Omg ott! DNA for dogs
 

Front page of the obbo!


Have you seen it?
DNA for dogs?
Just to trace poo?

Be honest, as bad as standing on a turd is, let's not go daft.

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Rubbish like that is one of the reasons i rarely buy the paper.

But your a dog owner!

You've got to wipe it's arse with something.

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Wardens with night vision goggles.

Now pie in the sky talk of creating a DNA data base of doggy plop-plops.

I wonder what they'll come up with next?

Perhaps they might get Knitty Nora back, for some more community arts, and we'll all be crocheting some nice little canine incontinence pants.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see, what Cllr. Ken Mess has up his sleeve.

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You couldn't make it up could you

Leave dead Ken alone, if you had read the article, he was ducking under as best he could.

Perhaps he was given the job as spokesman for such a red hot pile of doo doo by the bosses just to see him sink?

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Whoopsie!

That should of course read 'Cllr. Ken Moss'.

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Try living where I do in the Peel ward and you would all appreciate anything being done to prevent this health hazard. Inconsiderate dog owners need to caught and taught a lesson, you wouldn't all be bleating on about it if it blinded one of children or grandchildren. Bring it on, catch the dirty gits and prosecute them. :mad:

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There seemed to be a whiff of desperation about the whole 'story'.

Still, we should support these madcap schemes.

I'll be taking my specimen in tomorrow.

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Lindsay I totally agree, but DNA, me thinks somebody at HBC has been watching too much CSI:rolleyes:

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No one in this thread has said this isn't a problem.

However the 'headline story' is risible.

No one knows if it's possible, or how much it would cost.

Or even if it's even legally possible to have a data base of every dog in Hyndburn's DNA profile.

The article more or less concludes it's unlikely to happen.

That, not the problem, is laughable.

I agree that folk should take care and be responsible for their animals.

This surely can be done without Dna samples?

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The simplest way, to effectively solve this problem, would be to remove all pavements and lamp-posts in the borough.

It worked, ridding Accy of town centre drinkers, by removing the benches from outside of the Market Hall.

:rolleyes:

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If, by some miracle, the council did compile a DNA data base of every dog in Hyndburn, we'd probably still have a problem.

There'd be hit an run attacks.

From Dingle dog owners, driving their dogs over the border, to lay an untraceable, steaming dog egg.

No, the simplest way would be make all dog owners take their dogs to the vets, have them all put down, then we can start on the cats!

What? Too simplistic? Too harsh for you owners?

Well the answer is simple take responsibility and don't just take your little poochykins crapping in the same place every time, convenient for you, perhaps, not good for the folk that live next to the growing stinking pile!

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I always said you should stand for the council Rindi, you'd be a real hit:)

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I would expect the council would need a court order to force me to give a dna sample from my dog so I don't see how this would work.

I totally agree with all dogs having a sensible priced license, micro chipping and DNA record but this should be sorted by the government. Not just for sorting out dog mess areas but also for dealing with dog attacks on people and other animals.

I would go as far as impounding any non licensed dogs and destroying them within 4 weeks if not licensed and collected by the owners.

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Is that some sort of Lanky rhyming slang, I've never come across?

:D

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That's right - these dog owners think they are beyond the law! This will take the smile of their faces they should have their noses rubbed in their dogs crap and then some! :mosher:

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Stupid reply! :(

Bring back the dog licence and each dog has to be DNA'd for the record then it can be traced! Bring these dog owners to heel! There is nothing worse than some one who thinks their dog is beyond the law and poisoning the environment!

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Yo, a little Doggy humour snuck in there Kes ? :rolleyes:

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No, it isn't.

At least to anyone compos mentis, who's read any threads on Accy Web, relating to local politics on this forum, over the last year or so.

They'll all understand the not so subtle sarcasm.

You probabably missed those threads.

Whoosh.

Off your head, in your drug den debate.

OK mods you can close the thread, once kestrelx appears we know it's gone as low as it can do, may as well start talking about Hitler and all the good he did for the world.

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"A national "Canine" DNA bank could solve the problem - samples found in undesignated areas for fouling could then be tested and the perpetrator identified!"

Thought i had a sense of dèjà-vu about this...the above was my post #71 on the thread "Going to far.." remember it well because i got a slapped wrist off Neil for writing something that rhymes with "eejit":D

I think that someone from the newspaper might have read the previous thread and has made up the story...

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Or been tipped the wink by Neil?:D

I wonder, was it he that changed the title from:-
Omg ott!

To

Omg ott! Dna for dogs

I think the answer is yes.

No need Neil folk found it anyway, just stick to moderating, I'll make up a perfectly legal title for a thread, thank you very much,
Could we have it changed back please?

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Bird watching again:D

Make that 4 days and I'd agree with you, if it takes 4 weeks to notice then go looking after your dog's gone missing, it's better off dead.

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Nothing at all to do with me, maybe Ken knows how this idea started.

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someone tell me why hyndburns dog warden is seen regularly in rising bridge ... seeing as we are in rossendale .. whats he doing here ....

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Probably dossing.:D

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Spreading DNA.

All the dogs he catches in Hyndburn, he takes them there for their walkies.

;):D

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Any volunteers to collect samples?

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Let's have dna samples on view in Haworth Art Gallery

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This whole front page exclusive is the result of an off the cuff remark at an Area Council meeting after I was contacted by a forensic vet who had seen our ongoing attempts at tackling dog fouling in the national press. I have had a brief e-mail correspondence with the gentleman who explained what he does and have said I will get back in touch at some point but that is all. I haven't spoken to him, we haven't done any costings and it is not something I have explored in any depth at all. Despite telling reporter Jon McPherson this repeatedly, he decided to make a sensational news story out of it in much the same way as he did with the bus trips last month.

My working relationship with Emma Cruces at the Lancashire Telegraph far more satisfactory and if I ask her not to run a story until I have more facts for her she will wait rather than fill up the Hyndburn page with rubbish like this.

I'm afraid this Grade A story from the Accrington Observer has only led me to to further mistrust its reporters. Pity really, I always try to give them something each week for their Rishton page. Hacking off the sources of your news stories isn't the best way of going about things and I won't be sending stories or giving interviews to the Accrington Observer in future.

Enjoy your front page story, I hope it was worth it.

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News must have been very slow this week Ken, or maybe Reporters who arn't prepared to go out and find it, it is there, if they look. Was talking to my Son In Law at lunchtime, he's a former CSI officer, when I mentioned the story he just laughed.:D

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Whatever you may think of the controlling group, I'm never left to fend for myself or take the flack for something. If anything, Deputy Leader Clare Pritchard has done a lot of work to help me out on several projects far and above what I would expect from any colleague.

We don't dump each other in it, we leave that to other political groups.

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There is news aplenty, but as you say you have to look for it. It might not all be Daily Mail sensationalism but I would rather see three or four small articles about upcoming local events than read some non-story that is padded out just to fill up space.

I want to support my local paper, I really do, but it makes it very difficult when facts are thrown over in favour of a supposedly hot story.

Very disappointing.

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Especially when the Hot Story, is cobblers:D

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'Those who would sup with the devil need a long spoon.'

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Apparently so, all over the streets to be more precise so hence the headlines ! ;)

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Garinda, please could you tell me what the profile picture is about, I'm finding it slightly disturbing but at the same time inriguing - sorry to break the thread!

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I like it.

The greens are soothing.

Reminds me of a self-portrait I had to do when I was seventeen, and had acne.

:D

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You will be accused of going horse riding together if you are not careful :rofl38::rofl38:

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Good post Ken, too many people abuse those in power who have hard and often unpopular decisions to make

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don't you mean take the smile of their faeces :ooh:

sorry for the late response,been busy (bizzy get it) no, never mind

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Thought bizzy was a cop in Liverpool Dave:D

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Is this another first for Hyndburn Council ? Even the National press have picked it up. :confused: And poor old Kenny boy is being named as the instigator. :eek:

Dog mess could be subjected to DNA testing under plans being considered by a council - Telegraph

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Scuffers Jay. ;)

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This is a second incident of misreporting/overinflating facts by the Observer.

Could a strongly worded solicitors letter deter them from doing it yet again?

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They must be two of the better names used for the police in Liverpool:D

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The Observer 'story' only said what Ken's basically posted on here.

It's a non-story, but no laws have been broken.

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Only the laws of decent journalism Rindi:rolleyes:

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If you're operating on a shoestring this is what you get.

The days of the traditional local printed press are probably numbered.

Sadly.

How many people on here no longer get the Observer each weekend, but glance at their website, for free?

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Don't know if you've realised or not but this story is from the pages of the "Daily Telegraph" and not the "Lancashire Telegraph".

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That story may be crap (ha ha) but it has the cutest mutt!

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It looks as though Ken is being targeted by this misreporting.

I wonder which member of the opposition he most upset, and is malicious enough to encourage the Observer to publish such stuff:rolleyes:

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Just as the story of the night-vision goggled dog wardens was picked up by the big boys.

Well we are Hyndburn International.

Even if all the stories that are now associated with Hyndburn are literally excrement.

In the Second World War everyone knew that 'Careless Talk Cost Lives'.

Perhaps the blabber mouths at H.B.C. should remember this, when feeding their tit-bits to the press.

Forget Floral Market Town.

Hyndburn - Where Crap Talks.

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I doubt the opposition knows what Cllr. Moss tells the press.

If you attempt to use the press for your own gain, there's very often a price to pay.

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Probably because the 'off-the-cuff' remark came from his lips.

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it is , but I used in the context of "bizzed me pants" if im allowed to say that:help:

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Here's two more recent front page non-stories, which were published, after receiving the information from someone at H.B.C.

£2m bid to bring back 'heritage look' to Accrington town centre street | Accrington Observer - menmedia.co.uk

£2.5m plan to restore Accrington Arcade | Accrington Observer - menmedia.co.uk

When you wade through all the guff, basically a bid has been put in for Lottery funding, which means that unless the bid is successful, the schemes are just pie in the sky.

If you're going to use the press to try and create positive public relation stories, from which you hope to gain politically, you must also be prepared that they'll sometimes use you for their own ends. Which is to sell papers.

It's risky.

Especially for an amateur.

You sometimes end up with egg on your face.

Or in this case, dog crap.

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You should be a reporter, planting the seed in peoples head so they go off thinking all sorts of nonsense.

I think Ken handled the story very well. He told them what he knows and the reporter wrote the story from that.

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These bids always need community consultation and involvement and this usually has to be demonstrated in the bid. The downside of over publicising these bids is that the public start to think you are useless when they don't succeed.

What many people don't realise is that a successful bid is by no means a certainty. As an example, one of the groups I am involved with has just been offered some extra money on the back of a recent project. Only 40 out of 1000 were offered this so 960 were unlucky.

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Using the press for political purposes always has a plus and minus to it, can't say it makes much difference now, well not with the obs, but in the old days when Murvyn was the editor, the journalism at the obs was quite good and there were reporters that were prepared to go out into the community to gather news stories and not just sit at the end of a telephone waiting for it to come to them, that why we're getting a lot of none stories, because nobody cares about the truth anymore, never has the saying Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story, been more relevant than today

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I think thats a very unfair comment. How many reporters were there in the old days as you put it? I suspect more than now.

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Oh I quite agree.

I think it's daft for it to be announced to the press, at this stage, when nothing's happened, other than a bid for funding has been made.

The press then run with this 'good news' (non-) story.

I don't blame the press.

They work with information that's been fed to them.

It's as pie in the sky as someone announcing they're buying a yacht, because they've just purchased a lottery ticket.

If you use the press to garner political advantage for yourself, don't be too suprised if they sometimes use you.

Even an 'off-the-cuff', unguarded remark, can prove profitable.

As with the front page story about Ken, and his DNA doggy plop-plops.

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That's what he's saying.

No disrespect to today's reporters.

They do the best they can, with limited time, and resources.

The days of a busy Observer newsroom, with investagtive reporting, has long gone.

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The press, on the whole, does still print the truth.

They can face legal action, when they don't.

Even if we think something's really not very newsworthy.

As in this case.

What they ran with, is basically what Ken Moss posted on here.

Just with a bit of spin.

Though apparently still the truth.

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Well if they want real bull, they should try kestrelx posts.:D

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Its not about numbers Neil, the old school Observer ALL the reporters went out into the public they didn't just site on their hands waiting for news to come to them, the nearest you get to a reporter these days is if they send out a photographer. I can remember the deputy Editor coming round to see me a number of occasions back in the nineties, to follow up a story, that wouldn't happen today

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It is about numbers, they don't have the time to do that now.

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Well lets put it this way if you were a self driven journalist, would you be happy just to sit at the end of a telephone waiting for somebody to ring you with a story, you can't research any story sat on your backside that's why the Obs is now a waste of space

Of course you can, you look it up on wiki.

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Ya can't research Trout Rustling in Tinker Brook on Wiki Less;)

If it ain't on wiki it hasn't happened yet.
Or maybe it's under a different heading? 'families poisoned by river stinks mutant sticklebacks'.

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Try ten trout tickled at Tinker today.:)

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Just like to say how tickled I am:D

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Well in some parts of the country they have wardens looking for dog walkers who let their dogs foul! They take photos and issue them with on spot fines. So why not have dog turd samplers and a DNA data base! :alright:

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Like I said before, I think it would need a change of law or a court order to force dog owners to give a DNS sample from their dogs

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Not to mention the cost Neil

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i think its about time dna samples were taken from cats so cat owners can be fined.Cat owners are way worse offenders than dog owners for letting their pets poop where they sholdnt and iv yet to see 1 cat owner clean up after its moggy where as at least most dog owners clear up after their dogs.

if its what dogs do wont wash with the law then why shoudl its what cats do wash with the law?

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What does it cost to clean up the mess?
You need to know the cost of both before you can dismiss the idea on cost alone.

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The cost of DNA testing would be exorbitant and would way down the list, I would imagine you wouldn't have much change out of £200 a pop for the testing, but at £50 a time it wouldn't be feasible, how many dogs are there in Hyndburn and for the scheme to be effective all dogs would need to be on that list, something else that wouldn't happen

And so would every dog turd, they won't be tested for free!

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Exactly Less, its a complete load of nonsense, the thing is for every dog to be tested for their DNA, it could be done on a whim from HBC, it would take government legislation, the council couldn't compel dog owners to have their dogs tested, so the all exercise is a none starter

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That is what I said and why it would need government involved.

I still think if you have a dog you should pay a license fee, it should be chipped and dna tested. Any dogs found not licensed, chipped and tested should be confiscated and destroyed after 14 days if not collected with the legals completed.

Lets see who moans about that first.

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Well it won't be me, anyone that wants an animal should be responsible enough to obey all laws concerning it.

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Lets not stick to dogs, lets expand it to cats as has been previously stated, then lets look at horses, they may not be as numerous, but they leave a lump that you can trip over.
Then we should expand it to birds, lets start with pidgeons they make a mess on cars and public buildings, then lets expand it to seagulls, they fly in flocks from the tip just letting rip at will........I think I may have overstated it a bit, but it is just as daft as the original idea:silly:

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I agree with you Less. Before we got our dog I tried to find out the legal responsibilities for dog owners. You would expect that to be a simple thing like looking at the dog warden section on Hyndburns website. They tell you nothing at all. Even so called good dog forums don't help out owners by stating legal responsibilities so its not surprising many people are unaware of the current dog laws.

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Used to be shovels at dawn on Cranbourne Drive waiting for Jackson's milk delivery. Bobby the cart-horse was fairly regular in his daily routine, in front of number 24 usually. Then it was a real "War of the Roses" -whoever shovelled it up first had the best display guaranteed -highly prized stuff among garden enthusiasts! Worth its steaming weight in gold;):D

I always put it on my rhubarb if I'm lucky enough to come across it.

;)

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May I be the first to state the obvious... I prefer custard on mine!
Boom Boom!

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If it was the same benifical outcome with dog poo then people would follow me around when I walk the dog, rather than chase me with a stick:gooddog: :dancedog::ooh: :dogrun::ooh:

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There are no problems with responsible dog owners, its the dog owner who don't give a damn, I find it hard that a dog should be put down because some owner can't be bothered to do the right thing, maybe we should put the owners down:rolleyes:

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Is that your keyboard, you, or your spell checker, surely you mean poop ? :D

I met one of these so called responsible dog owners on my way down town, she had it on a lead.

It happened to be one of those extendable leads, allows the dog 50 feet extension, but what the hey, the dogs under control?

It was on a narrow path, the dog took a dislike to me sharing it's space and yapping and running had my legs tied in knots.

The owners reaction? Will you stop annoying my dog?

Once untangled from this hound from hell, it moved less then 3 yards, then left solid evidence it had been there.

I asked the owner to clean up, after all, it's her dog, the language from such a frail old lady gave me the impression her earlier career had been located outside the Bay Horse in Blackburn, some of the words, I didn't recognise.

:)

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Well I've just had a word with my Son-in-law who is an ex-csi investigator, at the time he retired, 4 years ago, only mitochondrial DNA was possible from waste from either an animal or a human, it could have changed. The cost to the police at that time for a forensic DNA test was about £90 but is was a deal done with the police, so no doubt it would be more now

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Undoubtedley the whole idea is ridiculous -that's why we're all enjoying wittering on about it and making "excrement" related jokes and comments.

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Naughty naughty Di - Neil told me off for using asterisks last week and removed them - apparently they are not allowed...