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Paying any heed to yon mon is a complete waste of time in my book.;)

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this book you refer too on many occasions over the years entitled "my book " , is it available on amazon it seems to be quite a large book and worthy of a read ?

is there a second book in the works perhaps entitled my life or maybe my struggle ?

or should i just stop now before i get "The Book" thrown at me :D

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You think I talk sh*te,Scameron has said bombing IS in Syria will make the UK safer :eek:

David Cameron says bombing IS in Syria to make UK \'safer\'

Would us helping to bomb Syria really make a difference? Hmmm

I know folk may not be as pro war as I like to imply but believing Cameron is stupidity.
Its more a case of Cameron being desperate to be seen to be playing with the big boys I think.
For me,It would be nice if Daeshy Dave put the defence of the realm first and stopped playing war...

...In simple terms,stop funding these BS invasions and put that money into border security and eradicating the domestic threat in this country

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I'm now stuck between the frying pan and the fire, I really do think believing Cameron (or indeed the majority of the politicians) when it comes to bombing anywhere is stupidity.

However knowing your record of unbelievable posts not just on this but sundry other subjects, you know what? I'd believe him and any of the rest before even considering an alternative you could conjure up.

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Yeah you do talk garbage!

I'm no Tory..but...

If you actually looked at what was said, as opposed to using a badly translated asian commentary ripped from a poor Daily Mirror opinion piece

Full text of David Cameron's memorandum on Syria airstrikes | Politics | The Guardian

You would see (on page 9 of the above) from what was actually said..that Cameron states that Airstrikes alone will not defeat IS. (everyone and his brother with a modicum of sense knows that dropping conventional bombs randomly on a populace doesn't work (a lesson learned from events like the London blitz and napalming Vietnam amongst others)...

Cameron is a lot of things, but an idiot is not one of them. And even if he did use the phrase 'make us safer' during verbal sparring across the house, where every single word is analysed to death..he would have meant it in terms of strategic bombing of supply lines, or front line troops in support of friendly ground troops advancing.

Personally I'm more annoyed at Corbyns stance (and I've defended him a few times previously), I'm reminded of Denis Healey banging on about 'jingoism' whilst our guys were shedding blood in the Falklands...and we all know what happened to the Labour party at the following election.

Oh and Airstrikes are not 'invasions' they are 'interdictions'

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Yes, I wanted to say that Guinness, but feel like I could be seen as attacking Jason for his views.
I have been telling him all along that his views were skewed....But it appears to have made very little impact.

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I don't know what's more shocking....folk struggling to swallow the fact that we're part of the problem in the Middle East or that someone is of a similar opinion to me and their a Daily Mirror reader (please provide the link I need to see it for myself).

Why does Cameron seem so keen to take Britain into another ruddy war,we can't look after our elderly etc but money for war is no problem :confused:....We've no business interfering in Syria imo and I hope it makes you 'pro war' folk proud that we're sending 'our boys' to kill innocents and spread misery around the world in the name of 'freedom :rolleyes:.


....I will now refrain from commenting further on this thread.

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You are the gift that just keeps on giving..

It’s called ‘education’ …read as much as you can….take in all points of view… you look at all the facts, evidence and suppositions… and then extrapolate.

I’m not your tutor… instead of copy/pasting the views of others or linking the first google result that agrees with your parameters, try educating
yourself!

You keep saying that people who disagree with you are ‘pro-war’….like it or not….IS has already declared war on anyone who does not follow their version of the prophets word and the caliphate! This is an incontrovertable fact! We are not the aggressors here, we are the defenders!

And your concept of freedom is what? Rape, torture, murder, exploitation, beheading, crucifixion, maiming, slavery, paedophilia, women without rights, legal divorce by texting a five letter word three times.

You are probably right in keeping your gob shut, because I'd love to see you tell one of 'our boys' that they were spreading misery and killing innocents.

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Yep, I agree, just going in there bombing IS is not going to ultimately defeat them. So presumably, this bombing in support of friendly ground troops advancing refers to what he mentions on page 8...ie, "70,000 Syrian opposition fighters on the ground who are not members of extremist groups".

But surely, what their "opposition" is directed towards at the moment is Assad, not IS. And, I would imagine, they have their hands somewhat full, fighting for their lives and those of their families against Assad's murderous regime. Is it not, therefore, wishful thinking on Cameron's part to assume that they're going to abandon their fight with the Assad regime en masse and start advancing on IS, once our chaps commence their bombing campaign?

