Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

I heard on the grapevine that a café has opened where you can chill out and smoke not just tobacco. Is this true?
If so, what is the general feeling in Accy about this?
Is this subject appropriate for a forum? If not moderator, please delete!

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I think the subject is OK so long as its not advertising the place..

As for drugs.. I HATE DRUGGIES

Its OK saying there harmless blah blah.. By viewpoint is this...

The more people that take drugs then the more widespread it becomes.

The more widespread it becomes then the more chance of children getting hold of it

I have children. If i find a druggie near my children no mattter how harmless they think the drugs are they will find that drugs do harm your health.

Druggies... IT IS ILLEGAL!

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I'm with you harryx druggies are weak minded people they ought to face up to realty like the most of us and get a life. ( sorry if i offended anyone but i just had to say it )

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Totally agree with the above, however for your information there is such a cafe in Accrington, not 90 seconds from town centre

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Just to get the picture (I'm not around in Accy to make a judgement for myself), do you think drugs taking is getting more common in Accy than it was in the past?
Also, what about alcohol consumption? Are there still as many fights and alcohol related crimes as ever in Accy?
Some would argue that smoking dope is a better alternative to alcohol as it makes you calm, whereas alcohol makes you agressive. I don't really know my opinion on this, don't have much experience. I do agree though, that alcohol is very bad for you. I suppose dope must be too, have never tried it. I just wondered whether this new café was a sign of some kind of change in Accrington.

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Alcahol just as bad as drugs is an old and very poor argument.. Even if you do put it accross in a sublime way

Alcahol is legal and controlled

Drugs are ILLEGAL and not controlled

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Agree totally Harryx.

Alcohol may be bad for you but it is legal. It's up to you whether you abuse your body and other people because of it.

Drugs are not legal. When they are maybe we can start debating the pros & cons of one or the other.

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Alcohol is NOT legal in all countries. Does that make it more harmful there than in the UK?
Also dope IS legal in some countries, is it therefore less harmful there?
By the way, just to make it clear, I am COMPLETELY anti-drugs, just think there's too much alcohol mis-use around as well but people hide behind the "it's legal" argument whilst their livers rot away (myself included, this is not a criticism of others).

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Eating dogs is OK in some countries.  theres lot of funny things goes on in other countries.. You get yer hands chopped off for shoplifting .. I don't think we want to do things just because other countries do.

You asked in an English forum for an English own and even asked what Accrington folk think..

Well it would seem we agree.. Drugs are Illegal.. until they are legal then they are wrong...

Oh and BTW...everything is harmfull to you in the wrong quantity, So your second argument after comparing it with alcahol is also a bit lame.

Keep Accy drug free and keep it away from our children.

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Hey HarryX, No doubt you'll be off to the pub then for right old belly full of ale!! Bit touchy on that subject aren't you?

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No I wont be having a belly full of ale and Yes I am touchy on the subject of ILLEGAL drug taking...  Most people are... It's illegal... Yes?  

Don't worry. Penny will drop soon enough :)


Anyway.. Your dead!

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Hiya Harry,
sorry if I got your back up there, that wasn't my intention. I did (and do) want Accy opinions, but I thought it would be OK if I gave info from another point of view, after all this is a chat forum. At the end of the day, you and I are both saying the same thing, so far, the only opinion I've given is that I am anti-drugs, the rest were just facts to inspire thought from a more rounded perspective, I wasn't saying that laws in other countries (or even in England) are right, just that they exist. By hearing other points of view, we can finally form opinions, and not beforehand, otherwise that would be prejudice.
Shall we just drop the subject? I think we're misunderstanding each other!

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First off Jo.. You shouldnt really believe everything a dead bloke tells you. Elvis came to the wrong conclusion...I aint got my back up and I aint really that touchy.  I just have my opinion and on some subjects I will debate it to its death.. Lets have a heated debate said Mrs Merton :)

One thing you can be sure of.. If I aint in a happy mood then I aint posting.. So never think anything I post is in temper or riled or anything.. A MB as you say if for debating/discussing getting views over.. I didnt think it was getting out of hand and I am quite happy to keep the thread going until everyone agrees with me hehehehe :)

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I can see were you are coming from Harry, however people form there own opinions on certain issues, e.g. you are totally against drugs ( so am I ), however people do it and at the end of the day its there bodies they are destroying, no one elses and if they become fatally ill from it then they can blame no - one else except themselves. What you seem to get on this forum, is that some opinions are quite strongers than another forumist, down to one reason - the age gap.  there is a massive age gap difference between a majority of people posting on here, now not sounding disrespectful nor discriminating against my elders ( I have been brought up to respect my elders and always will ) but people off a younger age have different opionions to the elder statesmen or women. FACT, it is just the era we have all been brought up in ! A Different one thats all, my parents will have different opinions on issues that I have and my Grandparents will have different opinions to that of my parents.

