Originally Posted by Eric (Post 958912)

Canada's a very big country, home to many different races and cultures. We don't have the death penalty. And even (notice I began this sentence with a conjunction;)) without the death penalty, our murder rate is going down. In fact, the rates for all types of crime are on the way down. Point is though, if anyone could demonstrate to me ... logically, statistically, whatever -ally, that capital pusnishment is a deterrent to murder, I would be all in favour of it. But as far as I can see, it doesn't work as a deterrent. I know folks who are in favout of it for the wrong reasons: probably the decendants of those who did their knitting by the guillotine, or who got their jollies at Tyburn. But, as a deterrent to murder, it just doesn't work. And however many jerks, assholes, losers, etc. are hanged, fried, or shot, it will never work.

Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 958874)

with DNA today and it can be proved without a shadow of doubt murderers should be killed then tax payers money would not be wasted feeding and looking after them in prison

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 958912)

Canada's a very big country, home to many different races and cultures. We don't have the death penalty. And even (notice I began this sentence with a conjunction;)) without the death penalty, our murder rate is going down. In fact, the rates for all types of crime are on the way down. Point is though, if anyone could demonstrate to me ... logically, statistically, whatever -ally, that capital pusnishment is a deterrent to murder, I would be all in favour of it. But as far as I can see, it doesn't work as a deterrent. I know folks who are in favout of it for the wrong reasons: probably the decendants of those who did their knitting by the guillotine, or who got their jollies at Tyburn. But, as a deterrent to murder, it just doesn't work. And however many jerks, assholes, losers, etc. are hanged, fried, or shot, it will never work.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 958924)

It might be worthwhile checking out how much it costs in the US to keep a guy on death row while he goes through all the appeal processes which are his right as a US citizen. It might surprise you. And give you something to occupy yourself on a cold winter's day.;) The saving money argument works just about as well as the deterrent argument.

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 958920)

They do say no one hanged for murder ever committed another one-or any other crime come to that.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 958929)

Don't buy that at all, talking about the U.K. not the U.S.A. we aint got a death row n the circus that goes wi it.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 958941)

But you will have ... there are lawyers, probably a lot like your former PM's wife, who will make sure of it;)

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 958928)

And I agree fully with what you say Eric;)

A death penalty for me is impossible to defend in a civilized society.

What do you think are the particular set of circumstances in Canada that make the lowering of the crime rate a reality?

Do you think that it has something to do with the quality of life that you have over there?

Is it something to do with the style of policing?

Is there just a different mentality among the population which is successfully transmitted to the young - do you think that people have greater hope of having decent prospects and a better life?

So many of our young people are disillusioned with what the UK/ Europe can offer -the future seems pretty dismal and perhaps that is a factor affecting the crime rate here (undoubtedly it was a factor in the summer riots both in the UK and Italy).

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 958939)

Yes, true indeed. But did he commit the murder he was hanged for?

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 958964)

Pointless discussing that once he's hanged.

Perhaps if we made hangings public again it would be more of a deterrent?

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 958912)

Canada's a very big country, home to many different races and cultures. We don't have the death penalty. And even (notice I began this sentence with a conjunction;)) without the death penalty, our murder rate is going down. In fact, the rates for all types of crime are on the way down. Point is though, if anyone could demonstrate to me ... logically, statistically, whatever -ally, that capital pusnishment is a deterrent to murder, I would be all in favour of it. But as far as I can see, it doesn't work as a deterrent. I know folks who are in favout of it for the wrong reasons: probably the decendants of those who did their knitting by the guillotine, or who got their jollies at Tyburn. But, as a deterrent to murder, it just doesn't work. And however many jerks, assholes, losers, etc. are hanged, fried, or shot, it will never work.

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 958928)

And I agree fully with what you say Eric;)

A death penalty for me is impossible to defend in a civilized society.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 958974)

No it wouldn't ... would just mean that more sickos could get together and watch someone hang ... lot like a snuff movie, eh. Kinda like the hard-line islamists, who fill football stadiums with horny males getting their jollies from watching women being flogged.