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OMG. Have you seen the footage on the news? What a tragedy. One of the lunatics was broadcast covered in blood wielding a machete and knives and ranting about the government. When is this country going to wake up and start being proactive instead of inactive. This situation was a tragedy waiting to happen and, unless something is done, will happen again.
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Don't know what to say, it is so shocking and disgusting, hanging is to good for them bar stewards.
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Both suspects were shot so that's some result. Pity the family of the poor bloke that was murdered.
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so confidant was one of teh attackers he walked around having his picture taken holding a large knife and his hands compltely red with blood
i wont post teh picture because kids read this too but if ya google it im sure the same pictures will come up soldiers not safe in their own country because government fails to address the issue for fear of been accused of been racist tough crap if you believe your god wants you to kill inocent people then you have no place in this country so please sod off back to your cappy country and stop enjoying our western ways |
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of course cameron wont buckle hes notthe one likely to get hacked to death and has quite a strong force protecting him 24/7 how about taking some flipping action for once instead of releasing soundbytes |
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Law and Order in this country doesn't even stretch to stopping alkies roaming round Accrington town centre with their cans. All political hot air and no action as usual
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Feels like having your hands tied behind your back. This is only going to end in a backlash when something could be done to prevent this from happening.
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Haven`t seen news yet, but told about it. If they survived being shot, they should take them down the beach, bury them till they have just there head showing and stone the fookers until they are almost dead, give them the treatment they need to get them back to OK health then do it all over again.
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News from Twitter -
EDL are rallying members to Woolwich with a view to causing a riot. |
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not that i exepect this or any government we have of ever doing anything constructive about anything conservitives will talk about doing somthing and deliver nothing and labour would let even more in to teh country |
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I sometimes wonder whether such murderous incidents are set up just to provoke.
If riots happen, it will lead to further limitations on freedom. |
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I'm amazed its taken this long fer a terrible incident like this to happen in the U.K. Every terrorist in the world,must know that our country is the softest touch, will also be amazed if the perps were not on benefits of some description.Its about ruddy time Government really got to grips wi whats going on, Thought doubt if any ever will.:rolleyes:
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lets face it the easiest part of an islamic nutters job when wanting to commit a terrorist act is getting into the country
it should be the bloody hardest part |
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It saddens me to say this, but probably the root cause is New Labour @ Blairs policy of mass immigration.:( What yeh gotta say about that cmon?
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basically anything that has happened to this country and our troops in the past 15 years or so is down to blair been nothing more than americas little bitch |
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speaking of blair whats the odds on blairs wife defending these scumbags
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As the FBI did not only with Al Capone but also with the 9/11 perps..... "follow the money" |
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https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...76625648_n.pngmakes you wonder don't it
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Never a truer word mate.:(
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It seems these Terrorists, I just call them murderers, wanted to be filmed, judging by last nights ITV news, and sky this morning.
I have not looked at online videos yet. By broadcasting this, these b..........have won. they want publicity, we should deny it. Sad that people are happy to film on their mobiles and them sell the footage to the press. |
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Understand what yer saying B.G. n its a valid observation, But surely the British Public should be told whats actually going on on our streets? The only way we can really protest about lack of action, isthe Ballot Box?:confused: People who film stuff like this on mobiles then sell to the press, are sheer greedy scumbags in my view n should be treated wi contempt by all who know em.:(
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Do you think they would let Beverly Allit out of Broadmoor for a spot of day release work at the hospitals where these scumbags are being treated?
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Fair point Cashy, we need to know what's happening. Itv showed the scumbag giving his reasons for the attack. We should not give these scumbags a platform to issue their rants.
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Some things really are just too horrific to be contemplated. Much heart goes out to the poor man who was the victim of such an inhumane attack and also to his family who must be going through the pains of hell right now. There is no doubt about the guilt of these murderers. They deserve no clemency. They believe they are at war with Britain and surely deserve a military terror trial or does this not exist? If it doesn't it should. :mad:
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i have no idea why the police didnt shoot to kill because now we have the expense of a trial and teh expense of keeping them fed in prison.
a head shot would have saved a lot of money and delivered justice for the victim.Now the victims familes have to live knowing the muderer will probbably get let out in a few years |
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Police are trained to aim for centre body mass, i.e. the middle of the thorax. Headshots aren't attempted because there's too much risk of missing or the shot passing through. ("Be sure of your target and what's beyond it".) Wounding is not an option simply because one of the original basic rules of firearm usage is that you never discharge your weapon unless you absolutely want your target destroyed. |
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Well if they say that on Jeremy Vine, it must be right.:D:D
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Interrogations should be carried out in pig styes - interrogators could wear masks and protective clothing. |
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we dont really need to know who sent them it would be much more simple to stop them coming in
one of these guys stated in a video that what he did was because what he did was happening in his villages back home not by our bloody soldiers it isnt its his own brothers ,uncles etc that are driving around village to village raping and murdering their own people what he shoudl have done was stay at home and taken a hatchet to the people he saw as a threat but he was too cowardly to do that he chose to come here using and excuse put in his weak minded brain my an islamic nutter to attatck an unarmed person in the street |
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Head shots, while achievable are much harder especially on a moving target. A lot of modern weaponry is of a smaller calibre, NATO standard now being 5.56mm which requires more hits to do the same job as the old 7.62mm. Modern thinking is that if a combatant is incapacitated, that in theory takes out 2 more of his comrades by them assisting him. That said, most trained snipers (Police included I believe) use the A1 L96 bolt action rifle, 7.62mm good penetration & stopping power, dependent on the situation a 5 or 10 round magazine can be fitted |
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well there would have been no harm in using a body shot to disable the men then stand over them and finish them off with a headshot
put them down like you would a rabbid animal if you think im been too harsh and havnt seen the pictures and videos go take a look as they gloat to camera weiling hatchets and take note of how red with blood their hands are. Apparantly they didnt manage to tatolly decapitate the soldier they just hacked away at his neck as best they could |
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unfortuantly as you say things dont work like that 20 mins for teh police to arrive on scene .Thats disgusting i bet they arrived on scene faster than 20 mins when those two lads tried burning down a mosque in retaliation to this attack |
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My lad saw most of the action as it happened - apparently one was taken down by a WPC as she was only part way out of the car.
Once he was incapacitated any further shot to deliberately kill him would result in a murder charge against the officer. |
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Scotland Yard has hit back about how long it took officers to reach the scene of the terrorist murder in Woolwich. Assistant Commissioner Simon Byrne said that officers reached Artillery Place within nine minutes of the first 999 call telling them a man was being attacked. It took 10 minutes for firearms officers to reach the scene after they were alerted to the presence of a gun. Woolwich attack: Met defends armed police response time - Crime - London24 |
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Shame the NHS picks up a bill for fixing them up.
Lot of talk here about letting them in (and in fairness Labour completely lost control of that, and for years we had an open border) but the issue is deeper here - these two were born here, same as us. The problem is religion, which in all forms should be banned (for being nonesense in the first place and dangerous in the second). |
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By the way, I fully agree with you on the "nonesense" bit.;) |
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one reason why people thought these two were from another country is because in his justification for what he had done one says this is happening to my people back home seems quite a lot of folk born here refer to other countries as their home it makes you wonder why they dont sod off there |
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im not fanning any flames its how i and a lot of other people see things when it comes to the treatment of other so called communities and despite what some may think it dosnt make you racist if speak your mind about how you see things especially when its blatantly obvious its one rule for us and one rule for them comments like yours are the reason why people dont speak up about the obvious which is minorities get special treatment and given a lot more slack when it comes to enforcing the law. ps: its not us who stop them getting involved and been part of a multicultural society its them who set up their own communities with their own rules,banking system etc infact they work pretty hard to shun the culture of their adopted country |
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Watched a bit of NEWSNIGHT last night and they had one of "these" Islamanuts in the studio, it showed a picture of him stood next to one of those who carried out the Murder, there were also two other peace loving Muslims in the studio too, they were all being questioned by Kirsty Wark, no matter how many times this nut job was asked to condemn the killing he couldn't, why were the police not waiting for this chap as he left the studio, he has no purpose in our country only to spread filth while no doubt being kept by the British Tax Payer, its time to say enough is enough take the kid gloves of tell the bleeding heart brigade where to go and send these rebel rousers back to whence they came, remembering that most of the likes as captain hook (now a guest of the yanks but we're still keeping his family) weren't born here. They add nothing to our society and are here for one reason, to spread vile Islamic propaganda, its time it stopped:mad:
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Eric - its only one sided if you take the short term view. The Christian church was founded on violence, and was raping and pillaging for much of the first 1300 years.
Now that the Christian church is the largest landowner in the world, owns of the largest art collection in the world and one of the richest entities, they can sit back in their self proclaimed tax free city (try that with your own house.....) and with no irony at all preach to us about helping the poor. They do have their fair share of lunatics in America, like the 42nd president who said on national TV "god told me to do it" in relation to the war on Iraq. Best not to sidetrack from this event though because the soldier deserved better. It was nice seeing the army at woolwich put out a tribute that was liked on Facebook by over half a million people in just 4 hours. |
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Form a circle as in covered wagons etc...or laager as the early german settlers called it. |
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It's not silent, but it is a circle of wagons. Doesn't even let Brits in as I can attest.
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You don't see the Buddhists or Taoists of Chinatown committing atrocities, nor do we see Jewish, Russian Orthodox or Sikhs advocating that we accept their culture and beliefs. They have their radicals as does the christian religion. They are kept in line by education, law, family values and outright condemnation by their own communities. What we have with the fanatic and radical wing of the Muslims is that they are not condemned by their own, they are accepted and in many cases glorified. They are not ridiculed like the rednecks of the USA or the EDL of Britain. I noticed Graham Jones on twitter last week 'bigging up' a meeting he had with the West Accrington Asian community and how they agreed to condemn an alleged Pakistani terrorist living in this country for crimes committed in Pakistan. I await with bated breath a similar condemnation by this community regarding this abhorrent murder committed in their country of residence. It would be a start! |
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The Muslim communities are condemming this heinous act. Just been listening to 5live and the Muslim Soldiers spokeman was on SkyNews this morning doing the same. A muslim caller on 5live yesterday volunteered he was attending the mosque for prayer wearing a Help 4 Heroes t-shirt do show his feelings to his community. That's a start sir. The change will come from within that community not from some doc martin wearing skinhead neandertal fire bombing a mosque or lobbing bottles at the police. Or indeed inflammatory posts on here. I maybe on a fools errand seeking a well balanced view of all this on here ,considering the posts now and indeed the past. I am intrigued and need to know more about how somebody seeming brought up middle class christian as was the first named perp can be converted and radicalised by what is ostensibly a peaceful religion (which religion can truly say that? I know). It may well be they home in on a persons psychopathic tendencies and feed that??? |
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But I think the issue is "what goes around comes around" ... |
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edl ? bnp ? ukip? nazi? getting the feeling your dancing around caslling me a racist but lets be clear if you consider saying how it is as racist then i guess i am. |
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well a plastic cop wouldnt stand much of a chance i guess crime is getting more and more violent and im not just saying that on this act of terror alone its fact that these days the violence element has gotten worse.Its a sthough each generation has to be more nasty and ruthless than the previous one yet governments constantly streamline our police service or to put it better remove coppers and bring in pen pushers and speed cameras |
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What does he mean 'his villages back home'.......if this is one of the men who committed this cold blooded atrocity......he was born at King's College Hospital....and raised here. This killing was barbarism...and it was done to attract attention...which it duly did...so job done, for the terrorists. Pictures of this event should have been banned.......I'm not saying that the incident should not be reported, but it should be done in a clinical fashion with little referral to those factions who carried out this murder...giving them publicity gives them notoriety...and also give other young radicalised muslim men the idea that it will be a good thing. I wish that both of these men had been shot dead and buried in a grave containing pig entrails. Although to be honest shooting is just too good for them...they should suffer the death of a thousand cuts. My thoughts are with those who counted Lee Rigby as a friend, or a family member and of course his baby. We should seriously make strong efforts to get rid of those who are plotting against this country.......all those who are on MI5's watched list should be put on a plane and shipped to Saudi..unless of course they can prove their innocence. Saudi would welcome them, and they would be allowed to live under the Sharia law that they love so much. |
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what should have been released was pictures only in which showed him covered in an innocent young mans blood
what should not have been broadcast was his rants and attempts to justify what he did pictures speak a thousand words we didnt need to hear his bile as usuall teh papers wont to out do each other so they begged for footage from mobile phones openly on tehir websites and broadcast them anyone who made money selling videos of these scum shoudl be ashamed of themselves there was a murdered soldier on teh floor and they have earned money from his death |
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But....I'm not holding my breath...we have no politicians in this fair isle, with the gonads to do anything other than blather on.....Words mean nothing...politicians words even less.
