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Do you think it is time to pull the plug?
It would be very interesting to know how much Greece have paid into the EU and how much have they had out?
Greece can't afford to be in the Euro. Neither can we.

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Not really any of my business any more, but am I wrong in thinking that the EU is not really all that good of an idea. Apart from the economic issues, the question of democracy looms large ... ironically large in the case of Greece. If it is that unpopular, why the hell don't folks just tell their governments to opt out.:confused: The economic union thing I could accept; but all the political bs that goes along with it: I don't be thinking so. We can live with NAFTA ... it has always loosely and unofficially been there. In fact, it's hard to do without it, considering that the Province of Ontario alone trades more with the US than does China. But closer political ties with the US, no way.

By the way, my answer would be sink.

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By the way ... If Greece goes, will there be some sort of domino effect.:confused:

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Many ordinary folk would happily say shove it, but unfortunately those in power won't let it happen, they just bully & browbeat the populace, or like Ireland make them vote again until the desired answer is achieved or the case of UK where despite promised referendums the public are pushed by the wayside & ignored.

I do hope so, there'll be some pain & whining but every new start is painful but the stronger nations will be able to pull away from the dross & set their Country to rights.

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Any country that employs more public sector than private will be struggling.
Speculators will loose thousands but I don't think that will hurt anyone.

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Not sure about Dominoes but they ain't getting their Marbles back.:hehetable

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Cute:D

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if they go, a lot of investments, pensions will take a hit.

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Why

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read reduced wealth BBC News - Why Greece's problems matter

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One things for sure if Greece defaults on loans or cannot pay it won't do the UK economy any favours as Greece owes the UK at least £5 billion...Eurozone nations like Germany and France will suffer most and even though the UK is not a member of the Euro we still ended up "loaning" billions to bail out Ireland. :(

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Not much mileage in that Mancie, our trade with Ireland means we have a chance to get our money back. Greece no chance.

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Get our money back from the Irish?.. they ain't as thick as we like to think.. seen the price of a pint of Guinness these days? :D

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As regards our Dago and Wop friends around the shores of the Med - whose only occupatios appears to be tax evaision and pointing laser lights - then let those illigitimate sons and daughters of bitches rot in hell.

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:hidewall::hidewall::hidewall::hidewall::hidewall: :hidewall: gordon brown kept us out of the euro:eek::D

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Good to see you can always get a level headed ,well thought out opinion of our European friends on Accy Web! :D

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Blimey, happy we're off to Menorca, rather than Greece for our hols.

BBC News - Greece protest against austerity package turns violent

I think soon, the chance of actually being able to spend your Euros there will be slim.

Better off taking stick, stones, or any other weapons. Which can then be bartered in exchange for goods and services.

I'm sure there'll be plenty of locals willing to take them off your hands.

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I wonder how many of that lot rioting on the streets of Athens tonight are OAP's? The retirement age in Greece is 58, while that in Germany - who have been making the biggest contribution to the Greek bail-out - is 67. No wonder our Krout cousins are not happy bunnies.

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Withered and wrinkly, paper thin skin.

White whiskers.

Like tiny black bats.

Have you seen Greek women?

Their thirty equates to a northern European eighty.

Give 'em a break, they should be allowed to retire at 29.

:D

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That's what eating kebabs do to you.

Have you seen some of the women around Accy recently? The big fat 'uns, 29 going on 80.

Maybe Accy should twin with Athens.

We could build a panopticon structure on top of t'coppice, and call it the Accyopolis.

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I remember when I lived in Hassy a young Italian last used to come in the local, she was a very pretty girl, but she knew it, until one day one of the lads pulled her up for acting a bit snobby and just said remember I've seen your mother lovey:D:D:D

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Yes, Nature's cruel.

She always makes you pay for what she bestows.

:D

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I've always wondered what that lass looks like 30 years down the line:D

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Have you ever seen your prostate gland?

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Talking about prostates and the like, I guess one good thing about this is the the Grecs will now shut up about having 'their' marbles back.

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Doubt it T, they'll probably be shouting louder so they can get 'em back & pawn 'em to raise a few bob ! ;)

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No...it's simple enough. We give 'em a once and final offer...10bn euros cash, to be paid into the Bank of England by friday. Otherwise they can forget about it, in perpituity. Alternatively, we'll take the rest of the marbles off their hands for fifty quid.

