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Stop the BNP. Vote to keep BNP out. You have the chance on the June the 4th to send a clear message to the BNP. Keep out your Poison.Use your vote to stop the BNP sowing its seeds of hate in our community. Use your vote to stop the BNP destroying our democracy. Use your vote to protect public services and the workers who provide them.

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Our locality has no BNP candidate so it won't be hard.

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Some of Westminsters MPs may well have their snouts in the trough,but the BNP candidate has their heart and mind in the sewer.

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The BNP threat is the strongest in the North West, North Yorkshire and Humber in terms of winning seats in the European Parliment.

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Couldn't agree more. Stop the BNP at all costs. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that a vote for them would be a protest vote against all that is happening in politics at the moment. Most people are very angry about Mp's expenses, the economic fallout and unemployment but there is no room in our society for a party like the BNP

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if anyone needs telling to stop this band of thugs, they would probably vote fer em anyway, being they are as thick as them.:rolleyes:

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Totally agree...don't vote for racists. It's as simple as that.

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The BNP on women. Rape is simply sex.Women enjoy Sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible Psysical ordeal. Some women are like gongs they need to be struck regularly.Nick Eriksen BNP London Assembly Candidate Evening Standard O1.04.08

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I'll Vote for who i like thank you very much :):):):)
It wont be Labour anyway

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This may be the case, but what I was saying was...you can't vote for the BNP if they don't put up a candidate....and there is no candidate for the BNP in our locality.

I think that most right thinking folk know that the BNP are not an option...not even as a protest vote.......but I think that politics has become tainted by the current expenses situation.
I don't know how I will vote in the forthcoming elections....there is a labour candidate and a conservative one.......I have time to think about it.

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which public services are they planning on stopping ?

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Hopefully, the gravy train that is Westminster. :eek:

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In response. To protect public services in terms of if the BNP racist policies were implemented our NHS would collaspe because 38percent of hospital doctors in England qualified outside the UK. 40percent of Dentists where born abroad 16 percent of nurses come from Asian and black back grounds.

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The BNP are standing candidates in the European Elections on the same day as the county council, avoid them like the plague

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ahh but there will also be less people needing treatment on the nhs if they throw out all imigrants

swings and roundabouts lol

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Dont be fooled. The BNP are on the cusp of winning seats they have invested huge amounts of time and money in their election campaign and have tried to hide their extreme ideology we have to act up and down the country to make sure they dont win.

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if they get in then it means they were voted for by enough people to elect them , they probably wont get elected and wont get my vote but if people vote them in then so be it

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North West main battle-ground in the fight against BNP Nick Griffin is their main candidate and because of the proportional representation under which elections are contested he needs as little as 8 percent vote to get one of the eight places in the European elections.An MEP would give the BNP 250000 a year for five years in wages and support.

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Would he fiddle the expenses like the mainstream parties do ?

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You just joined Unison TD ? ... :);)

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well this thread definately wont stop me voting for who i think is the best candidate....I'LL VOTE FOR WHO I WANT thankyou

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The BNP are far too extreme in many of thier policies, unfortunately, the main parties are far too lax where it matters, if the bnp are gaining votes, that is testimony to how disappointed folk are in the main parties, NOT that they want the bnp to win any seats. I said in another thread, the bnp is looking a better option all the time to some, if they are gaining votes, then that is exactly what I expected from the many voters who dont actually consider WHY they are voting and for WHAT, except in rebellion against the present government.

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Excuse Me? The BNP are a legitimate party, I hope they remain a legitimate party, they offer nothing I want, but, if there are people out there wishing to vote for such extremes they should be given the chance.

If, as is likely they get nowhere then we all have, from any other party won, if however as some seem to think, they are a threat, it is only because the free thinking people of this country have been panicked into silence.

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think i'ts a frustration vote against Mainstream because for many years the Mainstream have not listened, they have dictated, hopefully now there will be a change in attitude.
I think the change should begin with the abolition of local Cabinets and let all councillors have their say in what goes on, not just the ruling party?