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so far government past and presents way of dealing with terrorism has been to invade a country (iraq) that had nothing to do with 9/11 attacks or terrorism and to release many soundbytes declaring terrorism wont be tolerated
any other measures they think of only seem to effect decent people and solve nothing .Identity cards for example would have only kept tabs on legitimate people teh terrorists wouldnt have them period or would find a way around them |
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Anyone that is prepared to rock someone else's neat and tidy boat with honest questions that would preferably swept under the carpet. Must be ilk, after all, it makes those smug with their own lifestyle have to think. One question not so far asked is:- I wonder how the majority of legal immigrants/Muslims must feel about these nutters? It must be oh no, here we go again, all we want is to get on with our lives, not harming anyone and yet again we get pushed into a box with the extreme minority! |
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Wouldn't it be good if they would tell us...these ordinary 'want to get on with their lives muslims'.
Wouldn't it be good if they declared their britishness...or at least their alignment with the values of the british...the tolerance that allows them to promote their religion and culture (something that would not be allowed us if we were to move to say - Saudi). I think I must be of the ilk too. |
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its ok boris johnson visited teh scene today but all he seemed to have to say that no government policey was to blame
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Yes..well, of course he would say that wouldn't he.
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This situation is not just the failing of this government(for its moral turpitude, as well as inaction) the blame for much of this situation can be placed with those who feel that we cannot condemn something done by people of another culture or race, for fear of alienating them. That we cannot tell the truth about something that is happening in our midst....just in case we offend.
We pussy foot around and tinker at the edges of the problems, and in doing so, leave space for those who wish to do evil things, to do them and laugh at our system of justice. There is no justice for Lee Rigby....and all the others who have died at the hands of extremists....it isn't the fault of religion...it is the fault of those who interpret the religion to evil ends. And of course, those who make excuses for these people...by doing nothing to stop them. |
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Yes, of course it does Cashy....they hate our way of life, but don't mind living off our generous benefits.
Recently Abu Qatada was complaining that his house(provided for him by the good old british tax payer) isn't big enough to house his belongings........so, he has too much stuff. Boot him and his brood out(and all the others like him - they are parasites -and that is being polite).......he can have a family life if he takes all of his dependents to Jordan where he belongs. |
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i disagree i think we should get to know about these attacks so then when people like tony blair appear on tv with a quaran held in teh air saying islam is about peace we know people like him are full of crap.
no religion is about peace they all have vile history and usually their stoopid books of faith have pretty severe punishments for not doing as the book says i think the only faith out there that hasnt harmed anyone is the jedi faith infact they have saved teh galaxy on more than one occasion .Sayingthat they did have a skirmish with doctor who followers but there aint enough of them to make a religeon:D |
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Think Abdullah al Asri who hid a bomb up his anus only to blow just himself up whil his Saudi minister target looked on in amazement. Think Richard Reid converted to Muslim in London deperately trying to light a fuse on his shoe bomb. Think Umar Abdullmatallab who set his underpants on fire on a flight to Detoit trying to detonate a bomb. There's a book by Hannah Arendht called The Banality of Evil the theme being the strange relationship between idiocy and evil.. |
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one of them muslims taht tried blowing up that airport in scotland ended up with a mobile phone fused into his body teh heat was so intense.
at least he now comes with unlimited texts and internet i think the last text he sent was OMG bom dun not go off proppa.In da burn unit lol xoxo |
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There's no danger the tape will be used as a recruiting tool in the madrassars. Instead it has hardened the outrage of thousand of Muslims. Social media, thank God (any God) has made these voices more audible and unlike those of these two madmen, makes sense. |
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Because a religion has a'vile' past does not make it irrelevant.
Some people gain much comfort from having a religious faith.....and many of them will live by the moderate tenets of that faith......only extremists will interpret the faith they follow to use barbaric and murderous ways. And we do not need to know anything about the perpetrators of this act...except what they did and that they have been caught....and it would be good to think that they would get some kind of justice(but with ECHR that is a big ask). And I am sure that most of us on here have the brains to realise that Tony Blair only does things that will put money into his fat bank account(or that of his horse faced wife).......we KNOW he is full of fisons. Terrorism survives on the oxygen of publicity......why do you think these two men waited around for the police to come and get them? And why do you think they encouraged people with mobile phones to record the event? It was so that they could achieve the publicity for their evil act......to terrorise, to stop people from going about their daily doings. That this could happen in a street in London is a disgrace. |
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if you need a book to tell you to be nice to others and live as decent a life as possible theres something really wrong with the world
. oh bollox to this i aint getting into teh god dosnt exist argument its too early and despite been discussed many times no proof has yet been provided that he does where as theres plenty of proof he dosnt |
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Somehow being anti-religion or anti-Christian has become fashionable....and that cannot be good for society as a whole......because if you take faith out of the equation something else will fill that void....and from where I'm standing, that something else looks particularly unsavoury. Just for the record, I am not being evangelical, or preaching any faith or doctrine.....I am just stating my point of view(other points of view are available and are just as valid). I do not subscribe to any organised faith or political party....I follow the beat of my own drum. |
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Can you post me a link to the evidence? |
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Can it be proven something doesn`t exist? It`s about belief, faith & rational thought. Has it been proven Santa doesn`t exist, or Superman. We just know as adults they don`t. In my opinion Jim Jefferies hits religion right on the head. P.S Swear Warning on video!!
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I was being 'fly' when I posed those questions. Of course it is about faith,belief in something that you cannot see.
We cannot see the waves that make up a TV picture, but because of the picture we know they exist. Science does not have the answer to everything....and there are scientists who have belief and faith........but you have to make your own mind up about these things. |
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Think Anjum Chaudry Think Omar Bakri..... You can denigrate the posters in this thread to your hearts content, you can suck up to your real life friends, you can click like on posts to abrogate your earlier faux pas, doesn't change the fact that you think you are somehow better than anyone who thinks that there is an inherent inequality in how certain sections of the community are treated with kid gloves through fear of being accused as a racist. What price equality? |
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Yer wrong guinness that was not n attack on me, of that i am certain, besides even if it was,which it wasn't, i am well capable of attack meself.;):D
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Some disgusting posts in this thread. Goes to show this kind of event( A sad tale of brainwashing and murder ) brings out the absolute worst in people
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dont need a link babies with brain cancer you need more ? |
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dont worry its not illigal and we still live in a democracey i think so knock yor socks off |
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Earlier in this thread I said that the media had made a meal of this story or words to that effect, seems I'm not the only one who felt this way. Was watching BBC news report this morning, where the public contact the BBC about their news content in bulletins, I wasn't the only one to think that if this story had been kept to a minimum without showing videos etc. these murdering scumbags would have failed, terrorism is like a fire, cut of the oxygen and it soon dies, now this story will be played over for months including the trial (pity it wasn't the SAS who attended the scene) not only making every news program but dragging up the whole sorry mess for the soldiers family, but at least the police are learning, a guy, who was a friend of one of the murderers, was arrest on terrorism charges after appearing on Newsnight last night.
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