what brilliant idea - Page 2

jaysay · 26-05-2008, 10:56

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Originally Posted by garinda

If the government really cared about discouraging young people from smoking they could do it easily, by banning them, but of course they won't because of the billions of pounds they'd lose in taxes.

Even banning them wouldn't make that much difference Rindi, lots of people I know who still smoke don't buy them from the shops they get them on the Black Market, and the government don't get any tax at all from them

garinda · 26-05-2008, 11:03

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Even banning them wouldn't make that much difference Rindi, lots of people I know who still smoke don't buy them from the shops they get them on the Black Market, and the government don't get any tax at all from them

I don't know where you shop but I can easily buy cigarettes from five outlets within a two minute walk for where I live.

Happily I can't buy smack or weed within that same distance.

cashman · 26-05-2008, 11:16

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Originally Posted by garinda

I don't know where you shop but I can easily buy cigarettes from five outlets within a two minute walk for where I live.

Happily I can't buy smack or weed within that same distance.

wouldn't bet on that bud, unless someones moved or in gaol.

garinda · 26-05-2008, 11:18

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Originally Posted by cashman

wouldn't bet on that bud, unless someones moved or in gaol.

I know what you're saying, but happily it's still easier to buy cigarettes than other illegal drugs.

jaysay · 26-05-2008, 11:31

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Originally Posted by garinda

I don't know where you shop but I can easily buy cigarettes from five outlets within a two minute walk for where I live.

Happily I can't buy smack or weed within that same distance.

Rindi I wasn't saying that I was saying that a lot of people don't buy their smokes from the shops but from people selling on the Black Market, they reckon that 40% of smokers buy theirs in this way. I only hope you don't want to buy smack or weed any distance from your home

garinda · 26-05-2008, 11:33

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Rindi I wasn't saying that I was saying that a lot of people don't buy their smokes from the shops but from people selling on the Black Market, they reckon that 40% of smokers buy theirs in this way. I only hope you don't want to buy smack or weed any distance from your home

60% of legal tobacco sales still manages to raise billions of pounds for the government.

magpie · 26-05-2008, 11:37

Just another go at the people who smoke... think the powers that be should concentrate on those who carry knives and other weapons.... ( but that would be too much like hard work)
if kids are going to smoke then they will..

They should also do the same thing with alcohol ( like they have in the states ) you can only buy 24 bottles or whatever:

emamum · 26-05-2008, 11:39

i doubt it will work, all it will do is make more money for the cigarette companies as people will have to buy 20's.. i also smoke less when i have 10 so it will also make people smoke more...if i have 20 i will smoke 20 a day, if i have 10 then i will smoke 10 a day..

Pendle Red · 26-05-2008, 11:39

I would have thought most of the so called vending machines were in Pubs & Clubs where Children should not have access to them

jambutty · 26-05-2008, 12:58

The only way that this government will stop kids from smoking is to stop everyone from smoking.
The only way that they will be able to do that is to ban the manufacture, sale and importing of tobacco products.
That would push the industry underground and only achieve overloaded courts, overfull jails and a serious loss of revenue plus an expanded unemployment register.

In any case alcohol does far more damage to our youngsters and as a side effect creates major problems to our nursing staff than tobacco ever did.

Vehicle exhaust fumes cause more damage than tobacco smoke ever did.

All this bru ha ha is nothing more than a puerile attempt to get us arguing amongst ourselves whilst the government quietly seeks out new ways of imposing stealth taxes.

Instead of allowing ourselves to get bogged down in non-issues we should be pushing for a referendum on EU integration.

pam1 · 26-05-2008, 14:24

jambutty i agree with there, u have put it in one

pam1 · 26-05-2008, 14:46

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Originally Posted by garinda

If they are to ban cigarette machines from pubs and clubs, in order to discourage underage smokers, are they also going to take away the condom machines?

We have the highest teenage birth rate in Europe, even though there is apparently ease of access to contraception.

whats condom machines to do with baning 10 packs of fag's, we all no the birth rate gone up and i think they should bring sex education in to the primer schools sooner.

jaysay · 26-05-2008, 17:00

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Originally Posted by jambutty

The only way that this government will stop kids from smoking is to stop everyone from smoking.
The only way that they will be able to do that is to ban the manufacture, sale and importing of tobacco products.
That would push the industry underground and only achieve overloaded courts, overfull jails and a serious loss of revenue plus an expanded unemployment register.

In any case alcohol does far more damage to our youngsters and as a side effect creates major problems to our nursing staff than tobacco ever did.

Vehicle exhaust fumes cause more damage than tobacco smoke ever did.

All this bru ha ha is nothing more than a puerile attempt to get us arguing amongst ourselves whilst the government quietly seeks out new ways of imposing stealth taxes.

Instead of allowing ourselves to get bogged down in non-issues we should be pushing for a referendum on EU integration.

Fat chance of getting a referendum on anything to do ith Europe JB, well not until we get rid of this government that is

Lilly · 26-05-2008, 17:06

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Originally Posted by pam1

whats condom machines to do with baning 10 packs of fag's, we all no the birth rate gone up and i think they should bring sex education in to the primer schools sooner.

Garinda is saying that if cigarette machines are aiding underage smokers then condom machines are aiding underage sex. Just because we take away the machines doesn't mean that these activities will cease.

garinda · 26-05-2008, 18:39

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Originally Posted by Lilly

Garinda is saying that if cigarette machines are aiding underage smokers then condom machines are aiding underage sex. Just because we take away the machines doesn't mean that these activities will cease.

Thank you.

As you just said, and I tried to say earlier, the principle is just the same.

This mealy-mouthed half-measure will make very little difference to those young people who are going to smoke, just as the banning of cigarettes in public places has made little difference to the number of adults who choose to smoke...though it killing off the pub trade.