Americas overseas empire - Page 2

SPUGGIE J · 10-07-2007, 12:06

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Originally Posted by Royboy39

By the end of WWII Britain was no longer an imperial power.
But for the Americans we would now be eating sauerkraut for breakfast.
I don't agree with most of the foreign policies now.

The Americans could have been as well. They were prepared for war in the Pacific but not in the Atlantic and therefore relied on the British and French navies to cover the Atlantic. When France fell there was alarm in DC to the point that through time Rosevelt managed to wangle aid to us. They needed us as much as we needed them.

As for Britain not being an Imperial power I disagree she still was though weakened like a poor sod with Malaria. America will not do anything without gaining big time and if the blame llies anywhere it should be with Japan for waking up the industrial might of America that has lead to the situation we are in.

jambutty · 10-07-2007, 12:23

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Originally Posted by Royboy39

By the end of WWII Britain was no longer an imperial power.
But for the Americans we would now be eating sauerkraut for breakfast.
I don't agree with most of the foreign policies now.

I like sauerkraut - but not for breakfast.

Seriously though – the American nation is made up of immigrants mainly from Europe and that included German Jews.

Some people thought that Germany would have allowed the UK to sue for peace on our own terms before the Yanks got directly involved. Didn’t Hitler offer to leave the UK alone if we undertook to pull out of Europe and not get further involved? Hitler’s biggest mistake (against the advice of his generals) was not to invade the UK when we were on our knees and choose to go for Russia instead.

After that I don’t think that Hitler had the capacity or the stomach for invading Britain. Look what it cost us and the Yanks to invade Normandy.

Royboy39 · 10-07-2007, 12:24

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J

The Americans could have been as well. They were prepared for war in the Pacific but not in the Atlantic and therefore relied on the British and French navies to cover the Atlantic. When France fell there was alarm in DC to the point that through time Rosevelt managed to wangle aid to us. They needed us as much as we needed them.

As for Britain not being an Imperial power I disagree she still was though weakened like a poor sod with Malaria. America will not do anything without gaining big time and if the blame llies anywhere it should be with Japan for waking up the industrial might of America that has lead to the situation we are in.

What Britain did in WWII is well documented.
It was Churchill who almost begged the Americans to become involved in the war in Europe and it was Japan's attack on Pearl that caused the Americans to declare war on Japan and Germany.
Having lost Hong Kong and Malaya to the Japanese and the loss of tons of merchantmen in the Atlantic the Americans came to our aid with the Lease Lend programme and lost thousands of men as we did to stop the Germans and their allies from overrunning Europe.
In this instance I say thank you America.

cashman · 10-07-2007, 14:32

agree with royboy on this one, better late than never i say,but for the yanks we would probably have been goosed- Big-Time. = FACT.

LancYorkYankee · 10-07-2007, 14:35

As an American, your comments are much appreciated Royboy. As for the rest, your comments are understood and respected. It can be tough being an American on Accyweb. However, I certainly understand that you guys can separate us individual Americans from the Country (which I do truly love).

I truly believe that America has done much more good for the world in her short history then evil. Dag we have, and continue to, make mistakes both here at home and abroad. So much of America as individuals are in the sewer (IMO), i.e. rap music, liberals, crappy movies and "music" videos, liberals, corrupt politicians, liberals . . .

I believe a true democracy is, can be, the best form of government. In comparison to communism and various other dictatorships.

Brian

bullseyebarb · 10-07-2007, 18:40

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Originally Posted by steeljack

interesting article about the locations and numbers of the U.S.'s overseas military bases
The Worldwide Network of US Military Bases

Ah, that's all we need. More codswallop from yet another lefty prof. Is there any other kind these days? Yeah, it's too bad America took on the job of world policeman after the Brits folded following WWII. It has cost us immeasurably in treasure and blood - and we are damned and blasted for it. But thanks to the U.S., Europe hasn't had to worry too much about military expenses over the last 60 years. Free to establish their little socialist utopias. Well good luck with that. In case you haven't noticed, Britain is the only country in the region with a military force of any significance - and that's nowhere near what it used to be. Maybe there'll be some tune changing when reality sets in.

Royboy39 · 10-07-2007, 18:49

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Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Ah, that's all we need. More codswallop from yet another lefty prof. Is there any other kind these days? Yeah, it's too bad America took on the job of world policeman after the Brits folded following WWII. It has cost us immeasurably in treasure and blood - and we are damned and blasted for it. But thanks to the U.S., Europe hasn't had to worry too much about military expenses over the last 60 years. Free to establish their little socialist utopias. Well good luck with that. In case you haven't noticed, Britain is the only country in the region with a military force of any significance - and that's nowhere near what it used to be. Maybe there'll be some tune changing when reality sets in.

What reality?
Read the thread properly before jumping in with both feet.

bullseyebarb · 10-07-2007, 18:53

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Originally Posted by Royboy39

What reality?
Read the thread properly before jumping in with both feet.

I did. My opinion stands.

cashman · 10-07-2007, 18:55

bullseye what do you know about reality?

bullseyebarb · 10-07-2007, 19:04

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Originally Posted by cashman

bullseye what do you know about reality?

Plenty. I deal with it daily.

LancYorkYankee · 10-07-2007, 19:24

Ah Bullseye, who loves ya baby!

Amazing how we can say about the same thing in such different ways eh? I do feel as you are a Brit born and raised you can better "explain" these American type questions better from that view.

I do tend to talk that way (your way) when face to face with the more liberal/left American/Hollywood types. I fear too much can come across as too inflamatory on a message board. Don't get me wrong it is a rare time that I have ever disagreed with Bullseyes' comments. But boy can she get the Accyweb dander up or what?

Hugs and Kisses!

Brian

Royboy39 · 10-07-2007, 19:34

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Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Plenty. I deal with it daily.

For you to come on to a local British forum and come out with that garbish is beyond belief.
I have no time at all for the high handed American who adopt the 'Better than thou' attitude.
I don't like saying this but America have been soundly beaten in the Far East since WWII and would advise that you should be aware of the Silent Dragon.
To suggest that reality is governed by America is laughable.
I think that if all Americans are thinking the same as you.......God help us all.

cashman · 10-07-2007, 19:39

Hey LYY, i love bullseye too, love the way i cast my line in and didn't get a bite,gotta give top marks for that.

LancYorkYankee · 10-07-2007, 19:48

Geez Royboy, Bullseye is from Lancashire. Also, many Amercians have differing thoughts on all kinds of issues. Americans can not, or at least should not, be put into one basket. You can hear exactly the opposite of Bullseye from other Americans, then there are many more moderate views.

Unfortunately (IMO) too many Americans are of the "who cares" about anything camp. Like most any other nation, when Americans come under attack or challenged, many of us forgot our inner problems and rally round the flag. Again many don't bother.

I would hope expect you guys to do the same. If I said some thing negative and from a illinformed view point about England, the Queen, the people, etc., I would expect, even if you didn't like the Queen, the people, you would still challenge my misinformed, illadvised, or straight-up wrong point of view.

I hope this is understandable? This past year I've asked loads of questions to understand things about England I did not know. Lo and behold, many of the Accyweb Nation had different views and answers to my questions. I belive that is a good thing!

Brian

LancYorkYankee · 10-07-2007, 19:54

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Originally Posted by cashman

Hey LYY, i love bullseye too, love the way i cast my line in and didn't get a bite,gotta give top marks for that.

Very funny Cashy, I believe Bullseye is out shooting off her guns to relieve the strain this line of threading has put her through. She'll be back. It's just a question of if she be calm, cool, and collected or coming at you folks with both barrells blazing! ("Ya feel lucky Punk?")

Kinda weird, someone is out in "my field" shooting off some guns. I hope their not culling my squirrell herd! Off to check (and I'll only be carrying my 22 and a pointy stick!)