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Good to know the council are spending their valuable time, trying to sort out the problems we have here in Hyndburn.

UK City Council supports ‘Kashmiris' Right to Self determination’ | GroundReport

:rolleyes:

Perhaps at the next full meeting of the council, we'll be declared a nuclear free zone, or it's decided that we're going to be sponsoring a Save The Whale programme in Nicaragua.

:mosher:

Nice to note we've been awarded city status though.

:rolleyes:

Still, as long as they have their priorities in order, that's all that matters.

:o

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Yeh can't expect tory councillors to know the difference.:rolleyes:

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Would appear its been approved by full council, let me see, Hyndburn a Labour Council, isn't it:confused::p

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No doubt, as a gesture, HBC will provide benches in some city centres so the poor impoverished citizen can lest their weary legs while out shopping;)

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Was there a rider to the HBC resolution supporting Kashmiri independence, to the effect that it doesn't apply on Wednesday afternoons?

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Yes, sod the abundance of empty shops in Hyndburn, and alcoholics being allowed to carry on supping in a drinks free zone, where do we stand on the defeat of the Tamil Tigers' fight for an independent state in Sri Lanka?

These are the sort of issues upmost on most residents' minds. That we'd much prefer our local councillors were busy addressing.

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Shoulder pads, Jason Donovan, ra-ra skirts, loony left councils.

Yes, the eighties are back.

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We should all be concerned about the reasons for this

I share Cllr Dad's views that the Welsh and Scots should behave themselves

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As a cultural exchange in thanks for the support of HBC they will be sending a selection of comfy armchairs to be dotted around the town center, and people be will wearing garlands to replace the flower towers...:rolleyes:

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Ironically Rule Brittania is now being played at the Cenotaph.

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I think they should change the word to 'Fool Britannia'....because I think that is what the world really thinks of us.

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Yes, it's not very nice, or friendly, when they stand on Offa's Dyke, and Hadrian's Wall, shouting taunts, and showing off about their free prescriptions, no tuition fees, and free care for the elderly etc., is it?

When are Hyndburn Borough councillors going to broker a peace deal, between the various warring factions?

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This is the full text of the motion submitted to and passed by the council on 10th November:

"..That this Council supports the Kashmir community here in Hyndburn in condemning the
atrocities committed and acts of barbaric violence by Indian Forces in Indian occupied
Kashmir which has resulted in women been gang raped, children lined up and shot dead in
front of their parents, people been torched and set on fire in their jail cells. Over one
hundred thousand people have been killed since 1989 and very recently Amnesty
International has found a number of mass graves in Kashmir. All this is because the
people of Kashmir want their right of self determination, the right which was recognised by
the United Nations in 1948.
To be moved by: Councillor Allah Dad
To be seconded by: Councillor Peter Britcliffe
3. Dog.."

Can anyone please point to any evidence of atrocities committed by Indian Forces in Kashmir? The only atrocities that I am aware of committed in that region over the last few years are those committed by Pakistani and Afgan nationals. So exactly what are the members of HBC doing passing motions such as this? It is ignorant, ill conceived and ill thought out and is no more than an electoral sop the local Pakistanis for their votes.

I do wonder, though now that HBC has a foreign policy, will we get an army? We may well certainly need some nuclear weapons because I am quite certain that Accy's name is now dirt in the corridors of power in New Delhi and you never know, some of those Indian nukes may well be aimed at us as well as Pakistan

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I know thats not all true T, the 3rd woudn't be a dog as asians don't like dogs they think they're unclean;)

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That's a reference to the third motion about dog fouling - another load of chyte.

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Perhaps now Hyndburn's a major force to be reckoned with on the international world stage, it'll tackle the appalling human rights abuses occurring in Pakistan, at the next full meeting of our council.

Pakistan | Amnesty International

Let's all hold our breath, and see if they do.

:rolleyes:

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sorry to skip back a little here but did someone say we had been awarded city status ?

surely not as blackburn have been trying for years and they have a cathederal which is one of the main things that classes you as a city isnt it ?

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Yeh but Hyndburns got quite a few Mosques.:D

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No, sorry, the website carrying international news, mistakenly said city council, instead of borough.

Perhaps any new, monumental bus station can also double as a cathedral...so watch this space.

