts of this new member is in keeping with the arrogance he is reported as having - ie -he does not directly communicate with those he considers unworthy of his attention

garinda 06-04-2009 18:31

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 701345)
The attitude portrayed by the posts of this new member is in keeping with the arrogance he is reported as having - ie -he does not directly communicate with those he considers unworthy of his attention

Perhaps I'm 'worthy'.:confused::rolleyes::D

He's been friendly and very helpful to me recently.

andrewb 06-04-2009 18:32

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 701345)
The attitude portrayed by the posts of this new member is in keeping with the arrogance he is reported as having - ie -he does not directly communicate with those he considers unworthy of his attention

I must be one of the 'worthy' ones then. Might have been because I picked up the phone and called when I had a problem.

shakermaker 06-04-2009 18:34

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Indeed it is useful for coucillors to use this outlet if they can, however it is utterly useless if they use it in such a childish manner as Britcliffe has done in this instance. How he can read his own quote in that post and not be embarrassed is beyond me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 701259)
Probably from the Latin Ducha (shower) or even Ducharse (to shower)

No it's from South Park.

garinda 06-04-2009 18:37

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
I'll probably be accused of thread wandering, but hey it seems it's open season.

I recently defended the right of every forum member to the same right to anonymity as anyone else, if they so wish, be they in public office or not, but if you're going to chose the username TheLeadersOffice HBC, and use that to issue statements on behalf of the Council Leader, for the sake of clarity we should know who we are actually dealing with.

It's good manners, if nothing else.

lancsdave 06-04-2009 18:51

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 701330)
You could have reported this if you had a genuine concern.


The reason posts are reported to the moderators is for them to decide if rules have been broken. I think it's fair to say a moderator is now aware of any posts on this thread which have caused concern, so therefore the post doesn't need reporting ;)

cashman 06-04-2009 19:01

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 701350)
I must be one of the 'worthy' ones then. Might have been because I picked up the phone and called when I had a problem.

NO it more like cos you'd defend who i said a while back, remember when ya got the hump like a schoolboy?:(

derekgas 06-04-2009 19:07

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
I used to live on an unadopted street, with an unadopted road leading up to it, we were told that WE had to have it tarmacced, and then the council would adopt it, different borough, same county... I am with the 'councillors look after themselves first' brigade, that isnt a dig at GJ, those roads needed doing, as does the bottom of newly laid Little street... again, and Oxford street junction is breaking up...again. The street down from me had the grass verges tarmaced, and the remaining street have not been touched, mind you, the tarmac laid where the grass used to be is probably the worst I have ever seen, and will be gone with the next decent freeze! Finally, didnt PB agree that MP's should be 'transparent' in a recent dummy spitting event?

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2009 19:15

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Andrew, I do not have a problem which needs 'face to face' dialogue.....but when someone enrols on a forum like this you would expect some kind of relevant contribution.
You would expect the person to be open and perhaps add to the forum with their experience and opinions....and there have been issues on here where the presence of
The Leader(as he designates himself...if it is him) could have been enlightening.

But no, it hasn't happened like that at all.
His last post on this thread was issued like a bulletin from 'Buck House'...methinks he has a highly inflated opinion of his own worthiness.......and that in itself, in a public servant...elected by people of this borough, is odious.
I would like to ask.....'Who died and made him King?'

Wynonie Harris 06-04-2009 19:27

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
If he becomes a regular contributor to Accyweb, do you think he will persist with this convoluted style of addressing us mere mortals, even when he's posting on other sections of the forum?

Councillor Britcliffe has issued the following statement regarding the Rovers v Spurs match on April 4th: "I think that the Rovers played very well and went a long way to securing their survival...etc .etc"

Going to seem a little strange, isn't it? :rolleyes:

Bernard Dawson 06-04-2009 19:45

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Can I just point out several points on this issue.

The first point is that the decision to offer the chance to resurface Hodder St, Annie St and back Manor St was taking by Peel and Barnfield Area Council not Graham. Graham declared an interest and took no part in the decision.

I along with other colleagues have been trying to get something done about Hodder St and Annie St for years. Finally we have managed to get some money from the area council to get these streets resurfaced.

A letter has gone out to all those involved on Hodder St, Annie St and Manor St, explaining what the area council intended doing. Graham had no part in this. I delivered all the letters. On the letter it clearly states that as Graham has a personal and prejudicial interest on the project he would be taking no part in discussions regarding the scheme.

