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cashman 11-01-2015 14:08

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There was also a muslim worker in that supermarket, who hid himself n others downstairs in the freezer, which to me demonstrates clearly, its only the radical nutcases spoil it fer everyone.

Restless 11-01-2015 14:59

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No Rob, I haven't seen that...but I confess to having been a bit busy and distracted of late.

Prob wouldnt want to as there is a lot of swearing... lots of Fboms and a few MFbombs

Eric 12-01-2015 14:32

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1129357)
There was also a muslim worker in that supermarket, who hid himself n others downstairs in the freezer, which to me demonstrates clearly, its only the radical nutcases spoil it fer everyone.

Agreed ... but there are so goddam many of them ... millions ... whole kingdoms full of them.

Global outrage at Saudi Arabia as jailed blogger receives public flogging | World news | The Guardian

But while everyone is watching those wonderful media events starring millions of folks with their silly signs, and Frankly Unctuous (not original ... comes from Allen Drury) and other assorted talking heads, nothing gets done. It's like what happens in the U.S. of Eh. after every mass shooting: nowt ... "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." (Not original either;))

We all know why our governments are nice to those humorless, violent, anti-intellectual, misogynistic, seventh-century throwback (I think that's enough) camel jockeys in the Middle East ... OIL. The stuff that WWl gave us a taste for ... The stuff that led to the clumsy re-drawing of maps at Versailles. The stuff whose value is dropping. Seems like OPEC (that's "Saudi Arabia" spelled backwards in Arabic:rolleyes:) is becoming a spent force ... it'll thrash around for a while ... death throes, I believe they are called ... but the threat of higher prices, or embargoes, is gone. No more of what happened during the Yom Kippur War. It's over. They are like Monty Python's parrot. WE DON'T HAVE TO BE NICE TO THEM ANYMORE No more bending over backwards tolerance ... no more hiding in the closet while you munch on your bacon butties ... Christmas will be back ... no more muslim schools (indoctrination centers) ... "Life of Allan" showing in the movie theatres ... all kinds of neat stuff.

Oh, I almost forgot: Cleaner air.:D

cashman 12-01-2015 18:23

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Well after listening to tonights news, Cameron says if he his Prime Minister after the election, he will give the police "Tougher Powers" to pursue this lot..............Well excuse me!! is that not telling us to vote fer him? Is he not Prime Minister now? So they can shoot n Bomb the crap out of us until he wins.:rolleyes:

Gordon Booth 12-01-2015 18:40

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1129442)
Cameron says if he his Prime Minister after the election, he will give the police "Tougher Powers" to pursue this lot..............Well excuse me!! is that not telling us to vote fer him? Is he not Prime Minister now? So they can shoot n Bomb the crap out of us until he wins.:rolleyes:

Really nice Nick and really, really nice Ed probably wouldn't vote it in.

After all, don't forget Human Rights, offending minorities, minority votes etc.

Not to mention European Court of Human Rights and European Court of Justice.

If quite nice David does get in, we'll see what he actually does, probably get watered down.

Eric 12-01-2015 19:02

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1129443)
Really nice Nick and really, really nice Ed probably wouldn't vote it in.

After all, don't forget Human Rights, offending minorities, minority votes etc.

Not to mention European Court of Human Rights and European Court of Justice.

If quite nice David does get in, we'll see what he actually does, probably get watered down.

That's another thing that pees me off about muslims ... they give tolerance and Human Rights a bad name. Civil Rights in the States was a great idea (from an underrated President), and as soon as the cops get on board, it will be even better.:rolleyes: But Human Rights work only if everyone gets with the program. Call it mutual respect. There are muslims out there demanding everything in return for nothing: "You have the right to respect me and my religion ... but don't nuke your bacon in a microwave I might use at some point in the future. Oh, and don't honor your soldiers. Have a Happy Holiday."

"Britain (or decadent Western cesspool of your choice): If your heart ain't in it, get your ass out of it." I changed it a little.;)

How can you "water down" a vague promise to do very little.:confused:

cashman 12-01-2015 19:05

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1129443)
Really nice Nick and really, really nice Ed probably wouldn't vote it in.

After all, don't forget Human Rights, offending minorities, minority votes etc.

Not to mention European Court of Human Rights and European Court of Justice.

If quite nice David does get in, we'll see what he actually does, probably get watered down.

Well aware of that Gordon, but the point is if he tried now and they stopped him (even so i think a majority would be got) Then it would only increase his chance of being re-elected imho.;)

Gordon Booth 12-01-2015 19:12

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1129446)
Well aware of that Gordon, but the point is if he tried now and they stopped him (even so i think a majority would be got) Then it would only increase his chance of being re-elected imho.;)

That's a good point, cashman.
I'll bet he doesn't though. Talking about it may lose some votes, doing it may lose more and underneath they're all chicken.

Eric 12-01-2015 19:39

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1129447)
they're all chicken.

Nah ... Chickens have balls. I know that 'cause I got some delivered from Panda Garden the other nite.;)

accyman 12-01-2015 22:35

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the news paper/magazine is reprinting the pictures of mohamhead in its next issue to show they are not beaten and their right to freedom of speech will not be silenced

good on them its a pitty every newspaper in the free world isnt publishing them as well in defiance and also to show that all the terrorists acheived was making their problem a lot worse than one magazine offending them

Lucysgirl 13-01-2015 14:06

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1129279)
What will it take for it to be a war in your eyes?
The US never formally declared war on Vietnam, do you think that wasn't a war?

The USA have declared war five times. They declared war on North Vietnam in 1964 after the Vietcong fired missiles at an American ship.

Burningman 13-01-2015 14:11

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I think we need a global redefinition....
If we keep talking about "muslim fundamentalists" it sets us up for accusations of being "islamophobes".
We need to to start calling them "ISLAMOFASCISTS". We have some experience in dealing with fascists.

Lucysgirl 13-01-2015 21:29

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Originally Posted by Burningman (Post 1129487)
I think we need a global redefinition....
If we keep talking about "muslim fundamentalists" it sets us up for accusations of being "islamophobes".
We need to to start calling them "ISLAMOFASCISTS". We have some experience in dealing with fascists.

I think we've played into the hands of the fundamentalists who refrain from differing between the Muslim sects. They ignore the fact that different nationalities have their own customs and simply stress the fact that they are all Muslim Brothers and Sisters. This surely is why muslims of Arabia, Sudanese origin, Pakistani origin, Eastern European origin, etc., feel free to usurp the inhabitants of another country and often on another continent.

accyman 14-01-2015 01:57

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as for what government plans to do about the problem its just too close to an election to believe a damn word any of them say they will do about it

Accyexplorer 14-01-2015 07:31

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Religion is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog :gooddog:

Margaret Pilkington 14-01-2015 07:34

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No, you are wrong Jason.
It is not religion which is dangerous, it is the perversion of religion to justify power for men which is the true danger

cashman 14-01-2015 11:53

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1129538)
No, you are wrong Jason.
It is not religion which is dangerous, it is the perversion of religion to justify power for men which is the true danger

Has he ever been right?:confused::D

DtheP47 14-01-2015 19:37

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1129538)
No, you are wrong Jason.
It is not religion which is dangerous, it is the perversion of religion to justify power for men which is the true danger

Ian McEwan wrote in Saturday's Guardian about how radical Islam has become global attractor for psychopaths Margaret. He makes a point worthy of consideration too that the most effective way of murdering Muslims is to join ISIS and that Pegida or the NF who are thinking of striking back should consider that.
Provocative post I know.

Restless 17-01-2015 09:52

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This madness cannot be allowed to continue. Stoning women to death, crucifixion, making a little boy shoot spies & throwing homosexuals off buildings- The human race makes me sick

DtheP47 17-01-2015 09:58

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1129882)
This madness cannot be allowed to continue. Stoning women to death, crucifixion, making a little boy shoot spies & throwing homosexuals off buildings- The human race makes me sick

You missed the 1000 lashes sentence to blogger Raif Badawi Rob !!

Restless 17-01-2015 10:04

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Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1129887)
You missed the 1000 lashes sentence to blogger Raif Badawi Rob !!

I hadnt seen that

DtheP47 17-01-2015 10:24

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1129891)
I hadnt seen that

Here's the link.


BBC News - Saudis 'to review' flogging of blogger Raif Badawi

cashman 17-01-2015 10:26

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What really bugs me, is the way we constantly kiss Saudi arse, when they are as barbaric as anyone, wouldn't be owt to do wi money would it.:rolleyes:

Gordon Booth 17-01-2015 10:47

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1129899)
What really bugs me, is the way we constantly kiss Saudi arse, when they are as barbaric as anyone, wouldn't be owt to do wi money would it.:rolleyes:

We wouldn't do that just for money, cashman. We have standards you know!
However, money, oil, selling arms?
Well, that's different.

Accyexplorer 17-01-2015 11:04

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There are folk who think this event is staged and is just a psyop being used to destroy folks rights.
I know i'm going to regret this but what do you folk think,is there anything in it?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nypjhQRJfYg

Gordon Booth 17-01-2015 11:27

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1129911)
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There are folk who think this event is staged and is just a psyop being used to destroy folks rights.
I know i'm going to regret this but what do you folk think,is there anything in it?



No, let's play your game properly!
First you tell us what you think.

Accyexplorer 17-01-2015 11:51

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1129915)
No, let's play your game properly!
First you tell us what you think.

Well not being one to derive their opinions from the government or mainstream media,I think there is some truth in it.

Who's a Charlie? France cracks down on free speech in order to defend it | The Electronic Intifada

An intended consequence perhaps?

Restless 17-01-2015 11:55

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Attachment 46513

There are folk who think this event is staged

are you one of THOSE ?

Margaret Pilkington 17-01-2015 12:07

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so are you saying that this french policeman is not dead?
That those coffins supposedly bearing the bodies of the Jews which were killed at the hypermarket were empty?
As for the no blood...well it depends on where a body was shot.......and blood pools to the lowest point so it could be hidden under the body...but you believe in this world what you want to believe.
Just seems a tad elaborate to have to create new identities for so many supposedly dead people...and to hope that they won't blab.

MargaretR 17-01-2015 12:38

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I believe some events are 'staged', some are deliberately provoked, and some spontaneously happen.

The media and governments are so good at population manipulation that it is not always possible to discern what is fact or what is fiction.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ies-48617.html

DtheP47 17-01-2015 12:43

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1129920)
Well not being one to derive their opinions from the government or mainstream media,I think there is some truth in it.

Who's a Charlie? France cracks down on free speech in order to defend it | The Electronic Intifada

An intended consequence perhaps?

AstraZeneca are trialling new drug AccyX. Maybe you can get on the programme? Evidently it's a brain numbing tablet that relieves people of the urge constantly tap the keys on their keyboards. I believe you are afflicted with the Intercontinental Verbal Incontinence Virus

Accyexplorer 17-01-2015 12:49

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1129925)
so are you saying that this french policeman is not dead?
That those coffins supposedly bearing the bodies of the Jews which were killed at the hypermarket were empty?
As for the no blood...well it depends on where a body was shot.......and blood pools to the lowest point so it could be hidden under the body...but you believe in this world what you want to believe.
Just seems a tad elaborate to have to create new identities for so many supposedly dead people...and to hope that they won't blab.

I know what your saying M,I don't believe this copper was 'killed' by a shot to the head from a AK47 like the MSM says he was (if he was there wouldn't be much left of his head).
If they can lie about that what else can they lie about?

Accyexplorer 17-01-2015 12:56

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astrazeneca are trialling new drug accyx. Maybe you can get on the programme? Evidently it's a brain numbing tablet that relieves people of the urge constantly tap the keys on their keyboards. I believe you are afflicted with the intercontinental verbal incontinence virus

Attachment 46517

Margaret Pilkington 17-01-2015 13:22

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1129932)
I know what your saying M,I don't believe this copper was 'killed' by a shot to the head from a AK47 like the MSM says he was (if he was there wouldn't be much left of his head).
If they can lie about that what else can they lie about?

So then, what happened to him?
Is he dead..or is he not dead?
Was he shot in the head? I don't recall reading about where(on his body) this Muslim policeman was shot.
A fellow Muslim.......and although an establishment figure(as a policeman) surely he would not be happy to have other Muslims accused of something they did not do to provoke unrest/alienate Muslim people in France and across the world.

I don't know the origin of the clip of video that you have posted, but how do we know that this has not been edited in some way to support the conspiracy theory??

Eric 17-01-2015 13:26

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And let's not forget FGM, flying planes full of people into buildings full of people, bombing buses and subway trains, hacking a soldier to death in the middle of the street, shooting an unarmed soldier in the back as he stands guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, setting off a bomb during a race, killing a shopper 'cause his last name is "Jewish", shooting a girl in the head for the sin of going to school ... and lots more. There has to be a common thread to all this. If only I could figure it out.:confused:

Accyexplorer 17-01-2015 13:31

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1129938)
So then, what happened to him?
Is he dead..or is he not dead?
Was he shot in the head? I don't recall reading about where(on his body) this Muslim policeman was shot.
A fellow Muslim.......and although an establishment figure(as a policeman) surely he would not be happy to have other Muslims accused of something they did not do to provoke unrest/alienate Muslim people in France and across the world.

I don't know the origin of the clip of video that you have posted, but how do we know that this has not been edited in some way to support the conspiracy theory??

I'd say he's dead M,what I'm saying is, 'I don't believe he was killed by the shot to the head' (that clearly missed).
Another (conspiracy) theory is that CH was experiencing financial difficulties.

"Before the Jan. 7 shooting that left 12 dead, before 3.7 million people marched in France, and before George Clooney wore a "Je Suis Charlie" button at the Golden Globes, Charlie Hebdo was in trouble. The satirical magazine needed funds. Sales weren't covering the cost of manufacturing, and from Nov. 4 until a few hours after the massacre, a desperate banner topped the homepage: "Charlie est en danger!"

"We need to quickly find ways to exist without depending on outside shareholders or banks," read a loosely translated post on the site asking readers for donations. Charlie Hebdo was printing 60,000 copies a week, but only selling half of them at roughly $3.50 a copy.

A week after the fatal shooting, a lot has changed. Charlie Hebdo is expected to print 3 million copiesof Wednesday's issue, its first since the Paris massacre. People across the world are clamoring to buy the magazine, which will be published in 16 languages in 25 countries.

The magazine's newfound popularity and international support could translate into a long-term increase in circulation, said Rodney Benson, a professor of media studies and sociology at New York University. The magazine has become legendary, he said. "Charlie and its moment is never going to be forgotten," said Benson, an expert on French news media."

Read more here:-
Charlie Hebdo First Issue: Magazine Was In Financial 'Danger' Before Paris Massacre


Like you said in a previous comment, it seems that whenever there's a (terrorist) attack these days, there's a conspiracy theory not far behind :)

Margaret Pilkington 17-01-2015 13:56

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So...what are you saying in that post...just to be clear?
Are you saying that someone at Charlie Hebdo organised for terrorists to go in and shoot much of the magazine's staff so that they didn't have to be paid....so that the magazine could be closed down...or are you saying it was done to increase the profile of the magazine so that it made money out of what was a loss of life talent(whether you agree with how that talent was utilised is beside the point).
Quite frankly that is a ludicrous proposition.
Was the Jewish supermarket also in trouble too...does that explain why that was a target for terrorist attacks??

It is healthy to ask questions and not always accept things on face value, but you also need to question the video clip too.......it is easy enough to manipulate videos and photographs(heck, some of it, even I can do)

Accyexplorer 17-01-2015 14:06

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What I'm saying is there are folk (not saying I do) who believe that when your experiencing finical difficulties if you do something that enrages folk (about 2million) you'll soon be back in the money...."ludicrous"?....perhaps.

As for the video clip being edited....hmmm,I've seen quite a few clip (one showing what a AK47 does to a human head) and I doubt they were edited to fit "conspiracy theories".

Less 17-01-2015 14:13

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1129920)
Well not being one to derive their opinions from the government or mainstream media,I think there is some truth in it.

Who's a Charlie? France cracks down on free speech in order to defend it | The Electronic Intifada

An intended consequence perhaps?

So when asked for your opinion you supply links?

Give us your opinion Accyexplorer, or perhaps because you are in stirring mode you would prefer to be known by your negative karma name of T?

Just a guess, but it would fit nicely with your sick ways.

Maybe Ace whole is more fitting?

Accyexplorer 17-01-2015 14:23

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1129947)
So when asked for your opinion you supply links?

Give us your opinion Accyexplorer, or perhaps because you are in stirring mode you would prefer to be known by your negative karma name of T?

Just a guess, but it would fit nicely with your sick ways.

Maybe Ace whole is more fitting?

My opinion was yes, "I think there is some truth in it".

You of all folk should know I like to sign my karma (good or bad).

Now stop with the name calling and grow up :thefinger

Less 17-01-2015 14:28

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1129948)
My opinion was yes, "I think there is some truth in it".

You of all folk should know I like to sign my karma (good or bad).

Now stop with the name calling and grow up :thefinger

What name calling?

I always go for accuracy in my posts!

You however always manage to prove what folk suspect you to be.

As for always signing karma, you may always sign it but maybe not with your user name Mr. T?

Margaret Pilkington 17-01-2015 14:30

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1129946)
What I'm saying is there are folk (not saying I do) who believe that when your experiencing finical difficulties if you do something that enrages folk (about 2million) you'll soon be back in the money...."ludicrous"?....perhaps.

As for the video clip being edited....hmmm,I've seen quite a few clip (one showing what a AK47 does to a human head) and I doubt they were edited to fit "conspiracy theories".

If you do not believe it then why do you post it?
So Charlie Hebdo deliberately provoked the attack....is that what you are saying?......and for financial gain?

And as for videos being edited.....if you are open to the possibility of the 'establishment' twisting news to their own agenda, then you have to accept that there are others who would do whatever necessary to discredit the establishment by whatever means they can.

Gordon Booth 17-01-2015 15:25

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1129920)
Well not being one to derive their opinions from the government or mainstream media,I think there is some truth in it.

You prefer to read 'Electronic Intifada'? Seems reasonable for you.

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I know what your saying M,I don't believe this copper was 'killed' by a shot to the head from a AK47

Study the video.

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1129939)
And let's not forget FGM, flying planes full of people into buildings full of people, bombing buses and subway trains, hacking a soldier to death in the middle of the street, shooting an unarmed soldier in the back as he stands guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, setting off a bomb during a race, killing a shopper 'cause his last name is "Jewish", shooting a girl in the head for the sin of going to school ... and lots more. There has to be a common thread to all this. If only I could figure it out.:confused:

Lies, all lies I tell you! Ask AccyE and MargaretR.

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1129940)
I'd say he's dead M,what I'm saying is, 'I don't believe he was killed by the shot to the head' (that clearly missed).

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1129946)

As for the video clip being edited....hmmm,I've seen quite a few clip (one showing what a AK47 does to a human head) and I doubt they were edited to fit "conspiracy theories".

As I said, study the video. No trained shooter holding an AK47 would take a one handed shot at someones head running past them- he'd go for a body shot.
Pause the video, watch the angle of the AK47 on discharge and the smoke- the shot is down through the right shoulder.

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1129948)
My opinion was yes, "I think there is some truth in it"

So you agree he's dead? But it was all a propaganda cover up? Have you lost all touch with reality?

Eric 17-01-2015 15:41

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1129960)
Have you lost all touch with reality?

I presume the question is rhetorical.;)

Accyexplorer 17-01-2015 15:42

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Sky news clearly reports "shot in the head".

"Footage of France's deadliest terror attack for 40 years shows one of the gunmen shoot a policeman 'in the head' at point-blank range."

Paris Policeman Shot In Head As He Pleads For Life

If disputing that makes me a conspiracy theorist, so be it.

Neil 17-01-2015 15:45

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1129932)
I know what your saying M,I don't believe this copper was 'killed' by a shot to the head from a AK47 like the MSM says he was (if he was there wouldn't be much left of his head).
If they can lie about that what else can they lie about?

I think the in the head bit was the opinion of a news reporter watching the video. It's quite obvious to most folks that in the head at that range would make a mess so it's more likely he was shot in the body

Gordon Booth 17-01-2015 16:17

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Now that really is interesting!
Watch the Sky film, taken at the time.
Watch for the flame from the AK47. Assuming the shooter is under six foot he's about eight foot from the policeman when he fires. Look at the angle of the rifle.
Watch the Electronic Intifada video- it appears to be the same video but the shooter is within a foot of the policeman and shoots almost straight down. The rifle is in line with his right leg.
Only one shot fired but from a very different position. And watch the flame from the muzzle- both different.
Somebody is fixing something and I doubt if Sky had time or reason to!

Accyexplorer 17-01-2015 17:25

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1129970)
Now that really is interesting!
Watch the Sky film, taken at the time.
Watch for the flame from the AK47. Assuming the shooter is under six foot he's about eight foot from the policeman when he fires. Look at the angle of the rifle.
Watch the Electronic Intifada video- it appears to be the same video but the shooter is within a foot of the policeman and shoots almost straight down. The rifle is in line with his right leg.
Only one shot fired but from a very different position. And watch the flame from the muzzle- both different.
Somebody is fixing something and I doubt if Sky had time or reason to!

My main motivation for reading "conspiracy theories" (apart from I like a laugh) is rather selfish (learning purposes).
I also (as you may of gathered) like to throw my findings into the mix (even if doing so makes me the "idiot").
Much like MargetR (and maybe one or two others) If someone claims an alternative explanation to a official theory, I like to try and see if there's any substance or rationale to it, instead of blindly believing what the MSM spouts.:rolleyes:

Now, there is much more at stake here than the video or the attacks and that is the powers that be are going to use it to expand wars, write away more rights and as usual increase surveillance.

17 folk get killed in France, (supposedly) over a question of free speech, and the first thing that governments want to do is use that event to take away free speech on the Internet :eek:
The very same governments that expressed no outrage whatsoever as the U.S. military killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and elsewhere.

Do you not find it funny that "terrorism" is called "Foreign Policy" when we "the west" do it and "terrorism" for anyone else...actually don't answer that :rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington 17-01-2015 17:46

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So.....are you saying that 17 people didn't actually get murdered?

And is it that you support what the terrorists were doing?

Is it that you want to be ruled by Sharia law?
Not to be able to listen to music.....to be forced to covert to Islam...and not just any brand of Islam because some brands do not confer immunity from being massacred.....ask the Yazidi tribe.....oh, no...that won't work they were massacred by ISIS(allegedly...because I guess you probably thought that was just a propaganda stunt too....along with the beheading of Alan Henning and other aid workers)....is that Foreign Policy...or terrorism?
No, don't answer that I really don't need to know.

DtheP47 17-01-2015 17:57

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I'm fed up now...time to move on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qPjZ81L77Y

Gordon Booth 17-01-2015 18:19

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1129975)
My main motivation for reading "conspiracy theories" (apart from I like a laugh) is rather selfish (learning purposes).

So you hope to learn by watching heavily and badly edited videos put out by jihadist websites? The sooner you move onto the Beano the better.

I also (as you may of gathered) like to throw my findings into the mix (even if doing so makes me the "idiot").

Yes, I'm afraid it does.

If someone claims an alternative explanation to a official theory, I like to try and see if there's any substance or rationale to it,

Doesn't take long to show it's rubbish.


Now, there is much more at stake here than the video or the attacks and that is the powers that be are going to use it to expand wars, write away more rights and as usual increase surveillance.

17 folk get killed in France, (supposedly)??? over a question of free speech, and the first thing that governments want to do is use that event to take away free speech on the Internet :eek:

With mass murder across Paris and narrowly avoided in Belgium not unnaturally they want to stop mass murderers plotting mass murders on the internet.

The very same governments that expressed no outrage whatsoever as the U.S. military killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and elsewhere.

Incorrect by a few 0's- look up the figures for civilian deaths caused by US military action in those countries.

Do you not find it funny that "terrorism" is called "Foreign Policy" when we "the west" do it and "terrorism" for anyone else...actually don't answer that :rolleyes:

Give me a quote of Western foreign policy which includes mass murder of civilians, rape of little girls, beheading in bulk etc.

Less 17-01-2015 19:14

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1129975)
My main motivation for reading "conspiracy theories"


Be Honest, for once in your life, you read crap then you post crap, only because you think your crap is worth something.

Well you are right, your crap is worth something to you, unfortunately, it's worth nothing to the site or the folk that keep it alive.

So... either improve your post's OR leave the rest of us alone.

By the way whatever the French did to remove ****e like you I approve of.

Gordon Booth 17-01-2015 19:17

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1129997)
Be Honest, for once in your life, you read crap then you post crap, only because you think your crap is worth something.

Well you are right, your crap is worth something to you, unfortunately, it's worth nothing to the site or the folk that keep it alive.

So... either improve your post's OR leave the rest of us alone.

I don't think that will work, Less.

Too subtle for him.

Less 17-01-2015 19:24

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1129999)
I don't think that will work, Less.

Too subtle for him.

You have left yourself open to red karma from his alter ego Mr. T

Restless 17-01-2015 20:43

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1130000)
You have left yourself open to red karma from his alter ego Mr. T

The other one I had was a MR D

accyman 18-01-2015 11:01

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1130000)
You have left yourself open to red karma from his alter ego Mr. T

Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1130015)
The other one I had was a MR D


is this accywebbs version of cluedo

i like a good Mr.E


yup i think it was Mr .E in the hall with the candlestick :D

Accyexplorer 18-01-2015 11:29

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1130060)
is this accywebbs version of cluedo

i like a good Mr.E


yup i think it was Mr .E in the hall with the candlestick :D


I love Cluedo,I've just got the terrorist edition...



....turns out they all did it,in the west, with a machine gun

Neil 18-01-2015 13:16

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1129985)
Give me a quote of Western foreign policy which includes mass murder of civilians, rape of little girls, beheading in bulk etc.

No quote sorry but 20,000 dead civilians are mentioned here in Afghanistan alone

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilia...2%80%93present)

This is a better link showing civilian casualties in recent ish wars including those currently being killed by drone strikes in Pakistan and other places

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio

Barrie Yates 18-01-2015 16:04

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1130072)
No quote sorry but 20,000 dead civilians are mentioned here in Afghanistan alone

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilia...2%80%93present)

This is a better link showing civilian casualties in recent ish wars including those currently being killed by drone strikes in Pakistan and other places

Civilian casualty ratio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Terrorists are not members of any formal military organisation and must therefore also be classed as civilians. Military personnel wear uniform not civilian clothes (except Special Forces in certain circumstances).

Gordon Booth 18-01-2015 16:57

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Neil, I was disputing AccE's statement that 'US forces killed hundred of thousands of civilians'.
But then, you can dispute most of the things he posts!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1130072)
No quote sorry but 20,000 dead civilians are mentioned here in Afghanistan alone

A bit to read in your attachments but if you look at the figures I think the 20,000 is a total of all civilian deaths including Taliban action.

For instance- Total civilians killed / By Nato and Gov / By insurgent action

2008 / 2118 /823 /1160
2009 /2412 / 596 /1630
2010 /2777 /440 /2080
2011(1st 6 mth) /1462 /207 /1167

Still horrific figures but most of them Afghans killing Afghans. At least the Coalitions forces try not to kill civilians,more than can be said for the Taliban with their suicide bombers, IED's, executions etc.

Sorry, laid it out as a table but it didn't work.

Accyexplorer 18-01-2015 17:03

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
The retaliation has started:-

Firebombs and pigs heads thrown into mosques as anti-Muslim attacks increase after Paris shootings - Europe - World - The Independent

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...m-9985072.html

Accyexplorer 18-01-2015 17:32

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1130099)
Neil, I was disputing AccE's statement that 'US forces killed hundred of thousands of civilians'.
But then, you can dispute most of the things he posts!



A bit to read in your attachments but if you look at the figures I think the 20,000 is a total of all civilian deaths including Taliban action.

For instance- Total civilians killed / By Nato and Gov / By insurgent action

2008 / 2118 /823 /1160
2009 /2412 / 596 /1630
2010 /2777 /440 /2080
2011(1st 6 mth) /1462 /207 /1167

Still horrific figures but most of them Afghans killing Afghans. At least the Coalitions forces try not to kill civilians,more than can be said for the Taliban with their suicide bombers, IED's, executions etc.

Sorry, laid it out as a table but it didn't work.


Perhaps when you get your lingual out of Less's sphincter you'll be able to comprehend what I was saying in comment :rolleyes:

Gordon Booth 18-01-2015 18:14

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1130101)
Perhaps when you get your lingual out of Less's sphincter you'll be able to comprehend what I was saying in comment :rolleyes:

You're grasp of Latin isn't very good. But then your grasp of most things seems questionable.

Perhaps if you had better control of your sphincter you wouldn't post so much rubbish on here.

Less 18-01-2015 18:48

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1130101)
Perhaps when you get your lingual out of Less's sphincter you'll be able to comprehend what I was saying in comment :rolleyes:

Well you have to be admired, I've never known anyone put so much effort into proving themselves a simpleton as you do.

If you ever post anything of value or sense on site we'll know you've been plagiarising again.

Eric 18-01-2015 19:20

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1130100)
The retaliation has started:-

Not surprising really ... but, if you did read the article you may have noticed the following: "Islamophobic incidents are nothing new."

"Islamophobic incidents" are endemic in most Western countries ... but so again are "Antisemitic incidents" not to mention assorted racist horse shiite. If there were no retaliatory incidents, that would be news. Now, if some good ol' boys from Aryan Nations flew a jet liner into the Burj Khalifa the world would really sit up and take notice. Or nuke Mecca:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlSQAZEp3PA

Restless 20-01-2015 15:17

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
edit: doesnt matter

Studio25 20-01-2015 16:52

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1130099)
...Still horrific figures but most of them Afghans killing Afghans. At least the Coalitions forces try not to kill civilians,more than can be said for the Taliban with their suicide bombers, IED's, executions etc.

Sorry, laid it out as a table but it didn't work.

Code:

              civilians  By Nato  By insurgent
                killed  and Gov    action
    2008        2118      823      1160
    2009        2412      596      1630
    2010        2777      440      2080
2011(1st 6 mth)  1462      207      1167


Gordon Booth 20-01-2015 17:01

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Studio25 (Post 1130421)
Code:

              civilians  By Nato  By insurgent
                killed  and Gov    action
    2008        2118      823      1160
    2009        2412      596      1630
    2010        2777      440      2080
2011(1st 6 mth)  1462      207      1167


That's the way to do it, S25!

Still working on your method, just found the Windows key!

Incidentally, just reading a report on BBC-
5 years to 2011, fatalities from terrorism were between 82% and 95% Muslim.
No reliable figures up to current date.
Says a lot.

Total deaths caused by terrorists 2004- 2013 in 10 worst countries- about 257000. Unbelievable!

Accyexplorer 20-01-2015 17:31

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Worth a read..........there's even a few charts :rolleyes:

What you need to know about terrorism and its causes: a graphic account - Stop the War Coalition

"Tough on terrorism,tough on the causes of terrorism"

Gordon Booth 20-01-2015 19:52

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1130426)

Hmmmm(as you used to say).

Stop the War Coalition/Counterfire.

'A revolutionary Socialist news and theory website, from the movement, for the movement.'
Their description, not mine.

Interesting read but(dare I suggest) possibly showing a little bias in it's articles- even the USSR gave up on Marxism, China's going the same way.

Margaret Pilkington 20-01-2015 21:38

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
I did not read all of the article because of the bias I found in it.....Gordon, you took the words right out of my mouth.

accyman 20-01-2015 23:56

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
i heard yesterday on the radio news that cameron sent a letter out to mosques asking them to be vigilant and to keep an eye open for signs of extreemism etc or words to effect

a muslim spokesman was having a moan about it saying that by sending out those letters he was implying muslims wernt part of british society

ya see no matter how horrible an event theres always someone who can twist things so they are the victim:rolleyes:

DtheP47 21-01-2015 01:17

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1130480)
i heard yesterday on the radio news that cameron sent a letter out to mosques asking them to be vigilant and to keep an eye open for signs of extreemism etc or words to effect

ya see no matter how horrible an event theres always someone who can twist things so they are the victim:rolleyes:

Not sure what radio station you listen to Accyman but t'was Eric Pickles our Communities Secretary that wrote the letter.

Accyexplorer 21-01-2015 07:41

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1130436)
Hmmmm(as you used to say).

Stop the War Coalition/Counterfire.

'A revolutionary Socialist news and theory website, from the movement, for the movement.'
Their description, not mine.

Interesting read but(dare I suggest) possibly showing a little bias in it's articles- even the USSR gave up on Marxism, China's going the same way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1130469)
I did not read all of the article because of the bias I found in it.....Gordon, you took the words right out of my mouth.

Sorry,I know, my link wasn't found on the front page of the MSM papers it was found in the small cooking section where nobody looks :p

cashman 21-01-2015 07:46

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Dont really matter who wrote the letter, sod all offensive in it, as far as i'm concerned its perfectly reasonable, Those mosque leaders who are moaning about it are a disgrace, and have no right to be in the U.K. cos they are NOT british and never will be.:mad: This is one of the few times i can agree wi Cameron.

Boeing Guy 21-01-2015 08:28

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Accyexplorer, if you read your history you will see where all this started.
Very briefly, Osama Bin Laden, who was involved in the Afghan struggle against the USSR offered to protect Saudi Arabia, and the House of Saud, against the expected invasion from Iraq, who in 1990 had invaded Kuwait and had eyes on Saudi. King Fahd refused Bin Ladens offer, instead accepting the Coalition forces and American Troops. Bin Laden took this as an insult to Islam that infidels protect Mecca and Medina, prompting him to and Al Qaeda to start plotting against the 'great satan' resulting in the World Trade Centre bombing in 1993. The rest as they say is history

Accyexplorer 21-01-2015 10:38

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1130498)
Accyexplorer, if you read your history you will see where all this started.
Very briefly, Osama Bin Laden, who was involved in the Afghan struggle against the USSR offered to protect Saudi Arabia, and the House of Saud, against the expected invasion from Iraq, who in 1990 had invaded Kuwait and had eyes on Saudi. King Fahd refused Bin Ladens offer, instead accepting the Coalition forces and American Troops. Bin Laden took this as an insult to Islam that infidels protect Mecca and Medina, prompting him to and Al Qaeda to start plotting against the 'great satan' resulting in the World Trade Centre bombing in 1993. The rest as they say is history


So do you believe religion in a man is as dangerous as rabies in a hound? :dancedog:

While the condemning these attacks and desire for revenge (on both sides) is understandable I don't beileve its a solution....it just seems to create more s***e.
I'm not disputing where it started,we all know there's violence on both sides.its just a shame folk can't see that they have more in common than they have differences.

Fact is, its very hard to stop folk setting off a van bomb near government buildings and shooting 69 participants of a summer camp......it's nearly as hard as stopping folk from jumping on a bus/train with bomb strapped to their back.

I think to have any sort of solution to all this we need to address the violence within us and try to create communities where these things are less likely to happen......will that happen? Hmmm (as I say).
What's trying to create said communities mean it practical terms? for me,it means not supporting violence in foreign countries and not being fearful of folk that are different from myself.

cashman 21-01-2015 10:53

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Yeh cant address sod all wi these lunatics,unless yeh turn muslim and adopt sharia law etc, what sodding planet are you on? i seriously wonder.:rolleyes:

Accyexplorer 21-01-2015 11:05

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1130507)
Yeh cant address sod all wi these lunatics,unless yeh turn muslim and adopt sharia law etc, what sodding planet are you on? i seriously wonder.:rolleyes:

Sorry C, I struggle replying when I'm using my phone,perhaps you could join this firm....they seem to have adopted a similar way of thinking :rolleyes:

CHRISTIAN PATROL, BLACKBURN, NORTH WEST

LiveLeak.com -


http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=b8b_1421763070

cashman 21-01-2015 11:19

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Don't blame the phone, when its reality yeh struggle with.:rolleyes:

Accyexplorer 21-01-2015 11:21

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
It wouldn't let me add the clip from liveleak :(

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=92WJs8BtH3A

cashman 21-01-2015 11:25

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
I wasn't even aware of these knobheads, but seems you were.:rolleyes:I seem to recall n owd saying "It takes one,to know one."

accyman 21-01-2015 14:12

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1130483)
Not sure what radio station you listen to Accyman but t'was Eric Pickles our Communities Secretary that wrote the letter.


it was the news on talksport altough who wrote it dosnt really matter the main point is it wasnt an unreasonable request but as per usual despite the outcome of recent events in paris some idiot managed to make it all about how muslims are shunned if you will from society which i find a bit rich considering how hard some areas work to make sure they dont fit into british society .

Gordon Booth 21-01-2015 15:06

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1130511)
It wouldn't let me add the clip from liveleak :(

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=92WJs8BtH3A

That's probably the most boring video I've ever watched, watched it all to see the rioting mob at the end but there isn't one.

Not like you, AccyE, not your usual standard!

DaveinGermany 21-01-2015 15:45

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1130511)
the clip from liveleak :(

And the point of that was ......... ?? The bums of allah manage well enough to get offended as it is without daft things like this, talk about prodding a hornets nest with a shiitey stick! It's like picking scabs.

cashman 21-01-2015 15:50

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1130532)
And the point of that was ......... ?? The bums of allah manage well enough to get offended as it is without daft things like this, talk about prodding a hornets nest with a shiitey stick! It's like picking scabs.

