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I might be wrong, but I don't think the Council's Standing Orders have any provision for the altering of resolutions within the six month period in the event of Nuclear Attack.

With our new found International profile, it is something that Management Team should address urgently.

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So what was the council resolution then?

Well, Yet another thing I'm not allowed to vote on, it seems my vote was wasted, instead of the simplton that used to be in charge we have some sheep whom would rather vote for some wishy washy ideal that local councillors are not voted in to have anything to do with just because it suits a very iffy member of their party.
I think in future I may just consider the BNP not because they are my party of choice, but because at least they may represent the majority not the minority.
(I can't believe I've been forced to say this!)

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No this was much later 2001;)

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No T what I was saying was the the Kashmiri question was being talked about in 91 not a resolution

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Working nights makes me dimmer than usual so I feel I need to ask my learned friends to explain this matter to me.

I watched the video above and it appears there are 2 sides. Those that were kicked out of the region and those that did the kicking out.

Which side do we now support, the ones that were murdered and raped and were living in the tents or the murderers and rapists?

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Oh it's easy to work out which side we're now officially on.

The side who have relatives working as councillors on Hyndburn Borough Council.

Doesn't matter who committed which atrocities.

Forget that.

We support the ones who have kin living in the borough.

Simple.

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How many voters is that then :rolleyes:

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Must be worth it.

Whatever the number.

For all involved.

They'll probably be shared out.

After this cross-party treachery.

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7000. Enough for the swing votes in at least half a dozen wards and therefore enough to deliver control of the council.

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Ethnic status given to Kashmiris | Accrington Observer - menmedia.co.uk

'HYNDBURN'S Kashmiri community is to be officially recognised as a separate ethnic group by its local council.
Of the 6,000 people in Hyndburn who would class themselves as Asian, 70 per cent would prefer to be known as Kashmiri.

Manager of the Scaitliffe Community Centre in Accrington, Munsif Dad said: "We hope that recognition will mean....'

Votes, Cllr. Dad?

Does it mean votes?

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Equality and Diversity in Hyndburn

'At Hyndburn Borough Council, we are committed to ensuring all individuals and groups are treated with respect and valued equally.'


Rubbish.

I don't feel my rights have been respected.

I most certainly do not support ANY side in the conflict in Kashmir.

There's been too human rights violations committed by all the factions involved, for me to want to give my backing to anyone.

I would like to be respected enough that you reinstate the benches outside the Market Hall, so I, and other people who may need a place to sit, can do so.

I do think you have a problem with one particular word in your mission statement.

That word being 'all', when referring to the people of Hyndburn.

Your actions are divisive, not inclusive.

That's not respectful to anyone.

Equality and diversity

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It's now being reported throughout the world, the news of what our councillor's did on our behalf last Thurday evening.

Google search 'Hyndburn Kashmir'.

See the evidence for yourself.

:mad:

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I have often thought that councillors from the Asian community are assigned, so that there are representatives on both sides of the political divide, I honestly think that if there was a liberal presence on the council there would be a liberal Asian councillor too, or am I just being over cynical;)

Is this some sort of twinning event that has occured?
I suppose it could be worse, if for example we had twinned with Jamaica just imagine the amount of our money wasted as all our Councillors volunteer to go on, 'Fact finding jollies'?
I don't think many of them will be in too much of a rush to do a tour of duty around this place.

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Just checked some of this stuff out ...

Can't figure out what is going on over in the UK:confused:

Somehow don't think this is what Lloyd George meant when he talked about a "Land fit for heroes" ... more like a land fit for ethnic special interest groups, politically correct morons, and deaf, corrupt politicians;)

Oh, and assholes:alright:

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I'm so genuinely disgusted, not only that even one minute of council time was wasted discussing this non-local matter, that I've emailed a link to one of the news agencies carrying this story, to all the major newspapers in the two countries involved, Pakistan...and India.

As well as sending them a link to the story, I've also stated that as one of the 76,221 residents of Hyndburn who 'don't identify themselves as Kashmiri', I most certainly do not support Hyndburn Borough Council voting to support a resolution backing Kashmiri self-determination.

I made it perfectly clear this action was not carried out in my name, and I condemn the atrocities all factions in this conflict have carried out.

You never know, perhaps my email might be passed to a journalist at the Times of India, who understanding the concept of balance, gets on the blower to H.B.C., and asks them their side of the story.

Hope so.