Cheers

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No ones?  May I refer my good friend to my original answer? that BTW I even put in bold so ya couldnt miss it

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Fair point :), however changing the subject slightly, what about Gay / Lesbian sexualities, they more widespread this becomes, the more chance children having of changing theirs, now I have 2 kid's, and as God created Adam and Eve, he certainly did not create Adam and Steve, this issue even makes it onto soaps on the box and I dont want my kids growing up thinking it's OK - See Harry different people, different opinions

On a lighter note how did you get on at Barnet, good day? £15 to get in though a little steeep dont you think

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I find the bit about the age gap pretty patronising!

Are you trying to say it is only us oldies who are dead against drugs, cos I know a hell of a lot of young people who are!

like you said it is a matter of opinion, but not down to age.

And like you said again it is a matter of opinion and Harry is entitled to his, and to push it as far as he wants, just like you!

As regards the sexuality bit, you are what you are and nothing can change that .

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No Cazzer, not just the older ones who are against, I agree that younger ones are two ( myself included ), what I was trying to say was that people of different age groups have different opinions on different issues. Each and every person is entitled to their own opinion and I will never knock anyone for this as I live for what you stand for, freedom of speech and all that, and anyone and I mean anyone is free to air their opinions without being disrespectful to another individual.

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Your way off target ruud.. Sexuality isnt illegal.. The penny simply hasnt dropped has it..

If any of my children turn out to be gay then so be it.. Its not something thats a choice IMHO..thats how your born... Your not suggesting someone is born a sad loser druggie are you?

You can't get past the fact that it is illegal.. harp on all you want about sexuality, drink or anythign else you want.. there not illegal.. drug taking is

Thus..If its illegal.. its wrong... Dont matter how old you are..

Still not grasping that point?


HAHA Barnet yes:)  10 quid actualy and the four girls got let in by the turnstile operator for nothing... hehe I didnt ask.. she said can they fit under the turnstile.. I said yes.. and if they cant I weill force em under hehehe

so 10 quid for 5 of us... not bad... just over 6 quid for a family ticket for 5 of us to have travel anywhere in london.. all in all a brill cheapish day out :)

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just read cazzer and your replies

where is anyone being dissrespectfull or not allowing others free speech.. your making a mountain out of a mole hill ruud

I agree different age groups will ahve different oppinions on some things.. but the law says it is illegal.. it dont say but not if in a certain age group.. its illegal for everyone..

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Glad you had a good day, I do grasp the point about drugs being illegal, however by the end of the year cannabis wont be and on the point about sexuality it is illegal under the age of 21 for gay couples, we will talk about this against margate over a pre match beer !! in the crown

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Jo, have you seen what you have started, World War 3 in ACCRINGTON ! LOL :D

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homosexuality is not illegal under 21!
I have friends who would be in jail if it were. things have moved on ruud!

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On which point am I wrong Cazzer?

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[quote author=cazzer link=board=anything;num=1063011170;start=0#23 date=09/08/03 at 17:10:40]homosexuality is not illegal under 21!
I have friends who would be in jail if it were. things have moved on ruud![/quote]


this one!

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NO WAY!

Sorry but I dont fancy some bloke coming up to me in the crown and talking about the legalities of gay sex for under 21s .. Try another subject purlease :)

How about bringing that dvd list ya never posted me?  BTW have we spoken before?

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Fine, I did not see that post prior to me replying Cazzer, I apologize perfusely

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I think that the attraction in a lot of cases to drugs is the fact that they are illegal and these individuals get some sort of buzz from that alone, it would be interesting to see some figures from countries where social use of cannabis etc. is legal, I dare bet that the number of users has declined in these countries due to their being no "excitement" at the possibility of being caught. My personal feeling on the subject is that all mind and conciousness altering substances should be bannned, and strict penalties applied for posession and supply.

Re: Jo
 

Jo..Excellent thread...Seriously..... I do believe everyone else is enjoying it as much as I am :)

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Harry I will E - Mither it over to you first thing in the morning, no not spoken before, God cant believe how long this conversation has gone on for, just realized the time and remembered I have not actually done anywork in last hour or so :o

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Going home now, will let the rest of you debate this further

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I ahvent done owt all day :(  Went to the liesure center this aft on order of the physiotherapist to do some walking in water... then sat here doing mesageboards this aft... Accy supporters club meeting tonight... Looks like I will be working into the wee hours to catch up ... sigh...again! :)

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[quote author=HarryX link=board=anything;num=1063011170;start=0#32 date=09/08/03 at 17:25:04]I ahvent done owt all day :( Went to the liesure center this aft on order of the physiotherapist to do some walking in water... then sat here doing mesageboards this aft... Accy supporters club meeting tonight... Looks like I will be working into the wee hours to catch up ... sigh...again! :)
[/quote]
harry is that walking IN water or ON water  ;D

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From Brook.org.uk

The Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act 2000 legalised consensual homosexual acts between men provided that they are both 16 or over in England, Wales and Scotland (17 or over in Northern Ireland) and the act takes place in private.