:rolleyes:

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well if this is a sign of how things are going to be run by a labor council then i dont see a labor council been a thing of the future.We got a labor council that seems to think issues abroad are their concern and a labor MP that thinks his judgment call is more important than his constituants.

I just hope our labor run council dont start throwing money abroad.

When i voted labor both local and noational this is not what i was expecting .

Its like backing 2 horses in a race and both falling at the first hurdle

both need to get their act together and concentrate more on the people they were elected to represent :mad:

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Not to mention the issue was proposed by a member of the council who clearly wanted his bit of self indulgence with an issue totally unrelevant to Hyndburn, the motion was seconded by Peter Britcliffe who recently walked out of a meeting becuase he didn't think the speaker was relevant to a council meeting.

sometimes word fail me :mad:

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That irony didn't pass me by, either.

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I also find it amusing that one party is getting a bashing for something proposed by another.

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I guess the buck stops with those who are in power.

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I think this ludicrous.

I only mentioned it's the sort of thing I last experienced in the eighties, whilst living under loony Labour run councils, in both Liverpool, and London's Lambeth.

I don't remember posting blame on any particular person, or party.

The whole of Hyndburn Borough Council has been blighted by this stupid action.

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Well as I was once told by an eminent Labour councillor, "we are in control and we take the credit", think that works both ways Neil, Labour had to back it or it would have been out voted, I think I seem to remember they have an overall majority now;)

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'Dr Misfar Hassan, the County Councillor who lobbied the Labour group for this resolution expressed gratitude to the Leader of the Labour group Mr Miles Parkinson, Councillor Munsif Dad, Councillor Ciaran Wells, Councillor M Ayub and all members of the Labour Group in the Hyndburn Council for supporting the resolution.'

'Dr Misfar also congratulated and thanked the Councillors of the Conservative group including Councillor Allah Dad, County Councillor Muhammad Younis and member councillors of the conservative group for supporting the resolution.'

UK City Council supports ‘Kashmiris' Right to Self determination’ | GroundReport

After this charade the whole council will appear to be pots for bloody bluebells.

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As I say, now H.B.C. has involved itself in international politics, I look foward to them also condemning the truly horrific human rights abuses, carried out daily in Pakistan, as well as, to quote Pakistan's Daily Times newspaper, the 'endemic corruption in political and official circles', which I'm sure H.B.C. will be similarly keen to tackle, and hopefully sort out for them.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Pakistan Human Rights | Amnesty International USA

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Me thinks a huge can of political worms has been opened;)

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Phew, panic over.

This isn't a new, shameful attempt to secure votes.

It's been going on for a while.

'HYNDBURN'S Kashmiri community is to be officially recognised as a separate ethnic group by its local council.
Of the 6,000 people in Hyndburn who would class themselves as Asian, 70 per cent would prefer to be known as Kashmiri.
Manager of the Scaitliffe Community Centre in Accrington, Munsif Dad said: "We hope that recognition will mean council services can be better directed to the needs of the Kashmiri community."
Ethnic status given to Kashmiris | Accrington Observer - menmedia.co.uk

Personally I'd like to see a council that encourages unity, and the idea that first, and foremost, we are all Hyndburnians, and all seen as being equal, especially in the eyes of our local government.

I know. Stupid. Sorry.

:o

Just the daft musings of an unworldly idealist.

It'll never happen.

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another minority group to pander to.

jesus christ is anything going to be left for the so called majority group ?

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Don't be so negative, please.

:(

At least wait until I've finished lobbying H.B.C., and they've announced their support for my campaign to have the nature reserve declared an official 'safe zone', for lesbian birds.

Thank you.

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your right garinda i should embrace this opportunity to get minority status for plastic garden gnomes and other garden ornaments in animal form.

forgive me :o

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Is it possible to have lesbians who aren't birds??

:confused::confused:

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Lesbianism can occur in any species.

Haven't you ever seen any lesbian pussies?


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It's not just birds who need a haven.

But they are a priority at the moment at the nature reserve, as they can be vunerable to attack from cocks.

I'm just hoping H.B.C. will take their plight seriously.

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Yep If they don't fall into the Diving Bird categoric species they are exempt.:D:D

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Good evening, Councillor Dawson. Nice to see you on here. Care to comment on this particular issue?

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Apparently it was brought by Allah Dad. I do agree the opposition could focus more on Hyndburn matters. It also runs contrary to the Governments policy of staying out of the issue.

