Originally Posted by JEFF (Post 702505)

In today's Lancashire Telegraph Jimmy Bell appears to be defending Cav by saying he only had a £5 accumulator and shouldn't be crucified - I thought Cav had also been charged with betting on a Stanley game this season and betting on other league two games. Bell also appears to be blaming the FA for making this public. I don't agree with having a protest on Monday - we NEED to win the game, but I do agree that Cav and Rocky shouldn't play even if they haven't been found guilty. Any defensive slip by either of them will result in the fans saying that they must have had a bet on the game. Drop them until the FA hearing but please don't play Jay Bell. For once nearly everybody on this forum is in agreement, it just goes to prove that we all have the interests of Stanley at heart.

Originally Posted by K-P (Post 702456)

OK I am guesing that your all so wound up that your not going to appreciate the following so I will add my dissclaimer first... If they did do what they are accused of then I agree with everything said.. I have very strong views on this for all the same reasons most of you have.

BUT some of you are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5

The players have NOT and I repeat NOT been accused of match fixing.. Nowhere has anyone said they have tried to fix a match and nowhere is the FA the Club or anyone else other than Internet users (yes not just accyweb) suggesting they have done anything to change the outcome of a match

The players are accused of betting against the team they play for... something as I say I have equally strong views about and am still disgusted now at the thought... But to accuse them of match fixing could lead you and/or this messageboard open to ...well you know.

Betting against your team is a mortal sin for a footballer as far as i am concerned ... But it isn't match fixing as most seem to assume.

Sorry for saying it.. But I believe it had to be said :)

Originally Posted by baldy (Post 702539)

4. I will be there on monday.

5. Players come and go from a club but the fans still stay and the club need your support more than ever, support YOUR club not the players!!

Originally Posted by Redraine (Post 702536)

I do understand where you are coming from Kipax, but surely the only point of the regulations is that betting on matches IMPLIES that results could be affected. Otherwise, what are the rules there for? Or have I missed something?

Originally Posted by K-P (Post 702545)

there you go then.. you said it yourself.. IMPLIES .. thats a lot different than did.. :)

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 702529)

well aint seen it yet, but if thats the case, jimmy bell is misguidedly saying its ok fer the Club Captain to bet against his club?:confused: also its saying he "DID" make the bet, not wait until the verdict.:mad:

Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 702521)

If indeed that's what Revived Red is motioning his legally subtle conspiracy stick at. :)

Originally Posted by Mr Matthew (Post 702562)

do we want somebody who thinks were gonna lose against opponents with equal ability playing for us. I don't!!!

Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 702554)

He says that Cav told him he can not remember putting the bet on! And the Betting shops did not pay out anyway it said in the LET yesterday because they had to inform the FA

Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 702617)

The betting odds at the time of the match were 2/1 for a Bury away win which would have doubled the money of anyone who placed a bet.

Originally Posted by Tommy McQueen (Post 702647)

Jimmy Bell is foolishly trying to protect Cav. What does it matter if the bet was £5 or 5p he should still have anough integrity not to bet against his own Club losing, this action does'nt bring out a feeling of loyalty to his wage paying employers. Jimmy you are misguided in what you are saying. The fans are extremely upset by these revelations, and rightly so. No one is saying Cav was match fixing, but to bet on your own team getting beat, especially if he was playing is highly suspect. I hope your comments don't return to bite you.

Originally Posted by Revived Red

Does anyone have a link to the quote in the LET?

Originally Posted by Outback Ozzy (Post 702663)

What a foolish man our esteemed assistant is. You cannot defend the alleged indefensible. As a player you are not allowed to bet on any football games in the Football League, regardless of whether they can sway the outcome or not. I notice, as well, he has either forgotten or just not bothered to mention the alleged bets Cavanagh has placed this season. Curious. Sorry Jimmy but this is the second time you have boobed in the press this season (remember the Luton debacle earlier this season) time to put a gagging order on you from the board of the club.

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 702686)

Oh, if only ConfGuide was still running. What a riot!! :D

Originally Posted by Willie Miller (Post 702695)

It is still running .......

Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 702675)

Why though! Everyone wants the club to speak the truth! So Jimmy was speaking how he feels! Like Wille Miller said why speak some fake blah blah! He could of said some false stuff which would of kept people happy but hes spoke the truth like we all have on this matter.

Originally Posted by yerself (Post 702657)

Originally Posted by Revived Red (Post 702731)

He has also more or less confirmed Cav's guilt.

A diplomatic blunder of the highest order.

I wonder if his words were checked by anyone else at the club? Or by the club's lawyers?

Originally Posted by baldy (Post 702743)

Funny how Proctor has filled in for Cavs bit in the Observer this week. Surely it was Cavs only chance to have hes say before the two games this weekend.

Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 702675)

Why though! Everyone wants the club to speak the truth! So Jimmy was speaking how he feels! Like Wille Miller said why speak some fake blah blah! He could of said some false stuff which would of kept people happy but hes spoke the truth like we all have on this matter.

Originally Posted by Grimps (Post 703019)

end of the day you bet you loses.

Originally Posted by mab (Post 702985)

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/FGB.gifProcter in plea to angry Stanley fans Lancashire Telegraph - Accrington Stanley

Originally Posted by harwood red (Post 703049)

I have to disagree with norman the wangler though. Why penalise the club, they didn't put the bet on, yes I know our money pays these players wages.. but I just get the feeling it's like shooting yourself in the foot by not going anymore. We love Accrington Stanley not just one or two players!!!!!

Originally Posted by sausage butty (Post 703064)

IMHO innocent until proven guilty . nothing has been proved yet as far as im aware.

Originally Posted by Mr Matthew (Post 703095)

Vote with your feet and therefore your wallets.

Whilst these 2 play, hit Em where it hurts. Action speaks louder than words.

Silence is golden. On this issue the club has to listen.

Originally Posted by madkev (Post 702137)

You must come to Cleethorpes.Willy's pub is waiting with your pints on the bar for you :D

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 703125)

Right, sod it. Been contemplating this in the pub for a few hours and decided that, although I think the club are totally wrong in not suspending the players until their innocence or guilt is proved, at the end of the day, it's OUR club, so I'm off to the seaside tomorrow.

Then again, might decide to register my protest by staying in Willy's bar all afternoon...I'll see how I feel tomorrow. ;)

Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 703126)

I've just been checking on this to and I wouldn't get back home until midnight, the trains are a joke.:(

It's the 40 minute wait at Salford Crescent at 10pm that puts me off.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 703125)

Right, sod it. Been contemplating this in the pub for a few hours and decided that, although I think the club are totally wrong in not suspending the players until their innocence or guilt is proved, at the end of the day, it's OUR club, so I'm off to the seaside tomorrow.

Then again, might decide to register my protest by staying in Willy's bar all afternoon...I'll see how I feel tomorrow. ;)

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 703075)

i must have missed summat here,its not about innocent or guilty, its about suspension with pay until the whole sorry thing is sorted. the point seems to have gone oer yer head completely.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by madkev (Post 703139)

Hope we can get the points tommorow so it will make your journey and your beer taste a hundred times better:D

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 703141)

I suppose what they have been accused of is gross misconduct. In any other employment they would have been suspended on full pay pending an investigation. It is possible that even if they are found guilty and dismissed they may have a case against the club for not following proper procedure. Would be rather upsetting if they ended up guilty, sacked and received compensation from the club.

I have seen it happen before :mad:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 703141)

I suppose what they have been accused of is gross misconduct. In any other employment they would have been suspended on full pay pending an investigation. It is possible that even if they are found guilty and dismissed they may have a case against the club for not following proper procedure. Would be rather upsetting if they ended up guilty, sacked and received compensation from the club.

I have seen it happen before :mad:

Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 703172)

I think thats why they have not done anything yet!

Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 703181)

I am yes i thought he ment that the club has not suspened them on full pay incase they can make a claim or something! and cost the club alot of money! Sorry :eek:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 703219)

thats interesting mab, hope he sees sense, then i can come on monday.

Originally Posted by Doug (Post 703317)

Well,gret big dangly things come to mind; or as Mr. Whalley would say "BOLLOCKS" only with a bit more eloquence.

The club needs to review its disciplinary policy and procedures……

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 703331)

oh i agree Doug, but its n undeniable fact to me, that a weakened team could give n unfair advantage to some sides in the mire or promotion mix, so i gotta give E.W. top marks fer being a devious get.;)

Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 703312)

I agree with the statement let them play until 23rd than if found guilty than i think we will know what will happen!

Originally Posted by Legend in My Time (Post 703350)

completely agree, they put a few bob on stanley to lose but in my opinion, they have shown 8 and 10 years of commitment to the club and they're out of contract at the end of the season, so instead of them leaving the club that they've cherished since way yonder being hated, let them finish their contracts, if they get that far that is after the final decision on the 23rd.

Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 703359)

I think the club are right not to invoke a formal suspension on the players. It should always be up to the manager to make the right decisions with regards to team selection.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 703356)

if they have bet against the club, saying they have cherished it is RIDICULOUS.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Stanleymad (Post 703383)

Posted via Mobile Device. Oh dear they are playing

Originally Posted by mab (Post 703267)

Club makes statement ,check out the fishy site...