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I am not fooled at all......I am quite capable of looking at situations and coming to my own conclusions.
Having lived on this earth for a long time, I have accrued a modicum of common sense(although I prefer to call it application of knowledge)...and I don't believe everything that is fed to me by the media, spin doctors or politicians.
This is especially true in the current climate.

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There is a lot to be gained by switching off and unplugging your TV.
I did just that a week ago.
When I decided that all that was transmitted was lies, it became more like sick comedy tv every day.


PS I still watch NCIS on my PC - mind purification takes time too :D

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Voters are outraged by the expenses arrangement that allowed some MPs to exploit countless loopholes and profit from the tax payers money however the BNP would be far worse as shown by the partys long history of financial irregularities outlined in a search light report presented to the house of commons in December 2008.

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Sorry, but you are just as bad, they spread smear and propaganda, how are you any better?

Pick the bad of each party and we have nothing but bad, why not look at the good proposed by most parties and combine?

O.K. before someone tells me, I'll go back to my fantasy world, at least it's better than this one!

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BBC NEWS | In Depth | Vote 2004 | North West European Election Result

5 years ago the bnp came 5th in the polls with near enough 135,000 votes. As its proportional representation .. if traditional labour and conservative voters dont go out and vote ... in a rebellion against the mps expenses etc .. then what would happen ... they could get in ... and would you like a bnp euro mp?

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gotta say jen, whilst i despise the B.N.P. that might just be the wake up call the main ******* need if it happened.

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People are indeed angry at the mainstream. People want to protest vote, but there are other parties to protest vote for rather than the BNP whom breed hatred.

Hope Not Hate.

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I find this interesting ... I don't think we have an equivalent ... have to go back to the 20s and 30s when the KKK were very active and very popular in Saskatchewan and Alberta ... What kind of people vote for them? Do they have a solid constituency that can be identified? Maybe I could google it, but would rather hear real opinion.

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Labour tend to suffer more at the hands of people switching from them to BNP on the whole. The problem is that they're a party of hatred BUT they also have a range of populist policies which are not racist, and which people like.

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im voting ukip:) never voted for them before but i know the:) candidate:Dup here

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Bigots,Fools,n Misguided *******, hope that answers yer question eric.

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20 days until voting day and I've had one leaflet through the door, from a Green Party geezer.

For all I know, he's the only bloke standing, so I'll vote for him :D

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Ok ... I think it is the last part which is dangerous ... reminds me of the Reform Party over here ... they changed into the Conservative party and incorporated the remnants of the old Progressive Conservatives ... in Canada the populist, right-wing parties come out of the rural areas, mainly western Canada ... once they are into the mainstream, they tend to shed most of their nastier elements and extreme, right-wing positions ... is there a possibility that this could happen with the BNP?

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Unfortunately, that could apply to a lot of politicians ... maybe most;):D

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That is a very valid point.

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that could be possible, doubt it very much meself, a Psycho is a psyco simple as.

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Pure propaganda:rolleyes:

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sensible and rational people, were probably saying the same thing about the National Socialist Party of Germany in the early 30's!:rolleyes:

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Nail right on the head Mancie.

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I think that post is well justified and hopefully the ones who may be tempted will sit up and take note.

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You want people to take note of something mancie says, ha ha ha......:D

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the easiest way to defeat them and remove them is for current govenment to sort the imigration mess out and clamp down on it to a satisfactory level

that is assuming theres a lot of people fed up with imigrants bleeding our benefits system and NHS system dry or i may be alone in been fed up with it

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You're not alone with that thought and we all know that the mainstream parties haven't got the balls to sort it out.:(

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Before I vote for any party I like to know who is financing their campaigns
ie - who will they have alliegence to and be beholden to if they win?

James Goldsmith. Goldsmith's father Frank changed the family name from the German Goldschmidt to the English Goldsmith. The Goldschmidts, like their neighbors and relatives the Rothschilds:eek:, had been prosperous merchant bankers in Frankfurt, Germany since the 16th century. James' grandfather Adolph came to London as a multi-millionaire in 1895
James Goldsmith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Now that is bad news - who trusts any banker's motives anymore?
He is now deceased but the Rothchild connection persists

Paul Sykes (born 1943) is a British businessman, political donor, and associate of the eurosceptic populist politician Robert Kilroy-Silk.
He is a vehement opponent of the European Union and is noted for his belief that it represents a conspiracy to create an undemocratic superstate.
In October 2004, he was estimated to have donated £6 million to eurosceptic campaigns.
Paul Sykes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That news is a bit better:) - a self made man with working class roots.