I have had several meetings at area council level to discuss the progress of the scheme. Graham rightly took no part in any of them. But interestingly the two Barnfield Councillors who have made the complaint against Graham were at the meetings. Not once did either of them make any complaint about Graham.

derekgas 06-04-2009 19:48

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
No surprises there then!

lindsay ormerod 06-04-2009 19:50

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Thanks Bernard, very enlightening.:)
It's looking more and more like childish mudslinging all the time.:rolleyes:

g jones 06-04-2009 19:54

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLeadersOffice HBC (Post 701192)
Councillor Peter Britcliffe has issued the following statement regarding the Complaint against Councillor Graham Jones for putting forward and approving a scheme to improve his own street at an Area Council meeting in the Autumn of 2008:

"I thank those who are giving me credit for this complaint as Councillor Jones has often vexaciously tried to implicate me in similar situations. However, the first time I knew about this was when I read the Lancashire Evening Telegraph and was told I was getting the blame for this on the Web.

Councillor Jones knows as well as anybody how careful we all have to be so that we do not offend the standards set by his Government. At times it is like treading on egg shells, hence I have never been able to propose Hanging Baskets or Christmas Decorations for the Infant Street area where I have a business interest. It also precluded me from taking part in the Pennine Sq/Peel St development competition as if I had I am quite sure Councillor Jones would have been one of the first to make a complaint. So even though it is Spring, he really should not bleat like a lamb when someone decides to play him at his own game."

This involves Annie, Hodder, Manor St (back). They are un adopted and very bump, like a rutted farmers track. People want them doing and people not on them think they should be done. All the people on the doorstep said what has been posted above.

In March I delivered a leaflet to everyone in Peel saying I would improve them, as part of many improvements neccessary in Peel. I raised he issue at a public meeting of Annie, Manor, Hodder with the words (the 3 unadopted in Peel so no preferences), "I live on Hodder St and it is terrible" attended by the Cllrs Barton Dobson who are the people who have complained. When it got down to money and a quote from the contractors (£2000 for all 3) I stepped back and said I woundn't vote. I did not leave the room (Technically I should have). Cllrs Dawson, Barton and Dobson then voted for the roads to done. Residents were balloted and on the bottom it had a disclaimer for Hodder Street making it clear I would not be involved, and I haven't.

I am not a lamb, but a responsible councillor.

The Bus Station complaint I made was because The Leader has a shop and had stated that the Bus Station will not move from Peel Street. The Bus Station is a big issue. This is not. The Bus station involves a lot of money and there are big differences in opinion, mostly for it to move. That statement blocked major investment in Hyndburn.

Everyone agree's this should be done, even Conservatives voted for it to be done in a public meeting. No-one ever complained about me raising the issue. I have shouted I live on Hodder Street. The public want Peel improved including unadopted streets. There has not been one complaint against the work and around 60 in favour. 68% on Hodder, 67% on Annie and 48% (so far) on Manor.

andrewb 06-04-2009 19:59

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 701364)
NO it more like cos you'd defend who i said a while back, remember when ya got the hump like a schoolboy?:(

I've criticised in this very thread. No, I wouldn't defend Hitler as you said a while back. :rolleyes:

garinda 06-04-2009 20:01

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 701269)

It says that Paul Barton and Tony Dobson put the complaint in.

Word has it that one of the two is being considered as the Conservative candidate to stand in the next General Election.

Doesn't seem a good omen for having a good clean fight, if that is the case.

Royboy39 06-04-2009 20:22

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 701396)
Word has it that one of the two is being considered as the Conservative candidate to stand in the next General Election.

Doesn't seem a good omen for having a good clean fight, if that is the case.

I think in this case the two councillors who complained should be summoned to the 'Official Office' for a right good old fashioned boll-king?

Less 06-04-2009 20:25

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
[QUOTE]
Quote:

Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 701270)
Quote:
Originally Posted by katex View Post

Thanks Kate, didn't think I was breaking any pots there!

( I won't hold my breath for an apology though..... )
Nor me Lindsay .. he's never wrong is he ? LOL.

Come on Less grovel.

No need to apologise or grovel below is the question I asked & my statement:-

Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 701247)
Erm, Lindsay how do you know the email address? If your giving out secrets that only a mod' should know you are just as bad.

The question was answered by my dear friend katex with her vcard explanation & as I said above IF your giving out secrets.

MargaretR 06-04-2009 20:26

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 701402)
I think in this case the two councillors who complained should be summoned to the 'Officail Office' for a right good old fashioned boll-king?

