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Not looking good from 'Exit polls'

Hopefully people lie when asked who they voted for on way out!

Gonna stop up for a while, & hopefully find the polls are wrong again!!

Don't want to wake up in the morning & find they are almost correct!

Corbyn (or Corbett as has been called today), will be an absolute disaster for this country, along with his sidekicks Abbot & McDonnell.

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Don't forget 2015 exit poll called Tories at 316 seats (compared with 314 tonight) but they ended up with 331.

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Sincerely hope you're right mate....

From previous posts, I gather that you are about 50yrs younger than me....

So, have you not been taken in by Corbett's promises of everything free for your generation?

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No because I've seen the truth, he doesn't plan free tuition he's already so as he only plans to cap it to £6000, i did want to vote UKIP but for some reason my local representative was not on the voting form, asked for another form and again the UKIP rep wasn't on any Of the forms, afew of my mates from different areas have had the same problem, I complained about this and got told if I don't like it don't vote so I had to pick Tory

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Only 30,000 people asked in the exit poll, 60% of them were under 25

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Exit poll results may not be as accurate as shown. Labour holds are not as big as predicted. UKIP voters voting Conservative

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Good point, thanks,

Broadcasters don't highlight this fact

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heres hyndburns results ...

Full Hyndburn results

Labour: 24,120

Conservatives: 18,305

UKIP: 1,953

Lib Dems: 824

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Those who doubte that Corbyn would get his , message across are ignoring the impact of Sanders in the US. It's about 10:30 pip emma here, and CBCis posting results as they come in; Hyndburn stays Labour, and some safe Tory seats are really close. And while you guys are clutching at straws, the results for the Tories could be worse than predicted. Whatever ... May blew it. It's refreshing to see rank political opportunism get a good punce in the ass.

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Well. This hasnt worked out well.

Labour bought votes with with monopoly money. Promised everything to students and others, but as they would never get in dont have to pay up.

DUP will make it work.

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Looks very much to me, that Corbyn promised many things that COULD NOT,be afforded, knowing full well he was not going to be elected, many young people registered and naively voted Labour, and foolishly have wrecked the country for themselves, Well yeh reap what yeh sow.:rolleyes:

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Latest reading it's hung, only an alliance with DUP can give the tories a majority & the rumours doing the rounds that many tory mp's will not back May so possibly another leadership change.

Election 2017: Tory politicians WITHDRAW support for Theresa May | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

I didn't really trust Maybe, she was making all the right noises but no action & as to alienating the pensioners & those against the hunt were guaranteed vote losers ...... Not really beneficial to the Brexit cause or the stability of the UK for that matter.

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At the end of the day TM's not an elected prime minister, hell she's not even an elected leader of her own party - she's only there by default, she gambled & it's backfired big time - well done Theresa, good job :rolleyes:

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Well, what a disappointment.
I feel sure that JCJunker and his crew are rubbing their hands in glee right now.
The electorate of this country have weakened the position for negotiation of a deal.
A hung Parliament is a bad situation when we are going into fiery negotiations.

There are no crumbs of comfort this morning.

Even GJ got re-elected.
The folk around here must have spit for brains.
He has done nothing for us, will do nothing for us and it seems his 95% jibe was close to the mark.

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So you voted for may then? lol

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And THAT was precisely WHY she went to an election.

She was told those things many times and it left her feeling she had no choice but go to election to get the support of the people.
They have not backed her and it leaves us weaker in terms of negotiation in Europe, in terms of security and in terms of borders.
A hung parliament is not a good thing so close to the date when negotiations on Brexit start.

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A hung parliament isn't a good thing, full stop Margaret - not unless the two main parties can find common ground & work together for the good of the country & I very much doubt that is going to happen anytime soon

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What makes you say that?
I was not in a position to vote for Theresa May.
She was not standing for election in this borough.
If you have read any of my posts you will know that I would not vote for GJ...but it could have been any of the other three candidates.

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Oh dear , Mother Theresa !

What a fine mess you have got us into !

You are a weak , wobbly , incompetent , political idiot !

Get out !

Get out !

Get out !

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You are right there Accymad.
There will be little that they can agree on. If one said it was day, the other would disagree.
We have had a taste of coalition and it was not a good experience, Clegg and Cameron did not cut the mustard.
I can't see May and Corbyn doing it
This does not bode well for the future. Neither does calling for Theresa May to stand down.
We need someone who will be firm when seeking a settlement for Brexit.
The EU already know that Corbyn would do a deal at any price.

