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Tin Monkey 16-07-2009 13:14

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10 years of service and to be 'released' without even a phone call to confirm the situation (according to Williams), then yes it is a sad end to his time at Stanley.

shakermaker 16-07-2009 13:20

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Good luck Rocky. Thanks for the service through the golden times.
It's sad that his tenure has ended the way it has.
Playing (rather well) at left-back at the end of last season after the accusations came out took some guts.

All the best, Jodie.

mab 16-07-2009 13:28

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:) No room for sentiment in football,as you say TM sad that his career at stanleys ended this way but like i've already said hes been a fool to him self and the club,having said that i wish him well and thank him for what hes done for Accrington Stanley in is part of the rise to the football league:)

shakermaker 16-07-2009 13:32

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Originally Posted by mab (Post 728861)
No room for sentiment in football

Bollocks. If that was true we wouldn't have a club to support.

mab 16-07-2009 13:50

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 728862)
Bollocks. If that was true we wouldn't have a club to support.

:) I ment players come and go for what ever reason!!

VALAIRIAN 16-07-2009 16:28

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Regardless of his stupidity (or not) he has been a servant for Stanley and I wish him all the best for the future. IF he is found not guilty then I feel one or two will be some what embarrassed, but it is IF??

petegibbons 16-07-2009 17:35

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Rocky will be found guilty, he won't even ending up facing a disciplinary committee, he will be exonerated before then.

He is playing for Southport tonight vs Morcambe although there are quite a few clubs after him.

yerself 16-07-2009 17:57

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Originally Posted by petegibbons
Rocky will be found guilty

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegibbons
he will be exonerated

Make your mind up. He can't be found guilty and exonerated, it's one or t'other.:confused:

petegibbons 16-07-2009 22:49

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 728892)
Make your mind up. He can't be found guilty and exonerated, it's one or t'other.:confused:

Sorry Bud, i don't know how to edit my post. It should of read:

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Originally Posted by petegibbons (Post 728891)
Rocky will be found not guilty, he won't even ending up facing a disciplinary committee, he will be exonerated before then.

He is playing for Southport tonight vs Morcambe although there are quite a few clubs after him.


cashman 16-07-2009 23:13

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well if you know the result pete, whats the point of it all?:rolleyes:

Tealeaf 22-07-2009 09:53

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banned for a year

Tin Monkey 22-07-2009 09:57

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 730218)
banned for a year

Here's a more useful link

TheFA.com - FA statement

Cav's case to be heard at a later date.

MikeA 22-07-2009 10:05

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There seems to be a sliding scale operating here, with £5k = a 12 month ban, £4k = 10, £3½k = 8 etc. I remember that there was something else that Cav was being charged with but, at this rate, he may escape with a fine and a slap on the wrist.

Tin Monkey 22-07-2009 10:09

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At the fans' forum, Coley said that Cav had also been charged with another betting incident, where he'd bet on Stanley to win.

Revived Red 22-07-2009 12:30

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Originally Posted by petegibbons (Post 728976)
Sorry Bud, i don't know how to edit my post. It should of read:

Where did you get your information from? Obviously not a very reliable source.

JEFF 22-07-2009 12:59

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 730221)
At the fans' forum, Coley said that Cav had also been charged with another betting incident, where he'd bet on Stanley to win.

He backed Stanley to beat Dagenham but it was a draw. Even if Cav only gets a slap on the wrist, if he is found guilty he will have to go. The Club promised if any player was found guilty they would be sacked. If they go back on this promise a lot of supporters, sponsors and possible investors could lose faith in them

Redraine 22-07-2009 17:33

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Originally Posted by JEFF (Post 730252)
He backed Stanley to beat Dagenham but it was a draw. Even if Cav only gets a slap on the wrist, if he is found guilty he will have to go. The Club promised if any player was found guilty they would be sacked. If they go back on this promise a lot of supporters, sponsors and possible investors could lose faith in them

Careful, Jeff - don't provoke the Cav appeasers into action.

cmonstanley 22-07-2009 19:13

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if he does get found guilty the new owners will get rid thats a fact.

