Cameron on state multiculturalism.
 

A genuinely liberal country "believes in certain values and actively promotes them," Mr Cameron will say.

"Freedom of speech. Freedom of worship. Democracy. The rule of law. Equal rights, regardless of race, sex or sexuality.

"It says to its citizens: This is what defines us as a society. To belong here is to believe these things.

"Each of us in our own countries must be unambiguous and hard-nosed about this defence of our liberty."

He will say that under the "doctrine of state multiculturalism", different cultures have been encouraged to live separate lives.

"We have failed to provide a vision of society to which they feel they want to belong. We have even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run counter to our values."
BBC News - State multiculturalism has failed, says David Cameron

Genuinely shocked.

At last.

A politican who appears to have grown a pair, and who seems intent on facing up to this issue, which is a great worry for many people. A subject treated by most politicans as being untouchable.

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It is a refreshing change, but I will wait, because so far it is only words.......this topic needs action.....and urgent action. I am not sure that the pair he has grown, will give him the testosterone required to make the leap from words to actions.

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Can't fault what he is saying G but will the dogooding Guardianist's also take this on board, doubt Pole Dance Polly will be jumping up and down screaming his praises :rolleyes:

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'Mr Cameron suggested there would be greater scrutiny of some Muslim groups that get public money but do little to tackle extremism.'

'Ministers should refuse to share platforms or engage with such groups, which should be denied access to public funds and barred from spreading their message in universities and prisons, he argued.'

It's a start, and certainly better than the deafening silence, most politicans have been happy with.

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Spot on G, the first place to start when it comes to funding is the National Lottery, which seems to like fund weird groups at the expense of charities such as the Blind Society:mad:

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i reserve judgement till i see if he follows what he says, or it will it be another case of icant do that because its against the law:rolleyes:

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As stated, it's a start.

At least someone has realised dialogue should be started about this problem.

Withdrawing state funding from organisations who perpetuate separatism, is more than talk.

Thirteen years, and three consequtive governments were quite happy with the status quo, and were too afraid to tackle the issue.

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my worry(if you can call it that) is that this may be just one of those 'sound bites' that Tony Blair was so fond of.......it is what he thinks the electorate want to hear.......and then it will be followed up by more sound bites, none of which do anything.

Is what he is proposing do-able? Well, he could always make a bigger step and take us out of the EHR fiasco.......this would show that he means what he says.....failing that, it is just words, which can be blown away like chaff in the wind.

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You might be right.

It might be empty rhetoric.

But the fact remains, no leader of any mainstream political party has even talked publicly about any of these issues.

Ever.

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already the Muslim groups are howling racism.

It would be good if muslim people, would stand up and be counted when atrocities which involve muslim extemism occur, but it doesn't happen...this lends the feeling that they are complicit with what is happening.

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Probably soon to be joined by the wooly liberal elite. Many of whom have profited from state funded separatism.

I've read many reports in today's news, and haven't seen one single thing that could be defined as racist, or more properly, anti-Islamic.

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agree with you there how or who is going to judge if they are linked to extremists,then there is the race relations act they need to get round the equality law to get round etc.hes already been encouraging faith schools so he already has been doing the oppsite;)

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Pretty easy to "Talk The Talk" much harder to "Walk The Walk" i will see if he delivers, have me doubts, very large doubts.:rolleyes:

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Like I replied to Margaret, you might be right.

The fact remains he said it.

No one else has.

Remember weasley Jack Straw on the Nick Griffin Question Time?

Three times Dimbleby asked the former Home Secretary if Labour party policy could in any way be responsible for the rise in support for extremist political parties.

Three questions completely ignored.

Silence.

At least Cameron has brought this issue into the public arena.

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I expect he will be backpedalling on this issue inside a week (even if he may well be right on this issue).
He does seem to have a tendancy to impetuous rhetoric.

