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garinda 15-11-2011 16:31
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Originally Posted by gynn (Post 948308)
More likely you'll have a fatwah issued against you :(
By saying I don't support any particular faction, and condemn the horrific acts of violence carried out by ALL sides in this conflict?

I'll take this risk.

I'm sure H.B.C. will offer me sanctuary if that happens.

:rolleyes:

garinda 15-11-2011 16:33
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Originally Posted by gynn (Post 948308)
More likely you'll have a fatwah issued against you :(
Though the only replies I've had so far, have been from Indian newspapers.

Odd, that.

:rolleyes:

jaysay 15-11-2011 17:54
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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 948311)
Does it come with chips?:D
And curry sauce:D

garinda 15-11-2011 19:08
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Dailymotion - Pakistani terrorism in Kashmir 1 of 2 - a News & Politics video

Dailymotion - Pakistani terrorism in Kashmir 2 of 2 - a News & Politics video

Interesting films about this conflict.

garinda 15-11-2011 22:55
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Four replies now.

All from India.

None from newspapers in Pakistan.

Strange, that.

:confused:

Tealeaf 15-11-2011 23:10
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 948487)
Four replies now.

All from India.

None from newspapers in Pakistan.

Strange, that.

:confused:
You just make sure that when you reply in turn, you make them fully aware of exactly how unrepresentative HBC is of the people they so falsely purport to represent and the extent to which the same spineless and gutless jokers have kow-towed to an extremist minority.

garinda 15-11-2011 23:46
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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 948490)
You just make sure that when you reply in turn, you make them fully aware of exactly how unrepresentative HBC is of the people they so falsely purport to represent and the extent to which the same spineless and gutless jokers have kow-towed to an extremist minority.
I will, though when earlier today I wrote to all the leading Pakistani and Indian newspapers, stating that this wasn't done in my name, and sending a link to one of the news agencies now carrying this international story, I did mention that I was one of the 76,221 Hyndburn residents, who don't 'identify themselves as Kashmiri'.

Apparently they number 4,200.

Ethnic status given to Kashmiris | Accrington Observer - menmedia.co.uk

So presumably, our council voted to officially support this resolution in their name.

Even though the 4,200 are residents in Hyndburn, just the same as everyone else, and I thought the council said we are all supposed to be equal.

So you'd have thought Hyndburn Borough Council would be encouraging us all to identify, first and foremost, as Hyndburnians, seeing as they our local council.

Being so divisive doesn't foster thoughts of equalness.

Eric 16-11-2011 01:43
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 948495)
I will, though when earlier today I wrote to all the leading Pakistani and Indian newspapers, stating that this wasn't done in my name, and sending a link to one of the news agencies now carrying this international story, I did mention that I was one of the 76,221 Hyndburn residents, who don't 'identify themselves as Kashmiri'.

Apparently they number 4,200.

Ethnic status given to Kashmiris | Accrington Observer - menmedia.co.uk

So presumably, our council voted to officially support this resolution in their name.

Even though the 4,200 are residents in Hyndburn, just the same as everyone else, and I thought the council said we are all supposed to be equal.

So you'd have thought Hyndburn Borough Council would be encouraging us all to identify, first and foremost, as Hyndburnians, seeing as they our local council.

Being so divisive doesn't foster thoughts of equalness.

Mmmmm .... "what it means to be a Kashmiri living in Hyndburn" ... let me think about this one:confused: Maybe it means you are a hell of a lot better off than a Kashmiri living in Kashmir .... kind of a no brainer, eh:rolleyes:

Gayle 16-11-2011 05:38
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 948067)
No T what I was saying was the the Kashmiri question was being talked about in 91 not a resolution
Ken Hargreaves presented a petition about it in 1992.

Mr Kenneth Hargreaves, former MP, Hyndburn - TheyWorkForYou

garinda 16-11-2011 06:25
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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 948524)
Ken Hargreaves presented a petition about it in 1992.

Mr Kenneth Hargreaves, former MP, Hyndburn - TheyWorkForYou
He did, as did Greg Pope, who added his name to various Kashmiri lobbyist group's campaigns.

Shameful isn't it?

Taking sides, when appalling acts of terrorism, and human rights abuses, have been carried out by all opposing factions in this dispute.

Just because politicans of both major parties have pandered to a minority of Hyndburn residents, who according to themselves,' identify as Kashmiri', does not make it right.

In my eyes, it most certainly is not right.

As stated, I support none of the warring factions, this resolution was not adopted in my name, and I totally condemn the attrocities carried out on both sides.

mobertol 16-11-2011 06:33
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I don't advocate sitting on the fence normally but it's best to leave certain things well alone if they are outside your competence. International affairs belong in the Central Government.

Since there are so many factions involved and the shadow of terrorism is very real and constant in this case it is not wise to take too strong a stance on one side, leave diplomatic affairs to those who are well versed in them. Local affairs for a local council -not that difficult, avoid the firing line!

garinda 16-11-2011 06:41
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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 948524)
Ken Hargreaves presented a petition about it in 1992.

Mr Kenneth Hargreaves, former MP, Hyndburn - TheyWorkForYou
Some, who voted they represent them in Westminster, might expect their M.P. to have an interest in intermational issues.

I'm yet to meet anyone who thinks it right that a local borough council involve itself in controversial matters, thousands of miles outside the borough's boundary, in other countries.

Nor do I know anyone who agrees it's right that local councils be so easily duped, by those who might have a vested interest, so their official support can then be used as propaganda

jaysay 16-11-2011 09:37
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 948495)
I will, though when earlier today I wrote to all the leading Pakistani and Indian newspapers, stating that this wasn't done in my name, and sending a link to one of the news agencies now carrying this international story, I did mention that I was one of the 76,221 Hyndburn residents, who don't 'identify themselves as Kashmiri'.

Apparently they number 4,200.

Ethnic status given to Kashmiris | Accrington Observer - menmedia.co.uk

So presumably, our council voted to officially support this resolution in their name.

Even though the 4,200 are residents in Hyndburn, just the same as everyone else, and I thought the council said we are all supposed to be equal.

So you'd have thought Hyndburn Borough Council would be encouraging us all to identify, first and foremost, as Hyndburnians, seeing as they our local council.

Being so divisive doesn't foster thoughts of equalness.
Well I always thought that when people came from overseas to settle in this country was to improve there lives, not carry on banging on about what is happening back home, to me if they were that concerned why not stay home and help change things from the inside not the outside looking in, just my thoughts on the matter;)

jaysay 16-11-2011 09:41
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 948534)
Some, who voted they represent them in Westminster, might expect their M.P. to have an interest in intermational issues.

I'm yet to meet anyone who thinks it right that a local borough council involve itself in controversial matters, thousands of miles outside the borough's boundary, in other countries.

Nor do I know anyone who agrees it's right that local councils be so easily duped, by those who might have a vested interest, so their official support can then be used as propaganda
Ya I remember Ken being involved with this, but he was taking it up on behalf of certain constituents, which actually is what he's was elected to do, but why the council singles out a small group for special treatment is very strange to me

garinda 17-11-2011 16:19
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An interesting read.

AFSPA revocation: Where angels fear to tread : Gaurav C. Sawant - Headlines Today Blogs

Proving there are always two sides to every story.

Everywhere except in our council chambers here in Hyndburn, it would appear.


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