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cashman 24-09-2012 22:20
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Well after watching Panorama tonight the tories have really helped the schools,:rolleyes: Probably done more harm in 2 yrs than Labour did in 13.:rolleyes:

kestrelx 25-09-2012 00:09
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1019090)
Well after watching Panorama tonight the tories have really helped the schools,:rolleyes: Probably done more harm in 2 yrs than Labour did in 13.:rolleyes:
That was terrible - but weren't the seeds sown in Labour years?

Regardless the schools should be protected from those crooks. Their scams were similar to what criminals used to do in the 60's - you set up a bogus company, build up a credit rating until you can get goods on HP and then go bankrupt and keep the money from selling the goods. That computer scam was very similar.

Eric 25-09-2012 04:54
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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1018910)
Oh come on Jay, did you really have to quote all of his post just to say that?
Just think of how much space you're taking up on the overworked servers?
:(
Yup ...especially as he doesn't seem to have read the post.:rolleyes:

jaysay 25-09-2012 08:43
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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1019103)
Yup ...especially as he doesn't seem to have read the post.:rolleyes:
Why read again the diatribe spouted on here time after time by Jockstrap and is pal down London;)

Houseboy 25-09-2012 08:51
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1019012)
I ain't wasting my time wade through crap that's been pedalled out for over two years, what you wrote has been repeated dozens of times before;) if you'd care to read it would save you even bothering repeating it again and again and again
The problem is, Jay, it does need repeating over and over again until people realise just how undemocratic, arrogant and downright slavish in their attitude to the wealthy and privileged they are.
Even on TV last night they were yet again being criticised for being arrogant and out of touch with reality.
It's not just me saying these things, Jay. They were given a chance at the last election and, with the help of the spineless Lib-Dems, are leading us to God knows where. But it ain't out of recession, that's for sure.

Houseboy 25-09-2012 09:04
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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1019038)
Houseboy, yes I am a capitalist and therefore right wing, unfortunately that means you and others on here believe that to be a blue through and through.
I watched the last Labour government act just like their predecessor. In some ways worse, the off the balance sheets PFI deals Gordon and Tony made with their new best friends the Bankers. Plunging our health service, schools etc into massive debts and creating a time bomb of debt for years to come.
Let's face it Gordon Brown in the first term, blew away £2 billion pounds by selling over half of our Gold Reserves when the market was at a all time low.
Very shrewd.
So are the current lot any better?
Who knows, we will only find out in years to come.
Personally I feel that all politicians should be taken outside and .......
Don't disagree with your last point at all (about politicians, etc.).
The thing is you and I are probably the opposite sides of the same coin. You are right wing without necessarilly being a Tory (if I read you right) and I am left wing whilst being quite a way from being a Labour supporter just now.
Capitalism is fine if it is kept under some sort of control (that is where the "mixed economy" (prior Thatcher) came into it's own. But left unfettered it descends into what even some Tories in the past have described as the unacceptable face of capitalism.
Unfortunately I fear that that is what modern Toryism has become.

jaysay 25-09-2012 09:14
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Originally Posted by Houseboy (Post 1019121)
The problem is, Jay, it does need repeating over and over again until people realise just how undemocratic, arrogant and downright slavish in their attitude to the wealthy and privileged they are.
Even on TV last night they were yet again being criticised for being arrogant and out of touch with reality.
It's not just me saying these things, Jay. They were given a chance at the last election and, with the help of the spineless Lib-Dems, are leading us to God knows where. But it ain't out of recession, that's for sure.
Your Problem is just the same of the likes of C'Mon, Mancie and company, your all in denial, no doubt if you'd have been a member during Labours years in Government you wouldn't have said a dickybird either about their abysmal management of the countries finances, the first post C'mon made on politics was after May 2010 prior to that his only interests were the Dog Stabbers of Accrington, and all you've don't is kept referring back to Thatcher, and you blame me for keep harping on about the past Labour administration. It's rather strange that during Labour's office they did not repeal one legislation brought in by the previous government, why if they opposed them so much, could only mean they endorsed them.

