Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 949895)

Well to me the most galling thing about this whole issue is that they can even find time to even discuss this situation which quite obviously doesn't effect Hyndburn on bit, it doesn't help keep out streets clean or our bins emptied or help the regeneration of the Town centre on iota. If people, who have settled on our shores, want to get involved with things going on in their country of birth, fine, carry on, but don't waste the time of a council which is already hard pressed to deliver the services we require here in Hyndburn

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 949910)

Is the source of Cllr. Dad's income a matter of public record anywhere?

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 949859)

We are lucky to have the Chairman of one of the Overview and Scrutiny Committees as a regular contributor to this forum.

What is your view, Ken?

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 940062)

I always said you'd make a great O&S scrutineer Ken.

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 949910)

Is the source of Cllr. Dad's income a matter of public record anywhere?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 940160)

'We were successful with our funding bid to Neighbourhood Renewal Fund (NRF) transitional funds for £21,500.00 to continue my post as a development coordinator for year 2006/07 (fulltime).'
- Munsif Dad JP
Development Coordinator SCC

http://www.scaitcliffecc.com/report.pdf

Since apparently the Scaitcliffe Community Centre's website is showing outdated information, who's the recipient of the salary for being the centre's Development Coordinator now?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 949919)

Don't know, but this came up, i another thread.



http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...e-59525-9.html

I didn't get an answer to my question.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 949895)

Well to me the most galling thing about this whole issue is that they can even find time to even discuss this situation which quite obviously doesn't effect Hyndburn on bit, it doesn't help keep out streets clean or our bins emptied or help the regeneration of the Town centre on iota. If people, who have settled on our shores, want to get involved with things going on in their country of birth, fine, carry on, but don't waste the time of a council which is already hard pressed to deliver the services we require here in Hyndburn

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 949928)

Quite agree.

People are free to protest against whatever they want.

H.B.C. should not be being used, to add weight to any side, in a controversial issue, which is an international matter, and nothing at all to do with a local borough council's business.

Or shouldn't be.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 949935)

Even when its possible votes are the carrot?:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 949939)

That will only become applicable around the 1st of April 2012 cashy;)

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 949955)

Oh so what else is left?

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 949958)

Conspiracy.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 949955)

Oh i know, but i base me assumption on the simple fact,even though we don't know who voted what way,on the serious issue, NOT one councillor has spoken either in the media or online that they are "Against", also knowing a few of em,i cannot accept it was a mistake or stupidity, so what else is left?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 949961)

Oh come on Cashy.

If you had a nice friend, who asked you to jump in the canal, your only question would be, after saying yes of course, would be to ask which canal.

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 949977)

Are you suggesting, T, that certain of Hyndburn's worthiest of worthies, is/are prepared to act as a catspaw for the damned French (spits)?

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 949984)

I would just like one of them...just one, I don't care who, to come back on here and justify their actions.

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 949992)

Come on, T, both of us are long enough in the tooth to know that the invertebrates who inhabit Scaitcliffe Towers are not going to show their pasty faces on here until they are absolutely certain that the heat has died down and they can get back to their favorite occupation of stabbing each other in the back.

God, that was a long sentence!

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 950172)

Just had a look at Ken Moss's Blog "Rishton First" Though he was crowing about the dog poo motion yesterday, there is no mention of the Kashmiri incident.

RISHTON FIRST

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 949864)

'Two Central Ward Councillors including the portfolio holder for Community Cohesion and the Voluntary Sector strongly identify with Kashmiri heritage and have vocally supported the Kashmiri ethnic grouping at previous Community Cohesion & Equal Opportunity Working group meetings.'

'As part of a community consultation in 2005, a wide-cross section of Hyndburn’s ethnic minority communities (including Gt. Harwood) was asked by Cllr Allah Dad if they would support a separate Kashmiri identifier.'

'There was overwhelming support for this.'

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...206_report.pdf

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 950182)

One of the ironies of this scenario is that back in the day when we used to try to elicit councillors' opinions on various national and international issues, we were told that they were far too busy concentrating on local issues!

How times have changed! :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 950187)

Unless you think they might be trying to gain votes

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 950172)

Just had a look at Ken Moss's Blog "Rishton First" Though he was crowing about the dog poo motion yesterday, there is no mention of the Kashmiri incident.

RISHTON FIRST

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 950191)

Even if it was £1000 fine they have no one to do the fining. One dog warden for the whole of Hyndburn is not enough!

The current £75 is enough but we need to see many people being fined to deter the others.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 950191)

Even if it was £1000 fine they have no one to do the fining. One dog warden for the whole of Hyndburn is not enough!

The current £75 is enough but we need to see many people being fined to deter the others.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 950201)

The proposed £1000 fine demonstrates clearly to me, how stupid things have become locally, n i used to slag Britcliffe.:bootyshak

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 950204)

You get a smaller fine for no car insurance

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 950206)

I have seen many much smaller fines fer offences of physical harm to people,plus many other things, i agree the £75 is adequate if they prosecute enough, people would be picking their dog crap up. this is another example of how this council has somehow become remote from the people in my view.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 950230)

Prosecuting people is no good for HBC from what I have been told.