The only offence concerned with lesbianism is that of indecent assault. Therefore, provided both women consent and neither is under the age of consent, acts of lesbianism are legal.

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Interesting topic, and one that I think no matter how hard is debated will never end up with all agreeing.  But that is because each person is entitled to his/her opinion.  My opinion is :  (If anyone is even interested)

First on the whole gay thing (that somehow ended up in a drug debate).  People are born gay.  Full stop.  You can't be made gay, or turned gay or recruited.  As someone said earlier, you are born that way and it is part of who and what you are.  And as Cazzer (I think it was, sorry if it wasnt) pointed out, a man and another man may engage in consensual sex from the age of 16.  Just the same as heterosexual couples.

As for the whole drug debate, this one is a little harder.  First off I do not promote drugs.  I think if you take them then you are putting yourself at risk, no matter how small or big.  But that is the individuals choice.  If they take drugs then that is their business.  
If however someone is promoting and pushing others into it then that is wrong.  If you are gonna do drugs, do them cause you want to, not because you are pressured into doing them.  Better still dont do them at all.
Then you have the whole medical debate which I am not going to go into.  Yes some drugs can help you in ways, but as with all things have a darker and negative side.
Personally I think it comes down to the individual.  I have been offered drugs in the past and have always refused as I have never sought the need to take them.  If someone feels they do need them, then perhaps there are other issues that they need to address first.

Anyway if that made any sense to anyone then well done and thats what I have to say..........  ::)

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Am i missing something here? :-/ :-/ but what on earth as sexuality got to do with weed smokeing? :o
Shouldn't a new topic be started?
like, (I don't know) Your Oppinions on Gay sex. maybee.
Perhaps i'm just tired and confused. Had little sleep. :(
The issue here as far as i can make out is Cannibis, weed, pot, dope, etc [smiley=smile.gif] [smiley=smile.gif] [smiley=smile.gif] [smiley=smile.gif]
Have got plenty to say here. Remember postin about vices Cazzer.
Well, lol I think you have now discovered my main vice. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D [smiley=smokin.gif] [smiley=smokin.gif] [smiley=smokin.gif]

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Just upped your user rating 78. Think your the only one here who is speaking with sence rather than feeling.
Your post is the only one to make me think, now he sounds like he knows what he's talking about.
NICE ONE!!!!!! :D :D :D :D

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I too have upped your user rating 78, quite agree with everything you've wrote.    ;) ;) ;)

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I know of the cannibis cafe, but don't know what it's like. Never been. Thats not to say I wouldn't go.
wouldn't mind going to Amsterdam though. By boat of course. Nice tulips too.

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RUBBISH and I am amazed so many people are congratulating you on that

It's ILLEGAL

What other things that are against the laws of this country should people be able to do and call it there business eh?

I am amazed that people advocate the breaking of laws under the pretence that its there business..

The next time some drug crazed idiot is drivign a stolen ford escort down your street while your kids are playing out will you say thats OK its there businss ???


Whats wrong with this sentance

It is Illegal

No its not there business at all.

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OH, It's perfectly ok for someone to get in their car with a skinfull and mow a child down is it. Just because they av ad a skin full. a driver is far safer drivin aving ad a smoke because a cannibis smoker is more aware of what it does and compensates for this a drunk driver. mm far more dangerous.
If you ask me there are times when the laws an ass and no Harry i'm not suggesting that people go round breaking the law. But if I had my way I would illegalise the demon drink and legalise cannibis.
I think at some time time everybody as broken some law of some kind.
Bet you went scrumping has a kid.
Tell you wat i would far rather my kids break the law smokeing weed than go off doing some of the things that are legal.

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eeerm no.. what brought you to that conclusion?



So your saying a drug taker is a safer driver than a drunk driver.. OK I might agree.. So drug taking and driving is OK based on that is it... I think not... yes I agree its better than drink driving but I certainly dont agree that its OK to take drugs and drive

Question.. Are you saying its OK to take drugs and drive ?????????????

Same here.. I agree with you.. Drink is far more dangerous than canabis... But right now canabis is illegal and I wouldnt want some kid driving down my street after smoking it... Would you ?? You seem to be saying yes..

You either agree with me that smoking dope and driving is wrong or you dont.. you seem to be making some sort of argument for drugs and driving by saying its better than drink and driving..

A little like I would rather be killed by a druggy than a drunk isnt it ? :)

haha are you joking? I ahve broken more laws than that and I suspect a lot of others have.. Now you sound like your saying its OK to break the law because others have.. two wrongs suddenly make a right??????

Oh dear... Personally I would rather my kids didnt break the law ...

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Just to put the cat amongst the pidgeons..

If drugs where Legal would I use them??

No... BUT!!  Only because I am an ex smoker and I would be worried about smoking canabis starting me off on the dreaded habit again... But under other circumstances Yes I would.