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If the Greeks default and quit the Euro, they will have some short term benefits. The Drachma will be worth zilch; so their exports will receive a boost. And tourism will go through the roof. On the downside, lots of European banks will take a kicking. Major financial institutions will be replacing the toilet paper in their washrooms with Greek government bonds.:eek:

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If, there's the contentious word, there was a referendum over Europe, I'm sure most people would vote to not even be in an economic union with the mainland continent now. Nevermind being part of some federal United States of Europe.

Our economy shouldn't be connected to so many fragile countries. Ones that have had civil wars in living memory, and have been run by military dictatorships, or even fascist despots.

Soon, we can look forward to having a country of 75 million join the mix, when Turkey is admitted, and even though the majority of the country is in Asia.

All political parties are too scared to give people a chance to decide our involvement with E.U...because they know as fact what the result would be.

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You've got the remember that the Greek banks are very much in hock to funding their own governments debts, if they had to ditch the Euro there banking system would totally collapse

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Probably right. So it becomes a choice between "total collapse" and "inevitable meltdown":rolleyes: But I'm willling to bet that the bankers aren't going to suffer much.

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BBC News - Greece crisis: MPs approve drastic austerity measures

Looks like they've taken the best option Eric or the best for a bad situation

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i know im daft but how are they going to pay the money with no jobs to raise tax no corporation tax trying to rely on the tourist industry to raise revenue this is going to end in disaster no way can they afford to pay it back .

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Self-awareness is a wonderful thing. ;)

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Can I second that before DinG gets in:D

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Just a little aside, the party in power presiding over Greece's present problems is Panhellenic Socialist Movement (Pakos) since the introduction of the Euro in 1999 they've had 2 goes of ruling the Country with a short lapse between 2004-09 when the New Dems (ND) were in power.

Now have a ponder on that. :rolleyes:

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And your point is ? :D :D :D

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Beat ya to it:tongueout:tongueout:tongueout Its not everyday our scottish numpty admits he is without prompting

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Au contrair, mon ami ! :D Every time he puts pen to paper (figuratively speaking) he does a damn fine job all by himself without let or hindrance. :idunno:

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but im not a socialist:eek::p

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I reckon it all started to go down hill in the 70's
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Sorry Communist :rolleyes:

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It looks very likely that Greece will be the first domino to fall.

A collapse of the world banking system will follow.

The banking rats have started to 'abandon ship' and take their golden handshakes.

Bankers resignations over the last few months... | Nominedeus

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I read last week that the Foreign Office is recommending that ex-pat British should register with the British Consulate. They obviously know what is coming.

I feel so sorry for the Greek People. I wonder if any will pity us when it is our turn?


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Rioting is never justified but homelessness and hunger make it understandable.

Don't be complacent, be ready for if it happens here...... (again)

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MargaretR, you've cried wolf and forecast the end of the world so often I've stopped preparing for it! If you're right and it all happens I'll be caught out and blame you!

The inevitable ending to this 'Greek Tragedy' is becoming more obvious as the days go by but the world will survive-'Tomorrow is another day'.

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I have never forecast the 'end of the world':rolleyes:
but to the materialistic money grabbers it may well feel like it.:D

Money is an invention to reward work, and enable easy distribution of food , goods and services.

Local currency systems have been set up in some places, which are out of the reach of B.w.ankers.

There is always barter - just ensure you have plenty of stuff to swap until a new style monetary system is established in your locality.

A moratorium on debt would be nice for all those who have been fleeced by this failing system:)

If you have (while you still have:rolleyes:) a nest egg, stock up on barterable goods - especially non perishable food - there are plenty of folk who already have.

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You may not have forecast it but you sometimes make me wish for it!

I was once offered two camels and a goat for my wife but now?

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didn't you know camels had been devalued Gordon....and goats.......well, they can't give 'em away :D

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I was thinking the same about my.......No, better not.

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You'd never get a camel in your garden shed....and they stink too much to have them indoors:D

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They spit as well, or so I am told. Mind you if you dry their baba in the sun it can be used as fuel for the fire. Well, I suppose it would make an interesting change from nutty slack.

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Stink, spit? I wonder if I'd notice any diff.....no, better not go there either.
On the positive side if you can't give them away I might get a whole herd of camels and goats- must book us a holiday, according to MargaretR it might be a good idea to get a taste for camel

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I buy goats milk instead of cows milk.

Goats have different digestive systems from cows and are 'fussy eaters' (like me :D)
Whatever they eat ends up in you. Some of the junk fed to cows (think BSE) would not be eaten by a goat.