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12 months ago cameron wanted to bomb assad and now he wants to bomb isis

the guy seems to only want to bomb isis because everyone else is on the bomb isis band wagon

dont get me wrong for every bomb dropped on isis id welcome 10 more but if Paris hadnt happened i think cameron would still be sat leaving isis to do as they please living in ignorant bliss to the fact that these people arnt just in Syria they more than likely hiding in every country and need rooting out before we have another 7/7 or worse

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Jason, is this refraining from making comments just for today?
Or are you really going to exit the thread?
When you have promised this in the past, it has been very short term.

I am not pro war, I hate violence of any description. I hate to see or hear about suffering, conflict.
But, these murderers are not like any other army.
They want to wage war using medieval torture, slavery,they want everyone in the world to follow their dogma.....and not the peaceful version of it. They want to remove freedoms which were only gained after centuries of fighting...They want to return to what is largely a feudal system. You think you are oppressed by the Tories......well you know absolutely nothing about real oppression.
Now if you want to think of your children, your grandchildren being in the situation where they follow Islam or are killed in barbaric ways.....then cart on.

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To me bombing is the worst/stupidest way to go, whilst democracy is a definate non-starter, with those who cant even get on with their own, the only way i can see is troops from east @ west on the ground, not an easy but an only chance of stopping these people.

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Excuse me, but you're talking out of your arse (again). "Our Boys" adhere to the British Army code of conduct, Geneva conventions & the rules of engagement (for any specific combat role), they are not sent out to "Kill innocents around the world!" but to apply their expertise, dedication & training as directed by our government or consummate with our NATO commitments.

We do not wilfully attack civilians, behead, crucify, rape & murder captives, then post said atrocities on you tube to instil revulsion & terror throughout the "civilised world". Unlike those you appear to be defending, these actions required by us & our allies are brought about by necessity, not some warped desire for a one world death cult which brings nothing with it but subservience, denigration & hatred for all else.

You truly are a fool if you believe your own student debating society world view, you & other hand wringing, leftist appeasing apologists, bring nothing but further problems! Let's say you & your ilk get their way, when UK is under Sharia law & the Caliphate is running the country, whose going to protect your scrawny arses then from their degenerate purges & pogroms of "Kaffirs & infidels"?

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If "our boys" & don't forget the girls who now operate in combat zones, do not follow the rules of engagement and the Geneva Convention then they are prosecuted - by our judiciary. Do any terrorist organisation do the same?

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Why people are even conversing with this cretin is a source of amazement to me?:confused:

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Do not parallel him with our students, some of them are going to become Officers and leaders of men.

Yes, cretin IS a more accurate description, though I have met many cretins and they are all much more savvy than he will ever be.

Lets just call him special?

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how special exactly

its just that i have a special cup for my coffee that i dont want getting offended :)

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So here we go again, another European city shocked & stunned after the followers of the "Religion of Peace" share their magnanimity amongst an innocent populace!

What will it take before Governments start to quit appeasing & actually take decisive & brutal (if necessary) measures to effectively eliminate the risk to their people?

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This is exactly why the likes of Trump is gaining ground and the knobs are too dense to realize.:rolleyes:

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There is just too much pussyfooting around(don't want to offend these sensitive people....so sensitive that they can behead those who do not follow their brand of religion)...no decisive action by any of the politicians in Europe....well, that is apart from Frau Merkel inviting potential terrorists into the heart of her country....and into Europe.
Expect more events like this one. It is inevitable.

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Thats the trouble Margaret, yeh say summat the clowns call yeh racist,:rolleyes: Terrorists is the correct term fer em and these fools call em nicer things, they should be dealt with, with the compassion they display, simple as.

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Yes.....you are right. Especially about treating them with the compassion they show for others.
Haven't heard much in the way of condemnation from our own Muslim community either.
Mind you, I do not frequent social media so I could very well have missed it(!)

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No Ma, that's not decisive, it's destructive is what she's about! The other week-end there were regional elections in three Counties, of course the idiots (similar to the UKs dogmatic ignoramuses) who still voted for her, her party & their policies, but in general there was a ground swell towards the AfD (Alternative for Deutschland).