The point being its not drugs I am against. Its the fact that they are illegal..No amount of arguing/reasoning or whatever else will ever get past that point.. You either agree they are illegal therefore wrong.. Or you advocate people breaking the law and taking them..


Simple as that :)

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Well me to. obviously I don't want My kids breaking the law either my point is Cannibis shouldn't be against the law and drink legal. I know another person that uses the it's against the law when this is the ONLY argument they can WIN. Because something is against the law DON'T make it right.
I didn't say it was right to smoke and drive. Just that it's less likly to cause accidents than drink and PERSONALLY dont know how people can go out get drunk an d cause hurt and destruction then they call a Cannibis user who are peace full people Druggies.
Think not!
Take a chill pill Harry.
If a Cannibis user mixes weed drug with liquid drug thats when it usually spells trouble.
Go after the propper Druggies Harry I'm right behind you there old Chap.

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There law breakers. They are breaking the law of the land and should be arrested taken to court and dealt with..

Yes drinking to extreme is worse... But thats a poor argument for drug taking. Thats like saying beating someone up is OK because its not as bad as killing them

ANNE... Just checking.. you did read the bit about me not giving up until everyone agrees with me didnt you  ;D Just checking hehe  ;D

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SORRY Harry shouldn't call you old.

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When did you add that bit? :(

Good night Anne :(

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Oh Yes Harry. Always like a Challenge my-self. Nothing like a Good debate. ;D ;D
Like something i can get my teeth into. Metaphorically speaking. Havn't got any teeth. lol.
Oh, dear i'm going to use a phase of mine people can't get their heads round. Your the same has me but different.
Will say "GOOD NIGHT HARRY"
Need to recharge batteries.

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Quote "It's ILLEGAL"

HarryX,

we KNOW that drugs are illegal, the topic is not whether they are illegal or not, but whether the general consensus in Accy is changing with the times. Does the opening of the café imply that people (I know you are NOT, but people in general) are becoming more lax on the subject?

You know, one big problem in a "democracy" like GB is that we have a majority system, that means the everyday guy or gal on the street has *VERY VERY little chance to influence the law. It is even worse if people just accept the laws because they are law. Your argument is that drugs are illegal so they are wrong. If the contraception pill became illegal, or worse, breathing oxygen became illegal, would you stop JUST BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL???
I repeat, I am personally not in favour of drugs, but I am willing to listen to the views of those that are for legalising them, as I feel that some of their arguments are valid (for example, it could lower crime rate, take the attraction away from drugs taking and certainly take the attraction away from drug dealing).
Also, a question: is it illegal to TAKE drugs in England? I know *that it is ILLEGAL to deal, but in most European countries it is not illegal to be in possession of drugs for personal consumption. As this is a European Directive and England is in the EU I presume the same applies. If it doesn't it will within a couple of years, as European Law permits this time for the country in question to adopt the new directive.

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p.s. I'm so proud that I have finally initiated an interesting tiopic...... ;D

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believe it or not,I have it on good Authority that large pharmaceutical companys are looking to combine Marijuana in their drugs for bad eyesights.Apparently a tribe in the Pacific smoke it a lot, and their nightvision is up 38% better than a normal person.Agreee drugs are illegal.So is prostitution.Both of these have been legalised in certain European countries and the tax these countries amke on it are unbelievable.After all legal or not it si going to be done anyway so why should the government not make money on it.By teh way my sister in Burnley is a crack head so i do feel strongly about drugs.

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I do believe it. I also recall its good to help ease the pain for a number of illness.

I for one have never said drugs are bad for you.  I ahve quite clearly stated why I am against drugs and no amount of debating can get any of you past that point.

Jo we don't live in any of these other countries.. Either you agree it is wrong to take drugs because they are illegal or you think people should break the law.

Its that simple :)

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No Harry, it is not that simple for people who believe that we all should have a say in making the law. If people like you and I do not question the right or wrong of things, law makers will continue to do whatever they like without considering the views of the voters. In England this is particularly extreme because of the almost "undemocratic" first past the post voting system.
Also, I am not talking about other countries, I am talking about England. Are you sure it is still illegal to TAKE soft drugs in England. I am almost sure that possession for your own consumption is not illegal, and if it still is it will not be within a coupole of years because of the European Directive.
Harry, since 1973 you have been and continue to be a European Citizen. On the front of the your passport it says UK of GB and N. Ireland. European Communities model. So if we talk of Holland, or France or Germany etc., we are talking of coutries with which you are bound, as a European citizen since 1973.
The UK is bound by treaty to adopt and imply all European drictives, so the one I am talking of is, or is about to be, reality for the UK.
Anyone any input on the law for possession in the UK please?

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I agree

You keep reffering to other countries to back up your argument. I keep reffering you to the fact that we are talking about this country

Hmm I am talking about NOW and not in a couple of years.. I dont know if it is as you say.. I only know what I know...If you follow..As far as I know it is illegal right now in this country..