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That has always been my sentiment to Margaret, no matter what happens the leaders of the muslim communities only pay lips service to condemnation, Terrorist (Islamic) always use the name of god in their propaganda, never do you here these words denounced by muslim clerics. All this crap about bombers going to paradise, why don't these clerics rant and rave and shout it from the rooftops that those who commit these atrocities in the name of god, will burn in the flames of hell and not in the haven of paradise:mad:

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hes already doing the opposite by encouraging faith schools with public funding. talk is cheap

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Ya I tore my hair out for years listening to Blair Brown and their henchmen

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:d:d:d:d

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I've said before, if I ws a local Mullah I'd be organising public demonstrations, showing that Islam has been hijacked by the few, as an excuse for terrorism, and political ends, and that the vast majority of British Muslims are law abiding citizens.

Nothing.

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Exactly, they just play lip service, the odd comment in the local press, its no use saying most muslims are peace loving, because it only serves to enhance the saying not all Muslims are terrorist, but nearly all terrorists are Muslim :mad:

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True but was said in Germany, lets see if he opens his gob in the House oer here? ;)

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not true theres a good wack of irish dissidents that are ready to bomb..

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sometimes i wonder what planet yer on, yes there are irish dissidents, but a good wack, yer joking not in the same league.:rolleyes:

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you havent got a clue about irish/ ulster/uk politics the threat from irish dissidents is just as high as from islamic extremists fact as which was discussed on december on the parliament channel.

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yeh have just added stupidity to yer list of attributes, as anyone who knows me will see.:rolleyes:

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whats the rest ? 2 security alerts in 2 days in ulster the security services know something big is going down..

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I spent near on 3 hours reading the comments following the Cameron article in the Indie this morning. Yes it sounds good, someone actually raising the issue (A PM at that) that so many are aware of but afeared to speak out about less they be branded racist, bigoted, xenophobic.

But words are just that, words ! Unless he actually sets into motion actions which will back his rhetoric the man will remain a lying deceiver courting the populist opinion.

He has made this bold statement now set the wheels in motion, please ! It is long overdue & should be applied equally & liberally to all aspects deserving of this cutting away & cauterization of a festering wound.

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Ya that Ian Paisley has a lot to answer for:rolleyes:

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As you said Dave he's made his bold statement, nobody over the last few years has even managed that, oak trees and all that;)

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G, you are right about the muslim faith being hijacked by the extremists.......that should be enough to get the clerics blood boiling, the fact that it doesn't raise anything, not a word, an eyebrow, a response, is taken to be that the muslim clerics agree with the acts of extremism.....and until the moderate muslims speak up, then it will remain so.
It cannot be racist, xenophobic, or anti muslim to raise concerns....it is common sense. Alas, I fear it is too late....like the trojan horse, they are within the fabric of our society....and as such are difficult to track down and even more difficult to eradicate due to the daft EHR judges who will most certainly rule against any action that DC might feel is appropriate.

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Of course Margaret it is common sense, but try telling some of these idiots, some of them journalist's who cry racism every time anybody opens their mouth on the subject, I have no doubt that Cameron will come in for some imminence flack by sections of the press, I just hope he sticks two fingers up to them and I don't mean in Churchilian mode either;)

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I am sure I have read something from the British Council of Mosques which castigates DC for his stance...citing islamophobia......but as I say, until these people stand up and denounce the extremists it has be thought that they condone what they(the extremists) are doing.

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No doubt the BBC will be wheeling out Mr. Bungawolla or whatever he's called from the British Council of Mosques to stick his two penath in, think they have him on a retainer;)

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Funny how none of the opposition soldiers have yet commented on this?? to me its one of the reasons the election was lost.:(

If you weren't such a lazy Tory you would have Googled before posting!
Mr. Bungawolla is the representative for all things African.
(less walks away muttering, "just can't get the correct racist these days, come back Enoch").

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Knowing that some politicans are masters of speaking 'untruths', lies to the rest of us, there's a fair amount of scepticism, that his words turn into action.

It might well be a lot of hot air, but the fact remains he actually said it.

It doesn't matter where that was. He'd have known it would be widely reported in the British press, which it has been.

Empty rhetoric or not, the fact remains that no leading politican, nevermind a leader, from any of the main political parties, have ever spoken publicly about these issues. Cameron did.