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So why did the Labour councillors support the resolution? Why didn't they chuck it out and inform the opposition that they should indeed focus on Hyndburn issues?

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Oo-err, he's gorn! Must've been something I said! :D

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How long will it be before they want self determination over here for all the different groups.
What will become of Bradford, Burnley, Birmingham, separate states etc, they've already got to much shout on councils up and down the country.
Retlaw.

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The issue being international politics?

I'm sure there's few who'd disagree with you, on that one Graham.

Local council - local issues.

Though it does seem strange, that our now Labour controlled council invited Labour's Lancashire County Councillor Misfar Hassan, to come and lobby Hyndburn councillors into supporting the Kashmiri peoples' right to self-determination.

Still, nevermind, at least we know Labour politicans support the Kashmiri peoples' right to self-determination.

Even if they don't support ours'.

By them voting against us having the right to have a say in our fight for self-determination.

Eh...Graham?

Whilst you're here Graham, why did you do that?

Say you didn't have a problem with a referendum, even mentioning that it would settle the matter 'democratically', then voted against us being given that right...just two weeks later?

We'd all love to know that

Self-determination's good for Kashmir, but not Hyndburn?

Sounds more than a tad hypocritical to me.

Care to put us straight, as to why it isn't?

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Probably gone to ask that 'EdM', whoever that is, what he should do next.

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That is without question imho, it seems to me that the local council are pandering in the hopes of crosses in the election boxes.:(

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Sorry, didn't realise you meant Bernard.

Graham's popped off too.

Must be a party somewhere.

He'll be back.

So will I.

;)

Asking the same question.

Either until he has the manners to answer, what's a very relevant question, to a lot of his constituents, or one of us drops down dead.

But even then, if I do pop my clogs first, which is doubtful, seeing as bad meat doesn't really go off, I'm sure I'd still be hanging about.

Hauntingly demanding that people deserve answers, as to why what he said, isn't what he actually did.

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No Retlaw, think more like an 'Internationlist'.

We'll all be living together, one big happy family, residing in a lovely multi-national homeland, called the United States of Europe.

:mad:

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Frank Sinatra & Sammy Davis Jr - Me and my shadow - YouTube

;)

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agreed, just wondering where they got their massive christmas trees i seen this morning:p

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And while the HBC is feeling internationalist, why don't they pass a motion expressing solidarity with their brothers and sisters in the outports of Newfoundland and Labrador by supporting the annual seal hunt:alright:

I can see it now. Busman on his way home thinking: "Now, if only I had some chips to go with that slab of seal flipper pie I have in the fridge";):D

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There is clearly now an urgent need for the Council to appoint a new cabinet post - Cabinet Member with responsibility for Foreign Affairs. They could become a sort of Henry Kissinger character, roaming the globe visiting trouble spots and solving potentially explosive situations with their tact and diplomacy.

Who knows, if Hyndburn had been involved in Iraq under Saddam Hussein, we might have known there were no weapons of mass destruction.....

;)

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You mean H.B.C. should employ someone like Tony Blair, who wanders from one international location to another, brokering peace deals, and generally spreading love, and harmony, whilst sorting out the world's trouble spots?

Good idea.

Local people do worry our local council isn't doing enough for the problems faced...by people in other countries.

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Also, if Hyndburn Borough Council had only tinkered in South African politics at that time, I'm sure that chap from Nelson, would have been enjoying his Long Walk To Freedom, many, many years earlier than he did.

;)

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Oh come on Wyn if he could he'd blame the removal of the benches on the Tory's, it what he does, its what he's always done, and its what he'll always do, like the rest of his ilk, no doubt the huge debt this country is in is all down to those nasty Tories :mad:

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Watched a film yesterday call the Green Zone, that was all about the none excitant WMDs

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And don't forget Tony is doing all this out of goods of his wallet;)

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I'm sure H.B.C. could find some extra money, from somewhere, to fund a world wandering, international Hyndburn peace envoy.

In fact, knowing how important an issue this is for local residents, folk would probably be willing to double the amount of council tax they pay, just to fund it.

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...or better still, close the Peel Street toilets and use the money saved to appoint an international envoy.

After all, why can´t folk use the upstairs toilets in the Market Hall? Small price to pay for World Peace.