My question that you seem unable to answer is... Are you suggesting people should break the law and take drugs. Or do you believe that if it is agaist the law then you shouldnt do it ?

Sigh.. Does this really come under "I am not talking about other countries" ????  England is not governed by those laws.. You know that and no matter how many times you bring other counrtries into it (then say your not) you can't get past the fact that we are talking about this country and specifcly Accrington...Sorry but Accrington does not come under the laws of Holland or anywhere else

They may be bound to adopt it.. BUT UNTIL THEY DO ??

I am unsure as to the law on personal consumption.. The last i heard was in Brixton they where trying out a 100% tollerence and in effect turning a blind eye.. Wether them trials where deemed a success I dont know..  I doubt drug taking is legal and I doubt using a public place (ie the cafe you mention) to congregate and take drugs with your mates is legal either.. In fact sure it isnt..

The arguments so far are.
Others countries do it so its OK
Drinking is worse so its OK
Is not bad for you so its OK
blah blah

Most of the above I would agree with... That doesnt alter the fact that if its illegal then you shouldnt do it...

Or are you saying that right now.. in this time and this country you think people should break the law and openly take drugs... Are you saying that?? If not then your agreeing with me that its wrong to take drugs..

Are you ever going to answer that question ? :)

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Harry X
1) England is part of Europe and whether you like it or not, it is governed by European Directives so I am not talking about other countries I am talking about laws that affect all parts of the EU, including Accy. Hope the "Euro" has finally dropped, so to say.
2) Possession and personal consumption of class c drugs in the UK is probably already legal - I am awaiting confirmation form someone with more precise information.
3) If it isn't legal, then I agree with you, you shouldn't break the law. But then you agree that smoking dope will be OK in 2 years time when it will be legal.
4) If possession and consumption is illegal how can a café operate under the nose of the police?
5) you still haven't told us if you would stop breathing if Tony Blair announced it to be illegal. How can you influence the legal system if you think the laws are always right
6) would be very interested to know what laws you have broken, you said there were several. Why do you consider that some may be broken and others not? Isn't this a little inconsequent?
7) Please quote those who have said :
"other countries do it so it's OK" - I think I said "other countires do it" - didn't mention it being OK or not
"drinking is worse so it's OK" - Anne and I hve both stated that drinking has been proven to be worse than cannabis both physically and for society. Neither of us said it was OK though
"It is not bad for you so it is OK" - haven't found that one anywhere, please quote.
"blah blah" - of course there is lots of blah blah, it's a chat forum.
I have interpreted your arguments thus:
1) "it is illegal so it's bad - other illegal things may be done however and it will be OK to take class c drugs as soon as Tony B gives the OK"
2) "maybe it is already legal in the UK and Europe, but Accy is different, I refuse to admit that we have been part of Europe for 30 years"
3) "drinking is not bad because it is legal, even if it causes many problems in society, who cares, it is legal."
4) "I don't want dope to be legalised because if it were legal I would do it and would start smoking again. I am weak and unable to make up my own mind - please protect me with the law, otherwise if it is legal I will have to do it because it will be legal and therefore OK."
5) "the argument is whether it is legal or not - has the penny dropped yet? We are not discussing the pros and cons and opinions on the café or drugs in general just whether it is legal or not. Why don't they want to understand me"

And finally, yes I will answer your last question (again), I refer to ALL my earlier posts, I do not believe people should break the law and openly take drugs in England or in other countries as I believe it can bring about health problems (similar to those of tobacco) and social problems (though maybe not as bad as those caused by alcohol). However, the reason I don't think people should smoke cannabis is not because it is illegal, because I don't think it IS illegal any more. And if it is, then no, you shouldn't break the law, but if it ISN'T illegal, my arguments stay valid - I would not take drugs nor encourage others to do so whether they are legal or not - in the same way as I don't smoke or encourage smoking.

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IM staying out of this argument today, Harry will e - mail you later with list

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Aw, come on Ruud, give us some input, you must all be sick of just me and Harry posting, get involved, you're opinions are as important as anyone elses. Also, do YOU know the current law on consumption and possession in the UK of class C drugs?

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Jo
Thank you at last... As far as we know it is illegal therefore you agree with me it is wrong to take drugs in Accrington... Great stuff.. Glad we cleared that up :)


NEXT ? :)

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See, I told you we were saying the same thing all along.