If its an on the spot fine paid by the offender the money goes to HBC.
If it goes to court and the offender is fined the money does not go to HBC.

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 950232)

I bet they don't propose a motion to start fining for the bull stuff

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 950182)

One of the ironies of this scenario is that back in the day when we used to try to elicit councillors' opinions on various national and international issues, we were told that they were far too busy concentrating on local issues!

How times have changed! :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 950238)

Depends if Hyndburn Borough Council are more interested a Kashmiri bull, or a Hindu cow.

My money's more-on the Kashmiri bull.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...AL-Vp8vOE99_x0

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 950292)

Well the cows sacred in India, looks like Bull is sacred in the council chamber at HBC;)

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 950630)

Just come across this re Cllr Dad.

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloads/Dad__Allah.pdf

Can anyone tell me what a "Video Grapher" is or does?

I note also that Questions 9 and 10 are information on application only....Hmmm?

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 950630)

Just come across this re Cllr Dad.

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloads/Dad__Allah.pdf

Can anyone tell me what a "Video Grapher" is or does?

I note also that Questions 9 and 10 are information on application only....Hmmm?

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 950651)

Ahh yus, m'dear. i know what a Videographer does, I may not be very mechanically minded but I am not as green as I am cabbage-looking. But what precisely is a Video Grapher ?

Videographer is a compound word. Video Grapher is two seperate words.

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 950661)

A quick flick through the HBC website reveals the following

Councillors Allowances: - A. Dad

2008-2009 £12,440.15
2009-2010 £12,369.00
2010-2011 £7,440.85

Hmmm, not exactly in the same league as the former Idiot-in-Chief ( £32k for 2010-2011). A surprise, that.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 949919)

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 950669)

According to the Allowances lists, M. Dad claims even less than A. Dad. Even though M Dad is deputy leader of the Labour Group.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 950297)

True but yeh aint mentioned yer buddy being proud to support it?:confused:

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 950669)

According to the Allowances lists, M. Dad claims even less than A. Dad. Even though M Dad is deputy leader of the Labour Group.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 950711)

Also I'm sure comments will be welcomed from any other known local politicans, who are members of this forum, and who've posted here in the past, even if it was only to push their own political agendas.

Graham Jones M.P.

Cllr. Peter Britcliffe.

Cllr. Ken Moss.

Cllr. Bernard Dawson.

Cllr. Judith Addison.

Cllr. Wendy Dwyer.

Cllr. Clare Pritchard.

Cllr. Joan Smith.

Cllr. Nick Whittaker.

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 950737)

I'm sick of all this anti-sexist lesbian feminist PC crap. As far as I can recall Cllr Smith is of the female persuasion. I have nothing against that, we all have our cross to bear. A chair, the last time I looked, was a piece of furniture usually with four legs and is something you sit on. A chair, being an item of furniture does not, and cannot preside over a committee, a person does that.
The person who sits on the chair and presides over the committee is thus is properly termed either chairman or chairwoman. Got it?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 950768)

How do the politically correct numpties manage to speak at all, in the many parts of the world, where they speak languages with gender specific words?

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 950768)

How do the politically correct numpties manage to speak at all, in the many parts of the world, where they speak languages with gender specific words?

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 949859)

The Council has a procedure in place that should be used to review the resolution on Kashmir - the Overview and Scrutiny Committee. This seems a perfect case for O and S to review if it is felt the Council passed a resolution without being in full possession of the facts, or acted outside its terms of reference.

We are lucky to have the Chairman of one of the Overview and Scrutiny Committees as a regular contributor to this forum.

What is your view, Ken?

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 950970)

It's one thing to be embarrassed about a decision one has been party to.

It's quite another to show unspeakable rudeness by blanking a perfectly reasonable question when you hold a position of responsibility.

So once again, what is your view Ken?

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 950974)

Ya mean he's been reading this thread and hasn't replied gynn:eek::eek:

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 950987)

My guess is Yes, jaysay. He spent all his time posting on this forum when he was in opposition, and old habits die hard! ;)

What does everybody else think?

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 950881)

Indeed how? yet i found the way i speak is universal.:D;)

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 950987)

My guess is Yes, jaysay. He spent all his time posting on this forum when he was in opposition, and old habits die hard! ;)

What does everybody else think?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 950996)

Perhaps his next post will be in Lost and Found.

Missing -

Balls.

One pair of.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 951485)

Have you tried PM-ing Ken, as he hasn't shown his face on here for a few weeks.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 950153)

I've emailed the one Hyndburn councillor, that I'm told spoke out against this madness, at last Thursday's full council meeting.

As they are Independent, I'm hoping for help in finding out exactly who did vote in favour of this resolution, and how best I can register my anger that this was done, and it not being done in my name.

Or presumably done in name of the 76,221 residents of Hyndburn, who don't 'identify themselves as Kashmiri'.