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Think they may have stared that already Gynn,was down back end of last week one afternoon n they were closed.:eek:lancsdave will probably know what day.

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I propose Cashy to be the International Peace Envoy for HBC.

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Ya mite have used a smiley after that T:rolleyes:

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The toilets shut, that surely can't be so, if it had been the case surely Jones would have been on blaming the opposition councillors;)

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Sorry, just been informed, as this internationally important, high-profile position is to be jointly co-funded by Lancashire County Coucil, and Hyndburn Borough Council, applicants are being sought from the B.M.E. (black, and minority ethnic) community only.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ist-57146.html

Sorry Cashy.

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Good morning, Councillor Dawson. Nice to see you peeking on this thread again. Certainly taking an interest in it, aren't you?

Now would you like to give us a comment on this issue?

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Ta fer the thought,but afraid it just aint possible,would interfere wi me many other tasks fer this community.

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Well, blow me down, he's gone again without saying anything!

Local councillors do seem very reluctant to comment on this issue.

Funny that...I wonder why? ;)

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May have been Thursday. They closed for an hour duie to one of the town's complete morons smashing one of the toilets to bits :mad:

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I understand why the resolution was made - it was so that ultimately they can lobby Government to make a stand on Kashmiri. This is something that couldn't be done without a ground swell of support.

BUT, here's where I have the problem. This is a bit like signing a petition without checking what you're signing for - well, in fact it's precisely that except we haven't even been asked if we want to sign it. This resolution has been made by the council so that it can add weight to lobbying the government.

I don't know enough about this issue to personally lobby government. I don't know both sides of the conflict so for all I know I might side with the other side. I certainly don't think there would have been a full debate about it at Council (and there shouldn't have been) so basically the councillors have agreed to this in our name.

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If thats correct then i can't understand what "RIGHT" these councillors can agree to summat in our name, yet no-one i know knew sod all about it.:mad:

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...and this has exactly what to do with the issues and problems faced by the citizens of Hyndburn?

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I'm sure most folks in Hyndburn don't see the job of their local council as being that to lobby anyone on international issues. Whatever the rights and wrongs are, in any particular case.

If we are mistaken, and H.B.C. are now fully intending to be a big player on the political world stage, perhaps we can look forward to them also condemning Pakistan's appalling record on human rights abuses, at the next meeting of the full council?

We'll just have to wait, and see.

:rolleyes:

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Well, Councillor Dawson's here, yet again, so perhaps he'll tell us.

Ssshhh... ;)

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I'm not saying that the Council will be doing the lobbying. Just saying that those doing the lobbying can now claim to have the local council supporting them to add weight to their action.

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It does seem rather a contentious cause, for our now internationalist local borough council, to have aligned itself with.




'In a full meeting of Hyndburn Borough Council the resolution was moved by Mr. Allah Dad, a member of the Diaspora of Kashmiri origin from the conservative group.'

'The motion supported the Right of Self Determination of the people of Jammu Kashmir.'

UK City Council supports ‘Kashmiris' Right to Self determination’ | GroundReport


'The Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF), founded by Amanullah Khan and Maqbool Bhat is a Kashmiri nationalist organization founded in Birmingham, UK on May 29, 1977. From then until 1994 it was an active terrorist organization with branches in several cities and towns of the UK.'

Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Terrorist Groups

'The U.S. State Department lists three Islamist groups active in Kashmir as foreign terrorist organizations: Harakat ul-Mujahideen, Jaish-e-Mohammed, and Lashkar-e-Taiba. The first group has been listed for years, and the other two were added after the December 2001 Indian parliament attack. All three groups have attracted Pakistani members as well as Afghan and Arab veterans who fought the 1980s Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