NEXT:

1) "it is illegal so it's bad - other illegal things may be done however and it will be OK to take class c drugs as soon as Tony B gives the OK"
2) "maybe it is already legal in the UK and Europe, but Accy is different, I refuse to admit that we have been part of Europe for 30 years"
3) "drinking is not bad because it is legal, even if it causes many problems in society, who cares, it is legal."
4) "I don't want dope to be legalised because if it were legal I would do it and would start smoking again. I am weak and unable to make up my own mind - please protect me with the law, otherwise if it is legal I will have to do it because it will be legal and therefore OK."
5) "the argument is whether it is legal or not - has the penny dropped yet? We are not discussing the pros and cons and opinions on the café or drugs in general just whether it is legal or not. Why don't they want to understand me"

Please clarify above points. :-*

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Jo
WRONG (Bordering on lies)
I never said that.. I said I would take drugs if they where legal.. however as an ex smoker I probably wouldnt in case it got me on the smoking habit again.. what you just wrote wasnt even an argument.. it was a lie.. Please dont quote me as saying things that are lies

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

Oh come on Harry, I didn't mean to insult you. I didn't quote you saying lies, I clearly wrote "my interpretation of your arguments so far" in the same way you interpreting other people's from your point of view. I did not use a quote.
Unfortunately I have to stick with my guns on my last interpretation, while everyone else is talking about various issues regarding drugs, you return to the one same point. They are illegal. OK, we heard you, but can't we also discuss other points. I truly interpreted you in the way I wrote, it was not meant to be an insult.
Also, maybe you're right, we are NOT saying the same thing, sorry. :-[
You are saying it's not OK to take drugs until they are legal, and then once legal they are OK. I am saying, I do not support drugs whether legal or illegal. Don't want my kids to get on them even if it is legal. I quote you "No its illegal so its wrong to do.. not bad. other illegal things are also wrong to do not ok.. Yes when the OK is given and its not illegal then its OK"
We do differ slightly here, sorry.
Also, how do you do that quote thing? can't get the hang of it.

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

Hey, did you change your last post?
The first 3 and last quote have disappeared!! :o

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I ahve modified my response.

Its lies and highly insulting to try and make out I said or even think those things..  You know your losing an argument when you have to resort to dirty tricks like that.


-----------

Quoting :)
When you go to reply.. the icons.. its the next to last on the bottom row.. click that and you get an open and close quote tag.. just paste the text in between.. easy when you know how :)  Hope that helps :)

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

Harry I DID NOT QUOTE YOU, I am giving you my interpretation of what you said. In order to communicate you have to give a message, receive a message and interpret a message and in order to know whether the other person has understood you need to know what they have recieved the message (you can see this for yourself) and how they have interpreted it. I have to tell you this, you cannot know it automatically.

For anyone interested:
YOU CAN READ ALL OF HARRY's ARGUMENT(S) ABOVE (if he doesn't remove them) and make up your own minds. I am not quoting him as having said anything, simply sharing with you the way I interpreted them. For the records, here is your answer, I think it was a dirty trick to enter a heated discussion and then remove your part of the argument:

Quote:See, I told you we were saying the same thing all along.


eeerm No

Quote:1) "it is illegal so it's bad - other illegal things may be done however and it will be OK to take class c drugs as soon as Tony B gives the OK"



WRONG
No its illegal so its wrong to do.. not bad. other illegal things are also wrong to do not ok.. Yes when the OK is given and its not illegal then its OK


Quote:2) "maybe it is already legal in the UK and Europe, but Accy is different, I refuse to admit that we have been part of Europe for 30 years"



WRONG
If its legal in the UK then its legal in Accy.. If its legal in other parts of europe that doesnt mean its legal in Accy.. only that some people think it should be.

Quote:3) "drinking is not bad because it is legal, even if it causes many problems in society, who cares, it is legal."



WRONG
Who said drinking isnt bad? As far as I can see everyone says (inc me) that drinking is worse than drugs... But its legal.


Quote:4) "I don't want dope to be legalised because if it were legal I would do it and would start smoking again. I am weak and unable to make up my own mind - please protect me with the law, otherwise if it is legal I will have to do it because it will be legal and therefore OK."



WRONG (Bordering on lies)
I never said that.. I said I would take drugs if they where legal.. however as an ex smoker I probably wouldnt in case it got me on the smoking habit again.. what you just wrote wasnt even an argument.. it was a lie.. Please dont quote me as saying things that are lies

Quote:5) "the argument is whether it is legal or not - has the penny dropped yet? We are not discussing the pros and cons and opinions on the café or drugs in general just whether it is legal or not. Why don't they want to understand me"



And now your just plain insulting


Also Harry (and this time I do quote you, this is not just my interpretation, you said
[quote author=HarryX link=board=anything;num=1063011170;start=40#54 date=09/09/03 at 09:39:26]
The arguments so far are.
Others countries do it so its OK
Drinking is worse so its OK
Is not bad for you so its OK
blah blah

you still haven't pasted we the quotes in where you found them. Why is it OK for you to quote things that we not said but not for me to give my interpretation of thin gs you said?

Thanks for tip on quoting, hope it's worked this time. :)

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No, damn, the quoting didn't work, I'll try again next time.

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

Its this Icon Jo

http://www.accringtonweb.com/YaBBImages/quote2.gif

Paste your text between the ] and the [

Go on try again :)

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

So this is your honest opinion is it

Thats your honest interpretation based on me saying Yes I would take drugs if it was legal but then again no because I am an ex smoker and it might get me smoking again.... Based on that your interpretation is that I am weak and unable to amke up my own mind.

