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Cameron uses the word swarm….and the PC ‘liberal luvvies’ go mad…:rolleyes:

How dehumanising, classing people as insects….:eek:

Talk about skewing the English language to suit an argument..

You can look up any dictionary you choose and you’ll find something akin to ‘a group of people moving in a mass’

But for those trying to score political points, you lose!... Joe Public is becoming more aware of your half baked nonsense…try coming up with a solution instead of tripping people up on a word.

For crying out loud….the best solution the labour nuggets are currently coming up with is asking the frogs for compensation…. (yeah right..that’s gonna happen)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSo0duY7-9s

Oh yeah and look at these swarming cockroaches..

Swarming humans | How It Works Magazine

It’s a valid descriptive word in the circumstances, nothing hidden or demeaning….end of!

It really does show how clueless the Labour party is, that it jumps on ‘silly season’ red top rag journalism in an effort to make political headway….Hey Harriet..major screw up..AGAIN!

(God help me I’m defending a Tory…..and I thought the only time I’d turn blue was on my deathbed from lack of air :help:)

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G you have got it spot on. Just to be absolutely certain and confirm my initial thoughts I had looked up the definition in both the Oxford and the Merril-Webster. His description as a swarm is perfectly correct.

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I wouldn't pish on Cameron if he was burning, but theres sod all wrong wi his description, its P.C. gone completely mad. these people are 100% *******.

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Let the "swarm" in,what's a few hundred more on top of what we let in legally?
Besides,we have played a active role in messing up some of these folks counties. :hidewall:

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And if we do that more will come.
Do you want them living next door to you?
Do you want your taxes to be increased in order to pay for their families to come here?
Do you then want to be open to terrorism.....because many of these are Muslims who can be radicalised by the thugs currently taking over Syria.
You reall do not have any idea what you are saying.
These ILLEGAL migrants are from tribal countries with tribal values and cultures....if you want to live among these people then Jason, I suggest you pack your bags and go to Somalia, Eritrea, Syria......and see how you fare.

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This issue is more to do wi common sense than anything, yet some people are sadly lacking in that department.:rolleyes:

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There are no easy answers,the ball is already rolling and 'there will be tears before bedtime'.
I can foresee a huge backlash from us (British) folk who are (understandably) cheesed off with having to work to make ends meat while the government is giving free handouts to these folk who are less fortunate than ourselves....is control the key? Hmmm,I guess so.

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Aye well, when you pish all over the whining, whingeing, pc apologists bommy of course they're going to get their knickers in a twist, it's what they do, the sorry excuses for human beings that they are, due to them being professional serial ofendees!

The fact that what they're being offended about is down to them & their perceptions of "Right & proper" despite all evidence to the contrary doesn't come into the equation & is conveniently ignored.

It's time UK had a cull (there's another word that'll have 'em apoplectic & hopping up & down with incandescent faux outrage) of these irritating liberal leftist morons.

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Oh deary me, symptoms of WLA'o syndrome, sadly a recurring contagion inflicting the UK today, no wonder the Country's gone to the Dogs!

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No we haven't messed up the countries of these people....our taxes have long gone to deliver foreign aid to many of the countries of origin of these ILLEGAL migrants....and are still going to these countries. That these funds do not reach the people they are intended for is not the fault of the British people.

However there are some answers...unpalatable to the loony liberal hand wringing bleeding heart PC apologists.
1) Hauliers should boycott Calais and use other channel ports. Dieppe, Cherbourg, Dunkirk.
2) Close the Eurotunnel untill the security is water tight.
3) electrify all fences.
4) all ILLEGAL migrants that do reach the UK should be loaded onto a bus(or buses) and taken back across the channel......they should not be housed in hotels, given clothes and spending money at our expense.

Another line would be to site gunboats off the coasts of the countries that ILLEGAL migrants are making for....escort then back to the port of departure and then sink these boats.
Seek out the criminals who are trafficking these people, confiscate their assets and fling them into prison.

There has to be some form of regulation of people coming into the country......there has to be documentation, there has to be border control.

The people from these camps want to come here because they see the UK as being a soft touch...they know that they will get health care, education, housing and money.......and the mugs who will be paying for this are.....you and me.
It has to be stopped.

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I sense folk aren't in favor of the UK 'pulling its weight' and trying and help these folk more?
Surely,given that our Govt is one of the main causes of the problem in the first place, it's only right it does it's fair share in looking after these fellow beings...perhaps we should concentrate our efforts on stopping the 'swarm' of Bullingdon boys from infesting Parliament and creating :ooh:

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You don't think we pull our weight?
What do you think the 12billion foreign aid contribution is then?
Explain why you think our government is to blame.
Jason sometimes you talk a whole lot of twaddle.

These people did not sail from the Yemen, or Somalia, or Eritrea to our shores...had they done this then it would be our responsibility to take them in and house them.
They landed on the shores of other EU countries.......where they could easily have asked for migrant/asylum status.
They didn't do that. They chose to travel through several countries...sometimes assisted by the police of that country....until they got to France.......and France is more than happy to let them come across the channel to the UK....it removes from them the need to do anything at all about these economic ILLEGAL migrants. France doesn't want them....but you feel it is alright for us to take them....and to infer that by not doing so we are shirking our responsibilities.
We are NOT......we have NO responsibility to them.

I will repeat my analogy.
You are sat eating your Sunday Roast.....a family of Yemeni people arrive...make themselves comfortable in your lounge, eat the food that you worked for. sit watching the TV that you have paid for.
Use the house that you worked hard to provide for your family.
And you think this is right?

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As for the swarm of Bullingdon boys in Parliament...you have a democratic right to vote to change this.

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Graphics: Europe's asylum seekers - BBC News

Do I think halfway down the chart constitutes the UK as 'pulling its weight'? Hmmm.
You say France etc doesn't want these folk but if the "graphics" in the above article are accurate they take more than the UK so to claim that the UK is the only place these folk swarm to because they get free money,free houses, a chauffeur driven car and a butler is "twaddle" :p

Perhaps,our govt is partly to blame through bombing and invading these folks countries...usually turning them from quite stable societies into unstable versions that decent folk (quite rightly) want to flee or perhaps their to blame from relaxing border controls for other immigrants.

Please put my curiosity at rest and tell me your not going on the Northwest infidels demo :hidewall:

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Sense n you dont belong in the same sentence.:rolleyes:

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The graph and the information from the totally unbiased(I don't think so) BBC, means absolutely nothing Jason.
We are NOT, repeat NOT responsible for any of them....unless they turn up in a boat off the south coast....or any other coast of these islands.....having travelled from a port in the country of origin.
They are the responsibility of the country where the FIRST landfall was made.
Except they do not WANT to stay in any of those countries.
They PREFER to travel to the UK.....which is seen as the soft touch of the EU.

That is the problem....the fact that these people think that we should dip our hands in our pockets and support them and their dependants.

As for your question, I am going to treat that with the contempt it deserves.
You asking me that infers that I am racist.(and I am offended that you would even consider to ask me such a thing)
I am not.

If these people had attempted to come here using the correct methods, I would be defending their rights in a similar way to the way I am now saying that they should not be here.
I am for a just and equitable defence of our borders.

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Firstly,I'm sorry if I offended you M (my dry/juvenile humour isn't for everyone).

Now,let's say UK/France said tomorrow that the border is Dover....would you be more incline for letting them into the uk and paying for them...Just because the powers that be say the border has moved?

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Are you totally stupid? i am beginning to wonder, They shouldn't even be in France, they should be dealt wi were they landed.

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No, absolutely not.
They did not make landfall in France.
What is that you do not understand about the rules for asylum seekers(and many of these are not asylum seekers in the true sense of the word....they are economic migrants.....out to make a better life for themselves).
I am not against those who wish to better themselves.....I applaud them......as long as their application for migrant status is processed from their country of origin in the correct way.

If they decide that they do not want to do this...follow the rules, then it leads me to believe that they will not abide by other rules which the rest of us must live by, when they get into this country.
There have to be regulations with regard to border control.
Many of the countries on the BBC graph are larger than the UK anyway......but you can forget that....these illegal immigrants do not WANT to go these other countries because they feel they will be better catered for by the benefits system here
The other thing about that graph is that these are applications for asylum made in the correct manner.....not just riding rough shod over the rules.

I am never sure if you truly believe what you post or whether you post theses things to be provocative and contentious.
And it isn't humorous to infer that I am racist because I hold these views.....it wasn't dry juvenile humour, it was just offensive.

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Margaret i honestly think hes just a wind up merchant, which is why i respond to him like i do.

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Well,looks like I'm the only one who thinks folk shouldn't be given labels like ‘illegal’ just because they have fallen foul to geographical birth locations and a brutal,repressive system of control...we're very tolerant as long as you follow our rules....if not,you can sod off back were they came from...hmmm.

...In a bid to stop any further offensive "twaddle" I'll keep stump.

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I know Cashy, I understand your reasoning.
Jason sometimes says one thing and then backtracks to say totally the opposite.

In my working life I worked alongside many Doctors and Nurses from other countries, other creeds and cultures. I worked alongside them equitably because we were all working for the same aim....Likewise I looked after women from all backgrounds and cultures, so to suggest that my views are borne out of racism could not be further from the mark.
My views have been formed by realistic ideals......and information taken from many sources.

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They are NOT illegal for purely geographic reasons, economic migrants should make applications for UK migrant status in their country of origin.
Asylum seekers are different.....they must apply for asylum status at the first landfall.
They cannot just rock up, land on our doorstep and expect to be welcomed to dip their bread in our gravy......be given a roof over their heads, clothes for their backs and food for their bellies......those things are the responsibility of the country in which they landed.
Most countries operate border control of some nature.....Australia does it best from my experience.
Emotions cannot get in the way of security.
Keeping schtum might be a good idea.

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Shtum it is ;)

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Sorry to disagree, but PCism has not gone "completely mad"; it started out that way.;)

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Fair point eric.;) though it does seem theres more of these idiots than there ever was?

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Idiots meet idiots and breed idiots.
This does not refer to anyone in particular.......before anyone accuses me of throwing brickbats.

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Upon opening & seeing BBC ..........

All the better, because anything coming through that tunnel that had no right to come through would be sent straight back down, train or no.

Wrong again, they're illegal because they have broken numerous rules & committed various crimes by coming so far without using the correct channels.

It appears your WLA'o syndrome is getting to a critical state, either that or you're living under a rickety bridge eating billy goats! :rolleyes:

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I accuse yeh of the crime of telling the truth.;)

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I plead guilty on that charge...mea culpa

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Even the immigrants have had enough of them :eek:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3E-GbLOQmWQ

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I think just the same as you on this particular character Cashy - in my opinion he is just a troll - quite clever at times, in a twisted way, but a troll whichever way you look at it.

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Are you flirting with me Barrie,could you elaborate "troll"?
Is a troll anyone who has a difference of opinion on Accyweb,a mythical creature perhaps? or is "troll" shorthand for mischievous squire who post provocative comments on a public forum and tries to use his anonymity as a shield?

It's my own fault,I post comments like I'm down the local sat chatting to friends when the inteeweb obviously isn't the place for such loose lipped gibberish.
My comments have been likened to graffiti on the walls of Accyweb so perhaps the mods could introduce a Accyweb picks section where comments from the clique automatically gets shown first that way you wouldn't have to trawl through my brain farts.....trolololol :bootyshak:bootyshak:bootyshak

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Ah… right…..so dredging up a 2 year old youtube about the influx of Bulgarians is somehow relevant to the word ‘swarm’ or the attempts of economic migrants to flout the law of this land???

And didn’t you attempt to paint someone as a racist earlier in this thread? Yet you think it’s just fine to post this particular video with the comment ‘even the immigrants’ because there are a few black faces and foreign accents from the participants….which to me is far more racist than arguing that anyone coming into this country should follow the rules.

No doubt you will claim it’s just your infantile humour :rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Infantile humour,poor attempt at satire,call it what you will G,I've already posted my opinions about the topic in hand and I can assure you I'm not a racist...also there was nothing malicious meant by my comment to M.

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Hey guys.....apparently AccyEx is in the chair

Pints of 12% proof incoherency for all and sundry..

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Well to my knowledge no-one has met or knows Guinness? so he cannot be accused of being in the clique, yet he thinks the same.:D

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Ah! The Clique......
I have been here since October 2004 and I have never been asked to join this elusive, exclusive group.
I feel quite left out.
I wonder if it like joining the Masons?

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Someone's been rather mischievous or exceptionally lax. The Berlin "Tagesspiegel" had the front page banner "Flüchtlingskrise wird Chefsache" (refugee crisis to be dealt with by the boss), all well & good you may think, but the unfortunate/mischievous thing about it is that on the same front page they had a still from the new film "Er ist wieder da"(He's back) a satirical film about about Adolf who'd been kipping in his bunker for 66 years & wakes up to modern day multiculti Berlin. My how we giggled. ;)

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Jeremy Corbyn's reaction to Cameron's comments.

"The anti-foreigner rhetoric and vocabulary being used by the Prime Minister must be challenged head-on."

So, I assume Corbyn is a "PC liberal lefty luvvie"?

Just asking.

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seems like it

dosnt seem to show any gratitude either

hes a big fan of pothole covers from what iv read and heard yet despite our MP saving countless pothole covers lives our MP is no longer worthy of been in his clique :eek:

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Well cameron says he will build 200.000 houses by 2020, that must be to make up some of what his god "Maggie" sold off?" wonder why the media aint mentioned that fact.:rolleyes:

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The press have mentioned it on a number of occasions:

David Cameron aims to woo voters with plan for 200,000 discounted homes | Society | The Guardian

As for Jeremy Corbyn's quote, it's just that - a quote. It's not a quote that's been distorted or where one word's been taken out of context, it's what he actually said.

Here's another quote taken from his own website:

"Thank you to the Foreign Secretary for giving way. On the subject of refugees, he’s obviously as aware as everyone else is of the massive flow of migrants across the Mediterranean, many of whom thousands have already died also those in the Andaman Sea and elsewhere. There is a global phenomenon of victims of war, poverty and oppression fleeing in desperate circumstances. Does the government have a strategy of supporting refugees, of supporting saving life at sea, rather than repelling people seeking a place of safety?"

So why is Accyexplorer a "do-gooder PC lefty liberal" for saying similar things, yet Jeremy Corbyn isn't?

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I was referring to mentioning the houses bitchy poo sold off.

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I think people are well aware of Thatcher's great council house sell-off...and the irony of Cameron now embarking on a building scheme to replace them.

As for Corbyn, yes, he's suffered from the press distorting his views. That's why I only ever use his actual quotes or material from his own website.

Quotes like: "The anti-foreigner rhetoric and vocabulary being used by the Prime Minister must be challenged head-on."

As a bit of a Guardian-reading liberal myself, I've no problem with that, however, if Accyexplorer had said those exact same words on here, he would be on the receiving end of all sorts of abuse for being a "left wing liberal bleeding heart do-gooder" etc.

Yet there's almost total silence about Jeremy Corbyn having the same attitudes. Go figure.

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Many people are basically stupid, as believing eastenders @ corry demonstrates, short memories, plus many who weren't even born then.

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OK, take your point on that one, but the examples I've given on Jeremy Corbyn are't press distortion, it's his own quotes (one from his own website).

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Aye mate but i take the view the young are more likely to vote Corbyn, than owd gits what are sick to the back teeth of all of em. which is why i say yeh just never know.;)

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Is Corbyn a ‘lefty’…yup…and so am I.

Does Corbyn want to ‘do good’..yup…so do I.

Is he PC..erm…nope…otherwise he wouldn’t be getting the stick he is by the PC media.

I see no evidence that he will open the ‘floodgates’ and allow everyone and his brother into the country…. He’s simply saying we should have a strategy in place for those ‘victims of war, poverty and oppression’..e.g offer shelter and support until it’s safe for them to go back. Isn’t that what you would want for yourself if you had to leave this country if it became war torn? ( I see no mention of ‘economic migrants’ who want to come here because the benefit state pays them a fortune..which incidentally it doesn’t)

‘Saving life at sea’ could mean stopping human trafficking at source.

But hey….twist the words any which way you want, but using the biggest wind up merchant on the forum as an example does zero to add credibility to your argument.

And on ‘undistorted quotes’ would you like me to post some from Cameron, Thatcher, Graham Jones or Ken Moss…

You have an obvious downer on Corbyn……give me an alternative mainstream viewpoint that can’t be ripped to pieces

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OK, so Cameron uses the word "swarm" and "the PC 'liberal luvvies' go mad" according to you.

Corbyn responds like this, "The anti-foreigner rhetoric and vocabulary being used by the Prime Minister must be challenged head-on." perhaps not exactly going mad, but not too happy at the use of the word "swarm" either. But apparently he's not PC. OK, I'll take your word on that one.

As for the rest of your views on the immigrant/refugee crisis, I agree wholeheartedly with you (although I expect a majority of Accywebbers wouldn't). That's why I said I've no problem with his musings on the subject. I'm a Guardian-reading liberal remember? I'm just making a wry comment on the similarlities between Accyexplorer's and Jeremy's stance.

As for an alternative, I don't have one, but I'm far from convinced of Corbyn's electoral appeal to the British public (although Cashy is doing his best to convince me otherwise, believe me!) and the idea of ten more years of the Tories gives me nightmares. I'm hoping that Corbyn's success concentrates minds in the Labour party, prompting another leadership election sometime in the next five years and the success of a leader who combines honesty with electablity. Corbyn may possess the first quality, but I don't reckon he has the second.

Incidentally, if you think Accyexplorer's "the biggest wind-up merchant on the forum" you ought to come along one day and see Mr Cashman in action on the Clayton End! ;)

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Yes Wynn, Corbyn is a left wing liberal, bleeding heart whiner! Happy now? Someone's called him & he's now officially up there with Accy-explorer in the world of AccyWeb. ;)

The thing about Corbyn & our very own Accy-explorer is that they both have opinions, (as do we all) but the circles they move in are worlds apart. In our world we can readily respond & interact with one another, but in the world of the politico, pretty much what Joe & Josephina public says or does has virtually no relevance to them whatsoever, that is until there's an election or similar coming up.

The truth of that can be seen within these very pages, how many politicoes or their mouthpieces have a presence on this site? Yet our day to day opinions & wranglings are of no interest to these "Elite"? that is until they're wanting something, then you can't get shut of 'em, they're there, feeling your pain & sharing your grievances, then the vote's done the dusts settled & there's neither hide nor hair of them. Tucked away in their little lairs until their next time of want.

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Listen, Dave, I'll have nowt said against Jezza, as something just occurred to me yesterday. On the day his elevation to the Labour Party leadership was announced, Stanley won away at Bristol Rovers and have since gone on their best winning run (apart from one minor hiccup) since 1956. Our lucky mascot? I like to think so.

Viva Corbyn! Onwards to Jeremy at No 10 and League One football! :mosher:

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Be careful what you wish for.....it might not turn out quite how you would hope.
You might get Corbyn as Stanley manager. And Stanley manager as PM :)

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Corbyn at the Crown and Coley in No 10.. now that IS a frightening thought! ;)

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Coley for PM, a cantankerous Scouser in nr.10 ......... :D

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Wyn, can you actually name a leading politician, past or present who fits the description "honest and electable"?

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If he can, hes a better man than me. though initially Blair did give that impression.

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Answers on the back of a postage stamp, then send to the Guinness book of records for posterity. ;)

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Well, I was thinking Alan Johnson, but I'm sure Accywebbers will be only too pleased to tell me plenty of reasons why he isn't! :D

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Ken Hargreaves?

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I thought him, but was hardly a "Leading Un"?

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Yes, and I doubt very much if we will see his like again.
Now, the politicians are more interested in what they can do for themselves rather than what they can do for the electorate.....how they can make enough to live a life that the rest of us can only dream about.

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I always thought John Smith seemed sincere, but then again I used to think Nick Clegg was too. Power corrupts, absolute power etc etc.

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Well I'll be damned if he hasn't done it again! Call me Dave, has once again gone an upset the whiney, hand wringing, British hating, leftist libtards! And how? By using that odious, extremist, obnoxious term "Bunch"!

Yep, the usual suspects of the faux outraged are up on their hind legs once more, yowling & baying, demanding apologies & recompense for the outrageous statement "Bunch of migrants" along with other comments but that one was the kicker right enough!

Like there isn't enough serious problems facing the Country, the tedious cretins of the "opposition" have to get arsey about this! Quite surprised the biggest racist of the lot hasn't had her tuppence worth, mind you, she was probably off somewhere slagging down white males.

PMQs - Labour demand Cameron apology after PM calls Calais refugees 'a bunch of migrants' | Politics | News | Daily Express

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It is time that Jeremy Corbyn and his 'bunch' realise that we have enough people in this country who need help and support before we go trying to rescue others. We are full here.
Charity begins at home.
Why do the Middle Eastern Muslim countries not shove their hands in their pockets and accommodate these people?

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I think it's time he was ambitious and used a phrase similar to a boat full of illegal turds.

Not that I would use a phrase such as a boat load of turds, I just think a turd is a turd and if we have a boatload of them that is what they should be called.

The images of the French illegals comes to mind, they supposedly where protesting against unhealthy conditions etc, me, I saw loads of folk at the seaside enjoying themselves.

If they are that healthy as to run around a port they should stay in France it's obviously good for them.

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Hey now hang on, if they did offer, the boat load of turds would still prefer to come here.

Why? Because nobody would ever call them a boat load of turds and they would be FREE to ****e on the Country that takes them in.

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yes, you are right.
Look at the furore created by immigrants having to wear wristbands in their accommodation so that the staff could identify genuine claimants and feed them.
No-one is shooting at them or bombing them...just making sure they can be identified.
If they don't want these to show when they are out and about then wear long sleeves...it isn't warm enough for T shirts anyway.
At some point this system must have been subject to abuse for this to be adopted.
Many of those in Calais are not refugees, but economic migrants. A refugee would take refuge in the first non hostile country they reached. They would not trek thousands of miles just so that they could come here...and as I have said...Why don't the Rich Saudis take some of their muslim brothers?
Thier culture is similar, the religion is the same.

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Whoa hang on, 30 odd years ago four friends of mine were made redundant 3 got jobs in Saudi the fourth was faced with the dole, I asked him, could you not have got a job in Saudi?
His reply was, hell less I'm a black man, the Saudis treat the whites like sh'ite what chance would I have?
I'm staying where I was born and can be safe.

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Less, these are not black men.....they are muslims, the same colour, the same creed as Saudis.
The arabian countries are dragging their feet...doing sod all about their own brothers...while expecting the bleeding heart liberals in Europe to give these people homes, jobs, health care and school their children.
All the while they are in Europe...are they obeying the law?
If they come here they do not want to adapt to our way of life....they want to try to get us to adapt to their seventh century laws and rules.
Do you think that would happen if you or I went to Saudi...or any other muslim country(not that I would)?

If we air these views we are called racist, thereby any healthy open debate about what is going on is stifled....but we all know we are thinking the same things...even those who do not voice them

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BBC1 are showing a documentary just now. Children Saved From The Nazi: A Hero's Story. Recommended viewing for you Hateful 8 ....I know there's currently only 4 of you but another 4 will be along pretty soon I am sure. Get it on iPlayer or catch- up.
Oh yes and I'll post the Huff Post link tomorrow to Peter Capaldi's YouTube video. To quote HP's Eve Hartley " Actor and philanthropist Peter Capaldi has recorded a powerful but simple message in support of refugees after a visit to a camp in Jordan with the UNHCR.

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That has to be one of the most horrendous comments ever made. Shame on you.

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71 years ago today, on the 27th January, the prisoners who had survived the horror of Auschwitz were freed - think on - has progress been made?

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Whatever your views on the Calais situation, there's no excuse for that sort of hateful bile. Pathetic.

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Intriguing comment DtP47, would you care to name & elaborate or as is so typical of lefty types, will just shouting down those with opposing views as racists & nazis suffice to stifle a debate/argument in your book?

I await an interesting & "balanced" counter from such an educated chap.

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Some folk just don't get it.
We have problems looking after our own people in this country...yet there are t hose who would take in all the worlds problems.
There is no way of checking that these are refugees from crisis torn parts of the world. Many of these people have destroyed their documents so that their country of origin cannot be determined.......others have travelled on false documents.

Are we happy to take people who could be members of ISIS....who would like to wreak havoc in our towns and then post videos and gloat over our distress??

If they were genuine refugees then they would settle in the first safe haven they landed on...but they don't, they are drawn to the UK because of its soft treatment.

Do we really want to import the violence that can be clearly seen in Calais, the lawlessness. If these people are not going to follow the laws in France what makes us think they will abide by the rules in the UK...they don't...they cite their staus .

I do not align myself with the comments made by retlaw, but I DO have concerns about the numbers of these people we are being asked to help......we should be helping our own homeless people before taking in the foreign homeless.

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I wouldn't go that far "Dave" after all i went the same school.:D

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Here's the Huff' Post piece with the youtube link.

Peter Capaldi Uses Jordan Camp Visit To Remind Us All Of The One Thing Syrian Refugees Want - To Go Home

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Steady on Mr C
4 years on Union Road counted for nowt' 43 years in the Univerity of Life wot did it matey.:)
You are still playing catch up. ;)

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Interestingly i just seen on the news,Sweden are deporting 50.000 illegal migrants oer the next 2 yrs, the public who having been yon,i certainly dont look on as hateful, are up in arms about the 2 yr its gonna take, seeing how its costing the taxpayer fer em. it seems to me 50.000 is hell of a lot of people who shouldn't even be there, and this is without any syrian,afghan. or Iraqis, of which no doubt some of those will be yon with bad intentions, as well as those who are genuine, yet it seems to me the do-gooders are much too dense to grasp this fact.:rolleyes:

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11) Remember, 'free speech' means that any form of bigotry, racism and misogyny is perfectly OK.
Stellings Rule 11/25

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So.... DtheP47 you consider me to be one of the hateful four?
Just because I have an opinion which differs from yours, I am saying what a lot of people are thinking.
My self esteem does not depend on your judgement of me.
I am a realist.
I see the problems that bringing these people into our country will cause( they are evident in the countries that these people are already resident in.
I am at the bum end of my life, but I despair of how this country is at present.....and the legacy which is being left for future generations.

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As for these self serving celebs who come on our screens and pontificate about what we should be doing.....well, this is not anything to do with their humanitarian ethics. It is more about raising their own profile than that of people in the camps.
If these people were to be allowed free let into this country do you really think it would affect the celebs?
They have private schools to send their children to...they have Harley street doctors to minister to them when they are ill.....not for them a wait on a housing list that lengthens because house are allocated to an asylum seeker or a refugee ahead of them.

When I see one of these celebs buying up accommodation and housing these refugees.....paying for the health care and education of the children......only then might I take advice from them.
Those in the Ivory towers are far removed from the dung heap of life that is the lot of many of the folk who were born here have to put up with.

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Yup Margaret your self esteem is dependent on your judgement of you. Yes indeedy.

Circle the Wagons.
You are welcome to your xenophobia Margaret, you and all the other prejudiced naysayers with your dystopian prophesies and your not so very thinly veiled ways of sayin' “ I don’t want them in my backyard”

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I will say loud n clear i do not want isis or any terrorists in my backyard, there is no check whatsoever on who is or who aint,, if that sits well wi you DtheP it dont wi me. simple fact is yeh only need 1 of these evil gits to commit carnage.

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This whole "load of immigrants" controversy came about when Corbyn was asking Cameron some awkward questions about the tax deal with Google, which apparently amounts to a pathetic 3% - a marked contrast to Italy where the government have extracted 15% from Google. Cameron used the phrase deliberately, as he knew it would deflect from the question he was being asked and, hey presto, it worked!

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Yes, you are right Steve,
It was a definite diversionary tactic.

Parliament is like the baby house, it really is.

But, in the past, governments of all colours and persuasions have known about the tax anomalies...loopholes which were favouring the big multinational companies and NONE of them did diddly squat about it.
HMRC are a shameless waste of space...they prefer to chase pensioners for a few hundred quid that was underpaid due to the incompetence of HMRC...after all when you are on PAYE you expect their calculations to be correct.

Now it is time to see if the current government can do more about extracting the appropriate amount of tax from some of these companies that seem to be teflon coated....I won't hold my breath though.

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Load of immigrants now seems innocuous when compared with calling them boat load of turds, vermin and the suggestion they be driven to the gates of Auschwitz.

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To be honest mate, i dont reckon for 1 min Camerons remark made the remotest difference to what people think about this refugee farce, it certainly didn't to me, people have been really bugged about how n whats happening,long before Camerons remarks.

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I'm with you completely on this ... and to make such a comment on Holocaust Memorial Day ... And what if Auschwitz were fired up again? Would they still have the "women, children, and elderly first" policy?" Maybe the problem wouldn't be as bad if Europe were still a collection of sovereign states instead of whatever geopolitical mess it has become.

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I am quite comfortable in my judgement of myself....and do not need any assurances from you at all.
I am far from being xenophobic. I am just being realistic.
When it comes to providing for people we should be doing this for our own people first.
What we cannot provide for own homeless, we should not be offering to the homeless of another country.

And as far as your comment 'Not in my Backyard' being thinly veiled...it isn't veiled at all. That is exactly what I am saying...and for the reasons I have outlined fully in other posts........but just for you I will reiterate.
Housing(lack of)Schools(places, lack of), health care(already stretched to limits)...the general infrastructure of the country(poor roads, transport etc)...plus the fact that these people...refugees, asylum seekers,migrants...whatever you want to call them do not wish to integrate here...do not want to follow our laws.....would have us tailor OUR lives to their needs, their rules....it is happening right now in other countries...open your eyes and see.

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OH yes, and calling me xenophobic is like attaching the label racist...aimed at stifling healthy debate(in fact, any debate at all) about something which will affect the lives of all of us.

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Eric you are right about it being a geopolitical mess.

The open borders of the EU are at fault, but also the political leaders hoping to gain Kudos from inviting those fleeing from their own countries have a lot to answer for.

These invitations have meant that people from all over the middle east and beyond, can gain access to Europe.....it has allowed the possibility of those who would wish us harm to gain access to their target...just by destroying the evidence of who they are and where they hail from.

Yet to say this out loud is to be condemned as a Xenophobe.

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What it did do is deflect attention from the fact that Cameron and Osborne have yet again let the big multi-national companies off the hook on tax. This is what Corbyn was trying to highlight - wouldn't it be great if us ordinary folk had a 3 per cent tax rate? But we have to pay full whack and watch the NHS and other vital services being decimated by the Tories.

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If all of these multinational companies paid what they REALLYowed then we would be able to ensure t hat the NHS had everything it needed, the cuts to services would not be necessary...and the infrastructure of the Uk could be made suitable for use.
It isn't just this government at fault...although it is the only government which can actively do something right now...but previous governments have allowed large companies to get away with avoiding tax at the rate we pay.....this is not the fault of the companies(they have done nothing illegal - but they have been immoral), but the fault of the governments...both past and present.

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Yep, Cameron used that one too. Blame Blair, blame Brown, blame anyone but me. But as you say, "it's the only government that can do something right now." But they're NOT doing anything right now, except letting these companies off the hook then using smokescreen tactics to divert our attention from it.

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I don't think they are doing such a good job of diverting our attention from these failings.
My attention is not diverted(yours neither by the sound of it)...nor is it diverted from the abysmal attempts to try to make us believe that great efforts are being made with reference to renegotiating our deal with the EU.
There is precious little being done about lots of important things.
I might be considered a doddery old bird, but my mind is as sharp as ever it was.

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Ah, so yet another celebrity extolling the virtues of the refugees & sermonizing as to why we should be more accepting. How many other "enlightened luminaries" have been bumping their gums as to what we should do & what they intend to do (but as far as I can see not much happening with that particular puppy though, Geldof, Thompson, Cumberbatch, Colymore & Sturgeon to name a few ....... mouth & trousers comes to mind")

Credit at least to Capaldi as he was over there in JORDAN, a refugee camp close to their home I can understand, but as to enclaves of vice, villainy & thuggery in mainland Europe is beyond my comprehension & ken, especially the squalid nests on the French coast.

Nice try fella, but it doesn't cut it for me ..... 6/10 needs improvement.

Unbelievable & woeful, if the "Honourable opposition ????", can't focus long enough upon a single topic without being so readily distracted by such simplistic tactics that they instantaneously respond by frothing & foaming like rabid Pavlovian conditioned canines ......... What hope that these misfits could sort a major issue for their electorate?

Here boy! Good girl! Wanna stick? Where's your ball? Good mannimal ...... Fetch!

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Yes Michael, got to wonder where our myopic mods are on this?
I for one however don't want the sad sacks posts deleted, yes I know it's a child friendly forum (it does say that somewhere on here) but leave them on here for all to see.