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If I find grass in my milk I'll sue Asda!

Don't goats eat boots, fences, hankies, your hand, anything they can get their teeth into?
Cows milk sounds safer!

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Well, I hope the Greeks manage to hang on to their goats, they're going to need them if even a fraction of what I read comes to pass.

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Today I read that a contingent of German tax collectors is being sent to Greece.

They are gonna love that:rolleyes:

What Hitler didn't finish Angela will.

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The Greek have goats? Perhaps I should hold off booking that holiday- I might get a better deal in Greece in a few weeks!

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I said a while back-'Be afraid'.
They're running Greece and Italy, that didn't take them long, three more obvious ones lined up then only twelve to go.

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Remember to take your wellies:D

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Wales is nearer and MargaretR says you can cuddle sheep!

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When I was just a slip of a girl(many moons ago) a neighbour kept goats........they ate Ma's drawers off the washing line and nibbled at the babys' nappies too....at least they were clean nappies!

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I wouldn't try it if I were you mate, they can get very possesive about their sheep in Wales. You might find yourself on the recieving end of a very nasty eisteddfod.

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As a student I spent a couple of summer working on a lesbian farm in Cornwall.

Part of my job was tending Ninny the goat.

She ate a pair of espadrilles, an antique oil painting, and the complete works of Truman Capote.

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A goat with good taste? Just the sort I'd like!

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I didn't know they farmed Lesbians, Do they fetch much at market?

Clearly a goat with taste.

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I told you they had good taste, diddle I?

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Pedigree Dutch ones do.

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She did.

It was a two year battle of wills.

She was very stubborn.

Ninny put up a good fight.

Though I eventually won.

I miss her.

I think that's why I like playing with the ninnies on here.

:rolleyes::D

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Stewed or casseroled?

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Curried.

:golly:

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Poor Billy - servicing Edwina isn't fun - ask John

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And what about the pedigree butch sorry dutch?

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Aparently Ken likes goats too. seems to be a popular pastime here in Rishton. Never fancied it myself, must be something in the water.

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Countess?

She lost too.

My Dad threatened her with legal action, when she didn't pay me.

Silly cow.

;):D

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I thought you said she was a lesbian? Where do cows come into all this? There's far too much livestock wandering around here.

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A whole gaggle of lesbians, three female whippets, four female cats, Ninny the goat...and me.

It was a misanderist menagerie.

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Sounds like too much mucking out for me dear. But then you have always been pretty handy with a shovel haven't you?

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Yes, it was good training.

Though thankfully I could retreat back into my bolt-hole.

In Mousehole.

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You know, my great aunt Alice always used to say that you and your shovel were the talk of Moscow Mill Street. She was amazed the number of tunes you could get out of it.

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Yes after that experience I was well known for my shovel work.

It was that, that secured me the position of cabin boy, on the good ship Venus, the following summer.

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I didn't know you had trod the boards dear. I must have been in a coma that year.

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I was under Joan Littlewood for my formative years, and achieved critical acclaim as a downtrodden waif.

I was destined to be big.

Sadly for the stage I was whisked off by a nob.

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Aunt Alice said you were a bit of a devil for the nobs. Apparently she went to her grave without replacing them. Touching, that, I thought.

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Yes, the days of a downtrodden waif, being led off by a nob, to a life of idleness are no more.

Nobs aren't what they once were.

I blame the Premiership.

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The Prime Minister as well! You can't trust anybody these days. A flash of cheap brass and it's liberty bodices to the four winds.

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Old bloomers are better than liberty bodices.

Bit of elbow grease, and your nobs should come up a treat.

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You used to be able to buy that in cans, made specially for nob work.

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People haven't got the time to spend buffing their nobs nowadays.

They come fully sheathed.

No need to rub.

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Ninny the goat, I though he played for Man United:D

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Well we all know what the figure head and the mast were on that good ship:D

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Eeee the wonders of modern science! But I miss the old days though. you knew where you were when you saw the old coal man heave his sack on his back.

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And featherlite too:D

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Ours could only do that with coke.

Wasn't all happy toil, in the olden days.

Many would spend a good part of the day bent over double.

Or on their knees.

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I knew they had to be off their faces on something. Just the thought of it brings tears to the eye.

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A hazard of the job.

A lot of them went down with it.

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Which accounts for lumbago and housemaids knee. but where does tennis elbow come into this?

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Ladies singles.

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Back to lesbians again?