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More likely you'll have a fatwah issued against you :(

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Does it come with chips?:D

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By saying I don't support any particular faction, and condemn the horrific acts of violence carried out by ALL sides in this conflict?

I'll take this risk.

I'm sure H.B.C. will offer me sanctuary if that happens.

:rolleyes:

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Though the only replies I've had so far, have been from Indian newspapers.

Odd, that.

:rolleyes:

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And curry sauce:D

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Dailymotion - Pakistani terrorism in Kashmir 1 of 2 - a News & Politics video

Dailymotion - Pakistani terrorism in Kashmir 2 of 2 - a News & Politics video

Interesting films about this conflict.

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Four replies now.

All from India.

None from newspapers in Pakistan.

Strange, that.

:confused:

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I will, though when earlier today I wrote to all the leading Pakistani and Indian newspapers, stating that this wasn't done in my name, and sending a link to one of the news agencies now carrying this international story, I did mention that I was one of the 76,221 Hyndburn residents, who don't 'identify themselves as Kashmiri'.

Apparently they number 4,200.

Ethnic status given to Kashmiris | Accrington Observer - menmedia.co.uk

So presumably, our council voted to officially support this resolution in their name.

Even though the 4,200 are residents in Hyndburn, just the same as everyone else, and I thought the council said we are all supposed to be equal.

So you'd have thought Hyndburn Borough Council would be encouraging us all to identify, first and foremost, as Hyndburnians, seeing as they our local council.

Being so divisive doesn't foster thoughts of equalness.

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Mmmmm .... "what it means to be a Kashmiri living in Hyndburn" ... let me think about this one:confused: Maybe it means you are a hell of a lot better off than a Kashmiri living in Kashmir .... kind of a no brainer, eh:rolleyes:

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Ken Hargreaves presented a petition about it in 1992.

Mr Kenneth Hargreaves, former MP, Hyndburn - TheyWorkForYou

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He did, as did Greg Pope, who added his name to various Kashmiri lobbyist group's campaigns.

Shameful isn't it?

Taking sides, when appalling acts of terrorism, and human rights abuses, have been carried out by all opposing factions in this dispute.

Just because politicans of both major parties have pandered to a minority of Hyndburn residents, who according to themselves,' identify as Kashmiri', does not make it right.

In my eyes, it most certainly is not right.

As stated, I support none of the warring factions, this resolution was not adopted in my name, and I totally condemn the attrocities carried out on both sides.

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I don't advocate sitting on the fence normally but it's best to leave certain things well alone if they are outside your competence. International affairs belong in the Central Government.

Since there are so many factions involved and the shadow of terrorism is very real and constant in this case it is not wise to take too strong a stance on one side, leave diplomatic affairs to those who are well versed in them. Local affairs for a local council -not that difficult, avoid the firing line!

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Some, who voted they represent them in Westminster, might expect their M.P. to have an interest in intermational issues.

I'm yet to meet anyone who thinks it right that a local borough council involve itself in controversial matters, thousands of miles outside the borough's boundary, in other countries.

Nor do I know anyone who agrees it's right that local councils be so easily duped, by those who might have a vested interest, so their official support can then be used as propaganda

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Well I always thought that when people came from overseas to settle in this country was to improve there lives, not carry on banging on about what is happening back home, to me if they were that concerned why not stay home and help change things from the inside not the outside looking in, just my thoughts on the matter;)

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Ya I remember Ken being involved with this, but he was taking it up on behalf of certain constituents, which actually is what he's was elected to do, but why the council singles out a small group for special treatment is very strange to me

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An interesting read.

AFSPA revocation: Where angels fear to tread : Gaurav C. Sawant - Headlines Today Blogs

Proving there are always two sides to every story.

Everywhere except in our council chambers here in Hyndburn, it would appear.

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Ya would appear;)

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The O/L edition of today's Accy Observer has not mentioned this story. Is it by any chance in the hard copy?

If not, then all I can say is what a pathetic little rag it is.

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No, it isn't.

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I was just going to say that G....I have scrutinised the paper from cover to cover and can find no mention of it....though my lamps aren't as bright as they used to be...so I am glad of your confirmation of its absence.

Strange that isn't it...normally such stuff is trumpeted from the roof tops...maybe they are all reading Accyweb and reddening with embarrassment at their naivety.

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There's been some interest from Baba.

A journalist, in Delhi.

:)

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Still waiting for the minutes of last Thursday's full council meeting to be made available, so we can see which of our councillors voted to pass this resolution.