So on current info I will be voting UKIP

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I think thats too heavy a subject to be discussed on open forum and Roy will be having kittens about the legal rights and wrongs to debate it.
I think we all have our own ideas about that but the way to tackle it is to wait what the Gods of Westminstere come up with at the next General Election, if there is enough of them left.
The Local Elections and Europe Elections will give people an indication which way the country is lead and from there if the people get a say or not.......A think the Dictator is wabbling.

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Problem is that people have short memories, and it seems like the 30s have become "history" ... even tho' it is within living memory for many, and for many others what happened in those evil days was learned from their parents and grandparents. It is good to remember that "those who ignore history are condemned to re-live it".

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Eric...In the UK you will have a problem if you call a German...Adolf...That is not politicaly correct. :rolleyes:

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Women voting for proper representation in Europe will ensure womens Rights are upheld and the BNPs Misogyny is not welcome. Richard Branbrook BNP member stated recently, the answer to the recession was for women to stay at home.

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Is that not the doctrine of the Taliban in the Kyber as well?

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Nick Griffin is one of the biggest deniers of the holocaust, describing it as a hoax of the 20th century.

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It makes you wonder if the prevention of mass human slaughter is not high on his lst of priorities? :eek:

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no surprise there..if voters find the BNP policy on immigration attractive, then they should also take on the real aim that comes with this party, that is a doctrine of "purifiction" of Britain...plain and simple even people who's families where born here decades ago but happen to be of dark skin will be "eliminated" from Britain by whatever means.

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Threads like this - that essentially use the same tactics as the targeted party - won't do any good. The content in posts from the thread starter is hollow and unconvincing.

Take a look at any BNP literature and you'll see the laughable propaganda and utter lack of facts in their persuasion. They have no reasonable ground upon which to gain votes.

Good argument from good people with good ideas will eradicate protest voting for this organisation of hate.

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I get what your saying..it all looks like propaganda against a certian party and sometimes it can backfire..but my last post was on based on comments openly made by Nick Griffin a couple of weeks ago.

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My comments are based on fact and this thread was only to raise an awareness of the european elections and some background regarding the BNP to enable people to make an in-formed choice. I dont feel the content in this thread is unconvincing. Regarding your statement reasonable grounds to gain votes perhaps not however they are gainning votes that is a fact., thats why people need to be informed.

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The BNP are currently on 4% in the polls.

Tories: 28%
Labour: 22%
LibDems: 19%
UKIP: 19%
BNP: 4%

The protest party appears to be UKIP having gone up 12% this week!

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While most of us recognise that the aim of your thread & subsequent posting is good at heart, I think the content offers very little factual evidence or logical reason for 'keeping BNP out'. Such practise leaves it open for BNP sympathisers to retort with equally emotive propaganda.
Can... open... worms... everywhere.

I think your posts vastly underestimate the intelligence of the voting public and people reading this forum; common practise of people with political interest.

But who am I to hold up the Barrett alliance :D

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Nick Griffin is and always will be a prat. I think what people are trying to say here is that they are capable of making their own minds up, and to be honest , Turkish Delight only ever pops up when there is something a little contentious to discuss.
The whole point of our freedom of speech and freedom to vote is just that, no one should tell us otherwise, I would never dream of voting for a party that is sexist/racist/ ist in general, we have a long history of people fighting and dying for our right to vote, and vote as we see fit. It isn't rocket science, the biggest crime against our democratic system is those who are too apathetic to cast their votes.:rolleyes:

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the "protest vote" in the Euro elections is bound to be for UKIP..but I can't get my head around why people vote for a party who's candidates openly say they will take no part in the European Parliment.. it's giving a well paid job to someone who ain't even gonna turn up for work!