I'm sure lots of politicans, who've kept their traps firmly shut about this subject in the past, probably think he took an enormous risk by bringing it into the public arena, by even talking about it.

After all Cameron has a high profile Muslim in his own cabinet, Baroness Warsi. A politican happy to jump up and down demanding equality. Just as long as it fits in with her view of what being equal means. She doesn't think same sex couples should have equality, for instance, because she strongly opposes peoples' right to enter into a civil partnership, if they so wish, granting their union legal equality with that of married straight couples.

I am genuinely happy Cameron's become the first mainstream politican to talk about this subject, and at least realised it is an important issue for many people.

If it turns out to be a case of more guff, and meaningless platitudes, I'll be the first to attack him.

We'll just have to wait and see, but I'm happy the subject has at least become a newsworthy story, and therefore a public debate.

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It has certainly got people talking, and that is no bad thing.
I really do hope that DC has some ideas to implement, that will show he is not just 'all talk'.
Divorcing us from EU legislation would be a fine start.

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The last Tory to speak out against the excessive immigration programs which have blighted much of the country was Enoch Powel - and he was ostracised for it, notwithstanding that he spoke the truth! Cameron is very good with his wordplay, but when push comes to shove, he will undoubtedly scamper off into a dark corner with his tail between his legs.

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Two different issues.

Powell's speech was about immigration, this is about state aided multiculturalism.

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The guy I'm on about as a name sumat like that and this chap is definately a spokesman for the Islamic Council:p

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Jonh...think you mean Inayat Banglawalla.....he is something to do with the Muslim Council for Britain....he has been on the BBC speaking on a variety of issues concerning muslims.

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I agree, like the £1,850,000,000 the lottery has wasted on the 2012 Olympics.

I have recently received to letters from a lottery funding basicly saying thank you for your funding bid but we dont have enough money in the pot so you cant have any.

These were for less than £100,000 combined (can't remember the exact figures without looking) so 2 parks in Hyndburn, Rhyddings Park and Peel Park will be missing out. Its ok though, you can watch the Olympics on TV for a couple of weeks instead, well worth it :mad:

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You need to change your name.

The White Liberal Supremacist Friends of Rhyddings Park could be holding you back.

;)

:D

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I quite agree.

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Don't see what all the fuss is about. He said nothing that any citizen of the United Kingdom could object to. He merely affirms the values that all British citizens should reasonably be expected to hold.:confused: He's talking nothing more radical than tolerance, and respect for democracy and the rule of law .... maybe hinting at the separation of church and state, but even that can't be considered radical or inflaming. Doesn't even come close to what the Premier of Quebec lays down for new immigrants and minority communities, particularly muslims.

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Could be wrong but the impression i get,is the locals think keep stum,as its not a local issue! well if so i got news fer em, i know many local people who regard things like this as summat that really matters, so if they think silence is golden- wake up n smell the coffee.:rolleyes:

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I reckon they don't say anything because like all progressive, liberal leftwingers they totally disagree with what Cameron said...but they daren't actually say that, as it could lose them votes at the next local elections

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that i think may be near the mark, foolish though cos stony silence i think may lose more.:(

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Which ironically, keeping silent, will lose them even more votes.

Odd bunch.

Loving the sound of their own voices, normally.

Yet when leadership is actually needed, quieter than Marcel Marceau, playing musical statues.

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Problem for 'em is, they're caught between a rock and a hard place. They can say what they really think...that Cameron's views are Islamophobic and divisive etc etc, and all the other stuff that you'll see in the leftwing press over the next few days, or they can do what they usually do...studiously avoid these threads and hope it all goes away.

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Plus many would argue that they were wrong, if that was their conclusion, including me.

My parents raised us to always speak up, if we believed something to be true, and that it was cowardly to remain silent.

Debate's healthy.

Silence isn't golden.

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To be fair, until today, the silence has been deafening from the all new, caring/sharing right too.

