morallity and employment

[Claytoner40]

Originally Posted by churchfcrules

so if and when you have children, on the moral scales, where will you fall, quality of life, or amount of money?

When mine were younger - money. Now they are older - quality. You can never buy it back

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by sugarmouse0707

My job probably denotes questionable morals, I'm lucky enough to be a bit of a miser and I don't have many responsibilities aside from vehicles, a dog and rodents! If money got bad for some reason though, I think my morals wouldn't let me go any 'further' so to speak. That's perhaps something other than morals?

I would argue the fact that your job promotes questionable morals. Morals to a certain extent are subjective and I personally see nothing wrong with lap dancing. On the other hand, I once had a job over 40 years ago working for Accrington Corporation as a rodent control operative - ie, chucking rat poison down drains, which I'm sure you'd regard as highly immoral!

[churchfcrules]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

I would argue the fact that your job promotes questionable morals. Morals to a certain extent are subjective and I personally see nothing wrong with lap dancing. On the other hand, I once had a job over 40 years ago working for Accrington Corporation as a rodent control operative - ie, chucking rat poison down drains, which I'm sure you'd regard as highly immoral!

my dad worked for corpporation in 70s

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by churchfcrules

my dad worked for corpporation in 70s

Doubt if I'd know him as I only worked there for a 6 week summer job in '70 and '71. The regular blokes tended to regard us as bleedin' students who didn't know their arse from their elbows...and they were probably right!

[Sunflower49]

Originally Posted by churchfcrules

so if and when you have children, on the moral scales, where will you fall, quality of life, or amount of money?

If I had an ideal situation, I would have both! Either a breadwinner (me or my partner, depending on who had most earning potential OR if I was single and could work part time hours for enough money, or my partner could do that, or we both could do that. I'm lucky that it isn't much of a worry to me-and also I really don't envision children in my future at all.

Originally Posted by churchfcrules

planning on watching a film in bout 20 mins if thats ok with everyone, red lights if anyone is interested, couple glasses of cider, so shant be able to keep the thread alive im afraid, if anyone feels like, giving it a little bit of mouth to mouth now n again for me that would be great,

What?!You're leaving YOUR thread?!

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

I would argue the fact that your job promotes questionable morals. Morals to a certain extent are subjective and I personally see nothing wrong with lap dancing. On the other hand, I once had a job over 40 years ago working for Accrington Corporation as a rodent control operative - ie, chucking rat poison down drains, which I'm sure you'd regard as highly immoral!

It just demonstrates personal opinion doesn't it. I'm not daft enough to think that rats should just be left to overtake a town, of course it makes me sad, though if I think about painful deaths of animals. Ideally they shouldn't be a problem, but litter, fast food outlets, throwaway society, supermarket ruling meaning that all unsold food has to be chucked...Leaves rats with an ideal environment in which to thrive, breed. I do blame a lot of it on humans. I blame most things on humans!

I wrote my first thesis on pornography and the feminist argument that it encourages rape. I argued predominantly against that opinion, that it does not and in some cases could actually prevent a rapist from acting on his/her pulsions-if it were found that lapdancing is of the same genre of 'adult entertainment' then it could be argued that it is actually a moralistic occupation (note this isn't MY opinion, I am just brainstorming here).
I sound far fetched I know, the point I am trying to make is sometimes a job that could be seen as unjust, there is often another side to it...Opposing that.

[churchfcrules]

Originally Posted by sugarmouse0707

I wrote my first thesis on pornography and the feminist argument that it encourages rape. I argued predominantly against that opinion, that it does not and in some cases could actually prevent a rapist from acting on his/her pulsions-if it were found that lapdancing is of the same genre of 'adult entertainment' then it could be argued that it is actually a moralistic occupation (note this isn't MY opinion, I am just brainstorming here).
I sound far fetched I know, the point I am trying to make is sometimes a job that could be seen as unjust, there is often another side to it...Opposing that.

got up to get a drink lol

thought would carry out some cpr

i see your reasoning, and dont worry i often will argue the case that is not my opinion also, but i think that also comes into the justification/guilt thing i referred to, it also must be based on the primary motive, if the primary motive is money, is it fair to then use a secondary motive as an argument/justification?

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by sugarmouse0707

I wrote my first thesis on pornography and the feminist argument that it encourages rape. I argued predominantly against that opinion, that it does not and in some cases could actually prevent a rapist from acting on his/her pulsions-if it were found that lapdancing is of the same genre of 'adult entertainment' then it could be argued that it is actually a moralistic occupation (note this isn't MY opinion, I am just brainstorming here).
I sound far fetched I know, the point I am trying to make is sometimes a job that could be seen as unjust, there is often another side to it...Opposing that.

I suppose the feminist argument is that lap dancing encourages men to regard women as sex objects and therefore makes them likely to commit rape. Personally I think that's a load of bunkum and the sort of bloke that's going to commit rape will do it, lap dancing or no lap dancing.

The other argument from the "moral majority" types is that lap dancing ensnares dumb, desperate girls who are exploited and abused by their employers and customers. The fact that you're self-assured, educated and very much at ease with yourself blows that one out of the water!

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

I suppose the feminist argument is that lap dancing encourages men to regard women as sex objects and therefore makes them likely to commit rape. Personally I think that's a load of bunkum and the sort of bloke that's going to commit rape will do it, lap dancing or no lap dancing.

The other argument from the "moral majority" types is that lap dancing ensnares dumb, desperate girls who are exploited and abused by their employers and customers. The fact that you're self-assured, educated and very much at ease with yourself blows that one out of the water!

I consider that the men who watch are the exploited ones

[Sunflower49]

Originally Posted by churchfcrules

got up to get a drink lol

thought would carry out some cpr

i see your reasoning, and dont worry i often will argue the case that is not my opinion also, but i think that also comes into the justification/guilt thing i referred to, it also must be based on the primary motive, if the primary motive is money, is it fair to then use a secondary motive as an argument/justification?

Yes I think that's human nature. If you do a job because you need a job, and you know you are going to get judged, you try find some other justifications or counter arguments. Not just with jobs, actually but everything. Not always, sometimes it's genuine and not a justification, but often.For example I smoked until recently.Always American Spirit organic tobacco but I am actually rejected from the vegan meetups that I used to go to because I smoked, therefore I am seen as a)damaging my immidiate environment, passive smoking etc, and animal testing is done constantly to gain knowledge on the minimisation of tobacco damage-so I am part of that. I used to justify it by saying things like 'I am destroying the stereotype that vegans are all health freaks, and I am a party animal who drinks and smokes-I show that vegans aren't all tree hugging teetotal hippies' and stuff. Sure I do beleive in all that stuff-but would I say it and emphasise it, if I wasn't already opposed for doing it?

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

I suppose the feminist argument is that lap dancing encourages men to regard women as sex objects and therefore makes them likely to commit rape. Personally I think that's a load of bunkum and the sort of bloke that's going to commit rape will do it, lap dancing or no lap dancing.

The other argument from the "moral majority" types is that lap dancing ensnares dumb, desperate girls who are exploited and abused by their employers and customers. The fact that you're self-assured, educated and very much at ease with yourself blows that one out of the water!

Yes, I can see that argument-it works and it has a point to the uneducated and ignorant majority-they are a majority!
Personally, I think rape is nowt to do with sex. It's about power, control, insecurity...Most of the time at least.
Thanks for the compliment
I don't know, what people want to think is that dancers do the job because they're troubled, unconfident, 'too stupid to get a real job'.. Forced into it by their pimp!...
I have met a lot of troubled girls who dance. Many dancers I know well have insecurities and issues and need to work on their confidence.
Many PEOPLE I know have insecurities, issues and a need to work on their confidence.
I also know dancers who are self assured , happy, well-rounded individuals who know a good job when they find one.

Originally Posted by MargaretR

I consider that the men who watch are the exploited ones

Lol I say this tongue in cheek sometimes. If somebody wants to pay X amount of money to see what I see everyday in the mirror or the shower, then who am I to argue?
People need money, they need tools to make money whether that be literally tools, or labour and time, strength, brains...
I just use what I was born with.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

I consider that the men who watch are the exploited ones

I don't really think it is exploitation at all...more a symbiotic relationship, with each party getting what it needs.

[flashy]

I agree there Marg

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by churchfcrules

2 reference to spelling and grammar, i am not applying for a job or writing a thesis, therefore lots of mistakes go through, also send a lot via iPhone and that can be fun too, however what does it have to do with anything, when the sentiment of what i said still got there, i am sure i have read on this forum that we dont bother about spelling and grammar, its a little petty dont you think, or as i say its just more baiting, guess we get bored when people get banned.

and it was more of a troll, questioning if it hadnt gone they way id hoped, then making up my hidden agenda

so there you go, work done for the evening, you can put your feet up now, i bit (well had a little nibble)

Spelling and grammar don't matter, um ya want to see the stick I get

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by churchfcrules

planning on watching a film in bout 20 mins if thats ok with everyone, red lights if anyone is interested, couple glasses of cider, so shant be able to keep the thread alive im afraid, if anyone feels like, giving it a little bit of mouth to mouth now n again for me that would be great,

Flaming part timer, can't stand um

[churchfcrules]

i love a good thread wander, and seen as though its MY thread, here we go

on sexploitation of women, if your partner was visiting a regular website\stripclub\lap dancing club or similar, and you found out, would you feel as angry as if they had been having an extra marital/relationship affair, or would you see it as at least they havent had physical contact with someone else, so no harm done, also is it on the same scale as finding out they look at porn, or is it worse because its not anonymous?

i think many would see it as a betrayal, i guess its more of a question for women, but thats just because i am being sexist and assuming that the majority of the activities i stated above are predominantly male "indulgences", but fellas how would you feel if your partner was doing any of the above, interesting to see how male attitudes compares to female attitudes.

i can see the point, that whilst visiting said establishment, they arent having an affair, as this suppress that need, much in the same way as the argument that it is "supplying a service" to prevent potential rapists carrying out their crimes(by the way, i dont doubt this, but is there any evidence, i dont see how it can be measured, and without evidence can it be used as an argument )

[Margaret Pilkington]

Personally...and it may just be my age.......I would look on it in the way that I look on dogs chasing cars...they chase them, but how often do you see one driving a car?

I might have viewed it a bit differently when I was younger...in fact I know I would.

Myself, I would never visit a venue that had The Chippendales on...or any such act...it does absolutely nothing for me....and that hasn't changed over the years......I would not have done it when I was younger either. I cannot see any entertainment value in it at all.