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 951511)

Why should I have to do that?

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 951534)

Because if he hasn't been on here, he might not have seen your question.

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 951568)

Sorry, I'll rephrase what I meant to say:

"I shouldn't have to do that!"

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 951494)

So proud of themselves, Hyndburn Borough Council have tweeted about what they've recently done, on our behalf, on their official Twitter account.

Suprisingly not a twitter about the well recorded human rights abuses, and violent atrocities carried out by the other side in this conflict, the Pakistanis.

Only the other lot, our now enemy, the Indians.

Who we don't officially back here in Hyndburn.

Apparently.

Thanks to the witlessly stupid actions of our elelected representatives on the council.

:mad:



HyndburnCouncil
Cllr Allah Dad wants to accept the amendment as a "friendly amendment". now voting to accept. Main motion then carried.
10 Nov

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1...all_normal.jpg

HyndburnCouncil Hyndburn BC
Cll M Dad proposes amendment to motion.
10 Nov

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HyndburnCouncil Hyndburn BC
Cllr Dad submits motion that Council supports the Kashmir community here in condemning the atrocities committed and acts of violence there.

Twitter

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 951571)

Perhaps you should broaden your approach and ask the councillors who are still coming on here regularly?

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 951574)

Good idea, WH. I'll do it here.

What do the other councillors who come on this site think of the Council resolution on Kashmir? Do you agree with me that, since it appears that the resolution was made without hearing the FULL facts regarding Kashmiri Independence, it would be reasonable for the Overview and Scrutiny to look in some detail at this, and make considered recommendations back to Council?

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 951576)

And if any of em give yeh n answer to that gynn,i'll show me arse to the Market Hall Clock.:D

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 951572)

Did you reply to the tweet saying what you thought?

By doing so anyone looking ay HBC twitter feed can see what you replied

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 951511)

Why should I have to do that?

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 951576)

And if any of em give yeh n answer to that gynn,i'll show me arse to the Market Hall Clock.:D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 951684)

Article in this week's Observer, entitled 'Council support for Kashmiris'.

A load of hogwash from the council, probably now fearful, after it's been pointed out what they've done, by someone with more than half a brain, about opposing all forms of terrorism and violence, carried out for any political cause.

All very nice. All very noble.

However here's the actual wording of the resolution, put forward by Cllrs. Allah and Munsif Dad, which was supported by the meeting of the full council, after being voted on by our councillors in Hyndburn.

'Conflict in Kashmir
That this Council supports the Kashmir community here in Hyndburn in condemning the atrocities committed and acts of barbaric violence by Indian Forces in Indian occupied Kashmir which has resulted in women been gang raped, children lined up and shot dead in front of their parents, people been torched and set on fire in their jail cells. Over one hundred thousand people have been killed since 1989 and very recently Amnesty International has found a number of mass graves in Kashmir. All this is because the people of Kashmir want their right of self determination, the right which was recognised by the United Nations in 1948.
To be moved by: Councillor Allah Dad
To be seconded by: Councillor Peter Britcliffe'
http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...to_Council.pdf

Sadly the report in the Observer isn't online yet.

Though what they're now trying to pretend they did, as opposed to what they actually voted to support, are poles apart. No matter what smoke and mirror tricks they attempt to use now.

Read the mealy-mouthed guff they've released to the press, and compare it to the actual wording of the official council resolution, that they actually voted to support.

Anyone equally angry, at this being done on your behalf, please feel free to write to the Observer, pointing out this major inconsistency.

People will be getting bored of me pointing out cases of cover-ups, and hypocrisy.

But if no one else lets me know they are going to write, I feel I have no other choice.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 951684)

Anyone equally angry, at this being done on your behalf, please feel free to write to the Observer, pointing out this major inconsistency.

People will be getting bored of me pointing out cases of cover-ups, and hypocrisy.

But if no one else lets me know they are going to write, I feel I have no other choice.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 953607)

Bumping this back up, because I don't see why we should let it drop. Come on, Accyweb council members, tell us how you voted and why.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 953634)

...doubly disgraceful then, that no councillors will come on here and defend/explain their actions in an honest way...in particular, the Labour councillors who are supposed to be principled socialists. Shame on you! :(

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 953638)

I wonder what the 0.7% of Hyndburn residents who are of an Indian heritage think of this crass bias?

Still, there's only a relatively few votes to be had there, so why gives a flying fig about them?

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 953634)

...doubly disgraceful then, that no councillors will come on here and defend/explain their actions in an honest way...in particular, the Labour councillors who are supposed to be principled socialists. Shame on you! :(

Originally Posted by Less (Post 953675)

Off the top off my head, (please don't assume these statistics are based in any way, shape or form upon facts), I would estimate that 75% of them just aren't bothered.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 953677)

Wyn its like I've said they have probably been instructed not to answer any threads on Accyweb that are at all controversial or questioning the way they are now running HBC,

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 953679)

If so,that to me puts "Silent But Deadly" firmly in the frame.:rolleyes: