Rape Victim Given Permission To Sue The Rapist. - Page 2

cashman · 30-01-2008, 23:55

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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy

He was sentenced in 1989 and won the lottery in 2004 that’s why I said later in life. Having said that, why he was gambling ( doing the Lottery ) whilst serving a sentence is beyond me, he should have been breaking rocks in Siberia or summat

that just highlights the inadequacy of our justice system 5 yrs after raping women,this piece of crap is out in society on day release, that means to prepare em for eventual release, which soon follows, no wonder people despair.

garinda · 31-01-2008, 00:02

This is why I don't play the lottery, besides my Methodist upbringing, which thinks all gambling is wrong.

The chance are stacked against you that won't win, and I refuse to allow my money to be paid to scum such as this rapist, or that fat lard arse bin man in Suffolk, who snorted his millions up his piggy nose.

As far as compensation is concerned, I think all victims should be paid a fair, and equal amount. One person's suffering isn't any less because she was raped by a 'man' without any financial assets.

blazey · 31-01-2008, 00:25

I think this is a stupid idea that wastes tax payers money. Unless compensation is dealt with at the actual trial of the rapist once they've been convicted then this shouldn't be done.

Money wont mend the way a raped woman or man feels, it wont make the pain go away. Rape victims need to be offered therapists and support networks, not have cash thrown at them.

steeljack · 31-01-2008, 01:29

I'm wondering if he was also allowed to buy a couple of porn mags at the same time ? and maybe a bottle or two of vodka on his play day .....after all it would part of his rehabilitation and re-entry into civilized society

derekgas · 31-01-2008, 04:45

Was it rape? Or attempted rape? Big difference, although the intent was there either way and he deserved locking up, if he was given life for it, it should have been life anyway (life in my opinion being untill you are 65, or incapable of commiting these crimes), a proper life sentence would mean no 'play days' in which a lottery ticket could be purchased, but in the event it was, all the costs for the trial, and the compensation should be paid from the winnings, I don't necesarily think the victim should be able to claim again so many years after the fact. This thread beggars the opinion that 'what goes around comes around' doesn't it? Unless Hoare was innocent! I know a guy who is in prison for the rape of a 15 years old girl, but the true story is, she was in a nightclub, she went to his home with him and his mate, had sex with both of them then fell asleep, when she awoke, realising she had some explaining to do to the parents, she went home and cried rape! All that said, if rape or attempted rape is proven, then the scum should not see light of day again, let alone a lottery ticket.

steeljack · 31-01-2008, 05:01

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Originally Posted by derekgas

I know a guy who is in prison for the rape of a 15 years old girl, but the true story is, she was in a nightclub, she went to his home with him and his mate, had sex with both of them then fell asleep, when she awoke, realising she had some explaining to do to the parents, she went home and cried rape! .

Sorry derekgas,... but the true story is ...... person you know in prison is guilty of rape, if the girl was 15 ...thats rape/child molestation ...end of story .

katex · 31-01-2008, 09:12

Don't know any details of this case, but from what I read she has only been given the right to sue him, will be interesting to see whether this bears fruit.

Understand your point Jambutty, but depends how deeply this crime has affected this lady over the years, financially and emotionally. If it has affected her working ability, or completely altered her state of mind long term, I think it only right that this rapist should hand over some of his lucky fortune. Would have been a decent gesture if he would have done this voluntarily anyway, as at least it would have shown some remorse for his crime; obviously he has none.

jambutty · 31-01-2008, 09:20

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

I think the first wrong was allowing him to buy a lottery ticket whilst in jail.

He wasn’t in jail but out on day release.

panther · 31-01-2008, 09:35

a rapist should not be on day release

jambutty · 31-01-2008, 10:09

It was attempted rape derekgas, which is almost as bad as actual rape.

But the whole point here is should a victim be able to claim compensation from the criminal after s/he has served the time if the criminal happens to come into some money after being convicted?

Mrs A received compensation from the Criminal Injuries Board. I think that $5,000 is not enough for such a heinous crime. Whether that was enough is a different argument.

More than 20 years ago I was attacked at my front door. I suffered a shattered nose and severe bruising around the eyes and face. The thug was caught, tried and convicted. I got £500 compensation. That was the end of the matter legally. I bemoaned the fact that £500 was nowhere near enough but it was better than nothing.

But the effect of the incident on me was that I had to have two operations to repair the damage and I lost a lot of time and money by being off work, not to mention the pain. The psychological affect is still with me today although not to the same degree. Time heals I guess – almost.

I do not know what has happened to the thug since then. He may have continued his criminal ways and be languishing in jail or he may have come good and built a decent life for himself. Until this Law Lords ruling the thought of chasing him for more compensation never entered my head. The case was done and dusted 20 years ago.

Mrs A is just money grabbing or trying to. I wonder who put the idea into her head? I don’t suppose that the media had anything to do with it. Would she have gone after him if, after being released from prison, Hoare had rebuilt his life as a successful businessman and was now worth £7m? Do people want a criminal to pay for the crime for the rest of his life? What if you were the criminal? Would you be prepared to pay for the rest of your life.

People should try to look at this issue from both sides.

Suggesting that it would be the ‘decent thing’ to offer additional restitution is nothing more than people foisting their own moral values on another person. I agree that it would have been a decent gesture but that has nothing to do with the law.

It will be interesting to see what the outcome will be when she sues the guy. I think that common sense will prevail and her claim will not be successful.

blazey · 31-01-2008, 16:15

All too often girls go home and cry rape after having drunken consensual sex. The fact that she was 15 in today's society makes it hard to come to the conclusion of rape when you consider many 15yr olds look beyond their age and do consent to sex whether drunk or not.

Some girls actually go out and trap men on purpose. They themselves should be tried for a crime in my opinion. Surely some form of psycho-analysis would be able to rule out a true rape victim from a girl who has consented to sex?

I find it hard to automatically detest rapists even when a girl of her age has been the 'victim'. Its just so hard to really know in situations where the victim has been drinking. Unless there is medical proof that an actual rape has occurred then how do you really know whats happened? Its too easy to convict a man when its his word against a 15yr olds and everyone wants to see him convicted. If there are witnesses then obviously its a different matter, but thats not too often.

Without being at the trial myself to see the evidence against the man then I cant say whether he is a rapist or not, but I do think its wrong to take something off him which he has gained whilst paying for his crime. To me its too much a matter of her revenge than his retribution

katex · 31-01-2008, 16:53

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Originally Posted by blazey

To me its too much a matter of her revenge than his retribution

Was sorta' going to say this myself Blazey, and who could blame her for feeling extremely bitter that Lady Luck has smiled on this dredge of society.
Think I would be feeling the same way, and wish to extract whatever I could get out of him. However, whether you agree she should is another matter, and not quite sure how I see it yet, but can understand how she feels. The law will decide at the end of the day.

davo69 · 31-01-2008, 21:54

if you do the crime doe the time thats the end of it ,not if you are still doing the time this dick should have been given is pound back and the money should go to rape victims,also this women should be wanting this money to go to rape victims she was compansatied through the courts wether it was enough or not .

katex · 31-01-2008, 22:19

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Originally Posted by davo69

if you do the crime doe the time thats the end of it ,not if you are still doing the time this dick should have been given is pound back and the money should go to rape victims,also this women should be wanting this money to go to rape victims she was compansatied through the courts wether it was enough or not .

Well at the very least he should be made to pay some of this money into the 'victim's fund' (if only the £5,000).. 'tis your money after all that helps to fund this. Might help further rape victims to raise the payment.

blazey · 31-01-2008, 22:20

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Originally Posted by davo69

if you do the crime doe the time thats the end of it ,not if you are still doing the time this dick should have been given is pound back and the money should go to rape victims,also this women should be wanting this money to go to rape victims she was compansatied through the courts wether it was enough or not .

I dont think she will donate it to any charity so I wouldn't bet on it.