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was brought up the same way, perhaps its outa fashion?:rolleyes:

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Exactly...so far everyone on this thread has been in broad agreement that Cameron was right to say what he said. However, there are plenty of Labour politicians and others on the left who will disagree with him. I'd genuinely like to hear their views, as it makes for a more interesting debate.

Unfortunately the only person who might make such views public is Mancie...but then again, he can say what he wants, as he's no votes to lose. ;)

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There are plenty in the new, carry/sharing, hug-a-hoodie Tory Lites who'll probably disagree with what Cameron said, including members of his own cabinet.

Let's hear 'em all say what they really think, for a change.

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Probably, but I'm talking about Accyweb politicos...and, as we all know, Tories are somewhat scarce on here, caring/sharing or otherwise!

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There's actually quite a few Conservative councillors post on here.

Nearly as many as th'opposition.

;)

Though I wouldn't like to say how much they either care, or share.

:rolleyes:

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Didn't Angela Merkal say the same thing months ago ... seems its "a case of Monkey see Monkey do" only this time from a Munich beer hall/Conference Center instead of the Reichstag :eek: :rolleyes: ;)

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A Labour politician did speak about what Cameron said..

"Sadiq Khan, a prominent Muslim Labour MP, accused the PM of “writing propaganda for the EDL”."

David Cameron accused of far-right propaganda by saying UK too tolerant of extreme Muslim beliefs - mirror.co.uk

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Pity you didn't give your viewpoint,but hardly surprising.:rolleyes:

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Is it not taken as given from the quote I just posted?

I agree with what Cameron said and it's pathetic that these issues can't be raised without someone jumping up and denouncing him as a far-right extremist.

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'Insiders say Cameron, along with education secretary, Michael Gove, the home secretary, Theresa May, and the security minister, Dame Pauline Neville-Jones, accept there has been too much of what the prime minister calls "passive tolerance" of extremist groups in recent years, while Nick Clegg and Baroness Warsi, the Tory party chairwoman, prefer a more multicultural approach.'
David Cameron's attack on multiculturalism divides coalition | Politics | The Observer

Has the Conservative party chairperson, Baroness Warsi, commented yet...publicly?

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Well thats what I said Margaret init:D:D

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'David Cameron’s speech today at the Munich Security Conference came as a breath of fresh air after the debacle of Baroness Warsi’s controversial address at Leicester University, which did not carry the endorsement of Downing Street. In contrast to the Conservative Party chairman, Cameron addressed the issue of Islamist terrorism and extremism head on, and delivered a speech that was far more in tune with the views of the British public. Warsi’s crude and condescending depiction of Britain as increasingly a nation of bigots in the grip of “Islamophobia” was hugely out of touch with Middle England and most of her own party.'

David Cameron versus the Islamists: the Prime Minister throws down the gauntlet to a deadly enemy – Telegraph Blogs

Can't find any of her comments myself, so far, but look forward to reading them when she does.

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Ya but just think the benefit you've gain Neil, being able to attend the Royal Ballet and the National Opera House every month, you can't have it both ways mate;):rolleyes:

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This is what she's said according to Fury as Labour 'smears' David Cameron after he attacks multiculturalism | Mail Online

Labour MPs then weighed in by accusing Mr Cameron of inflammatory timing for making his speech on the day when the EDL was marching in Luton.

But Tory Chairman Baroness Warsi described Mr Khan’s remarks as an attempt to ‘smear’ the Prime Minister as a Right-wing extremist.
‘This is outrageous and irresponsible,’ she said.

Condemnation: Baroness Warsi described Mr Khan's comments as outrageous and irresponsible

‘David Cameron has made it clear he wants to unite Britain around our common values, and he has done so in measured language.

'It is right that we make it clear: extremism and Islam are not the same thing. Mr Khan ran Ed Miliband’s leadership campaign. He must apologise and Mr Miliband needs to disown his colleague’s baseless accusation.’

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Its not actually that they have not been on AccyWeb as they have been very quick to comment on "local issues" yet something which gets the attention of virtually every person in this country either local or national, the silence is golden

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Oh right, she's toeing the party line, to give the illusion of unity.