I say it insulting.. You say its your interptation..

Hmmmm..

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

Yey, that's what I understood and interpreted between the lines. You know every time we speak to someone they interpret and form an opinion of you. Usually nmost people never tell you that opinion, though, obviously, we are socially traineds in this way, it's called good manners. On this forum though I think it is possible to give opinions, because everyone is anonimous, so it's not considered an insult, at least that's the way I see it. I really didn't mean to insult you and if you prefer, I will keep my peronsal opinions of your quotes to myslef. No problem. Sorry again. Obviously even if I don't write my interpretations and opinions, I will still think them. I allow myself this liberty at least, but out of respect will refrain form ousting them!!  :)
Will try the quoting again after lunch.

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

Oh puuuuurlease....stop with the...I am not allowed to air my opinions.... dross..

You twisted my words..You know you did and everyone else knows you did..

I say I would take drugs if they where legal.. But then again probably not as an ex smoker as it might get me back on smoking..


What sort of interpretation changes that to.. I am weak and I have to take drugs if it is legal?  You twisted the whole thing around..

Like I say.. when you ahve to resort to underhand tricks to win a debate its time to concede that your on the losing side.. telling us its your honest interpretation is just going to make you look silly..

Anyway.. I dont get it.. You already conceded that it is wrong to take drugs while there illegal.. You agreed with me.. End of debate.. I win :)

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

The Waccy Baccy has been in Accy since the 60s, what's the big deal?..... It's the hard drugs that are the problem here.

Hugh.

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

Big deal?  We are talking the ins and outs of drugs in accy.. No big deal mate.. Whats up ? :)

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

Harry I think you are the one looking silly. There was never a debate on whether it's wrong to take illegal drugs - we all agreed with you. I don't remember entering into an argument on that with you. I did not twist your words I clearly wrote that these were my interpretations, not that I was quoting you. And you seem to be the one using dirty tricks - you cannot tell me what is in my mind and how I interpret things, interpretations are a very personal thing, as I said, I will not bother sharing my thoughts with you in the future if it upsets you so much.
Also, why do you have to resort to winners and losers? This is a forum, there is no end to the discussion, it is free to go on as long as people want, just because you don't want to give your opinions on the other issues we're discussing under this topic (are c-class drugs still illegal?, will they be legal in 2 years when GB is forced to adopt the EU Directive. What do people think of the cannabis café? Are opinions changing in Accy? Are drugs wrong even if they were legal? etc etc. If it means so much to you, you won your debate, whatever it was, so you don't need to keep replying.

Appeal to other users: does anyone have anything else to say on this topic? I would would welcome input (even from those who have different views than my own, I am very open minded).
Thanks!

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

OK, just to end YOUR debate Harry, here is an article which states that drugtaking is NOT strictly illegal. Please refer to 1971 Act.

Drugs and the law Quoted from THE GUARDIAN

Special report: drugs

Is it illegal to take drugs?
In the UK it is not strictly illegal to take drugs, only to unlawfully produce them, have them in your possession or pass them to someone else.
What does the law say?
The law prohibits possession and supply, with harsher penalties for the latter. The central legislation aimed at impeding drug taking is the Misuse of Drugs Act (1971) which divided drugs into three categories (A-C) depending on how dangerous they were perceived to be at that time.
What are Class A drugs?
These include heroin, methadone, cocaine, processed magic mushrooms and LSD. They are believed to be the most dangerous and therefore carry the highest penalties.
What about Class B and C drugs? Amphetamine sulphate (speed) is a class B drug. Class C drugs include mild amphetamines, cannabis, tranquillisers (such as temazepam, Valium) and anabolic steroids. ·
What are "controlled drugs"?
The drugs already mentioned are known as controlled drugs because of their addictive nature or where they are known to cause other social harm. There are nearly 200 named substances that fall under this category plus numerous chemical variations.
Some drugs have medicinal properties - how does this fit in with the law?
One of the most difficult balancing acts of creating drug legislation is to stop misuse without prohibiting correct usage, as the vast majority of drugs have medicinal properties. Sufferers of diseases such as multiple sclerosis claim to be able to use it to manage pain.
Within the current drugs laws are five "schedules", which list drugs according to who may lawfully produce, import, export, possess or supply them. For example, some class C drugs are legal to possess. Temazepam, for example, is a Class C drug, listed under schedule 4. It may be possessed, provided it is in a medicinal form.

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz..............

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

WAKEY WAKEY HARRY !!!!!!!!!!!!

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Sorry I was miles away.....All them drugs... Knocks a fella bandy :)

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

Yes, well ya know what they say Arry Lad. ;) ;)

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The fact that drugs are illegal do make them more dangerous - as no one is controlling how much of the actual drug is in it & how much is just filler (which can often be more risky than the drug itself).  Of course, if drugs were legalised - the government could get more tax money from us (lets face it - they be gutted if everyone stopped smoking/drinking).