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You missed 'us'.

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You lot are the idiots full stop.:rolleyes:

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May only called the Election because she thought she would get a landslide victory, she didn't need to call an Election but gambled and lost seats but she won't resign !!! At least Cameron went when it was time to go.

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The youth voted for the free tuition that they thought was for all subjects but if they'd read into it they'd see it's only certain subjects labour wanted to make free, little scrounging lefties

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No, she didn't.
She called an election because the referendum went in favour of Brexit.
Cameron turned and ran.
The people kept sniping, telling TM that she was unelected, that she had no mandate from the electorate, that she was not being true to the party manifesto.
That meant she had little choice but to go to the country and ask for the mandate.
That is it in a nutshell.
All elections are a gamble regardless of when they are called.
This result is not good news for the country, but the country has spoken.
Now we have to get on with the task of clearing up the mess...so get your sleeves rolled up and get ready to put some BAS in( britches arse steam).

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Lets just look at true fact, Corbyn ran a very effective campaign no doubt at all. Hyndburns M.P. has always been completely against Corbyn, in fact initially resigned the Labour Whip, so what that says about the 95% our M.P. insulted, is the fact most of em are obviously Labour Voters.:rolleyes:

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That's your opinion which your entitled to I have mine which is that she thought she would hit Labour when she thought they were down and out and wipe them away. That's what all the Press were saying at the time and the British Public decided not to back her.

It just makes me wonder if Labour had an exceptional Leader what might have been. I voted for Graham Jones as I like the lad and wanted him to win again.

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i also like him shurm, in fact sometimes he stands for a natter up the wham, but i certainly did not vote for him this time, i voted for what i consider best for my family, especially my grandkids.

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we can all go on about should she shouldn,t she in calling this election. for me all that,s going to happen is we.ll have to go through all this again in less than twelve months time. the problem is going to be all what happens from now till the next election. see more wishy washy policies coming out and a brexit disaster about to unfold. not a happy little bunny this morning.

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The daft thing is people voted for Brexit but none of the major Parties wanted it !! The Conservatives had to run with it and Cameron resigned and May picked the baton up saw a chance to enhance her position and it failed. However that still leaves the majority of us with no one really representing the views we voted for in the Brexit Referendum. I think the last two votes have been a protest vote by many who feel no one is actually giving people what we all want, a fairer society with tighter border controls, a welfare state that looks after the vulnerable and an NHS that's funded correctly.

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Thing is Corbyns manifesto great as it looks,could not be funded properly, thats a certainty according to financial experts, he has conned people, especially the younger uns, cos he knew damn well he was not going to be elected,

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Cashman I agree but we will never know and like you said he even felt he had no chance really, I voted locally for Graham I don't really feel any of the major parties represent my views completely.

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None represent my views completely shurm, but i regard exit from the corrupt E.U. as paramount to us eventually getting a better life,and the fact we now have a government with no overall majority, makes things a damn site worse.

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Yes of course it is my opinion, but it is also backed up by the facts I stated.
I honour and respect the opinions of others.
Graham Jones may be a very pleasant man, but he has done nothing for our borough that instilled confidence.(again,this is just my opinion).
I expected more from him, but then maybe that is my fault.
Perhaps I need to lower my expectations.

As for the press, they are to be taken with a very large pinch of salt...they print stuff that they believe will sell papers and they play to the lowest common denominator.
I do not swallow whole what the popular media tell me...I look further if I want information.

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It certainly does and has considerably weakened our bargaining power.
This will delight those in Brussels who would like to toast our hides...and I don't mean with Champagne.

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I have come to the conclusion,theres a lot of dense people!! the Election was called to give the government a stronger hand in Brexit fact. Corbyn changed it to policies,fact. the suckers fell for it, whilst policies are important fact, we needed a strong hand in Brexit to pay for things and eventually get straight, the sensible course was to give government that hand, get sorted and "THEN" vote the torys out if people didn't like the policies.bit difficult for clowns to take the "Long View".:rolleyes:

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My view entirely Cashman.
Let the Torys get us out of Europe, a strong Brexit and then I'll get back to being a labour supporter again.

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Also they forget the fact that austerity happened cos the last Labour government stupidly left us skint, remember the note they left regarding it as funny?

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Yes, what short memories they have.
I think one of the problems of modern life is that everyone seems to believe they have'rights'.(no one ever mentions responsibility)

They think that they should have everything that everyone else has.
Some of the people who say they are poor still expect to smoke, have a beer, a foreign holiday, but in the next breath they tell us that they cannot afford to buy a house.
Well, forgive me while I wipe the tears from my eyes.

During the time we were newly married we did without many things, we did not have new clothes, holidays or any luxury items...just so that we could save for a house.

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As part of the Tory DUP deal, DUP want Nigel farage on the Brexit negotiating team

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Probably the most sensible thing to come out of this whole performance, but I'm pretty damn sure old Tezzy DisMay won't be having any of it!

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If she wants the majority vote she's got no choice

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Labour will be under investigation for vote fraud as students have voted twice. In university area and in thier home area which is illegal, labour can't even win when they cheat ������

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That would not surprise me at all.

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Thank you for the link...much appreciated.

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Why has this not been on the News?:confused:

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Because they are all taken up with the media frenzy of the post mortem on the results...and who is going to stick the knife in. It is all getting really tedious. I just want them(the politicians) to roll their sleeves up and get on with the job of clearing up the mess.
I want to kick them all in the trousers for their squabbling...it is unseemly and unsettling.

I have signed this petition, though so far it only has twelve signatories.

You would think that these students at universities would understand that this cheats us all,debases democracy and robs the country of integrity.

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Just signed the petition - only just over 1000 signatures required for the 10,000 mark.

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Many of them have NO IDEA what democracy is, proved after many of em were gobbing off for a second referendum.:rolleyes:

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Probably because lt looks like Labour are not only controlling the BBC, it looks like Sky and ITV are following. There is no good news on Brexit on any of these stations, everything is one sided to put a downer on leaving the CORRUPT EU.

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Because the news are left wing and support labour

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You took the very words right out of my mouth.

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Yes and they were biased during the campaign too(especially the BBC)...I am sure this must have had some effect on how people saw the politicians.
I do not want a head to head discussion...it means nothing and it makes the politicians look lie they are in a game show.
Politics should not be treated in such a cavalier manner.
This is a ploy used by American politics...we do not need any more of their crap ideas over here.

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I am RAGING about the media coverage. Comrade Corbyn is a God, only in there eyes. lol

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I am not happy about the Scottish Conservatives Either. another post tomorrow

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Because, like the now well-established scandal of postal votes amongst certain of our brethren, it benefits Labour and you will rarely hear the BBC, which is the media organ for that party*, and has been for several decades now, raise such issues.

*if you doubt this, look up who is the new head of BBC Radio, and what his previous job was.

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Should get all their seats stripped from them

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James Purnell becomes BBC radio chief - BBC News
There you go....and that is as good a reason as any for the Beeb to be partisan

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i dont doubt it at all,i know,but theres a hell of a lot that dont, which is why i asked the question.;)

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I understand that one of the DUP requirements to support TM is for the TV Licence to be scrapped - sounds good to me.

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If the BBC itself were scrapped, I, for one, wouldn't miss it.

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Sooner the better far as i'm concerned.

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This is just small beer, the real stuff needs to be around the negotiation for getting us out of the EU

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In an earlier post I said i did not mind paying the BBC licence fee, changed my mind BIG STYLE, after the biased reporting for Labour, totally SCUNNERED.

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The boss is an ex labour minister.;)

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What gets me is that numerous media sources were continually telling the PM that she had NO Mandate from the electorate....that she had never been elected and now the same media sources are slating her for coming to the decisions that she did.
She cannot win, heck she can't even draw. Her party need to get behind her and support her to the hilt, but do you think they will? I very much doubt it. They are all out for themselves rather than the good of the UK.

Another interesting bit of info(don't know where I saw it...but it was online) said that JC Juncker 'encouraged'the PM to call an election...so the cynical side of me wonders what skullduggery was afoot, and did the EU (in some way) influence the election...though I have no evidence of this, it DOES make me wonder.

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Labour are pulling the Media strings at the moment so owts possible.

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I love the BBC , far better programmes than ITV.and being 86 , I don't have to pay the licence fee like you suckers !!!!!

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Now, that IS gloating Jim.
I think TV licences are the least of our worries right now.

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While the BBC gets the money from the licence, but the licence fee is actually a tax levied on the installation of receiving equipment.
So even if you proved you never watched the BBC you still are legally required to have a licence for your receiving equipment.
That you are over 85 and are not required to pay is of little relevance.(being old has to have some compensations)
As for the BBC making better programs, well that is debatable. Their programs are a little like the 'Curates Egg'.
They have made good programs in the past, but they seem to be on a slippery downward slope.

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Well some people are easily suited.:rolleyes:

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Could not find the stream for Election Called. Hope it's OK to post on here.
I have just watched on youtube the Election Declaration for Hyndburn. Your'e MP Jones is an accomplished speaker...NOT

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It is known as 'The Peter Principle'...people rise to the level of their incompetence.
He was fine as a local councillor, but as an MP he just doesn't cut it.
However,Accyman nailed it.
The voters in Hyndburn will vote for anybody/anything as long as it travels under a Labour banner.

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its the same anywhere in the north apart from rural areas. must be a throwback to the 30,s and following in grandads footsteps. only ever voted for em once and i regretted it. helped to put blair in power. enough said.

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I think Graham Jones works hard for hi constituents and is a good MP. Being an MP is more than sounding good on TV. I don't agree with a lot of things he says or does but I will give praise where it's due.

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Well, Neil he has not done a lot for the borough in general, and as such, I cannot agree that he is a good MP.
Previously he has done more to promote his own interests by climbing the political ladder.
It is not necessarily about sounding good in the press, but about doing the best for the town.
I stand by my post that he was a good councillor(that is why I had high hopes for him as our MP...and voted for him at the last election.)
As far as I am concerned he has not fulfilled those hopes.
This is just my own opinion.

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And now the labour lefties are storming Kensington council office and attacking staff while they're trying to rehome victims, they are calling for a day of rage to bring down the goverment, they are attacking police officers, don't they think our services have anything better to do at the moment, this is corbyns real peace party, they are a joke

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People like that always move in on a tragedy,and make political gain outa people who are devasted.:(

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This is Jeremy Corbyn's rent-a-mob, apparently he has 3 houses, why can't he offer refuge to a few of these homeless people?

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I follow him on facebook and see what he is doing for his constituents, you should try it you might learn what he's up to

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Neil, you know I don't do facebook. I won't ever do facebook/twitter/whatsapp/snapchat.
None of these have anything that want to avail myself of.

He may be doing stuff for constituents...that is what he knows how to do from being a councillor...but looking at the bigger picture....exactly what has he done to improve the borough...has he prevented the closure of amenities?
Has he done anything to slow down the decline of the town centre?
Has he done anything to promote the town to businesses which would bring in jobs and improve the local economy?

Having said all of that even if he had done wonders for the town(which he hasn't) I would not vote for a party which had Jeremy Corbyn as a leader....with a manifesto which is so blatantly unworkable

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I try never to miss Prime minister's questions, and selected debates. During the past two years, I have made a point of seeing if my MP asks a question, he hardly ever does. I also took an interest in Hyndburn, and this MP hardly ever does either
My husband follows Martyn Day our MP on facebook, according to him he gives the impression of always being busy and out there. so we joined a government website called THEY WORK FOR YOU, every time your selected MP asks a question or has a written one, the will send you an email giving you all the information. it can make interesting reading Neil

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I follow that site too.

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It does make interesting reading

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https://www.theyworkforyou.com/?utm_...medium=twitter
Here is a link for those not familiar with the site

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Lets be honest here Facebook like wiki anyone can put anything on those. proves nowt.

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'They Work for You'is an official site with the daily doings of politicians and I feel it is more to be trusted.

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WhatsApp isn't social media. It's just a private message system that uses the internet so you can send picture/video/whatever you want to a friend. You can send messages to just one person like with text messages or you can set up group messages with several people in. Good if you have a few people like a walking group or something and want to be able to contact them all at once.

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I am sure this is a Government Site

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I know that you can do all that, I watch the children doing that.(I lumped it in with social media for convenience) I was just saying that these apps/sites do not appeal to me.
I am the wrong generation for all of that.
They are the way that younger folk keep in touch.

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How do you define Social Media?

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Thanks for this site, just found out the local labour counsellor is against gay marriage and always voted for higher tuition fees

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You are welcome.

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Neil how do you define Social Media?

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The official secrets act won't let us comment on that :rolleyes:

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More shared than WhatsApp

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They are for keeping people in touch, age has nothing to do with it

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So, your post said WhatsApp is not social media, but it is isn't it?

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I don't think so no, it's a personal messaging app