Judging from her past statements, it would be interesting to know the Baroness's thoughts...off the record.

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...and the Tory councillors we have as members on here, now quite numberable, have been different how?

:rolleyes:

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Off the record G is there such a thing these days:rolleyes:

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You could find that come May some rolls might be reversed:rolleyes:

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As stated earlier, I'm genuinely suprised, and happy, that Cameron said what he did. Being the first high profile politican to do so.

I hope he continues to suprise me, by turning words into action.

Having now opened the can of worms, I am quite hopeful.

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You mean some eggy cress eaters will be having tuna butties, and visa versa?

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Ooooh! cross dressing comes to accyweb.

May as well move this thread straight to the 18's section.:)

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Who's going to get their hands on the muff?

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Well, of course he would say that wouldn't he?

It is time some of the moderate muslims(where are they all anyway?) came out and agreed with what is being said.

If people choose to live here, to bring up children here, to claim benefits here, to get health care here....then they should have the courtesy to integrate......not to try and develop some kind of muslim state for themselves.....or to try and change the way we live so that their way of life can be accommodated.
This is not racism, it is common sense.

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If only the editorials of the Independent and the Guardian agreed with you Margaret, we might just stand a chance:rolleyes:

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I think they all live on my street, not only are they moderate but they must be tolerant to put up with me!
:D

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Still not a single comment from any local councillor, Labour or Tory, either for or against Cameron's views.

I predict that the only councillor who will comment will be Ken, whose views on matters like these bear scant relation to Labour party policy anyway.

Pathetic. :rolleyes:

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Tolerant Less, they must be bloody saints:D:D

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Well there is know political points to score Wyn,

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Have you any influence on them at all Less?

Wouldn't they stand up and be counted against the extremists?
Because that is what is needed....for every moderate muslim to stand up and proclaim their stance against extremism.....but it won't happen, culturally they won't go against their own kind...no matter what atrocities are committed in the name of Islam.

For goodness sake, many of them don't even speak our language.

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Wrong religion, besides I keep promising them 74 Virgins, they know I must be joking because the reply is always, "where you going to find that many? Can't be from around Accrington".
:eek:

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About as much influence on them as I have over my white neighbours, we aren't missionaries you know, we all live here and get on reasonably well.

I don't know, but if you are really curious you could go knocking door to door to find out.

For goodness sake, hardly ANY of us have ever bothered with a second language!

Our idea of communication is to shout at the natives when we are abroad, even when we move there to live.

:confused:

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You've more bottle than me making a statement like that Less:D

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I don't think that is strictly true........many of us learn languages to go to holiday destinations......we might do it badly.....we might even feel very uncomfortable speaking it....but we try, and in trying, we endear ourselves to the locals....who then take pity on us, and show us that they do speak english......if only a little, and a common respect is born out of this.

That has been my experience anyway....and I go off my own experiences.

I am pretty sure that if I moved, lock stock and barrel to another country I would either choose one where english is spoken, or I would make a concerted effort to learn the language, enough to let the indigents know that I was trying to integrate........I certainly would not expect to have my adopted country to make changes to its culture, to accommodate mine.

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Thats what I said, natives

Less wanders off mumbling to himself about, PC madness, it's everywhere can't even have a prejudiced conversation without it rearing it's ugly head!

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Not really been following this thread...oops!

For what it's worth, I agree with the sentiments. There is absolutely nothing racist about wanting a strong national identity, Scotland has it, Ireland has it, Wales has it....in England it's a bit of a sticky wicket sometimes due to some wonderfully PC thinking. For years we've had different communities forcibly rammed together and it hasn't always worked because of the one thing which people still fail to recognise - we're all different. It isn't a bad thing, I can't imagine anything worse than a world where everyone is the same, but people resist having things forced on them.

Naturally, it's a good opportunity for many people to cry 'racism' but I can't see the problem with the Prime Minister of Great Britain wanting to protect the country he is head of. Time will tell if it's just empty rhetoric but I can't criticise Mr Cameron for standing up and saying what he thinks.