I thought someone in the know might have popped on, and posted the information.

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Rum 'n that Baba fellow...:D

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'That this Council supports the Kashmir community here in Hyndburn in condemning the atrocities committed and acts of barbaric violence by Indian Forces in Indian occupied Kashmir which has resulted in women been gang raped, children lined up and shot dead in front of their parents, people been torched and set on fire in their jail cells.'
http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...to_Council.pdf




'The Union Home Ministry has already received reports on several black deeds, inhuman activities and human violations committed by terrorists in Kashmir in the name of Islamic Jehad. The Vice-President of BJP, Mr. Krishan Lal Sharma, President of J&K unit of BJP, Prof. Chaman Lal Gupta and Mr. Vijay Kumar Malhotra, former Chief Executive Councillor, have demanded that the Government should place on the table of Parliament the report, prepared recently by Union Home Ministry, on the victims of terrorism in Jammu and Kashmir so that the world came to know about the inhuman and black deeds of Pakistan and her agencies in Kashmir. This report carries details, submitted by the intelligence agencies and the police which confirm reports of direct involvement of Pakistan in sending foreign mercenaries and terrorists to Kashmir not only for loot and guerrilla warfare but also for mercilessly defiling the prestige and honour of the nationalist families.'

'Mr. Dinesh Sharma, a journalist, has in his report, given a startling information. According to him activists of all small and big militant outfits, whose number is around 150, have raped girls and some of them have been tortured with weapons and with hot iron rods. This is a slap on the face of those human rightists who cry loud in the international political circles while accusing the security forces for human rights violations. It is worth maintaining here that while the Union Minister of State for Internal Security, Mr. Rajesh Pilot, who keeps on paying frequent visits to the valley, claims improvement in the situation in Kashmir, on the other hand the reports being received by his Ministry reveal that Kashmir is gradually becoming a hell.'
CONVERTED KASHMIR: Memorial of Mistakes




Two sides to every story.

Except in Hyndburn's council chambers, apparently.

Where they, on our behalf, have voted to officially support one side in this conflict.

Despite there being evidence of human rights abuses, and vile attrocities being carried out by all those factions involved.

Disgraceful!

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Anyone with any common sense at all, learns this lesson as a child.





'Why did you do it?'

'He's my friend, and he's got a gang, and he told me to do it.'

'...and If he told you to jump in the canal, would you do it?'

http://smilies-gifs.com/eng/yes-no/3yes-no.gif

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Having read some of the stuff on here, which of our councillors will be big enough to propose a motion at the next council meeting to reverse the motion passed at the last council meeting, in light of the information now known.

Could be a big brownie point scorer :)

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'Human Rights Watch has previously reported that torture is routinely used in Pakistan, and that acts of torture by military agencies primarily serve the purpose of "punishing" errant politicians, political activists and journalists. Azad Kashmir is no exception. Though torture is not commonplace, it is threatened often, and-when perpetrated by the military-is carried out with impunity. Human Rights Watch knows of no cases in which members of military and paramilitary security and intelligence agencies have been prosecuted or even disciplined for acts of torture or mistreatment. This report documents incidents of torture by the ISI, and by Azad Kashmir police acting at the ISI's and the army's behest.'
?With Friends Like These?? | Human Rights Watch

Oh I'm sure they will Lancsdave.

Fair's fair.

After all H.B.C. do say...

'At Hyndburn Borough Council, we are committed to ensuring all individuals and groups are treated with respect and valued equally.'

Equality and diversity

Which presumably applies thousands of miles away too.

Not just in the borough.

Now that our council's devoting it's time to playing it's part on the international world stage.

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Quite right,but oer the years i have learnt wi those who drop a big un= "Ignore it,n hope it goes away" thats a more likely outcome if the absence of comment on here is owt to go off.:rolleyes:

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You mean which 12 of our 35 Councillors.

Extract from the Council's Constitution:

A15. PREVIOUS DECISIONS AND MOTIONS

15.1

A motion to rescind a decision made at a meeting of Council within the past six months cannot be moved unless the notice of motion is signed by at least one third of all members.

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I have read a good deal of cloth-eared, ranting sh1te in my time, I have written quite a bit of it too, but the above takes the bluddy biscuit.

Leaving aside for a moment the controversial nature of the Motion. What has happened to the standards of the English Language when documents presented to an English council for their consideration cannot even be written without grammatical errors and spelling mistakes? Which bluddy numpty wrote the above drivel? And, more to the point, which brain dead functionary typed it?

Is it surprising that HBC is a world leader in getting absolutley everything arse-upwards when they have such a perfunctory grasp of their own language?

As to the content of the motion and the action taken by councilors in passing it one phrase springs most readily to mind...

MORAL COWARDICE

Too fearful of criticism from the rabidly separatist muslim minority they knuckled under and gave their support and imprimatur to a group of people who have no respect for the rule of law or the human rights of anyone who dares to oppose them.

Well I hope that you are pleased and proud of yourselves councillors. Because you will now bear part of the responsibility for all future terrorist outrages in Kashmir and the Indian sub-continent. I hope that you can live with that on your consciences.


Bluddy amateurs the lot of you, you make me sick!

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Will anyone, more savvy than myself, please tell me how to obtain the minutes from last week's full meeting of the council? (10-11-2011)

Which will hopefully list which councillors voted to pass this resolution.

I'm sure there must be away to obtain this information, without wasting anyone's time, asking for it under the Freedom of Information Act.

All I can get access to is last Thursday's agenda.

Thank you.

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And another thing. If I were leader of the Conservative Group on HBC (things would be very different, believe you me, but that is another story) I would be suggesting to this Dad creature that he urgently consider his position on pain of being awarded The Order of the Boot for having brought the council into disrepute.

If we still had a Town Clerk, this would not have been allowed to happen. But, instead, we have a grossly overpaid (in my opnion) Chief Executive whose sole achievement to date appears to have been keeping Britcliffe and Jones far enough apart that they were unable to scratch each others eyes out.

You really couldn't make this stuff up, no one would believe you. Who needs fiction when you have HBC.

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What our council have done is already being used, to add weight in propaganda, by the side we are now officially supporting.

UK’s Hyndburn City Council expresses support to Kashmiris' Right to Self determination ~ Assassin News Network

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This is an extract from the above piece:

Dr Misfar Hassan, the County Councillor who lobbied the Labour group for this resolution expressed gratitude to the Leader of the Labour group Mr Miles Parkinson, Councillor Munsif Dad, Councillor Ciaran Wells, Councillor M Ayub and all members of the Labour Group in the Hyndburn Council for supporting the resolution.

So it looks like all the Labour lot voted for the motion.

Disgusting, sickening and pathetic. No wonder none of 'em dare show their faces on here any more.

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Since the Observer don't think this newsworthy, as well as every newspaper in Pakistan, and India, I've just emailed the Lancashire Telegraph.

All those responsible for this, should be held to account.

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Assasin News Network. I like the little youtube video titled 'Tahir-ul-Qadri Exposed-The Hypocrite Celebrates Christmas and calls Christians Believers!'
Unfortunately I couldn't understand him but I take it the Assasin News Network don't approve of him, Christmas or Christians.
What have HBC got themselves mixed up in?

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Oh yes, undoubtably this is cross-part idiocy.

Presumably the 4,200 in Hyndburn who 'identify themselves as Kashmiri', would have been shared out, judged on whoever had been the most eager, to be bent over and used like a simpleminded trollop

You can bet your sweet bippy if it hadn't been, one side or the other would have already bleated their innocence by now.

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Yes it is available to everyone online.

Council Constitution - Articles of the Constitution

No provision for recall elections, I'm afraid

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At least in the eighties, when loony left councils voted to support quasi-terrorist groups, fighting in some central American country, they at least had the excuse that they believed in the same political ideology.

The brain dead numpties we have, haven't a blitherin' clue what they've voted to officially support, and have just been naively, and stupidly used, to add weight in a propaganda war.

That's ignoring the fact that this is nothing at all to do with Hyndburn, and local issues.

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Well we will just have to take a scatter gun approach...

Councillors, Ken Moss, Harry Grayson and Clare Cleary this is just for you.

I will not give you my vote under any circumstances, ever again, unless you publicly disassociate yourselves from this ridiculous and shameful motion.

And that goes for Graham Jones too.

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Cheers for that one Gynn.

