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westendlass 22-05-2013 19:13

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OMG. Have you seen the footage on the news? What a tragedy. One of the lunatics was broadcast covered in blood wielding a machete and knives and ranting about the government. When is this country going to wake up and start being proactive instead of inactive. This situation was a tragedy waiting to happen and, unless something is done, will happen again.

lancsdave 22-05-2013 19:33

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Originally Posted by westendlass (Post 1060177)
unless something is done, will happen again.

Nothing will be done. Lots of hot air from a few numb head politicians then it will all be forgotten until next time

Sara 22-05-2013 19:42

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Don't know what to say, it is so shocking and disgusting, hanging is to good for them bar stewards.

westendlass 22-05-2013 19:50

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Both suspects were shot so that's some result. Pity the family of the poor bloke that was murdered.

accyman 22-05-2013 20:02

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so confidant was one of teh attackers he walked around having his picture taken holding a large knife and his hands compltely red with blood

i wont post teh picture because kids read this too but if ya google it im sure the same pictures will come up

soldiers not safe in their own country because government fails to address the issue for fear of been accused of been racist

tough crap if you believe your god wants you to kill inocent people then you have no place in this country so please sod off back to your cappy country and stop enjoying our western ways

accyman 22-05-2013 20:05

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Meanwhile Prime Minister David Cameron cancelled a meeting with French President Francois Hollande to return to London. He said Britain has faced similar terror attacks before and added: ‘We will never buckle in the face of it.’


oh well that will stop it and make everything ok wont it cameron ffs :rolleyes:

of course cameron wont buckle hes notthe one likely to get hacked to death and has quite a strong force protecting him 24/7

how about taking some flipping action for once instead of releasing soundbytes

lancsdave 22-05-2013 20:08

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Law and Order in this country doesn't even stretch to stopping alkies roaming round Accrington town centre with their cans. All political hot air and no action as usual

westendlass 22-05-2013 20:17

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Feels like having your hands tied behind your back. This is only going to end in a backlash when something could be done to prevent this from happening.

gpick24 22-05-2013 20:41

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Haven`t seen news yet, but told about it. If they survived being shot, they should take them down the beach, bury them till they have just there head showing and stone the fookers until they are almost dead, give them the treatment they need to get them back to OK health then do it all over again.

MargaretR 22-05-2013 20:54

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News from Twitter -

EDL are rallying members to Woolwich with a view to causing a riot.

accyman 22-05-2013 20:56

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1060195)
News from Twitter -

EDL are rallying and rioting in Woolwich

not going to help much really infact i have no doubt polititions will use the EDL to deflect from the real issue now

not that i exepect this or any government we have of ever doing anything constructive about anything

conservitives will talk about doing somthing and deliver nothing and labour would let even more in to teh country

MargaretR 22-05-2013 20:58

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I sometimes wonder whether such murderous incidents are set up just to provoke.

If riots happen, it will lead to further limitations on freedom.

cashman 22-05-2013 21:15

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I'm amazed its taken this long fer a terrible incident like this to happen in the U.K. Every terrorist in the world,must know that our country is the softest touch, will also be amazed if the perps were not on benefits of some description.Its about ruddy time Government really got to grips wi whats going on, Thought doubt if any ever will.:rolleyes:

accyman 22-05-2013 22:09

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lets face it the easiest part of an islamic nutters job when wanting to commit a terrorist act is getting into the country

it should be the bloody hardest part

cashman 22-05-2013 22:10

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It saddens me to say this, but probably the root cause is New Labour @ Blairs policy of mass immigration.:( What yeh gotta say about that cmon?

DtheP47 22-05-2013 22:32

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1060185)
tough crap if you believe your god wants you to kill inocent people then you have no place in this country so please sod off back to your cappy country and stop enjoying our western ways

Pound to a piece of dung these are home grown bods but have been radicalised by influences originating outside the UK.

cashman 22-05-2013 22:35

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Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1060217)
Pound to a piece of dung these are home grown bods but have been radicalised by influences originating outside the UK.

Quite possible, theres been Somalis in woolwich n surrounding area fer a good few years now, my moneys on not home grown though.

accyman 22-05-2013 23:50

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1060209)
It saddens me to say this, but probably the root cause is New Labour @ Blairs policy of mass immigration.:( What yeh gotta say about that cmon?

blair basicaly open the floodgates to islamic nutters then decided to start a war on islamic countries based on lies made up by bush and himself

basically anything that has happened to this country and our troops in the past 15 years or so is down to blair been nothing more than americas little bitch

accyman 23-05-2013 00:02

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speaking of blair whats the odds on blairs wife defending these scumbags

DtheP47 23-05-2013 07:20

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1060218)
Quite possible, theres been Somalis in woolwich n surrounding area fer a good few years now, my moneys on not home grown though.

Whichwhatever way MrC we will have funded their education/redicalisation in one or more ways.
As the FBI did not only with Al Capone but also with the 9/11 perps..... "follow the money"

jaysay 23-05-2013 08:15

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1060208)
lets face it the easiest part of an islamic nutters job when wanting to commit a terrorist act is getting into the country

it should be the bloody hardest part

Most of these committing these atrocities on British Soil are born and bred here, the nutter's who bombed the underground and London Bus spring to mind

jaysay 23-05-2013 08:49

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https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...76625648_n.pngmakes you wonder don't it

cashman 23-05-2013 09:05

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Never a truer word mate.:(

Boeing Guy 23-05-2013 09:15

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It seems these Terrorists, I just call them murderers, wanted to be filmed, judging by last nights ITV news, and sky this morning.
I have not looked at online videos yet.
By broadcasting this, these b..........have won. they want publicity, we should deny it.
Sad that people are happy to film on their mobiles and them sell the footage to the press.

cashman 23-05-2013 09:25

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Understand what yer saying B.G. n its a valid observation, But surely the British Public should be told whats actually going on on our streets? The only way we can really protest about lack of action, isthe Ballot Box?:confused: People who film stuff like this on mobiles then sell to the press, are sheer greedy scumbags in my view n should be treated wi contempt by all who know em.:(

westendlass 23-05-2013 09:28

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Do you think they would let Beverly Allit out of Broadmoor for a spot of day release work at the hospitals where these scumbags are being treated?

Boeing Guy 23-05-2013 09:31

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Fair point Cashy, we need to know what's happening. Itv showed the scumbag giving his reasons for the attack. We should not give these scumbags a platform to issue their rants.

However it was encouraging to see the general public getting involved trying to calm Down the situation

jaysay 23-05-2013 10:17

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1060237)
Understand what yer saying B.G. n its a valid observation, But surely the British Public should be told whats actually going on on our streets? The only way we can really protest about lack of action, isthe Ballot Box?:confused: People who film stuff like this on mobiles then sell to the press, are sheer greedy scumbags in my view n should be treated wi contempt by all who know em.:(

Nothing will every change Cashy, even at the ballot box if we don't sort out this human rights act which so many of this scum hide behind aided and abetted by the likes of Mrs. Blair (for a huge fat fee that is) The human rights act wasn't devised to shield this scum but it does:mad::mad::mad:

mobertol 23-05-2013 10:35

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Some things really are just too horrific to be contemplated. Much heart goes out to the poor man who was the victim of such an inhumane attack and also to his family who must be going through the pains of hell right now. There is no doubt about the guilt of these murderers. They deserve no clemency. They believe they are at war with Britain and surely deserve a military terror trial or does this not exist? If it doesn't it should. :mad:

accyman 23-05-2013 10:54

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i have no idea why the police didnt shoot to kill because now we have the expense of a trial and teh expense of keeping them fed in prison.

a head shot would have saved a lot of money and delivered justice for the victim.Now the victims familes have to live knowing the muderer will probbably get let out in a few years

cashman 23-05-2013 12:26

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1060247)
i have no idea why the police didnt shoot to kill because now we have the expense of a trial and teh expense of keeping them fed in prison.

a head shot would have saved a lot of money and delivered justice for the victim.Now the victims familes have to live knowing the muderer will probbably get let out in a few years

To be honest,i aint sure shoot to kill is the answer,? I reckon wound n then behind closed doors torture the crap outa em until they get more info on this scum, Then top em. Will never happen like that, but it damn well should.:mad:

Studio25 23-05-2013 14:06

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1060247)
i have no idea why the police didnt shoot to kill because now we have the expense of a trial and teh expense of keeping them fed in prison.

a head shot would have saved a lot of money and delivered justice for the victim.Now the victims familes have to live knowing the muderer will probbably get let out in a few years

According to what's just been said on Jeremy Vine's show, they did shoot to kill, they just missed.

Police are trained to aim for centre body mass, i.e. the middle of the thorax. Headshots aren't attempted because there's too much risk of missing or the shot passing through. ("Be sure of your target and what's beyond it".)

Wounding is not an option simply because one of the original basic rules of firearm usage is that you never discharge your weapon unless you absolutely want your target destroyed.

cashman 23-05-2013 14:13

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Well if they say that on Jeremy Vine, it must be right.:D:D

jaysay 23-05-2013 17:22

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1060247)
i have no idea why the police didn't shoot to kill because now we have the expense of a trial and the expense of keeping them fed in prison.

a head shot would have saved a lot of money and delivered justice for the victim.Now the victims families have to live knowing the murderer will probably get let out in a few years

Can you just imagine the cries of murder coming from the bleeding heart Guardian reading Liberals accyman, But I for one totally agree with you, although now they will spend probably a full life term and won't be treated as martyr's

Barrie Yates 23-05-2013 17:40

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1060272)
Well if they say that on Jeremy Vine, it must be right.:D:D

It is true Cashy, DinG will probably agree, shots are aimed at the largest body mass, it might not kill but it will take them down.

Interrogations should be carried out in pig styes - interrogators could wear masks and protective clothing.

accyman 23-05-2013 17:53

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we dont really need to know who sent them it would be much more simple to stop them coming in

one of these guys stated in a video that what he did was because what he did was happening in his villages back home

not by our bloody soldiers it isnt its his own brothers ,uncles etc that are driving around village to village raping and murdering their own people

what he shoudl have done was stay at home and taken a hatchet to the people he saw as a threat but he was too cowardly to do that he chose to come here using and excuse put in his weak minded brain my an islamic nutter to attatck an unarmed person in the street

cashman 23-05-2013 18:10

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 1060286)
It is true Cashy, DinG will probably agree, shots are aimed at the largest body mass, it might not kill but it will take them down.

Interrogations should be carried out in pig styes - interrogators could wear masks and protective clothing.

Oh i aint doubting it barrie, in fact i was just having a pop at the ridiculous Vine, not studio.;):D

DaveinGermany 23-05-2013 18:36

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 1060286)
shots are aimed at the largest body mass

As Barrie said, when aiming at a target you go for the best chance of a hit so the upper body, chest area, large target area & the vital organs to ensure a kill.

Head shots, while achievable are much harder especially on a moving target. A lot of modern weaponry is of a smaller calibre, NATO standard now being 5.56mm which requires more hits to do the same job as the old 7.62mm. Modern thinking is that if a combatant is incapacitated, that in theory takes out 2 more of his comrades by them assisting him.

That said, most trained snipers (Police included I believe) use the A1 L96 bolt action rifle, 7.62mm good penetration & stopping power, dependent on the situation a 5 or 10 round magazine can be fitted

accyman 23-05-2013 18:55

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well there would have been no harm in using a body shot to disable the men then stand over them and finish them off with a headshot

put them down like you would a rabbid animal

if you think im been too harsh and havnt seen the pictures and videos go take a look as they gloat to camera weiling hatchets and take note of how red with blood their hands are.

Apparantly they didnt manage to tatolly decapitate the soldier they just hacked away at his neck as best they could

tommiasfc 23-05-2013 19:29

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1060296)
well there would have been no harm in using a body shot to disable the men then stand over them and finish them off with a headshot

put them down like you would a rabbid animal

if you think im been too harsh and havnt seen the pictures and videos go take a look as they gloat to camera weiling hatchets and take note of how red with blood their hands are.

Apparantly they didnt manage to tatolly decapitate the soldier they just hacked away at his neck as best they could

Unfortunately is doesnt work like that you shoot to kill but if your shot disables your target the target is no longer a threat. Especially in open air if they were in a closed building and they sent the SAS in I think a wooden box would have been more applicable than a hospital bed.

accyman 23-05-2013 20:01

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Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 1060300)
Unfortunately is doesnt work like that you shoot to kill but if your shot disables your target the target is no longer a threat. Especially in open air if they were in a closed building and they sent the SAS in I think a wooden box would have been more applicable than a hospital bed.

i would argue that an islamic extreemist is a threat as long as it is breathing

unfortuantly as you say things dont work like that

20 mins for teh police to arrive on scene .Thats disgusting i bet they arrived on scene faster than 20 mins when those two lads tried burning down a mosque in retaliation to this attack

Barrie Yates 23-05-2013 23:00

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My lad saw most of the action as it happened - apparently one was taken down by a WPC as she was only part way out of the car.
Once he was incapacitated any further shot to deliberately kill him would result in a murder charge against the officer.

DtheP47 23-05-2013 23:11

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1060306)
20 mins for teh police to arrive on scene .Thats disgusting i bet they arrived on scene faster than 20 mins when those two lads tried burning down a mosque in retaliation to this attack

You are fanning the flames acctman.... back off and view the facts as they emerge.


Scotland Yard has hit back about how long it took officers to reach the scene of the terrorist murder in Woolwich.
Assistant Commissioner Simon Byrne said that officers reached Artillery Place within nine minutes of the first 999 call telling them a man was being attacked.
It took 10 minutes for firearms officers to reach the scene after they were alerted to the presence of a gun.

Woolwich attack: Met defends armed police response time - Crime - London24

GEaston 23-05-2013 23:57

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Shame the NHS picks up a bill for fixing them up.

Lot of talk here about letting them in (and in fairness Labour completely lost control of that, and for years we had an open border) but the issue is deeper here - these two were born here, same as us.

The problem is religion, which in all forms should be banned (for being nonesense in the first place and dangerous in the second).

Eric 24-05-2013 01:01

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Originally Posted by GEaston (Post 1060339)

The problem is religion, which in all forms should be banned (for being nonesense in the first place and dangerous in the second).

Think this is a tad extreme. It appears pretty clear to me that it is the followers of only one religion who are committing acts of terror. Don't see too many C. of E. folks strapping explosives on, blowing up subways, flying planes into buildings, punishing women for being raped ... and generally rasing shiite in the world. Islam is the problem. Trouble is, it's hard to get anyone in government to admit this. Maybe because folks are too politically correct on this question, or, maybe, because the nutbars are sitting on too much oil.

By the way, I fully agree with you on the "nonesense" bit.;)

accyman 24-05-2013 01:25

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Originally Posted by GEaston (Post 1060339)
Shame the NHS picks up a bill for fixing them up.

Lot of talk here about letting them in (and in fairness Labour completely lost control of that, and for years we had an open border) but the issue is deeper here - these two were born here, same as us.

The problem is religion, which in all forms should be banned (for being nonesense in the first place and dangerous in the second).

these two it turns out wer eborn here .Theres been 2 more arrests relating to this but i havnt read if they were also born here.One thing for sure is when it comes to islamic terrorists theres usually an outside influence that convinces and converts these monsters into islamic fundamentalists and that influence usually drops in from another country or a country that supports and hides terrorists like pakistan for example.

one reason why people thought these two were from another country is because in his justification for what he had done one says this is happening to my people back home

seems quite a lot of folk born here refer to other countries as their home it makes you wonder why they dont sod off there

accyman 24-05-2013 01:40

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Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1060336)
You are fanning the flames acctman.... back off and view the facts as they emerge.



im not fanning any flames its how i and a lot of other people see things when it comes to the treatment of other so called communities and despite what some may think it dosnt make you racist if speak your mind about how you see things especially when its blatantly obvious its one rule for us and one rule for them

comments like yours are the reason why people dont speak up about the obvious which is minorities get special treatment and given a lot more slack when it comes to enforcing the law.


ps:

its not us who stop them getting involved and been part of a multicultural society its them who set up their own communities with their own rules,banking system etc infact they work pretty hard to shun the culture of their adopted country

jaysay 24-05-2013 08:17

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Watched a bit of NEWSNIGHT last night and they had one of "these" Islamanuts in the studio, it showed a picture of him stood next to one of those who carried out the Murder, there were also two other peace loving Muslims in the studio too, they were all being questioned by Kirsty Wark, no matter how many times this nut job was asked to condemn the killing he couldn't, why were the police not waiting for this chap as he left the studio, he has no purpose in our country only to spread filth while no doubt being kept by the British Tax Payer, its time to say enough is enough take the kid gloves of tell the bleeding heart brigade where to go and send these rebel rousers back to whence they came, remembering that most of the likes as captain hook (now a guest of the yanks but we're still keeping his family) weren't born here. They add nothing to our society and are here for one reason, to spread vile Islamic propaganda, its time it stopped:mad:

GEaston 24-05-2013 08:23

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Eric - its only one sided if you take the short term view. The Christian church was founded on violence, and was raping and pillaging for much of the first 1300 years.

Now that the Christian church is the largest landowner in the world, owns of the largest art collection in the world and one of the richest entities, they can sit back in their self proclaimed tax free city (try that with your own house.....) and with no irony at all preach to us about helping the poor.

They do have their fair share of lunatics in America, like the 42nd president who said on national TV "god told me to do it" in relation to the war on Iraq.

Best not to sidetrack from this event though because the soldier deserved better. It was nice seeing the army at woolwich put out a tribute that was liked on Facebook by over half a million people in just 4 hours.

DtheP47 24-05-2013 08:25

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1060342)
its not us who stop them getting involved and been part of a multicultural society its them who set up their own communities with their own rules,banking system etc infact they work pretty hard to shun the culture of their adopted country

Probably the basis for another thread Mr accym' but with views like you and your ilk it's worth examining why ethnic groups gravitate into ghetto's, and are easy prey for radical influences.

Form a circle as in covered wagons etc...or laager as the early german settlers called it.

cashman 24-05-2013 09:00

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Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1060356)
Probably the basis for another thread Mr accym' but with views like you and your ilk it's worth examining why ethnic groups gravitate into ghetto's, and are easy prey for radical influences.

Form a circle as in covered wagons etc...or laager as the early german settlers called it.

Have to disagree D, I reckon accymans ilk are whats termed as the silent majority.

jaysay 24-05-2013 09:26

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1060362)
Have to disagree D, I reckon accymans ilk are whats termed as the silent majority.

Silent:eek::eek::eek: accyman :rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

GEaston 24-05-2013 09:44

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It's not silent, but it is a circle of wagons. Doesn't even let Brits in as I can attest.

Guinness 24-05-2013 09:45

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Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1060356)
Probably the basis for another thread Mr accym' but with views like you and your ilk it's worth examining why ethnic groups gravitate into ghetto's, and are easy prey for radical influences.

Form a circle as in covered wagons etc...or laager as the early german settlers called it.

Nah...ethnic groups always flock together, it's a language and culture thing.

You don't see the Buddhists or Taoists of Chinatown committing atrocities, nor do we see Jewish, Russian Orthodox or Sikhs advocating that we accept their culture and beliefs. They have their radicals as does the christian religion. They are kept in line by education, law, family values and outright condemnation by their own communities.

What we have with the fanatic and radical wing of the Muslims is that they are not condemned by their own, they are accepted and in many cases glorified. They are not ridiculed like the rednecks of the USA or the EDL of Britain.

I noticed Graham Jones on twitter last week 'bigging up' a meeting he had with the West Accrington Asian community and how they agreed to condemn an alleged Pakistani terrorist living in this country for crimes committed in Pakistan. I await with bated breath a similar condemnation by this community regarding this abhorrent murder committed in their country of residence. It would be a start!

DtheP47 24-05-2013 10:10

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Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1060371)
Nah...ethnic groups always flock together, it's a language and culture thing.


What we have with the fanatic and radical wing of the Muslims is that they are not condemned by their own, they are accepted and in many cases glorified. They are not ridiculed like the rednecks of the USA or the EDL of Britain.

I noticed Graham Jones on twitter last week 'bigging up' a meeting he had with the West Accrington Asian community and how they agreed to condemn an alleged Pakistani terrorist living in this country for crimes committed in Pakistan. I await with bated breath a similar condemnation by this community regarding this abhorrent murder committed in their country of residence. It would be a start!

I think you are being selective here Mr G but that's your opinion and right here in the United Kingdom, thanks.
The Muslim communities are condemming this heinous act. Just been listening to 5live and the Muslim Soldiers spokeman was on SkyNews this morning doing the same. A muslim caller on 5live yesterday volunteered he was attending the mosque for prayer wearing a Help 4 Heroes t-shirt do show his feelings to his community. That's a start sir. The change will come from within that community not from some doc martin wearing skinhead neandertal fire bombing a mosque or lobbing bottles at the police. Or indeed inflammatory posts on here.

I maybe on a fools errand seeking a well balanced view of all this on here ,considering the posts now and indeed the past.

I am intrigued and need to know more about how somebody seeming brought up middle class christian as was the first named perp can be converted and radicalised by what is ostensibly a peaceful religion (which religion can truly say that? I know). It may well be they home in on a persons psychopathic tendencies and feed that???

cashman 24-05-2013 10:46

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Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1060374)
.[/I] It may well be they home in on a persons psychopathic tendencies and feed that???

Now yeh probably nailed it in my view, I reckon they have "Sleepers" fer want of a better description, Who suss out the possibles, by befriending n see how it goes, Then either drop em or take a step forwards. I always think- Tell a knobhead what they want to hear n yeh gonna get a result.;)

Guinness 24-05-2013 10:59

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Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1060374)
I think you are being selective here Mr G but that's your opinion and right here in the United Kingdom, thanks.
The Muslim communities are condemming this heinous act. Just been listening to 5live and the Muslim Soldiers spokeman was on SkyNews this morning doing the same. A muslim caller on 5live yesterday volunteered he was attending the mosque for prayer wearing a Help 4 Heroes t-shirt do show his feelings to his community. That's a start sir. The change will come from within that community not from some doc martin wearing skinhead neandertal fire bombing a mosque or lobbing bottles at the police. Or indeed inflammatory posts on here.

I maybe on a fools errand seeking a well balanced view of all this on here ,considering the posts now and indeed the past.

I am intrigued and need to know more about how somebody seeming brought up middle class christian as was the first named perp can be converted and radicalised by what is ostensibly a peaceful religion (which religion can truly say that? I know). It may well be they home in on a persons psychopathic tendencies and feed that???

Such a pity, the makings of a decent debate destroyed by an arrogant and patronising post with overtones of accusations of racism

kestrelx 24-05-2013 11:42

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1060306)
i would argue that an islamic extreemist is a threat as long as it is breathing

unfortuantly as you say things dont work like that

20 mins for teh police to arrive on scene .Thats disgusting i bet they arrived on scene faster than 20 mins when those two lads tried burning down a mosque in retaliation to this attack

According to the news it said Local Police about 5 mins and armed Police 14 mins to get to the scene!

But I think the issue is "what goes around comes around" ...

accyman 24-05-2013 12:11

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Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1060356)
Probably the basis for another thread Mr accym' but with views like you and your ilk it's worth examining why ethnic groups gravitate into ghetto's, and are easy prey for radical influences.

Form a circle as in covered wagons etc...or laager as the early german settlers called it.

whos my ilk ?

edl ?

bnp ?

ukip?

nazi?

getting the feeling your dancing around caslling me a racist but lets be clear if you consider saying how it is as racist then i guess i am.

cashman 24-05-2013 12:13

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1060392)
whos my ilk ?

edl ?

bnp ?

ukip?

nazi?

getting the feeling your dancing around caslling me a racist but lets be clear if you consider saying how it is as racist then i guess i am.

Thats the label yeh get calling a spade a spade, but balls to em, they can call me whatever, i don't really give a toss.;)

accyman 24-05-2013 12:15

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1060385)
According to the news it said Local Police about 5 mins and armed Police 14 mins to get to the scene!

But I think the issue is "what goes around comes around" ...


well a plastic cop wouldnt stand much of a chance i guess

crime is getting more and more violent and im not just saying that on this act of terror alone its fact that these days the violence element has gotten worse.Its a sthough each generation has to be more nasty and ruthless than the previous one

yet governments constantly streamline our police service or to put it better remove coppers and bring in pen pushers and speed cameras

Margaret Pilkington 24-05-2013 12:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1060287)
we dont really need to know who sent them it would be much more simple to stop them coming in

one of these guys stated in a video that what he did was because what he did was happening in his villages back home


What does he mean 'his villages back home'.......if this is one of the men who committed this cold blooded atrocity......he was born at King's College Hospital....and raised here.

This killing was barbarism...and it was done to attract attention...which it duly did...so job done, for the terrorists.
Pictures of this event should have been banned.......I'm not saying that the incident should not be reported, but it should be done in a clinical fashion with little referral to those factions who carried out this murder...giving them publicity gives them notoriety...and also give other young radicalised muslim men the idea that it will be a good thing.

I wish that both of these men had been shot dead and buried in a grave containing pig entrails.
Although to be honest shooting is just too good for them...they should suffer the death of a thousand cuts.
My thoughts are with those who counted Lee Rigby as a friend, or a family member and of course his baby.

We should seriously make strong efforts to get rid of those who are plotting against this country.......all those who are on MI5's watched list should be put on a plane and shipped to Saudi..unless of course they can prove their innocence.
Saudi would welcome them, and they would be allowed to live under the Sharia law that they love so much.

accyman 24-05-2013 12:33

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what should have been released was pictures only in which showed him covered in an innocent young mans blood

what should not have been broadcast was his rants and attempts to justify what he did

pictures speak a thousand words we didnt need to hear his bile

as usuall teh papers wont to out do each other so they begged for footage from mobile phones openly on tehir websites and broadcast them

anyone who made money selling videos of these scum shoudl be ashamed of themselves there was a murdered soldier on teh floor and they have earned money from his death

Margaret Pilkington 24-05-2013 12:34

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But....I'm not holding my breath...we have no politicians in this fair isle, with the gonads to do anything other than blather on.....Words mean nothing...politicians words even less.

Margaret Pilkington 24-05-2013 12:36

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1060401)
what should have been released was pictures only in which showed him covered in an innocent young mans blood

what should not have been broadcast was his rants and attempts to justify what he did

pictures speak a thousand words we didnt need to hear his bile

as usuall teh papers wont to out do each other so they begged for footage from mobile phones openly on tehir websites and broadcast them

anyone who made money selling videos of these scum shoudl be ashamed of themselves there was a murdered soldier on teh floor and they have earned money from his death

No....there should have been no pictures at all.....they can be used to glorify his deeds ...by those who would follow in his footsteps.

accyman 24-05-2013 12:38

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so far government past and presents way of dealing with terrorism has been to invade a country (iraq) that had nothing to do with 9/11 attacks or terrorism and to release many soundbytes declaring terrorism wont be tolerated

any other measures they think of only seem to effect decent people and solve nothing .Identity cards for example would have only kept tabs on legitimate people teh terrorists wouldnt have them period or would find a way around them

cashman 24-05-2013 13:00

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1060403)
No....there should have been no pictures at all.....they can be used to glorify his deeds ...by those who would follow in his footsteps.

Yeh gotta be very careful i think wi that? no pics would probably mean the do-gooding knobheads, of which there are many, would proclaim innocence.;)

Less 24-05-2013 13:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1060392)
whos my ilk ?

edl ?

bnp ?

ukip?

nazi?

getting the feeling your dancing around caslling me a racist but lets be clear if you consider saying how it is as racist then i guess i am.

I think I might be you're ilk.

Anyone that is prepared to rock someone else's neat and tidy boat with honest questions that would preferably swept under the carpet.
Must be ilk, after all, it makes those smug with their own lifestyle have to think.

One question not so far asked is:-

I wonder how the majority of legal immigrants/Muslims must feel about these nutters?

It must be oh no, here we go again, all we want is to get on with our lives, not harming anyone and yet again we get pushed into a box with the extreme minority!

Margaret Pilkington 24-05-2013 14:15

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Wouldn't it be good if they would tell us...these ordinary 'want to get on with their lives muslims'.
Wouldn't it be good if they declared their britishness...or at least their alignment with the values of the british...the tolerance that allows them to promote their religion and culture (something that would not be allowed us if we were to move to say - Saudi).

I think I must be of the ilk too.

Margaret Pilkington 24-05-2013 14:18

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1060406)
Yeh gotta be very careful i think wi that? no pics would probably mean the do-gooding knobheads, of which there are many, would proclaim innocence.;)

Cashy...it has to be better than giving free publicity/notoriety to the perpetrators.......and those do-gooders...and they know who they are, will not need to proclaim anything...they(and we) know what they have done to the fabric of society in the name of political advantage and social engineering.

accyman 24-05-2013 14:25

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its ok boris johnson visited teh scene today but all he seemed to have to say that no government policey was to blame

Margaret Pilkington 24-05-2013 14:28

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Yes..well, of course he would say that wouldn't he.

Less 24-05-2013 14:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1060411)
Wouldn't it be good if they would tell us...these ordinary 'want to get on with their lives muslims'.
Wouldn't it be good if they declared their britishness...or at least their alignment with the values of the british...the tolerance that allows them to promote their religion and culture (something that would not be allowed us if we were to move to say - Saudi).

I think I must be of the ilk too.

I wish they would, can't help thinking how many of them are there?

How many that have to keep quiet just to fit in within their own society? (shouldn't be their own should be OUR, society).


Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1060412)
Cashy...it has to be better than giving free publicity/notoriety to the perpetrators.......and those do-gooders...and they know who they are, will not need to proclaim anything...they(and we) know what they have done to the fabric of society in the name of political advantage and social engineering.

Yes, indeed, the sooner we all, from all aspects of what is now Britain condemn outside influences, the sooner we can all enjoy the peace of our Country.

Margaret Pilkington 24-05-2013 14:34

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This situation is not just the failing of this government(for its moral turpitude, as well as inaction) the blame for much of this situation can be placed with those who feel that we cannot condemn something done by people of another culture or race, for fear of alienating them. That we cannot tell the truth about something that is happening in our midst....just in case we offend.
We pussy foot around and tinker at the edges of the problems, and in doing so, leave space for those who wish to do evil things, to do them and laugh at our system of justice.
There is no justice for Lee Rigby....and all the others who have died at the hands of extremists....it isn't the fault of religion...it is the fault of those who interpret the religion to evil ends.
And of course, those who make excuses for these people...by doing nothing to stop them.

cashman 24-05-2013 14:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1060419)
This situation is not just the failing of this government(for its moral turpitude, as well as inaction) the blame for much of this situation can be placed with those who feel that we cannot condemn something done by people of another culture or race, for fear of alienating them. That we cannot tell the truth about something that is happening in our midst....just in case we offend.
We pussy foot around and tinker at the edges of the problems, and in doing so, leave space for those who wish to do evil things, to do them and laugh at our system of justice.
There is no justice for Lee Rigby....and all the others who have died at the hands of extremists....it isn't the fault of religion...it is the fault of those who interpret the religion to evil ends.
And of course, those who make excuses for these people...by doing nothing to stop them.

Agree wi every word of that, it also crosses my mind does soft touch Britain encourage em to come here in the first instance? I suspect thats the case.:(

Margaret Pilkington 24-05-2013 15:20

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Yes, of course it does Cashy....they hate our way of life, but don't mind living off our generous benefits.
Recently Abu Qatada was complaining that his house(provided for him by the good old british tax payer) isn't big enough to house his belongings........so, he has too much stuff.
Boot him and his brood out(and all the others like him - they are parasites -and that is being polite).......he can have a family life if he takes all of his dependents to Jordan where he belongs.

jaysay 24-05-2013 17:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1060398)
What does he mean 'his villages back home'.......if this is one of the men who committed this cold blooded atrocity......he was born at King's College Hospital....and raised here.

This killing was barbarism...and it was done to attract attention...which it duly did...so job done, for the terrorists.
Pictures of this event should have been banned.......I'm not saying that the incident should not be reported, but it should be done in a clinical fashion with little referral to those factions who carried out this murder...giving them publicity gives them notoriety...and also give other young radicalised muslim men the idea that it will be a good thing.

I wish that both of these men had been shot dead and buried in a grave containing pig entrails.
Although to be honest shooting is just too good for them...they should suffer the death of a thousand cuts.
My thoughts are with those who counted Lee Rigby as a friend, or a family member and of course his baby.

We should seriously make strong efforts to get rid of those who are plotting against this country.......all those who are on MI5's watched list should be put on a plane and shipped to Saudi..unless of course they can prove their innocence.
Saudi would welcome them, and they would be allowed to live under the Sharia law that they love so much.

I think your right Margaret, any photos and film should have been held back and the names of the two scumbags too, use national security as a reason, that way these two won't have the pleasure of sitting in a prison sell thinking they became notorious for this event, instead they'd be sat there cursing because nobody knew who had committed the offence

accyman 24-05-2013 19:06

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i disagree i think we should get to know about these attacks so then when people like tony blair appear on tv with a quaran held in teh air saying islam is about peace we know people like him are full of crap.

no religion is about peace they all have vile history and usually their stoopid books of faith have pretty severe punishments for not doing as the book says

i think the only faith out there that hasnt harmed anyone is the jedi faith infact they have saved teh galaxy on more than one occasion .Sayingthat they did have a skirmish with doctor who followers but there aint enough of them to make a religeon:D

DtheP47 24-05-2013 19:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1060379)
Now yeh probably nailed it in my view, I reckon they have "Sleepers" fer want of a better description, Who suss out the possibles, by befriending n see how it goes, Then either drop em or take a step forwards. I always think- Tell a knobhead what they want to hear n yeh gonna get a result.;)

Had a chuckle at your signature too Ol ;)
Think Abdullah al Asri who hid a bomb up his anus only to blow just himself up whil his Saudi minister target looked on in amazement.
Think Richard Reid converted to Muslim in London deperately trying to light a fuse on his shoe bomb.
Think Umar Abdullmatallab who set his underpants on fire on a flight to Detoit trying to detonate a bomb.
There's a book by Hannah Arendht called The Banality of Evil the theme being the strange relationship between idiocy and evil..

accyman 24-05-2013 19:11

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one of them muslims taht tried blowing up that airport in scotland ended up with a mobile phone fused into his body teh heat was so intense.

at least he now comes with unlimited texts and internet

i think the last text he sent was

OMG bom dun not go off proppa.In da burn unit lol xoxo

DtheP47 24-05-2013 19:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1060435)
I think your right Margaret, any photos and film should have been held back and the names of the two scumbags too, use national security as a reason, that way these two won't have the pleasure of sitting in a prison sell thinking they became notorious for this event, instead they'd be sat there cursing because nobody knew who had committed the offence

I see it differently Jay Anybody seeing the ramblings of this deranged psycho was never going to find any justification or deranged logic. None of it made sense.
There's no danger the tape will be used as a recruiting tool in the madrassars. Instead it has hardened the outrage of thousand of Muslims.
Social media, thank God (any God) has made these voices more audible and unlike those of these two madmen, makes sense.

Margaret Pilkington 24-05-2013 19:16

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Because a religion has a'vile' past does not make it irrelevant.
Some people gain much comfort from having a religious faith.....and many of them will live by the moderate tenets of that faith......only extremists will interpret the faith they follow to use barbaric and murderous ways.
And we do not need to know anything about the perpetrators of this act...except what they did and that they have been caught....and it would be good to think that they would get some kind of justice(but with ECHR that is a big ask).

And I am sure that most of us on here have the brains to realise that Tony Blair only does things that will put money into his fat bank account(or that of his horse faced wife).......we KNOW he is full of fisons.

Terrorism survives on the oxygen of publicity......why do you think these two men waited around for the police to come and get them? And why do you think they encouraged people with mobile phones to record the event?
It was so that they could achieve the publicity for their evil act......to terrorise, to stop people from going about their daily doings.
That this could happen in a street in London is a disgrace.

accyman 24-05-2013 19:17

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if you need a book to tell you to be nice to others and live as decent a life as possible theres something really wrong with the world
.
oh bollox to this i aint getting into teh god dosnt exist argument its too early and despite been discussed many times no proof has yet been provided that he does where as theres plenty of proof he dosnt

cashman 24-05-2013 19:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1060450)
Had a chuckle at your signature too Ol ;)
Think Abdullah al Asri who hid a bomb up his anus only to blow just himself up whil his Saudi minister target looked on in amazement.
Think Richard Reid converted to Muslim in London deperately trying to light a fuse on his shoe bomb.
Think Umar Abdullmatallab who set his underpants on fire on a flight to Detoit trying to detonate a bomb.
There's a book by Hannah Arendht called The Banality of Evil the theme being the strange relationship between idiocy and evil..

Unless i'm reading it wrong were on the same wavelength here D?

DtheP47 24-05-2013 19:25

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:)
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1060457)
Unless i'm reading it wrong were on the same wavelength here D?

Roger that MrC

Margaret Pilkington 24-05-2013 19:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1060456)
if you need a book to tell you to be nice to others and live as desent a life as possible theres something really wrong with teh world

I do not need any book to tell me what is right and what is wrong....nor do I need anyone to tell me that killing is just plain wrong......or that stealing is unacceptable, but all our laws are based in religion.
Somehow being anti-religion or anti-Christian has become fashionable....and that cannot be good for society as a whole......because if you take faith out of the equation something else will fill that void....and from where I'm standing, that something else looks particularly unsavoury.
Just for the record, I am not being evangelical, or preaching any faith or doctrine.....I am just stating my point of view(other points of view are available and are just as valid).
I do not subscribe to any organised faith or political party....I follow the beat of my own drum.

Margaret Pilkington 24-05-2013 19:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1060456)
oh bollox to this i aint getting into teh god dosnt exist argument its too early and despite been discussed many times no proof has yet been provided that he does where as theres plenty of proof he dosnt

Has it been proved that He doesn't exist?
Can you post me a link to the evidence?

gpick24 24-05-2013 19:52

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Can it be proven something doesn`t exist? It`s about belief, faith & rational thought. Has it been proven Santa doesn`t exist, or Superman. We just know as adults they don`t. In my opinion Jim Jefferies hits religion right on the head. P.S Swear Warning on video!!
God is for idiots - Jim Jefferies - YouTube

Margaret Pilkington 24-05-2013 21:01

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I was being 'fly' when I posed those questions. Of course it is about faith,belief in something that you cannot see.
We cannot see the waves that make up a TV picture, but because of the picture we know they exist.
Science does not have the answer to everything....and there are scientists who have belief and faith........but you have to make your own mind up about these things.

Guinness 24-05-2013 21:13

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Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1060450)
Had a chuckle at your signature too Ol ;)

And yet another poorly disguised attack on the posters on this thread being less intelligent then you

Quote:

Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1060450)
Think Abdullah al Asri who hid a bomb up his anus only to blow just himself up whil his Saudi minister target looked on in amazement.
Think Richard Reid converted to Muslim in London deperately trying to light a fuse on his shoe bomb.
Think Umar Abdullmatallab who set his underpants on fire on a flight to Detoit trying to detonate a bomb.

You post the incompetent, so can I.. charge of the light brigade, Gallipoli and any other lions led by donkeys contretemps , I'll just post the truly dangerous..

Think Anjum Chaudry
Think Omar Bakri.....

You can denigrate the posters in this thread to your hearts content, you can suck up to your real life friends, you can click like on posts to abrogate your earlier faux pas, doesn't change the fact that you think you are somehow better than anyone who thinks that there is an inherent inequality in how certain sections of the community are treated with kid gloves through fear of being accused as a racist.

What price equality?

cashman 24-05-2013 21:19

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Yer wrong guinness that was not n attack on me, of that i am certain, besides even if it was,which it wasn't, i am well capable of attack meself.;):D

gpick24 24-05-2013 21:47

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1060474)
I was being 'fly' when I posed those questions. Of course it is about faith,belief in something that you cannot see.
We cannot see the waves that make up a TV picture, but because of the picture we know they exist.
Science does not have the answer to everything....and there are scientists who have belief and faith........but you have to make your own mind up about these things.

You missed out the rational thought in there Margaret, but that`s OK, we can all have our our own opinions and beliefs, so long as no one tries to tell me what I should believe, I won`t try to tell them. The world would be a boring place if we all thought the same. I do think we should all live and let live but that is not what is happening right now.

Restless 24-05-2013 22:52

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Some disgusting posts in this thread. Goes to show this kind of event( A sad tale of brainwashing and murder ) brings out the absolute worst in people

Quote:

Originally Posted by GEaston (Post 1060339)
The problem is religion, which in all forms should be banned (for being nonesense in the first place and dangerous in the second).

Agreed.

gpick24 24-05-2013 23:01

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1060488)
Some disgusting posts in this thread. Goes to show this kind of event( A sad tale of brainwashing and murder ) brings out the absolute worst in people



Agreed.

Looking back, my last couple of posts were irrelevent to the topic of the thread and I wish I hadn`t posted them now. Thing first, type later.

accyman 24-05-2013 23:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1060463)
Has it been proved that He doesn't exist?
Can you post me a link to the evidence?


dont need a link

babies with brain cancer

you need more ?

accyman 24-05-2013 23:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gpick24 (Post 1060489)
Looking back, my last couple of posts were irrelevent to the topic of the thread and I wish I hadn`t posted them now. Thing first, type later.


dont worry its not illigal and we still live in a democracey i think so knock yor socks off

Margaret Pilkington 25-05-2013 06:34

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1060491)
dont need a link

babies with brain cancer

you need more ?

That isn't evidence Accyman.

Margaret Pilkington 25-05-2013 06:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gpick24 (Post 1060481)
You missed out the rational thought in there Margaret, but that`s OK, we can all have our our own opinions and beliefs, so long as no one tries to tell me what I should believe, I won`t try to tell them. The world would be a boring place if we all thought the same. I do think we should all live and let live but that is not what is happening right now.

I am in agreement with you.

jaysay 25-05-2013 07:45

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Earlier in this thread I said that the media had made a meal of this story or words to that effect, seems I'm not the only one who felt this way. Was watching BBC news report this morning, where the public contact the BBC about their news content in bulletins, I wasn't the only one to think that if this story had been kept to a minimum without showing videos etc. these murdering scumbags would have failed, terrorism is like a fire, cut of the oxygen and it soon dies, now this story will be played over for months including the trial (pity it wasn't the SAS who attended the scene) not only making every news program but dragging up the whole sorry mess for the soldiers family, but at least the police are learning, a guy, who was a friend of one of the murderers, was arrest on terrorism charges after appearing on Newsnight last night.

kestrelx 25-05-2013 12:04

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1060420)
Agree wi every word of that, it also crosses my mind does soft touch Britain encourage em to come here in the first instance? I suspect thats the case.:(

These charcters were born in the UK - so are you saying we should never have let any people of Nigerian decent into this country at all? Perhaps these guys might have been driven to feel angry about this country because of it's racist undercurrent, which has been proven by the way people like Stephen Laurence was murdered.:confused:


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