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they did not print mine either,which is further proof to me,that the paper has gone to the dogs, twas the reason i bought one this week.:rolleyes:

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Demand your money back cashy:D

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If the Councillors won't come on here to answer the question as to how and why they supported the Kashmir motion, let's try them with another one.

Why have the minutes of the Council meeting that include the Council resolution not been posted on the website? It was held on 10th November, some 24 days ago. It can't be because they have yet to be approved, because draft minutes are normally on the website within days.

And it can't be due to a backlog, because the draft minutes of Cabinet, held two weeks AFTER Council, have been on the website now for several days.

Do I detect some information management on the part of the Council?

:(

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I suspect the reason that the Accy Observer has not corrected its earlier inaccurate report on the Kashmir motion is that to do so would not correlate with its political stance. The AO is no longer an independent local newspaper but is part of the MEN newspaper group, which is in turn a subsidiary of Trinity Mirror. There can be no doubt as to exactly where TM owes its political allegiance and where it’s sympathies lie and that is with Labour with a strong dose of wet liberalism. While I have no problem with national newspapers maintaining a political slant – we can, after all, choose between reading Tory, Labour or Lib-Dregs inclined newspapers – the matter of a local newspaper doing so – especially a weekly one which has an effective monopoly on printed news for the town is entirely different.

Discounting the Lancashire Telegraph – which is a sub- regional paper and as rarely covers Hyndburn issues in any depth – we are left only with the AO. At one time, the Observer would have seized upon this story and followed on with a full editorial piece demanding just what the hell was the council playing at. Sadly, those days have gone. We are now left with a pathetic little rag were the most detailed coverage of local events are the regular photographs that appear, which invariably are either those of sunsets over Accy or a picture of a tree rat taken in someone’s back garden.

Neverthess, the AO still has a loyal (but declining) following of local readership, but how many are now fully aware of the hidden agenda of the paper? Very few, I think. Yet I would have thought that with the problem of declining newspaper circulation, a story such as the Kashmir business would, if fully and factually reported under the headline banner, have given a much needed boost to the paper. Facts are sacred and comment is free, but on this sad occasion, the Observer has none and has failed miserably.

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Jeez this thread has over 300 replies so Groove thought he ought to have his 2 pennuth....there you go.

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First class post Tealeaf, think you've hit the nail right on the head

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Yes who know.

Perhaps they don't care, but I piggin' do.

Like every other person who's posted, and who thinks what the council did was very, very wrong.

The only thing we do know as fact is that Hyndburn now offically supports the Pakistani side in Kashmir.

Those they are in conflict with, the people of India, are offically recorded in the resolution H.B.C. passed as being 'gang raping, child shooting, prisoner burning, barbarians'.

Nothing like a balanced perspective is there...when out to secure votes?

Sadly this is nothing like balance, and does not even attempt to address the recorded atrocities carried out by BOTH sides in this conflict.

Shameful.

:mad:

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Ya but theres not too many Indians living in Hyndburn, so not vote worthy:rolleyes:

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Still nothing. Follow progress for yourselves.

Council

We could have a sweep. Which will appear first - the minutes of November Council.......or the first cuckoo in Spring?

;)

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My money would be on the cuckoo, gynn - every time.

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I here the cuckoos live in Scaitcliffe house 52 weeks a year gynn;)

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I hear the same making you 2 cuckoos.:D:D:D:D:D

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We finally have the minute of the motion passed by Council on 10th November:

"That this Council supports the Kashmiri community here in Hyndburn and the peoples of Jammu and Kashmir to bring about genuine initiatives aimed at ending the violence and suffering and in favour of a just and lasting peace settlement; that the British government should not itself prescribe any one
solution to the problem of Kashmir and that it resolutely opposes all forms of terrorism and violence, including the use of abduction, torture, murder and rape as instruments in any political cause and calls on all sides in this dispute tocondemn such incidents and to observe in full, international standards of human rights and the right of the people of Jammu and Kashmir to determine their own future in a free, fair and transparent manner. The Council welcomes the helpful dialogue between the Hyndburn MP, Graham Jones, and those seeking the right to Kashmiri self-determination. The Council therefore resolves to write to the Foreign Office Minister to bring his attention to this issue."

Seems ok to me. The Council has a responsibility to serve its residents, and if there is a group resident in the borough from an overseas territory who bring to the attention of the Council an apparent injustice, the Council has a right to bring that to the attention of the relevant Government Department, in this case the Foreign Office.

Which is precisely what the Council has done. Well done HBC.

Its just a shame that what I have just written could have been said two months ago by a Council representative on this website, to avoid the speculation that ensued.

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Well, it doesn't seem ok to me. HBC should be concentrating their priorities on sorting problems out in Hyndburn, NOT in Kashmir. :mad:

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Hear, hear:mad:

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Must be only one side commited atrocities then?:rolleyes: plus none of the opposition must live around here? so therefore No votes to be won.:rolleyes:

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Your not saying the local Asian community are biased are you cashy:rolleyes:

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No am saying the council are dense.

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I have it on good authority that the letter went straight to the recycle bin.

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Ya but not before the usual standard thankyou for contacting us letter;)

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Oh good,nowt changes then.:D

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Although I don't see anything wrong with expressing opposition to documented atrocities, I don't think it is the job of a local government to do so ... not officially anyway. S'ok if the national govt. does it. After all, foreign affairs is one of its jobs. Also, I would think that the Foreign Office is well aware of what is going on, and does not need a local council to bring it to its attention. I believe that what most folks in Hyndburn want from local government, is what Kingstonians want from theirs: well-maintained streets, garbage pick up, fire and ambulance service, policing, etc. We are having freezing rain at the moment, and the sanders (gritters?) are out in force ... that's the kinda thing we want to see, eh.

Something else I found troubling: "a group resident in the borough from an overseas territory". Are these folks brits, or are they just hanging out over there?:confused:

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We have the "Asian Community" Eric, which is fine by me, but if they want to carp on about whats happening in their country of birth, do it over there, and I can't for the life in me think why HBC should get involved and lets face it its not a party thing its all the numpties together:mad:

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I still think it was something that our MP should have dealt with not our Local Council.

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perhaps if those here who have a problem with what is happening over there should either go back and fight to sort it out or stay put and shut up rather than bother local council with matters they are totally powerless to do anything about :rolleyes:

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I think the reason the council got involved is because of the Asian councillors, but they are on the council to represent the people living here not back in Pakistan;)

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Call me a cynic, but the time it took for the minutes of this meeting to be made public, versus the wording of the original motion, on the H.B.C. website, has more than a whiff of a stink to it.

According to the official agenda, this was the actual wording of the motion, put forward by Cllr. Allah Dad...

'That this Council supports the Kashmir community here in Hyndburn in condemning the atrocities committed and acts of barbaric violence by Indian Forces in Indian occupied Kashmir which has resulted in women been gang raped, children lined up and shot dead in front of their parents, people been torched and set on fire in their jail cells. Over one hundred thousand people have been killed since 1989 and very recently Amnesty International has found a number of mass graves in Kashmir. All this is because the people of Kashmir want their right of self determination, the right which was recognised by the United Nations in 1948.'

Guess I'll just remain a cynic. Believing that skullduggery happened before the minutes were finally published, so the wording wasn't so grossly partisan, and inflammatory, after it was pointed out on here just how stupid they'd been, being used as pawns in a propaganda war.

Guess it's too much to hope for, that an Accy Web member who was actually at this meeting, would confirm, or deny what the wording of this motion was, which the council voted to support?

:rolleyes:

Either way, what they did is being used as propaganda, by one side in this conflict.

Just Google 'Hyndburn Kashmir', to see a great deal of evidence which proves this.

Local councils should be dealing with local, rather than international problems, of which we already have an abundance, here in Hyndburn.

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They can't write what they want in the minutes, it has to be an accurate representation of the meeting. I hope this error is questioned buy Councillors at the next meeting when they will be asked if the previous minutes are an accurate record of the previous meeting.

Maybe this is a matter for overview and scrutiny.
I can see a problem with that idea though already.

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Oh I agree, minutes 'should' be an accurate record of proceedings.

The cynic in me wonders if they are, in this case.

I curse that night, when I wasn't well enough to be there as planned, because then I'd know.

Plus, unlike others, who were there, I'd be happy to share the information.

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Cynical about HBC and their methods and ways in sensitive and emotive subjects how could you G , i would say they are always as straight as a die.:rolleyes:

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Well the chair of scrutiny was last seen having tea with Lord Lucan and Shergar.
Nothing has been heard off him on this website since, His voters in Rishton are organising a search party as we speak.

And the minute doesn't have to reflect the original motion. It reflects the final amendment put forward and voted on. The minute book will have all the details. :rolleyes:

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Thought as much, which only fuels my cynicism, that a little creativity might have been undertaken, when it was pointed out what absolute patsies they've been.

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I've just gone over the original twitter feed and it simply does not make sense.

9.01 (Twitter time) A Dad proposes the motion, backed by Britcliffe who is '..proud to support it'.

9.02 Collinge says it ain't balanced (fair enough).

9.04 M Dad proposes amendment

9.10 Amendment passed.

Either this amendment was aleady on the table (in which case it should have been in the agenda) or it was not. If it was not, there is no way such an elaborate amendment could have been put togeather in the space of 8 minutes. Something is sadly wrong here and it stinks of complicity and cover up.

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Is that not normal T.?:confused:

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That may be the case, Cashy, but if so, what a way to run a council! This lot could not run a bubble bath.

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According to the minutes, the amendment was tabled at the meeting by Councillor Munsif Dad. This seems to be confirmed by the Observer tweet. As such, it wouldn't have been available with the agenda.

Presumably Councillor Dad read the amendment out at the meeting, slowly enough for everyone present to absorb it, write it down if necessary and give it the due thought and consideration necessary because it was so different to the original motion.....or perhaps Councillor M. Dad had it already written down and was able to circulate it to the assembled throng.....or perhaps there was some hurried exchanges at the meeting, with mumbles and grumbles about being fair to all sides in the conflict, and the final minute was put together in the comfort of Scaitcliffe House in the following days.

Only those present at the meeting can tell us........

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I would imagine that meetings of any meeting are not verbatim, what happened at the meeting, they will be written up by an officer recording whats being said and by whom, although it doesn't usually put names in the minutes unless a recorded vote is taken, even then I'm not sure if the names are included. No doubt there will be a draught version put out to scrutiny before they are place for public view

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If you look in my eye you can see green too WM;)