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10 years of service and to be 'released' without even a phone call to confirm the situation (according to Williams), then yes it is a sad end to his time at Stanley.
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Good luck Rocky. Thanks for the service through the golden times.
It's sad that his tenure has ended the way it has. Playing (rather well) at left-back at the end of last season after the accusations came out took some guts. All the best, Jodie. |
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:) No room for sentiment in football,as you say TM sad that his career at stanleys ended this way but like i've already said hes been a fool to him self and the club,having said that i wish him well and thank him for what hes done for Accrington Stanley in is part of the rise to the football league:)
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Regardless of his stupidity (or not) he has been a servant for Stanley and I wish him all the best for the future. IF he is found not guilty then I feel one or two will be some what embarrassed, but it is IF??
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Rocky will be found guilty, he won't even ending up facing a disciplinary committee, he will be exonerated before then.
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well if you know the result pete, whats the point of it all?:rolleyes:
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banned for a year
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TheFA.com - FA statement Cav's case to be heard at a later date. |
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There seems to be a sliding scale operating here, with £5k = a 12 month ban, £4k = 10, £3½k = 8 etc. I remember that there was something else that Cav was being charged with but, at this rate, he may escape with a fine and a slap on the wrist.
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At the fans' forum, Coley said that Cav had also been charged with another betting incident, where he'd bet on Stanley to win.
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if he does get found guilty the new owners will get rid thats a fact.
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Williams was a trialist in their home defeat v Morecambe according to this
Former Southport FC player Robert Williams banned in Accrington Stanley betting scandal - Southport Visiter |
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I think the club should get rid of Cav, I rate him as a right back at this level, but he lied to the club about the betting incident.
He is also attached to the scandal and we must start a fresh. The person who comes out worst through this whole ordeal is Coleman. He trusted these players; he has brought a lot of them on in their careers and has defended them when their performances have been questionable. For the players to lie to him about such a serious issue makes you question weather or not the respect and loyalty was there in return (or alternatively, Coleman was covering it up which opens a whole new can of worms). I hope Coleman has learnt from this, his loyalty while admirable has left him wanting in return. It makes Rockys comments to the press before the verdict about 'being let down by the club after 10 years' a laughing stock. The guy clearly doesn’t understand the serious nature of his offence and the way he has destroyed any credibility he has had with Accrington fans. In the future it will be Williams who? |
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(And I'm still waiting for the FA's ruling on Cav, even if that makes me an appeaser :)) |
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Coley has had a lot to put up with over the last couple of years, I think keeping his head down and producing the best team he's capable of, given the circumstances, is all he could do. And he's whet every Stanley fans appetite for the forthcoming season. So Dave 007, why don't you do one, wouldn't be the first time. :p |
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sorry guys I think the post has been misinterpreted. I thought the post intended to read that Coley had suffered the most through this and for this I would kinda agree.
When you go to work everyday and you run a set up such as ours, the camaraderie is one of the few things that you have. When somebody abuses that camaraderie the trust is gone. Whatever Coley may or may not be in terms of coaching ability we all know that he is the kind of guy that expects a lot from limited players, he coaxes them to produce more than perhaps they are able to give, and he does this by providing an enjoyable workplace. Somebody like Williams will have been a friend as well as an employee for the best part of ten years - and I would imagine that it felt like a partner being unfaithful. I don't think that he meant that Coley comes out of it looking bad |
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It makes you wonder if Ferguson/Bentiez/Moyes had the same situation if they would have got the truth out of them right away. I feel for Coley, over 10 years Williams was alot more than a squad player - he must have been a personal friend. He has been let down, but maybe in the future he will not let loyalty cloud his judgement. |
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When a significant proportion of fans have slagged coley and asked for him to go, I have always said he should remain as manager. :) |
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Of course, the internal enquiry is interesting. Who held the enquiry? Were they told the truth? If so, how long has the club known the truth? |
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i can think of 3 possibilitys, 1. Coleman felt Williams wasnt worth another try (lets be honest only an average league 2 player and now aged 29) and released him in some what strange circumstances (no phone call), 2. Stanley got a 'hint' from an FA source prior to the official release that Williams was guilty at the end of the season and no further contact to the player was made, 3. Stanley knew all along and kept quiet as they where short on players/money and where more concerned with staying up, thus kept williams on the staff and kept quiet until it was proven by the fa. Either way, it would be nice to find out. regardless of what comes out, we have all lost out of this and we can expect plenty of jibes this coming season. |
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so long as we stuff em, the opposition can jibe away.:D
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Mr Mannix's local paper on the story:
Mannix caught up in football betting scandal (From Northwich Guardian) |
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Is it today that Cav is in court?????