I'm not going to disagree with something simply because it's from a non-Labour politician.

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Natives...indigents, (they are only words)......Less, mutter away, but I think you are being a bit pedantic....as far as I am concerned, and in the context of the thread,it means the same thing. That is, unless you have any other ideas.

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Hooray for that!

It isn't much good the local politicians argy bargying about this subject.
Although it is good to know their views.
What is really needed is a much wider discussion from the national politicians.....that would be far more enlightening.

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Told you Ken wouldn't let us down. If only all politicians were asopen and frank as he is!

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yes...spot on there.......but I won't hold my breath waiting for it to happen.

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Good at last you are thinking.
:)

by the way, you don't have to swear to describe me in simpler terms than pedantic, clever dick would have done just as well without you proving that you were also being pedantic by using the word pedantic.
:D

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The term 'clever dick' just didn't occur to me......mainly because I really didn't think you were being a 'clever dick'.......I thought you were splitting hairs.....but pedantic is shorter to type....so, No, I wasn't being pedantic at all. I was conserving energy.

Oh, and I am glad you approve of me thinking.

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Same as Nationalist, Racist, Xenophobe, Bigot, Islamophobe, Homophobe Ad nauseum ! Just words, which are to easily hurled about by some who can't & don't want to face up to the realities facing the Country & her People. For far to long a minority have dictated & ridden roughshod over a populace who on the whole managed to get on well enough with all kinds, all colours, all persuasions & all genders without the need for it to be enforced by law.

But this wasn't good enough for some & as such "those that know better" have plagued the rest of us with a multitude of legislation & moral codes that are there for our "own good" ! Really ? I'd suggest that these imbeciles have a good hard look at the state of the Nation, truly look & see what all this mindless enforcement has brought about ! Greater division & mistrust, a deeper seated but less "out in the open" obvious intolerance, Thanks !!

I served in a "British Military" with Jockeens, Paddies, Taffs, English, Commonwealth Lads & occasionaly Lasses all from different backgrounds, Countries, faiths & colours too & shock horror, we got on !!! Without a raft of legislation to adhere to & slavishly enforce ! All due to a sense of fairplay, shared aims & goals, a unity brought about by our really & truly being in it together as a team taking on all challenges unified !

The Country has been engulfed in its own seething & loathing brought about by enforced regulation which ultimately is more divisive. Now at last the wound has been shown for the festering open sore it is & the cleansing balm of common sense & reasonability is now being prescribed. If not the cure at least it's a step in the right direction of healing the seeping lesion of isms & phobes. The process will not be without its pains & difficulties but better that than what we currently have surely ? For all our sakes this really needs to work. Now let the Man be judged by his actions or forever be reviled !

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That's very unfair Less I have been proficient in speaking two languages for years now English and Gibberish, and I'm not bad at French when its needed but not the tongue used in Paris:D

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I actually don't class Ken as a politician, because he doesn't stand on party lines, thus the reason he's the only one with the balls to post in this thread, well up to now anyway;)

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Like you Dave, I worked with Doctors(and nurses) of all colours, creeds and opinion.
The common aim was to ensure that we looked after our patients...like you, we had a common goal, which brought us together. We not only got on, but we had a laugh, we enjoyed working together for the common good. We respected each others feelings, beliefs and values......not because we were told to, but because it was the right thing to do....the respectful thing.

It seems to me, that today divisions are magnified, unrest is fostered......why might this be?
Isn't a fearful population much easier to manipulate and control? Induce fear....then the governemnt of the time can be seen as saviours when they step in and do something about it.......except they haven't yet.(done something about it) Just a thought.

Re: Cameron on state multiculturalism.
 

What you have said is very true Margaret, but the reason for the failure is not so much the government of which ever colour but the numpties who make issues out of race where there is none, those clowns born and bred in this country from a white background who take it into their heads that things like Christmas and Easter will upset other religions now being practiced in this country, which in reality it's a load of cobblers, for want of a better phrase. Numpties working in big city Town Halls making these decisions want removing and putting out to grass, then and only then will common sense prevail:mad: