Did Graham Jones do the right thing?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Eric

Has it really got to the point where the EU could thwart the democratically expressed wishes of the British public ... Ireland, maybe, but the UK? Isn't it the sixth or seventh wealthiest country in the world. I mean, we ain't talking River Dance and Guiness here. Since I have lived in Canada, we have had two hard-fought referenda on independence for la belle province de Quebec. A Canada without Quebec! And at the same time, there were rumblings from the Western Provinces, the Maritimes, and British Columbia (not a western province, in the sense that the UK is not European) about separation for their regions. Scary times. However, if the folks in Quebec had voted to leave Confederation, the Feds and the other nine provinces would have accepted the democratically expressed wishes of the Quebecois. Europe is becoming a weird place ... and the krauts ... it's time they had another good ass kicking.

Yes, but because of this European fraternal love-in, we haven't been at war with each other for sixty odd years.

We have to travel a little further for fistycuffs nowadays.

Have ammo, and an E.U. task force, will travel.

Well there was that bit of a do in the Balkans.

But they're not proper Europeans. Being a bit swarthy, from having been touched with a non-E.U. standard tar brush.

Plus they aren't European Union members.

Just yet.

[Margaret Pilkington]

There hasn't been(to my knowledge anyway - maybe it happened while I was asleep) any country which has had a vote/referenda as to whether to stay in or leave the EU.

There have been referendums about accepting the fiscal policy...or different treaties....and countries who have voted against the wishes of the EU have been sent away to vote again...until they come back with the right answer(one that is accpetable to Brussels).
Democracy is not being served by the EU. neither is trade....which was the banner under which the EEC(later to become the EU) was floated.
The EU and the single currency were never about about free trade, it was always about politics and the forming of the Federal states of Europe.
This failed as the USSR.......which broke up into original state...there is no reason why the EU cannot do the same thing........and if Greece exits the single currency(which it surely must) then it will be the master of its own fate...it can do back to the Drachma, set its own financial course. People will flock there again for holidays, greek products would become cheaper and therefore more attractive to buyers and the greek economy could once again stabilise, and after a time flourish.
Wouldn't that be a smack in the kisser for Germany?

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

There hasn't been(to my knowledge anyway - maybe it happened while I was asleep) any country which has had a vote/referenda as to whether to stay in or leave the EU.

There have been referendums about accepting the fiscal policy...or different treaties....and countries who have voted against the wishes of the EU have been sent away to vote again...until they come back with the right answer(one that is accpetable to Brussels).
Democracy is not being served by the EU. neither is trade....which was the banner under which the EEC(later to become the EU) was floated.
The EU and the single currency were never about about free trade, it was always about politics and the forming of the Federal states of Europe.
This failed as the USSR.......which broke up into original state...there is no reason why the EU cannot do the same thing........and if Greece exits the single currency(which it surely must) then it will be the master of its own fate...it can do back to the Drachma, set its own financial course. People will flock there again for holidays, greek products would become cheaper and therefore more attractive to buyers and the greek economy could once again stabilise, and after a time flourish.
Wouldn't that be a smack in the kisser for Germany?

Seems like the Na oops, sorry ... Germans are becoming increasingly unpopular. Starting to throw their weight around again. Their kinder-gentler-warm fuzzy image is starting to fade. It's not hard to see through their rhetoric ... they want to run the show ... and it's only 98 years since they tried the first time. And then there was that thing in the early 40s ... I seem to remember the Greeks had a rough time of it then too.

As an aside: I know that major league football is becoming a lot like WWE, but I did find myself cheering for Chelski last weekend.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Eric

Seems like the Na oops, sorry ... Germans are becoming increasingly unpopular. Starting to throw their weight around again. Their kinder-gentler-warm fuzzy image is starting to fade. It's not hard to see through their rhetoric ... they want to run the show ... and it's only 98 years since they tried the first time.

Yes, it won't be too much longer before our British passports, emblazoned in gold with DIEU ET MON DROIT on the cover, are replaced by ones issued by the United States of Europe, stating on the front that 'Arbeit macht frei'.

[jaysay]

Brings more meaning to the old one, German and and English soldier are talking the German says "we should have won the war" the English soldier replies "why"

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by garinda

'Arbeit macht frei'.

"work sets you free".. is that your slogan for your new found right wing buds?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Mancie

your new found political buddys?

Oh I'm quite choosy, when it comes to who I have as friends.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Mancie

'Arbeit macht frei'.

"work sets you free".. is that your slogan for your new found right wing buds?

Not many poiticans make the grade.

Same with those who are a bit 'slow'.

You'll have to edit your posts a little faster, if you don't want then quoted in their original form.

[Mancie]

Same meaning..and I don't regard myself as a politician..but you do put yourself up front as speaking for "the majority"..your last attempt did nowt as far as the local council votes went so sail on momma

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

Not many poiticans make the grade.

Same with those who are a bit 'slow'.

You'll have to edit your posts a little faster, if you don't want then quoted in their original form.

That's the trouble with you your just so damn quick

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by jaysay

That's the trouble with you your just so damn quick

Well too damn fast for left wing lakies

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by jaysay

That's the trouble with you your just so damn quick

Well yeah Jaysay...I'm feeling kind so won.t call you a dog again

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Mancie

Same meaning..and I don't regard myself as a politician..but you do put yourself up front as speaking for "the majority"..your last attempt did nowt as far as the local council votes went so sail on momma

I speak for no one but myself.

We're all agreed on that.

As for your recent bouts of churlishness, now that I'm no longer a Labour supporter, that's quite funny.

Almost.

Though let's not get sidetracked.

This thread is about the vast majority of us, who think Graham Jones did the wrong thing, voting against us being allowed a say in a referendum on our membership of the European Union.

Let's stick with the subject of this thread please.

Jones chosing party, over the democratic rights of the people he's supposed to represent.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Mancie

Same meaning..and I don't regard myself as a politician..but you do put yourself up front as speaking for "the majority"..your last attempt did nowt as far as the local council votes went so sail on momma

Even though you're thread wandering, keen on posting your thoughts about my good self, I do thank you for helping to keep this thread active.

I wondered if it might be a struggle, keeping it going until the next General Election.

Obviously not.

Cheers.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by garinda

I speak for no one but myself.

We're all agreed on that.

We are all agreed? .. who the bloody hell are WE?