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Cheers Shaker :):)
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Bavs & Bobby Grant are also in court for sentencing today for their part in StevieGgate.
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I think everyone is anxiously waiting the outcomes a bit bum squeaky for those today :D
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Cavanagh may stay even if found guilty
Cavanagh may stay at Accrington Stanley if guilty (From This Is Lancashire) |
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Bavs & Bobby both given 18 week prison sentences suspended for 12 months & 150 hours community service - how can they be guilty when Gerrard was proclaimed innocent??
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guilty or not it was not the incident shown on cctv on telly it was for an incident wi the guy just after, so if ya plead guilty wi no film evidence that makes ya a dummy in my eyes.:rolleyes:
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No need to put some words in capitals - I'm not stupid, I know Gerrard pleaded not guilty. What I meant was they should all (including Gerrard) have made the same plea - as it showed in the cctv footage that they were all involved - and all been treated the same.
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Nobody on accyweb was at court and heard all the evidence, we don't know if there were witnesses who were not needed that could have given evidence against the two Stanley lads.
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For the record there was more than one incident and not all involved Gerrard. |
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If everyone pleaded not guilty do you think that Gerrard would have got away scott free?
Obviously bunged them a couple of notes to plead guilty. |
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.....as others have said we weren't there but we all saw the video of Gerrard.....and we will all have our own opinion on guilt or otherwise What we can't say is what Bavs and Bobby did or didn't do. I would add that at least they did have the balls to hold their hands up and say yes I did it (whatever their reasons for doing so). They have been punished accordingly (??harshly??) for being 'in the public eye'. |
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i don't think its harsh dabeast, i think its just about right, theres decent folk in bars when these things kick off n things like that ruin the night fer some, don't think a custodial would have been fair, but a "Bender" says if ya kick off again ya get bounced.
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Just been told Cavs been banned for 8 months . Dont know how true this is but cant find anything on the internet . Anybody else heard this?
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Rob Hays has just been on Radio Lancashire and he said he'd heard it on the way to the studio. Cav gets an 8 month ban. It couldn't have come at a worse time.
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Nowt on F.A. website yet baldy.:confused:
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Why did it take so long for Cavs case?
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It's been a complete shambles from start to finish!!
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Damn & blast - really thought that Cav would just get a fine & a slap on the wrist, as the others' punishments seemed to be on a sliding scale depending on the amount they'd bet. Gutted!
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I would suspect,that inlight of this decision,there was a lot more to Cav's case than 'meets the eye'...........Still no report on the FA website so am only guessing atm. The whole debacle has cast a cloud over our Club and I personaly am happy that now everything has been 'sorted out' perhaps we can now move forward and leave the clouds behind us. It will,however,be interesting to see what the club decides re Cav's future..............I think His position is untennable and as His contract has expired He should leave quietly.
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an 8 months ban, from now, or when he was first charged, or from when the others were 'sentenced'?
Could make a big difference to us, as to when he may be back.(that is if we want him... the fact he has been training etc. indicates that we do.) |
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Yep been told 8 month ban and 14k fine for Cav and new club captain to be announced tomorrow am...
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crap but out the door 4 him then rocky went so same to cav . most be more to his bets but . hes ban now so any tips for 2more cav.
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ta red, hope yer feeling better.:)
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yes ta cashy...that report only shows a £3,500 fine, in fact it says he's got exactly the same as robbie williams as in fine and ban, I think the difference with cav was although his bets were supposedly small it happened on more than one occasion
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They are making examples of the lot of them...........bans will be reduced on appeal but not to nothing!!
Am I right in saying Cav and Jay Harris played in the game..??? If thats the case they are very lucky its not much much worse!!! |
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doubt very much if they will be reduced on appeal jiffy bag, more chance of em being elongated,:rolleyes: i think they will be upheld,end of.:)
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Now that it's all be decided, I think it's time to draw a line under the whole affair. It's been a horrible year or so for Stanley and the club are obviously keen to wipe the slate clean and start afresh (see official site).
I agree with that. It is a new start and we can all pull together to make sure that this one doesn't go off the rails. ;) |
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Well said that man!! Onward and upwards from here on in, lets look to the future and not the past. :)
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Had more on this but Harwood beat me to it.
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I'm absolutely devastated. Can't enjoy the match today, glad we're not at home.
As with Coley, Cav still has my full support. I'm staying in complete and utter denial until there's official word from the club / the FA. |
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they are liabilties if they are proven to have bet in a game they played remember that guy in the sixties who got a life ban. no sponsor in their right mind will touch stanley until they have gone in fact how can you encourage people to go and watch stanley with this hanging over the club sorry but anybody who is found guilty should never be allowed to wear the stanley colours again there is too much sweeping under the carpet nobody will be encouraged to go and watch stanley when there is a doubt like this hanging over the club. if anybody at stanley was/is found guilty they should be sacked straight away any body else in their job found guilty of gross misconduct would be
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Cavanagh has been found guilty & should go! Time to start season with a clean slate & optimism, we have a lot to look forward too, hopefully we will get an official statement soon that he's gone.
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just been on 2br, club cannot give statement until official notification from F.A. all they have is media report at the moment, shaker its time to draw a line under this crap, to say ya can't enjoy todays game cos of it is nuts, i can enjoy it better knowing those who made bets have been dealt with.
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Only saying it as it is for me cashy. Can't pretend to be happy about any part of the situation. It's a ridiculous state of affairs. Too often people use this statement about the injustices against lower league teams but it's more than apt here; this really wouldn't happen to any molly coddled Premier League team. |
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Of course, but nobody knows how it's been 'dealt with'. Not even the manager knows if he's able to play Cav and the farcical start to the season that the FA have granted us can only be met with contempt.
Having Cav's hearing the day before the season starts was ridiculous. The fact that the club have received no notification of the results of the hearing is completely unfair on everyone; the club, the fans and Cav himself. The idiotic state of affairs is proponed further by the newspaper rumours. It all stinks. |
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Cashy you obviously think I'm pretty dense. I know that this situation wouldn't be apparent if not for Rocky & Co.'s actions.
However the subsequent effect on the club (which is as important as any part of this saga) has been made even worse by the ridiculous amount of inaction by the FA and it sickens me. |
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I take it Cav n Rocky couldnt get hold of Gerrards legal team? ;)
I think you can take it as read shaker that unfortunately our club capitan is away down the same 'Rocky' road (See what I did there?) :rolleyes: I see your point about the FA though - perhaps they dont work at weekends??? :D Jimbo T :horn8:blower |
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Aye that'll be it! As far as I'm concerned Jimbo, Cav is still our captain and until there's official word from the FA I'm in complete denial of this punishment rumour.
Obtuse as it may seem I can't accept that Cav is guilty. The proclamation of innocence, the way he came back to the club and played well in pre-season... Rocky didn't return to the club did he? That to me speaks volumes about Cav's situation. As I said earlier in this thread, it's silly to think we know the players after seeing them play football. However I'm adamant that Cav wouldn't have the brass neck to profess innocence, return to the club and try to cheat the FA. |
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If Cav was found not guilty, surely it would mean severe repercussions for ANY paper to publish a guilty verdict on such a matter? Well surely speculation by the press on any legal verdict is not good? WIDE open for sueing and libel. To print whatever they print once the verdict is made is up to them of course. My point being why would a paper publish a guilty verdict if the outcome wasnt so?? Just so the defendant can go and sue them?? I know the press are scum but I doubt they would be so stupid as to publish a wrong verdict?? Shakes - I hope I am so wrong its untrue and if I am I will apologise in person to you and Cav in December when I am over next for jumping on the 'guilty giuilty pointy finger' bandwagon but..... Jimbo T :horn8:blower |
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I don't know Jimbo. Any guess at where the the papers got their story from or why they decided to run it without an official statement to back it up would only be conjecture. I'm just hoping like you that it's rubbish.
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However I support the Club's decision. He must have been in mental turmoil and under great pressure yet he played a major part in the run that led from the Macclesfield win to clinching safety at Cleethorpes. |
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