• Harakat ul-Mujahideen (HUM) was established in the mid-1980s. Based first in Pakistan and then in Afghanistan, it has several hundred armed supporters in Pakistan and Kashmir. The group is responsible for the December 1999 hijacking of an Indian airliner and numerous attacks on Indian troops and civilians in Kashmir.Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front Harakat members have participated in insurgent and terrorist operations in Myanmar, Tajikistan, and Bosnia.
• Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM) was founded in 2000 by Maulana Masood Azhar, a Pakistani cleric. The group seeks to incorporate Kashmir into the state of Pakistan and has openly declared war on the United States. JEM has carried out attacks on Indian targets, the Pakistani government, and various sectarian minority groups within Pakistan. Acts of terrorism attributed to the group include the 2001 attack on the Indian Parliament and a series of assaults in 2002 on Christian sites in Pakistan. The Pakistani government has also implicated JEM for the two assassination attempts on former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf. According to the U.S. State Department, the group has at least several hundred armed supporters as well as tens of thousands of followers.
• Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), active since 1993, was formed as the military wing of the well-funded Pakistani Islamist organization Markaz-ad- Dawa-wal-Irshad. The group, one of the largest and most proficient of the Kashmir-based terrorist groups, has claimed responsibility for a number of high-profile attacks on Indian targets in Jammu and Kashmir, as well as within India. India says that over the last several years the group has split into two factions, al-Mansurin and al-Nasirin. There is wide speculation thatLeT was responsible for the July 11, 2006 string of bombings on Mumbai's commuter railroad, though a spokesman for the group denied any involvement. The Indian government alleges that LeTwas responsible for coordinating the 2008 Mumbai attacks.'
• Kashmir Militant Extremists - Council on Foreign Relations

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They decided to add their weight to the lobbyists' cause.

Firstly by inviting them to a meeting of the full council, and secondly, by then publicly stating they've now 'adopted a resolution supporting the Kashmiri peoples' right to self-determination'.

An abundance of ever increasing closing businesses in the borough, drunks being allowed to cause mayhem, in supposedly alcohol free zones, cuts in jobs and services, a reported massive increase in next year's council tax bills.

I'm damned sure where the majority of residents will think a local council's priorities would be better focused.

Locally, in the actual borough, that they are supposed to be representing, and working for.

Not adopting resolutions, for those lobbying for contentious international causes.

:mad:

The really serious question that arises from this is, will we be able to get our cardigans at wholesale prices or will that be a perk held onto by our elected representatives?

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For every lobbyist, there's another, lobbying for their rights.

There are two sides, to every story.

This isn't a straightforward issue.

Besides it not being H.B.C.'s job, to be adding their weight to any lobbyist's international cause, by adopting resolutions supporting anyone, they're even more out of order, by deciding on our behalf, to get involved at all, with such a contentious, and controversial issue, such as this.

Islamic terrorism in kashmir

They've brought shame on themselves, and as they are supposed to represent the borough, and ALL it's people, shame on us too.

:mad:

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Well, that's my point exactly. At what point have we discussed with our elected members which way we wish them to vote on this? It wasn't part of their election material and it's not in their manifesto.

I appreciate that the Councillor who brought it up has a vested interest in the issue but were the rest of the Councillor's fully informed and able to make a responsible decision on this, or have they thought to themselves 'oh well, let's support our fellow Councillor because it doesn't really affect us'?

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As well as a free bag of grit this winter, you'll also be receiving a lovely pashmina, along with every other resident in Hyndburn.

To thank you personally for your support, in the fight for Kasmiri self-determination.

Colours can be specified, by choosing an option, on the council's website, in the 'international causes' section.

;)

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I'm sure the vast majority of residents will think our local council has no business at all adopting resolutions, concerning any international causes.

Especially such a politically sensitive one, such as this.

Which they've now formally adopted a resolution on, on our behalf.

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Does anyone yet know the names of those councillors who voted for this nonsense? Those who voted against? Those who abstained? Or was it unanimous?

The names of those who voted for need to be made public; we need to know who has made this town a laughing stock (at best) and at worse, who is now endorsing terrorism by organistions directly linked to the murder of British and allied troops in Afganistan.

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Can't find the minutes online...just yet.

Just the Observer's Twitter feed.

StuartPike78:
Motion from #HBC Coun Allah Dad on atrocities in Kashmir. [via Twitter]http://cdnsl.coveritlive.com/templat.../fb_share2.png
9:01
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#HBC Cllr Britcliffe says proud to support integrity of Kashmir. [via Twitter]http://cdnsl.coveritlive.com/templat.../fb_share2.png

9:02
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#HBC Coun Nick Collingridge says motion not balanced and need someone from Indian community to speak for them. [via Twitter]http://cdnsl.coveritlive.com/templat.../fb_share2.png

9:04
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/7...601_normal.jpgStuartPike78:
#HBC Cllr M Dad proposes amendment supporting self determination and the people of Kashmir in Hyndburn. [via Twitter]http://cdnsl.coveritlive.com/templat.../fb_share2.png

9:05
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/7...601_normal.jpgStuartPike78:
#HBC Everyone getting very hot under the collar about motions and amendments. [via Twitter]http://cdnsl.coveritlive.com/templat.../fb_share2.png

9:10
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/7...601_normal.jpgStuartPike78:
#HBC amendment passed. [via Twitter]http://cdnsl.coveritlive.com/templat.../fb_share2.png

Replay: Hyndburn council meeting | Accrington Observer - menmedia.co.uk

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Good to see this motion was presented without prejudice, and wasn't in anyway slanted in favour of any particular side, in this conflict.