Here then is an excert from the Constitution:

13.2 Principles of decision making

All decisions of the Council will be made in accordance with the following principles:
(a) decisions will be proportionate (i.e. actions must be proportionate to the desired
outcome);
(b) decisions will be made after due consultation and taking of professional advice from
officers;
(c) decisions will show respect for human rights (see below for further details);
(d) decisions will be made with a presumption in favour of openness;
(e) decisions will be made which show a clarity of aims and desired outcomes.
(f) decisions will explain what options were considered and give the reasons for the

decision

In respect to 13.2 (b) - could anyone please provide details of the process of this decision being made with, and after, due consultation with officers. If that has not occured then this decision is unconstitutional and as such should be struck off.

In addition, can anyone possibly explain how this decision is compatible with articles 13.2 (a), (c), (d), (e) and (f)?

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Well maybe the Obs have an excuse I do know one of their local reporters hails from I think its Connecticut good old U S of A

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HBC has finally hit the national press:

£1,000 on the spot fines for people who fail to clean up dog mess - Telegraph

Looks like HBC will penalise one lot of people for causing chyte but support another lot.

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Mentioned this on another thread, they can't deal with a few drunks in a no alchohol zone of a few hundred sq yards, would love to see them chasing dogs all around Hyndburn

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Yeah...but it's the Telegraph bit. A pity their reporter did not pick up on the story of the council launching it's foreign policy initiative.

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What I don't understand is that an Observer reporter was sat there, Tweeting the proceedings, and missed the significance of what they were doing.

Whoosh.

If I'd have been fit, and had been at this meeting as planned, after being invited, perhaps me taking my shoes off to throw at them, and shouting abuse, might have alerted him to the fact there was quite a newsworthy, and important story here.

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Well wi the weight Britcliffe carries among his minions,can understand the tories voting fer it, as hes proud to support it.:rolleyes: cannot understand labour supporting this n then not having the strength of conviction to comment on this matter, :(i find that very spineless.

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I'm just itching to get my hands on the minutes of the meeting, so we can see who voted for this very one sided resolution.

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seems a common trait in local and national politics ;)

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I'm afraid the minutes won't show how each named councillor voted, unless it was a "recorded" vote which is only taken in exceptional circumstances, or if individual councillors requested that their vote be minuted against the motion.

The twitter reports make no reference to either of the above happening at the meeting, so it is likely the minutes will just blandly report the resolution.

It is for individual councillors to come on here and tell us how and why they and/or their colleagues voted. Otherwise they will have the cloak of anonymity around them.

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Ah thanks.

Would who voted for this resolution have been recorded though?

So the information could be aquired under a F.O.I. request?

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Unfortunately not. If he/she sees more hands go up for the motion than against, the mayor declares the motion carried and moves on to the next item.

Which in this case was dog fouling. Appropriate? You might say that, I couldn't possibly comment.

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Do ya think that HBC didn't want us plebs to know about them giving support, on our behalf, for the Kashmiri question, think they should have had a referendum on the issue, but on second thoughts better not to go there;)

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Sounds like hes at twit to me:D

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Ya if I remember rightly gynn the vote is only recorded if a number of councillors, is it three?? stand in support of the proposer, other wise it just say was pasted by either a unanimous or majority decision, in the case of a majority I don't think it even states the vote for and against although I could be wrong on that point

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Spot on, jaysay. The minutes will just say the motion was agreed.

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According to the agenda for the council meeting held on November 10th, the Kashmir motion was one of four submitted under council procedure rule A9. The details of procedure A9 can be found here:

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...e_Rules_2_.pdf

For those of you who do not wish to read through it all, A9.2 reads as follows:

Scope:

Motions must be about matters for which the Council has a responsibility or which affect
Hyndburn.

That is it. There is nothing further.

My question is how this motion passed can in any way whatsoever relate to council responsibility or affecting Hyndburn. The simple answer is it does not on either count. It seems to me therefore, that the council in passing this resolution have not only exceeded their remit, made the borough a laughing stock, wasted council tax payers money and resources but have in fact acted unconstitutionally in doing so. Arguably, the motion cannot stand; any attempt to reiterate its legality can now only be met by referral to a higher authority, such as the local government ombudsman.

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Wonder if it would be worth it to refer it to the ombudsman to see what happens and whether it is illegal

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The Local Government Ombudsman considers complaints against the Council "that have caused injustice to the complainant" and only becomes involves as a last resort when the Council's own procedures have been exhausted.

The Council has a procedure in place that should be used to review the resolution on Kashmir - the Overview and Scrutiny Committee. This seems a perfect case for O and S to review if it is felt the Council passed a resolution without being in full possession of the facts, or acted outside its terms of reference.

We are lucky to have the Chairman of one of the Overview and Scrutiny Committees as a regular contributor to this forum.