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Do any of them turn up for work?

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Andrew has quoted 5 parties in the poll he posted. Now perhaps I'm being too pedantic but would that not mean you inform us of all the parties manifesto's so we could make a proper informed choice ?

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The aim of all my postings is meant to be good at heart and with good intention. Difficult to give all the factual evidence on here due to it being in so much detail. My posts were not intended at all to underestimate the intelligence of anyone, their could be some reading the forum that arnt aware.However point taken.:)

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I ain't got a problem with people making their own minds up when it comes to politics..but this thread is small meat when taking into account the anti Labour stuff posted everyday....freedom of speech maybe the only last claim this country can hold up as what we have left in our civilisted nation...but there is our honour at stake, and when anyone can call for violence and discrimination against people who live in this country then the law should take over..but the BNP get away with it by quoting the freedom of speech laws..when others would be marked as traitors!

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at least I can look the bloke working next to me in the eye with the knowledge I aint stitched him by voting BNP!;)

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This is where all TD's posts come from, however, doesn't matter does it ... we all get our information, quotes from other people in the end.

http://www.unison.org.uk/stopthebnp/

Note the avatar ... LOL.

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Of course they are where else it has to be fact, im not making this up.:)

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Maybe from your own head/heart?? Rather than just quoting chunks from the Unison website.

Will reiterate what others have said. Credit us with some intelligence, and allow us to make our own minds up. Anyone who doesn't know what the BNP have to say must have been asleep for 20 years.

Biggest chance of BNP ever having the slightest chance is NON VOTERS...ring a bell?

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well if thats the case kate, where do mine come from?:D;)

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You are the exception in a million Cashy .. :D

It's all been said in the above posts, we will make our own mind up at the end of the day, however, if it has given a few people a little guidance as to there idiocy, so be it.

Think was very brave of TD to do this in the first place, although not without influence methinks.. :)

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well thank you kind lady, its bin quite a while since anyone said that.:bow8::)

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Thanks for that quote. I can honestly state i have not been influenced by whom your thinking and have never discussed the subject. Its a subject ive been working on now for a couple of weeks and researching also interacting with many individuals and thats how im aware a large number of people dont really understand fully the policies of the BNP and their implications.

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Don't doubt ya T.D. surprises me, though it shouldn't when ya take into account how many think corry n eastenders are true.:rolleyes:

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Ok .. fair do's TD .. no hard feelings I hope.

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Thanks. No hard feelings at all and respect to you. I can understand why people may think i have been influenced not a problem for me but i will only speak the truth.:)

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The large number of people(who do not understand the impications of voting BNP) that you work with, must be of limited intelligence, that is all I can say.
And I think that Caz is right......not voting at all lets these morons in.

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That may be true Margaret, but voting is a right that has been hard fought for costing many many lives over the years in many parts of the world. Thing is though is that the people who have the right to vote are intitled to vote for whom they want whether we in general do not like those voted for. If those that they vote for hold beliefs that they do then they will vote vote for these people. They are not always idiots but those who stand by what they believe in.

We could not change anyone who want to vote BNP or force them not to any more than we could force or change Andrewb be from his convictions or political beliefs. I do not agree with AndrewB's political beliefs but that does not mean that I would force him to change just to suit me. The more we target the BNP for ridicule the more ammunition this can give them. I am not saying that they should be ignored but a bit more subtlety is needed. There is a need for counter arguments to these people that they understand and will find useful in weighing up the pro's and con's.

The point about not voting to me is an insult to those that gave their lives for this right and need re-educating in my view. It is not as though there is insufficient time to vote as polling stations are open for 15 hours. I have worked shifts in all forms and allways voted so cant see what is stopping others it only takes a few minutes to make your mark and participate in the future of or country whether for good or ill.

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I dont work with these people.:):)

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Rgarding statement must be of limited intelligence not a very nice comment to make about individuals and the general public whom im actually refering too we are all different.

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like yer good self she's just telling the truth.