:mad:

This just gets more, and more shameful an episode.

:mad:

Besides the fact we don't damned well want our local council wasting their time, and adopting resolutions connected to controversial international causes.

:mad:

'Conflict in Kashmir
That this Council supports the Kashmir community here in Hyndburn in condemning the
atrocities committed and acts of barbaric violence by Indian Forces in Indian occupied
Kashmir which has resulted in women been gang raped, children lined up and shot dead in
front of their parents, people been torched and set on fire in their jail cells. Over one
hundred thousand people have been killed since 1989 and very recently Amnesty
International has found a number of mass graves in Kashmir. All this is because the
people of Kashmir want their right of self determination, the right which was recognised by
the United Nations in 1948.
To be moved by: Councillor Allah Dad
To be seconded by: Councillor Peter Britcliffe'
http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...to_Council.pdf

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So this time Councillor Britcliffe didn't stage a walkout about local issues but stayed to support a terrorist campaign in Kashmir.

Strange priorities, eh?

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You'd have thought H.B.C. as a whole would have had the common sense to realise there are two sides to every story, especially in this case, even if Cllr Allah Dad hasn't.

You've been used, and now we all have.

Naive doesn't even come close!

:mad:

Islamic terrorism in kashmir

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Still, if they've all garnered a few more votes, by carrying out this outrageous fiasco in council chambers, all is well.

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Whats garnered in one section of society,could well be lost in another? its a funny owd game.

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I was invited to attend this meeting.

Thankfully I wasn't well enough to get there.

No way on Earth could I have sat there in silence, gob firmly shut, whilst the local council formally adopted this politically biased, prejudiced, resolution.

I'd have been ejected.

Lucky escape.

I'd like to see the names of the councillors who voted this resolution through, posted here too.

If one pops on, they might oblige us, and supply the information.

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I can guess exactlly what happened. If I know nothing else, I know how HBC works.

The Councillor in question put forward the motion (which incidentally came between bin collections and dog fouling.) Both party leaders saw it as political dynamite not to support it, even though nobody had the faintest idea what the true facts are about Kashmiri independence. The threats of being accused as racist or anti-minority population are too great. So everybody is immediately treading on eggshells.

The motion is put, one or two heads are put above the parapet to suggest amendments, but overall everybody holds their breath, votes it through and moves on to dog fouling. (Something we can all speak with a passion about).

It explains why no councillors have been on this website defending what they voted for, because the fact is they haven't a clue what the facts are.

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I'd certainly concur with that. I doubt if most of the current mob of councillors could find Kashmir on the map; it would not surprise me if some of 'em thought it was somewhere in Burnley.

Ignorance is no excuse, however for what they did. I doubt if the decision could now be reversed, so possibly our illustrious councillors can now consider the ramifications of what they have done. The other party to Kashmir is of course India. That country is now one of the largest investors into the UK - only last week, a further 1000 jobs were announced as a result of additional investment into Jaguar-Land Rover. There are numerous other examples around the UK.

I doubt very much though, that Indian businessmen will now be looking at Hyndburn to make their investments. That’s a shame, because the town could certainly do with the jobs. We're certainly not going to get them from Pakistan, because that economy is a basket case and much of the money we do give 'em as aid ends up paying for terrorist activity in Kashmir.

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It always used to be that Council resolutions could not be changed for six months. I think it is still the same.

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Thankfully our national government have (mostly) a little more sense, than not to take sides on the issue of Kashmir, unlike our local councillors.

Local councillors who now seem keen to push aside urgent local issues, which could benefit from their attention, in order to concentrate on controversial international matters.

There have been horrific cases of human rights abuse, and acts ot terrorism, carried out by the various factions involved in this dispute.