Now the press & the self loathing, white hating, whining leftists would have you believe the AfD, are all Nazi's & Fascists (now why does that sound familiar) hell bent on turning Germany back to the days of the "Reich".

Seems to be par for the course really, if you're concerned about your borders, state of the nation, unhindered immigration & the gradual erosion of your culture & history you're just a little "Apply nation of choice here". And should be shouted down & publicly flogged for even thinking such as it doesn't suit the lefts fluffy pink land of unicorns, genderlessness & equality!

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Well, it was decisive...it was also very poorly thought out and as such is most definitely destructive......but it was not done for humanitarian reasons as we would be coerced into believing. It was done so that she could look good on the world stage.......she doesn't look so crash hot right now....and still she is dumb enough not to admit she made a major error of judgement.
Any fool with half a brain and only one working neurone could see that this action would lead to trouble....but not her.

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Was with you all the way and ready to call for you to take control until your foolish addition of equality to the equation.
They don't want you or I or even the terrorists to be their equal, they, (whomsoever these idiots are), have no equals, they are above us all and will convince any inferior group (which is everyone) to fight amongst themselves just to prove it.

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It was also to top up Germanies population numbers (It's done that right enough! :(). Folk are getting older, retiring & costing the state large lumps of ackkers, so a new younger generation of workers was required & would you believe it? It just so happens there's all these young arab Doctors, Dentists, Engineers & a multitude of other skilled bodies just gagging to get the Germany to enrich the Country with the benefit of their skills!

Yeah right! From the "official figures" (fantasy figures more like)of 1.2 Million enrichers that have arrived at least 2 thirds of them aren't even basically literate, way to go Ange!

EU Migrant Crisis 2015: Germany Could Spend Billions On Refugee Care And Integration, Labor Minister Says

Forgot to add, that at some point they'll be running round shouting "Ich bin ein Berliner!! Ali Snackbar in shallots!" clutching a German (European) Passport .... and guess where they'll be turning up next?

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Yes, spot on Less.
Divide, instill fear and then you can rule in whatever way you want, to your hearts content.
a fearful population is easy to control.

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Well, if German officials are trained to the same standard as our officials, most likely they won't be literate enough to decide who is or isn't literate, so perhaps as many as three thirds of this 1.2 million aren't literate and with the risk of exaggeration maybe more than three thirds?

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Maybe the German calculations are based on the same formula that decreed the 95% of people in Hyndburn couldn't care less about the EU and anyway we are all far to dumb to understand what any of it means.....it was 95% wasn't it?...after all I want to be as accurate as I can.:)

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I would like to say you are 100% correct with your 95% but I live in Hyndburn so the by laws only allow me to say you are 95% correct, however I'm over 95% certain that you don't care anyway.

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aah Less...you know me too well.

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What about Brussels - where next - Oswaldtwistle _ I kid you not

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Here in New South Wales we have a 16yrs old girl who is on charges of sending monies to aid the ISIS , she cannot be named due to the fact that she is a minor. I agree with this but the law should be altered so that if she and any other person who commits an henious crime should be named, photographed and any other means that will identify them so that they are known to law abiding subjects.

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i think in cases where feelings towards somone accused could run deep names should be withheld until a guilty verdict is reached and if found innocent the press and media banned from ever naming them regarding what they were accused of as even an innocent verdict isnt enough for most people

once however a guilty verdict is reached then regardless of age they should be named

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Anyone following the news today? Remembrances in Mollenbeek 1 year on from the terrorist attacks & it appears one of "Alis Snack bar" retards has run down several innocents in his car & then taken a knife to several armed UK Coppers round parliament way! Coincidence, or malice aforethought?

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what ever it is Dave it is terrible. It seems no where is safe any more any where. It is very sad.

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I would suggest it is malice.

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Don't give them the publicity they want, poor soul lost his life protecting our freedom . I just touched down in Vegas to hear the news. I will light a candle and go church rather than partying tonight.

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Sky News slipped up earlier on - they showed the perp on a stretcher, nothing covering his face so probably not dead, but you could clearly see, heavy bearded, very short hair (shaved ?), very sun-tanned. The next time they showed that same scene his face had been pixellated out.

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It is the same with the online newspapers, face can be clearly seen.
At least the man was taken out...save us having to keep him in jail and stops him claiming human rights...I know that may sound callous but that is how I see it. This murderer has no human rights...to have human rights you have to be HUMAN...he was a coward of the lowest order.
ISIS have claimed it as their handiwork...well, they would wouldn't they?

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Here we go again,all you need is enough hate,next time it could be Accrington :eek:

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Am I not permitted to detest someone who murders and maims people going about their daily lives(some of them foreign nationals, tourists)?
What do you think the family of the deceased are feeling right now?
Do you applaud the actions of this murderer?
What is it in my post that is untrue.....? Perhaps you don't think this murderer should have been taken out, or perhaps you feel he was not a coward.
Yes, it could happen anywhere...even Accrington.

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Margaret,my comment wasn't referring to anything you have said in your comments.I am fully aware of,and respect,your opinion on this subject.

I also assume with have discussed these kind of attacks before hence "here we go again".

My thoughts are with those directly effected by today's attack.

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You didn't quite make your statement clear enough until challenged so hardly surprising you're taken to task lad. So to clear up, I've corrected your comment for you!

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Jason, if what you meant ' was here we go again' then it would have been simple to just say that.

As for hate...these people who perpetrate these acts ( where the people being attacked cannot defend themselves, because they are not aware that they are at war with these cowards) these people who profess to be a member of a devout, but supposedly peaceful faith, they hate us so much for our way of life. Then the door is open and they can leave for somewhere which is more acceptable to them.
They don't though, do they?

They prefer to stay and wreak havoc, bring death and destruction where ever they can. They are under a misapprehension that their crusade is to bring their faith to those they believe to be infidels. That, Jason, is you, me and all of our families.

They might have been born here, but yet they feel that we who have been here for generations, need to change to accommodate them and their practices.
They will not be happy until the country is under the rule of their twisted faith.

So it isn't me who is doing the hating, it is them.

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When I was reading the online newspaper reports of this atrocity last night, in the comments section there were messages of support from leaders of countries around the world.
In amongst these was a message of condemnation from some British Muslim organisation and one gloating comment from ISIS.
My logic tells me that there ARE many good muslims in the country but the words of the Muslim Organisation are just that...words. Ineffectual unless backed up by concrete action.

When the communities start handing in those who they feel are a risk to society(and muslims are part of society and are just as likely to be killed by one of their own who wishes to murder and maim us infidels...Their bombs and guns do not discriminate, they do not spare muslims) I will maybe, just maybe believe the words of condemnation that they issue.

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Can someone explain "WHY" successive governments have refused to do anything about these terrible incidents? they bleat out the same tired excuses, that there is over 3000 of these sympathizers in the U.K. so we aint got the resources or staff to watch them all!! well we all are aware of that, this latest fellow has been on the list for 13/14 years they say, Well i say WHY? are any of these people still in the country? they should have been evicted as soon as it was established they are sympathizers, I,m pretty certain decent Muslims would not object, only the sodding Do-Gooders would. I'm pretty sure action like that would reduce the chances of these happenings, if Government had the guts to really take action.

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Cashy, this man (who perpetrated this attack)was born here. Most of the terrorists that have been responsible for attacks in this country were also born here. So where do you evict them to?

Problems arose when the borders were opened to all comers(and we know who was responsible for that).
The border agency do not know who is here, whether they should be here, or for that matter where they are.
This is an abysmal state of affairs. No goverment has made any attempts to address these issues.

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Were the family originally came from. simple as. Thats the bottom line NO GOVERNMENT has attempted to address the issue, they would rather increase the peril to British People.

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The problem is, to effectively remove this curse, we and our government would have to react in a similar uncivilised manner as those that attack us, at what point do we say all ethnics are guilty?
The last guy that went down that road ended up shooting himself in a bunker, surely we know better than that?

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I get what you are saying, but you and I both know that there would be some legal challenges that would cost the country a fortune.(human rights issues - the right to a family life etc)
The people who live here need to accept our way of life and the freedom that was bought dearly with the blood of our grandfathers.
If they do not like it then the door to leave is open.
The people in this country are tolerant of all races and religions and these people should also show tolerance.
The Muslim faith is supposed to be peaceful and tolerant.
Not one which murders and maims in the name of God.

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Not just our grandfathers, their grandfathers also fought on our behalf to make this a country they can now live in with freedom.

Each attack by someone born here is also an attack on their own that sacrificed their lives to grant others the right to live here.

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Why Capital Punishment was abolished long ago, deporting the sympathizers to the place they originally came from is uncivilized? Do me a favour.:rolleyes: there is no point at all saying all ethinics are guilty, yer beginning to sound like a do gooder. go join the government less.

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Cashy..might be something worth asking when the candidates come around wanting you to vote for them.
Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer...you might get a lot of hot air and waffle, but would bet you won't get anything that resembles a workable solution.

Sometimes I wonder if the politicians have a revolution on their agenda....some kind of uprising that would absolve them from any blame for whatever happens.
Just a thought.

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I am hoping that our MP does some canvassing with his party opportunists who are seeking election to LCC and comes to my door. I am preparing a list of questions to ask them - both of local/CC and national import. Didn't get them around last time but the Tories came around, probably missing out just one address.

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Internment, if all those who'd been deemed a threat were placed in one place the effort of controlling & monitoring their actions could easily be achieved. The precedent for such action is quite clear to see from the not so distant past & as to family life, pile them into the same location too.

Preferably all this could be done on some remote uninhabited island off the coast somewhere, (not necessarily the UK coast either) a kind of "H Block by the sea". All relevant infrastructure & management could be supplied along with an armed supervisory/guard detachment to ensure smooth running. Then once the internee has proven their loyalty & acceptance of how normal people co-exist & behave, then & only then could they be considered for returning to our society.

And before the whiners start, this is how a country at war responds & if its escaped your feeble lefty notice, we are at war with extremists who wish to destroy our way of life right now!

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That would get my vote son.
The other thing is that while such attacks take place, other innocent muslims bear the brunt of aggression...and it is not their fault.
All I want to do is go about my daily life without having to worry that one of these extremists wants to maim me because I do not subscribe to their faith.
Goodness knows, there are muslims fighting against people of their own faith...but a different brand of it so to speak. So we who are seen as the infidels have little chance.
Anyway, I hope Adrian Elms (aka Khalid Masood amongst many of his aliases)is enjoying his eternal place next to Martin Mc Guinness in the hobs of hell.

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That would be a way Dave,slong as if they did that, they dont give em £1 million compo,like we did with those in Guantanamo.:rolleyes:

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St Kilda springs to mind, but don't know if we still have an Army/RAF post there as part of RA Range Hebrides - but that would be an ideal place, or even better Rockall. The problem with attempting to deport them is that the receiving country must be prepared to accept them.

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yep summat i realized Barrie,so if enough info is gained then stuff em on one of those islands, much easier to watch.

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The bloke wasn't Muslim he was a infedel a rouge crusader, feck nothing to do with Islamic beliefs he sought. Can't believe we are talking about this, there's bad in every religion and society, feck them all and stop giving them the airtime

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Dont matter what he was, religion wise, he was an evil scumbag murderer,dont talk about it if yeh dont wish to, sod off if others do.:rolleyes:

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He was a muslim convert, but with a past history of thuggery and violence.
In my eyes this makes him the worst kind of traitor.
I have no qualms with those who want to convert to whatever religion they feel suits them, but to convert and then perpetrate harm on innocent people is the lowest form of cowardice.
I am just glad he is no kin of mine.

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Apparently we do Barrie, plus the talk last year was about upgrading & improving the facilities. A few extra barracks type blocks shouldn't be to much of a stretch.

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What I can't understand, is, what has happened to the law of treason?
In my mind, if someone, born in England & christened(?) Adrian,,,,, decides to change their name to Khalid whatever, he should be totally on the radar of the authorities, & then perhaps be charged with treason, & punished accordingly... used to be the death penalty, but probably now a slap on the wrist, thanks to all the do-gooders & yuman rights specialists.

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The treason act has been amended many times over the years and I have a vague feeling it was repealed a few years ago.
Anyway in view of the fact that the death penalty has been abolished for a long time, it would mean a life sentence. We all know that a life sentence no longer means life.
So perhaps it is best that this murderer was dispatched with a bullet.(saves us an awful lot of money)

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Treason/High treason is still an offence but the penalty has been so diluted that it has no deterrent effect any more (mainly due to Blair & Labour).

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Thanks Dave, the radar unit was moved some time after I left and is now on Nth Uist, with very much reduced manning. They now have an FPS 111 which meant they could finally scrap the T88 & T89, which were ex-army Thunderbird Equipment. But obviously the RAF will still be parented by RA Range for accommodation and messing.