I know this dave, he aint even a troll wi sense.:rolleyes:

Accyexplorer 22-01-2015 07:53

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1130528)
That's probably the most boring video I've ever watched, watched it all to see the rioting mob at the end but there isn't one.

Not like you, AccyE, not your usual standard!

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1130532)
And the point of that was ......... ?? The bums of allah manage well enough to get offended as it is without daft things like this, talk about prodding a hornets nest with a shiitey stick! It's like picking scabs.

I must agree (this time)....not only did i fail to cater for G's lust of violence i failed to add any sort of useful information to forum (again).....for that,i can only apologise :o.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1130533)
I know this dave, he aint even a troll wi sense.:rolleyes:

What is a "troll"? a person who posts in order to provoke folk?

Perhaps your a "troll"?....I see "Wizz" is on the list;-

The Crocels Trolling Academy | The 12 Types of Internet Troller

Troll's may give the impression they struggle with reality and that they're uniformed, ignorant even a "idiot".........do not be deceived :p

Accyexplorer 22-01-2015 11:57

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1129985)
Give me a quote of Western foreign policy which includes mass murder of civilians, rape of little girls, beheading in bulk etc.

I had to have a look G,seems its unwritten :p

1. "Mass murder of civilians": "The number of Western civilians killed by Islamic militants pales in comparison to the number of non-combatants that have died at the hands of the US and its military allies in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and Yemen."
ISIS are barbaric savages but what should we call US mass murderers of civilians? - Stop the War Coalition

2."rape of little girls": BBC News - UK soldier accused of Austria girl rape He represents a tiny, tiny minority of the armed forces...but still.

3."beheading in bulk":Hmmm i think beheading may be the better of the two evils British soldiers ?killed and disfigured Iraqi civilians? | Metro News

Eric 22-01-2015 13:27

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1130498)
The rest as they say is history

Or, according to some, "conspiracy";)

Gordon Booth 22-01-2015 13:59

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1130600)

3."beheading in bulk":Hmmm i think beheading may be the better of the two evils British soldiers ?killed and disfigured Iraqi civilians? | Metro News

Dear me , you've done it again. You're attachment is dated 4th March 2013.
Don't you ever check properly? Ten months later-

Al Sweady inquiry clears British soldiers of murder and torture claims - Telegraph

I can't be bothered reading your attachment from the Marxist revolutionaries- did you?

And your response to mass rape- sad.

Gordon Booth 22-01-2015 15:21

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Well, AccyE, as I said post 181 wasn't up to your normal standard but good to see you're back on form- post 188 total drivel as usual.

Less 22-01-2015 15:39

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1130623)
Well, AccyE, as I said post 181 wasn't up to your normal standard but good to see you're back on form- post 188 total drivel as usual.

Now come on, why pick on #188?

#187 was also drivel, in fact, he has set himself a standard and keeps down to it whichever thread he abuses!
:o

Gordon Booth 22-01-2015 15:45

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1130624)
Now come on, why pick on #188?

#187 was also drivel, in fact, he has set himself a standard and keeps down to it whichever thread he abuses!
:o

True, but I thought in 188 he reached new heights, I admire a man who always tries to do better!

Less 22-01-2015 16:13

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1130626)
True, but I thought in 188 he reached new heights, I admire a man who always tries to do better!

Sorry to contradict, I do agree except he reached new lows.

No doubt he will be either apologising for his comments or else attempting second hand humour, he can't do a decent insult, always copies someone else's theme.

A real shame, if he stuck to what he really knows...

He wouldn't post.
:)

Gordon Booth 22-01-2015 16:33

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1130628)

A real shame, if he stuck to what he really knows...

He wouldn't post.
:)

But think how we'd miss him! A bit like having a bad tooth out- you miss the pain.One is in the jaw, the other is lower
down.

Accyexplorer 18-11-2015 12:32

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Are these latest shootings the straw that broke the camels back?

DaveinGermany 18-11-2015 18:39

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
It's taken 6 days for a comment to appear on here with regards to the latest sickening antics from the "Ali's snackbar" brigade. Much as I'm not a fan of the French, they at least are prepared to start action to retaliate & stand up for their populace when threatened. Sadly, quite a few other European leaders remain spinelessly inactive despite an ever present & current threat to their citizenry & way of life.

Margaret Pilkington 18-11-2015 19:57

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
The lily livered approach never works...diplomacy seldom works...what is needed is what Francois Hollande has suggested, that is a concerted effort by many nations to root out ISIS...stop them in their tracks..deprive them of funding, destroy their weapons.

I have heard very little condemnation from Muslim leaders, Imams and such like...when we hear nothing from ordinary Muslims it is thought that they condone what is being done in the name of their religion.
I know that muslims have stood in the silent crowds...but silence speaks volumes.
They should be shouting from the rooftops 'Not in My name.....this is not the Islam that I follow'.....that they say nothing means that we have to make our own conclusions. that these conclusions MIGHT be wrong needs to be addressed and thus far it has not been.

dotti34 18-11-2015 20:43

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
My thoughts exactly, Margaret. In this case silence is NOT golden - it certainly does speak volumes.

Margaret Pilkington 18-11-2015 21:51

Re: Paris Shootings.
 
Too much time has been spent pussyfooting around so as not to offend the sensibilities of muslims.
How many more people have to die before some definitive action is taken?
The porous borders of Europe have been detrimental to the cause of tracking down the men who have barbarity in their hearts...those who see every non muslim as Kuffar and disposable...to be got rid of.
Maybe this is the tilting point......maybe the world leaders will get together and have a common aim in defeating these murderers.


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