Now, thanks to Hyndburn Borough Council, as our elected representatives, voting that they have now officially sanctioned a resolution which supports the Kashmiri peoples' right to self-determination, we have now firmly given our support to only one side in this fight, and totally disregarded the rights of the other people involved in this conflict.

This is shameful thing to have happened.

Hyndburn Borough Council have allowed themselves to be used by political lobbyists, pursuing their own prejudiced agenda.

H.B.C.'s integrity has been damaged, and sullied, by allowing some of it's own councillors, who might have their own vested interests in Kashmir, to push their own political agendas, in succeeding to recruit H.B.C. to their own controversial cause.

The council have foolhardily, and naively, allowed themselves to be used as a propagandist pawn, in a politically sensitive game of conflict.

Hyndburn Borough Council, and by association, all it's residents, now officially support the AJK Peoples Party.

Don't believe it?

Use a search engine, and see how H.B.C.'s name is now being reported on news sites all over the world, because of what they've done.

Hyndburn Borough Council - sadly unable to see more than one point of view, but at least we're now seen as Internationalists.

Congratulations.

The government realise there are two sides to every story. Unlike H.B.C., who fail to realise when they've been used.

'Vince Cable, the business secretary who is attuned to Indian sensitivities after visiting the country regularly since 1965, gave a taste of the new approach this morning. Asked about Kashmir, he said: That is a dispute within the sub-continent that we are not expressing a view on.'

'All sides agree that Britain needs to tread carefully. Harsh V Pant, an academic at King's College London, underlines this point in the Times of India this morning. He says David Miliband caused great offence when he said that resolving the Kashmir dispute was essential to dealing with extremism in south Asia.'

'Labour may have been insensitive about Kashmir and Cameron has good reason to want to treat India as a normal trading partner. But then he is not visiting India, as Tony Blair did in January 2002, when it is on the verge of nuclear war with Pakistan. The cause of that dispute? Terrorists had attacked the Indian parliament the month before. The terrorists, similar to those groups named today by Cameron for launching the 2008 attack on Mumbai, were linked to the Kashmir dispute and New Delhi blamed Islamabad for sanctioning the parliament attack.'

Cameron and co tread carefully over Kashmir | Nicholas Watt | Politics | guardian.co.uk

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Come on Tealeaf, admittedly the world's fastest growing economic powerhouse, the sub-continent we know as India, is unlikey to ever invest in this area, now H.B.C. have voted to declare their support for the AJK Peoples Party, but thanks to Graham Jones, and our Internationalist local councillors, we'll always be able to fall back on our friends in the European Union for support.

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Blimey. Six months?

Let's just hope India doesn't launch any nuclear missile attacks before next May then.

Hands up, we'll take it, but why should Burnley and Blackburn suffer the fallout?

They haven't yet decided which side they're fighting on, unlike us.

Let them live.

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Excuse be for being a tad ignorant on this matter, but don't we elect an MP to represent the people of hyndburn on international affairs, I always thought our representatives on HBC were there to tackle the more mundane task that crop up at a local level day to day, it now appears that the MP doesn't want to represent the views of his constituents and councillors are more interesting in national affairs, funny old world ain't it;)

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Maybe the local people could have been asked their views in the form of a local referendum, or maybe not;)

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Funny?

Sadly not.

Unless shameful's the new hilarity.

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I wonder if GJ or anyone else could provide a list of EU supported schemes/developments/investments or whatever in Hyndburn over the last twenty years or so? The nearest scheme that I recall was a development (exactly what sort, I don't know) by Eanam in Blackburn. There was a big sign there for several years with words to the effect "EU funded as part of the Mersey Basin Redevelopment".

I can't think of 'owt. However, a quick back-of-the-envelope calculation gives me a figure of approaching 2000 quid for every man woman and child in the borough as being their cost of EU membership over the same period.

And jobs to show for it........none.

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We once went to war on a resolution taken on our behalf Rindi:rolleyes:

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Well you know as well as me gynn the Kashmiri question isn't a new concept, its been buzzing about for years, I remember it arising as long ago as when Ken Hargreaves was MP that's 19 years ago

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If you mention the eighties, I'm off.

I keep getting flashbacks of Hatton, and Linda Bellos, and breaking out in cold sweats, imagining I'm back under the loony left's rule, as it is.

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