And just because something is legal doesn't mean it's good for you.  Some company's put additives in burgers to make you feel more hungry & buy more food - which is why we are following America in becoming an obese country.  Which will end up costing the health service more money than Pot Smokers.

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

Obesity is caused by one of or a combination of these:

Inactivity or lack of exrcise - and that doesn't mean laziness, by the way, just not adapting to the more sedentary lifestyle we have these days.

Taking in too many calories for the amount of energy we use. -that doesn't necessarily mean greediness  either.
Glandular problems
Medical conditions

As for the burgers, we don't need to eat them!

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

Bloody Hell Cazz didi you wet the bed this morning up and about at 05.19? ;)

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

Cheeky sod! ;D

Always up early anyway. but was Ill last night and went to bed at nine.

Did ya miss me last night then [smiley=lol.gif]

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NO ;)

Too busy watching Liechtenstein play football, as England certainly didnt

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Besides, when ya get to my age ya tend to sleep less.

;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

I have found that been getting up around 6am
for no particular reason .
unless
i used to work nights did 18 years on nights
could have something to do with it always very hungry in the mornings :D

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Knew I was still a spring chicken. Don't like mornings and haveing to get up at stupid oclock.
Best to go to bed late and get up late. Can't abide cheerful morning people.
Thats why i work the nightshift. Dont do mornings if I can help it.
At my best in the afternoon.

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[quote author=ANNE link=board=anything;num=1063011170;start=80#85 date=09/11/03 at 20:37:29]Knew I was still a spring chicken. Don't like mornings and haveing to get up at stupid oclock.
Best to go to bed late and get up late. Can't abide cheerful morning people.
Thats why i work the nightshift. Dont do mornings if I can help it.
At my best in the afternoon.[/quote]
no your not ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

All right Late afternoon.  ::) ::)

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Well, apparently as of today it is legal to smoke cannabis and posess cannabis for personal consumption. It must not be smoked in a public place or in front of children. Typically, this law is open to interpretation therefore open to abuse by those who wish to abuse it. Personally would rather leave the stuff alone. Have been offered drugs of all classes round the pubs in Accy. I usually have a quiet word with the landlord to let him know what's happening in his pub. I have also threatened one fella with the police, if he didn't leave us alone, and although he was quite abusive, I am not easily intimidated. I see the sad effects of misused class A's far too often.  :-*

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

If thats right about this law being passed concerning the cannibis. Then the police may have more time to concentrait on arresting these morons. That tept youngsters into a life of drugs and crime.

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

It said on the radio this afternoon that even the police are having trouble interpreting this new law and will be able to use discretion. So if you have cannabis in your posession they can caution you, but if they deem that you are carrying enough to supply to somebody then you can be arrested and charged.  ;D

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

Cazzer that still does not change a thing.There are such things as natures law.And if we were all gay i do not think that the Creator meant for the world to go that way.
What you ever gonna do if you all meet an homosexual , male or female, that is ****ed and stoned out of their heads.You will be debating until doom day.The whole point is as you all say drugs are illegal, ok and if cannabis is made legal tomorrow will that all of a sudden change your minds on the subject. As in now its legal it does not bother me anymore?

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

Jo you and me have a good understanding.Try to stop winding people up eh?

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

Harry X.That alchol is legal is only on paper.I have never seen a landlord refuse somebody a drink when they have blatantly raeched well over their limit.Also i ahve never seen a landlord take somebodies car Keys off them when they have drank more than 2 pints.Legally they should have to as if they are responsible for serving then the publican must be held responsible for how the customer gets home.In at least 4 European Countries this is law.And i feel a very good one

Re: Waccy Baccy in Accy
 

Just because you havent seen it dont mean it dont happen.. and NO the landlord isnt responsible for how a customer gets home in this country.

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All in all if its legal then you could do it if you wanted.If its illegal then you should not be doing it.It all boils down to a choice.Can i or can i not.As to wether you do it  is your own choice.If it is illegal then somebody is taking the choice off you.

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And as for obesity watch Sky News.They had a report on Obesity this wekk, very interesting.It is all an hormone imbalance that is genetically passed on.The scientists are looking in to this and hope to be bringing out a medicine in the next 2 years to put the imbalance in order.

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Were on earth as this obesity bit come from? Thought this posting about waccy baccy.  ??? ??
Perhaps my mind is befuddled with being up all night.

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The goverment should make up it's mind either cannabis is legal or it is'nt it's an inbetween law as it stands now. seem's to me that what the law cannot control then make it legal, just to save money and time in the courts. by the way i am totaly against drug abuse it does not just affect the users life.

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Well said Janet..Have a rating point on me :)

All this rubish about them being allowed to make up there own mind and allowed to do what they want....

Twaddle!