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You don't know me but if you did work with me mancie believe me you would know my views, I don't hide.:)

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Some people are of limited intelligence so what is wrong with saying it?
Come to think of it we are all of limited intelligence unless you class yourself has having unlimited intelligence?

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point taken. I just guess its something i wouldnt state, to me its kind of an insult.:)

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Why, do you have limited intelligence? :p

I know I do. :D:D

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then ya must have never been really insulted? lucky lady.:D

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Actually never in my life. I guess i must have been lucky.:)

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Spuggie, I get your point...but to be honest I think it has all been said.......I don't think that this post can be improved or expanded on in any way......all of us will vote in the way we think is the best for us.......and some will not vote...despite the fact that people fought for the right to vote.......they do not see it as relevant to their own lives....or perhaps they feel ill equipped to judge and make a decision.(these may be the voters that the BNP will sweep up)This is my last post to this thread.

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O.K. so people think BNP & such folk have limited intelligence, maybe the ground troop's, but the ones running it know exactly what they are aiming for, divide and conquer, get the rest of us so frustrated the best alternative would be them.

Protest as much as you want about their ideals, but don't even consider pushing them underground, whilst they are still, a 'Political' Party they have to keep the rest of us informed, better to see what they plan/hope for, than to force them off the political platform and never know what they might plan.

Extremists of every sort need to be watched by us all.

As has already been mentioned, the best way for them to succeed is for the potential voters to ignore their rights and allow these people's advocates to suddenly be in control.

Let them speak before and at every Election, we then know, what we are voting against!

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not too sure the ones running the bnp would tell exactly what they are aiming to do, as the national front developed they certainly kept things from the suckers, this lot to me are just n upmarket version.

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A couple of years old, but an interesting read none the less, and does feature Nick Ericson, he of the rape/sex quote.

'Nick is indeed a dedicated party activist. His real name, however, is Nick Eriksen. He is 47, a former civil servant, and he once served as a Tory councillor in Southwark, south London. An intense man, with bitten nails and a permanent frown, he appears forever to be on the brink of losing his temper.'

The Guardian journalist who became central London organiser for the BNP | UK news | The Guardian

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Don't think it always works this way ... there comes a point when people vote with their emotions, their frustrations, their fears, their anger etc. Often support for these parties seems to defy reason. I'll offer a Canadian example: the wackier right wingers and rascists in Canada quite often come from the rural West, a place where one finds very few visible minorities ... hell, in Saskatchewan, the only blacks are those who play football for the Roughriders.:confused:

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From the Unison site:

The BNP in your workplace
On 22 April this year NHS nurses spoke up in the Nursing Times to defend their right to be members of the BNP.
"The British National Party is not in any way, shape or form 'racist' and this terrible smear is indicative of the extremist, far-left, totalitarian ideology behind Unison and its Labour connections."
"The British National Party is a legal, registered, political party. It does not tolerate racism or hate in any form, and seeks to protect the history, culture, human rights, and future of the indigenous people of the British Isles."

Didn't you once say you used to be a nurse Margaret? I'm sure all your ex-colleagues will agree with you.:D:D:D

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Perhaps the majority would agree with her how many rotten apples does it need to taint the whole barrel?

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Yerself, you are quite right.......I was a nurse.
Since I know my ex colleagues and you do not, I stand by my original thoughts.
My ex colleagues would not support the policies of the BNP....and are quite astute at making judgements......unfortunately I do not know the people who the Nursing Times quoted, and so I cannot vouch for their skills in making judgements......besides the term 'Nurse' can be applied to unqualified carers(though legally it should only be ascribed to those who have a recognised qualification).

What was stated is correct......the BNP is a legal, registered political party....as for the rest.....well they would say that wouldn't they?

And Less, you are right about rotten apples...it takes very few to taint the whole barrel.

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That was definitely my last contribution to this thread.

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Is this because you know all you want to or cant be bothered learning anything else???? :p

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Wit all the warm brown smellie stuff sticking to polititions at the moment people wont vote and the percentage of the minor/outlandish parties will rise. This will be because those that vote for them will not be offset by those that could have but didnt vote. Unless the turnout increases then the results will give the impression that we are going down the extreme route.