What is your view, Ken?

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I don't think we'll hear 'owt from Ken, Gynn. He's done a runner from this forum, as have all the elected politico's who previously posted on here. Now they're in office, they simply can't stand the heat.

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I know. I asked the question to spotlight the deafening silence on this thread from the elected members who should be speaking on our behalf.

But if people keep the heat on, the politicians may run but they can't hide.

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I wonder if I could borrow one of those sniper rifles from Retlaw or Eric?

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'Two Central Ward Councillors including the portfolio holder for Community Cohesion and the Voluntary Sector strongly identify with Kashmiri heritage and have vocally supported the Kashmiri ethnic grouping at previous Community Cohesion & Equal Opportunity Working group meetings.'

'As part of a community consultation in 2005, a wide-cross section of Hyndburn’s ethnic minority communities (including Gt. Harwood) was asked by Cllr Allah Dad if they would support a separate Kashmiri identifier.'

'There was overwhelming support for this.'

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...206_report.pdf

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What are you doing, Garinda, posting a link to a piece of toilet paper?

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Some might consider it that.

Some might be wondering why a local council in north east Lancshire is wasting time on issues that aren't local to the borough, and allowing itself to be used by those with a vested interest, to add weight to their propaganda campaign, in a highly contentious international conflict.

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So there is a clear history of discussion about this subject over the years.

It is the perfect opportunity for O and S Committee to review all the discussions and resolutions, and confirm whether or not it is appropriate for the Council to be going beyond simply recognising Kashmiri residents as a separate ethnic group, to taking the side of an alleged terrorist group in the conflict in Kashmir.

Seems perfectly straightforward to me.

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Let's hope at some future date, certain councillors don't propose that areas where Hyndburn residents who 'identify themselves as Kashmiri', should primarily be subject to Sharia, rather than British law.

As, judging from H.B.C.'s previous desire to appease, there would probaby be...

'overwhelming support for this'.

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Me too.

Then again, we aren't seeking election to public office.

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Cllr. Dawson's reading this thread, at this very moment.

Perhaps he's just about to give us his view, and perhaps tell us if he voted to support, or not, the resolution passed by H.B.C. last week?

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Nope. No comment...yet.

Bernard's now giving his attention to the assassination of J.F.K.

Perhaps he's afraid of shooting himself in the foot.

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Was wondering Rindi if that flock of pigs passed over your rooftop on the way to grazing this morning, they've just passed over mine and were making a hell of a racket, a racket very similar to the noise some political members used to make before taking control of the council;)

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Its just crossed my mind that those in control of HBC may have instructed their "members" to avoid confrontation on this website:rolleyes:

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Erics reading it, too.

Eric - can you dismantle that hunting rifle of yours, stick in in a box, label the box "Moose Antlers" (to allay any suspisions by Uk customs if they just happen to be on duty), and ship it over to me?

Oh, stick in a few boxes of ammo. 35 rounds should be sufficient.

No - make it 36 - there's one I forgot about.

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It's not a case of confrontation, Jaysay; it's a case of them getting their arses spanked every time they have popped up on here.

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At one point it looked like we were entering a new era of transparency, and openess.

We were given a full report of the last full meeting of the council...prior to the elections in May.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...rch-57054.html

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Presumably, in the light of the history of racial tensions in the area and the country, it is morally and legally incumbent on councillors, whatever their racial origin, to promote integration as the greatest good. Presumably this responsibility falls heavier on councillors with a significant ethnic make up in their respective electorates than on other councillors.

One has to wonder therefore, in the light of the ongoing Kashmiri related activities of the Dads (I assume because of the surname that they are related in some way), just what are they up to? Because, to me, it seems that far from promoting integration with and into the host society, these two are doing just about their level best to promote the exact opposite.

I also wonder wether the time has not come come for a serious investigation into the activities and attitudes of the Dads. Please correct me if I am wrong but, wasn't A. Dad's name linked with alleged electoral irregularities?

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Emails sent to Indian/Pakistani newspapers in the UK, and US, saying this resolution was not passed in my name.

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Wasn't there even a video link too Rindi:rolleyes:

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As someone who has actively, and publicly opposed racism since the age of 15, and finds what our council is doing is both divisive, and politically motivated by ethnicity/race, as well as nothing to do with local issues, extremist groups must be thanking their lucky stars, for all the good work H.B.C. is doing on their behalf.