They may have been 'acting on orders from above' - who is to know?

lindsay ormerod 06-04-2009 20:30

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 701396)
Word has it that one of the two is being considered as the Conservative candidate to stand in the next General Election.

Doesn't seem a good omen for having a good clean fight, if that is the case.

Greg has nothing to worry about then!:D

lindsay ormerod 06-04-2009 20:33

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
[quote=Less;701260]
Quote:

Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 701256)

The source, is what Jaysay confirmed if I remember correctly, not, the email address, which is what you stated:-




None of the ordinary members can confirm such things, that's why it's tucked away separate by the mod's.

That to me implies you thought I was abusing my mod-ship, wrong, but am not gonna argue with you, the topic is far more important. :D

Royboy39 06-04-2009 20:44

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[quote=lindsay ormerod;701414]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 701260)

That to me implies you thought I was abusing my mod-ship, wrong, but am not gonna argue with you, the topic is far more important. :D

Dont worry about it Lindsay...the Google Page Ranking Office is run from offline computors and flying cats.....the topic is more important. :)

BERNADETTE 06-04-2009 20:48

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yerself (Post 701318)
I was told by HBC that unadopted roads were nothing to do with them when I complained about ours. Does this mean they were lying? If councillor Jones gets his way I'll certainly be complaining.

Yes I will be pointing this out to the residents of Emma Street, they have been told the same thing.

Royboy39 06-04-2009 20:57

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 701259)
Probably from the Latin Ducha (shower) or even Ducharse (to shower) but I'm sure Royboy will correct me If I'm wrong.:theband::D:D

Ducks arse....thats a haircut...or it was when I was a lad? ;)

cashman 06-04-2009 21:07

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 701393)
I've criticised in this very thread. No, I wouldn't defend Hitler as you said a while back. :rolleyes:

the difference between you n our illustrious leader andrew is simple, if you think you have misjudged summat, YOU have the balls to say so.;)

cashman 06-04-2009 21:11

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 701393)
I've criticised in this very thread. No, I wouldn't defend Hitler as you said a while back. :rolleyes:

yes you have, as the thread starter did, n that warrants respect to ya both.;)

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2009 21:27

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
:rolleyes:so someone must be telling some little fiblets......I wonder who they might be.:rolleyes:

Bernard Dawson 06-04-2009 22:30

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 701426)
Yes I will be pointing this out to the residents of Emma Street, they have been told the same thing.

I understand what you are saying but the Council will not be adopting the streets in question.

This is being done through the Peel and Barnfield area council . We only have a budget of £2000 for the three streets, so it won't be resurfaced to the standard of an adopted street. But it will be a lot better than it is now.

What we are hoping to do in Peel Ward could also be done in other area's if their area council chose to spend what money they have in this way.

Neil 06-04-2009 22:43

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 701387)
Can I just point out several points on this issue.

The first point is that the decision to offer the chance to resurface Hodder St, Annie St and back Manor St was taking by Peel and Barnfield Area Council not Graham. Graham declared an interest and took no part in the decision.

I along with other colleagues have been trying to get something done about Hodder St and Annie St for years. Finally we have managed to get some money from the area council to get these streets resurfaced.

If Graham followed the correct procedure then there is nothing to answer.

I do not however agree to spending HBC tax payers money on resurfacing unadopted roads. When you buy a house on such a road you know it is your responsibility to look after the road. If anyone should be paying for this work, apart from the house owners themselves, it should be LCC. They should adopt and sort out the roads.

The two Councils have different responsibilities - roads are not the responsibility of HBC. If you read many posts on here the residents of Hyndburn think HBC do not do what they are responsible for without doing things they are not responsible for.

Neil 06-04-2009 22:45

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 701471)
We only have a budget of £2000 for the three streets, so it won't be resurfaced to the standard of an adopted street. But it will be a lot better than it is now.

So how much would that be for each resident if you split the £2000 by the number of houses?

accyman 06-04-2009 22:47

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
if you live on an unadopted road/street do you still have to pay council tax or get some kind of reduced bill ?

garinda 06-04-2009 22:58

Re: Now...This is silly and a complete waste of time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 701478)
if you live on an unadopted road/street do you still have to pay council tax or get some kind of reduced bill ?

Yes, you still pay the full amount. There's no deduction if you live on an unadopted road, and part of your council tax is still sent to the County Council, who have responsibility for the upkeep of streets and roads in the borough.


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