Houseboy 25-09-2012 09:27
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1019131)
Your Problem is just the same of the likes of C'Mon, Mancie and company, your all in denial, no doubt if you'd have been a member during Labours years in Government you wouldn't have said a dickybird either about their abysmal management of the countries finances, the first post C'mon made on politics was after May 2010 prior to that his only interests were the Dog Stabbers of Accrington, and all you've don't is kept referring back to Thatcher, and you blame me for keep harping on about the past Labour administration. It's rather strange that during Labour's office they did not repeal one legislation brought in by the previous government, why if they opposed them so much, could only mean they endorsed them.
The problem is that modern Toryism (which is the main problem) started with Thatcher and it is very difficult to make a critique of it without reference to her. In that sense she looms large over the whole political scene even to this day.
As for being in denial, how wrong can you be? You have said yourself that you can't be bothered to read my "diatribe". That means that you have missed the numerous occasions that I have said that I am definitely not happy with the Labour party and will never argue in their favour if I believe them to be wrong.
The Labour party, much to my irritation, didn't repeal any of the major things done by Thatcher and since but if you look at political history in this country you will find that that rarely happens on either side. Case in point: why have the Tories never done away with the NHS and state schooling despite their obvious idealogical hatred of both?

Houseboy 25-09-2012 09:45
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Just a quick point on my last post. I said the Tories have never done away with the NHS and state schooling, which is true in the context of my argument, but they certainly are trying to dismantle them, which I suppose emphasises my point about their hatred of them. To do away with them up front would be political suicide of course.

jaysay 25-09-2012 10:05
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Originally Posted by Houseboy (Post 1019142)
Just a quick point on my last post. I said the Tories have never done away with the NHS and state schooling, which is true in the context of my argument, but they certainly are trying to dismantle them, which I suppose emphasises my point about their hatred of them. To do away with them up front would be political suicide of course.
So lets see then your offered a job and one of the perks is private health insurance, I presume you'd turn down that part of the package on principal then:rolleyes:

Houseboy 25-09-2012 13:16
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So lets see then your offered a job and one of the perks is private health insurance, I presume you'd turn down that part of the package on principal then:rolleyes:
Actually yes, and I have. The problem with private medicine is it is extremely limited as to what it can offer. If any major things need doing they shunt them off to NHS hospitals and push there patients in front of NHS patients, which of course, morally, should never happen. If we are going to have private medicine in this country then okay, I don't have a problem with that. But the private medical companies should be made to invest more of their profits into making there own hospitals able to cope with all problems. Never, in my opinion, should the two co-exist. The only reason they do use NHS hospitals is quite simply because they are better. Private hospitals are okay if you have a relatively minor problem and want to stay in a hotel.
I have in the past accepted private dental care because it was the only thing available at that time (thanks to the Tories) and it meant I didn't have to pay. I can now say that I am now in the care of an NHS dentist, and very good he is to.

cmonstanley 25-09-2012 19:55
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offerd a job, the tories are trying their best to make people never to work again.have the tories gave up on their ideology of people owning their own home :eek: as they try and dismantle every permanent job by destroying workers rights and creating an atmosphere of fear.everything that has been great about britain is being destroyed by the enemy of britain within.

jaysay 26-09-2012 09:22
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offerd a job, the tories are trying their best to make people never to work again.have the tories gave up on their ideology of people owning their own home :eek: as they try and dismantle every permanent job by destroying workers rights and creating an atmosphere of fear.everything that has been great about britain is being destroyed by the enemy of britain within.
Where do you work these days C'mon:confused:

Less 26-09-2012 09:45
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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1019240)
offerd a job, the tories are trying their best to make people never to work again.have the tories gave up on their ideology of people owning their own home :eek: as they try and dismantle every permanent job by destroying workers rights and creating an atmosphere of fear.everything that has been great about britain is being destroyed by the enemy of britain within.
What an absolute pile of gobmanure!
The Tory's want me to find a job, the system in place insists that I look for and find a job as soon as possible, that I agree with.
What I don't agree with is being forced to accept an insecure, temporary, underpaid job just to improve the unemployment figures, because I'll only end up back on the dole when the employer has finished using me.
:(

Eric 26-09-2012 15:05
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If you can't stand the Tories, if you can't trust Labour, if you believe that the Lib-Dems are a joke, if you can't stomach the UKIP, why not vote for something completely different?

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I'm sure a candidate like Stan would get Tealeaf's vote:rolleyes::D


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