Haggis316 24-07-2009 09:13

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Williams was a trialist in their home defeat v Morecambe according to this

Former Southport FC player Robert Williams banned in Accrington Stanley betting scandal - Southport Visiter

shakermaker 24-07-2009 12:10

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 730338)
if he does get found guilty the new owners will get rid thats a fact.

I for one very much hope not.
Crikey, that must make me an "appeaser".

DAV007 24-07-2009 17:51

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I think the club should get rid of Cav, I rate him as a right back at this level, but he lied to the club about the betting incident.
He is also attached to the scandal and we must start a fresh.

The person who comes out worst through this whole ordeal is Coleman. He trusted these players; he has brought a lot of them on in their careers and has defended them when their performances have been questionable.
For the players to lie to him about such a serious issue makes you question weather or not the respect and loyalty was there in return (or alternatively, Coleman was covering it up which opens a whole new can of worms).
I hope Coleman has learnt from this, his loyalty while admirable has left him wanting in return.
It makes Rockys comments to the press before the verdict about 'being let down by the club after 10 years' a laughing stock. The guy clearly doesn’t understand the serious nature of his offence and the way he has destroyed any credibility he has had with Accrington fans.
In the future it will be Williams who?

Chimer 24-07-2009 21:40

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Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 730790)
The person who comes out worst through this whole ordeal is Coleman. He trusted these players; he has brought a lot of them on in their careers and has defended them when their performances have been questionable.
For the players to lie to him about such a serious issue makes you question weather or not the respect and loyalty was there in return (or alternatively, Coleman was covering it up which opens a whole new can of worms).

Sorry? I agree the players demonstrated lack of loyalty, but by putting the bets on, not by lying (what lies when?) But why does that make JC come out "worst"? To trust someone is worse than to breach someone's trust in you? By that logic, if your wife cheats on you that makes you worse than her!

(And I'm still waiting for the FA's ruling on Cav, even if that makes me an appeaser :))

Oggy 25-07-2009 00:06

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Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 730790)
..... The person who comes out worst through this whole ordeal is Coleman...

As a fellow scouser, and former Evertonian, like yourself, DAV007, can I just say you've always talked through your arse, and no more so than on this occasion.

Coley has had a lot to put up with over the last couple of years, I think keeping his head down and producing the best team he's capable of, given the circumstances, is all he could do.

And he's whet every Stanley fans appetite for the forthcoming season.

So Dave 007, why don't you do one, wouldn't be the first time. :p

maccawozzagod 25-07-2009 08:38

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sorry guys I think the post has been misinterpreted. I thought the post intended to read that Coley had suffered the most through this and for this I would kinda agree.

When you go to work everyday and you run a set up such as ours, the camaraderie is one of the few things that you have. When somebody abuses that camaraderie the trust is gone. Whatever Coley may or may not be in terms of coaching ability we all know that he is the kind of guy that expects a lot from limited players, he coaxes them to produce more than perhaps they are able to give, and he does this by providing an enjoyable workplace. Somebody like Williams will have been a friend as well as an employee for the best part of ten years - and I would imagine that it felt like a partner being unfaithful.

I don't think that he meant that Coley comes out of it looking bad

Chimer 25-07-2009 08:47

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 730937)
sorry guys I think the post has been misinterpreted. I thought the post intended to read that Coley had suffered the most through this and for this I would kinda agree.

I don't think that he meant that Coley comes out of it looking bad

Certainly agree with Macca that JC suffered worst and if that's what DAV007 meant, I retract gracefully ...... not how I read it though.

DAV007 25-07-2009 10:36

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 730937)
sorry guys I think the post has been misinterpreted. I thought the post intended to read that Coley had suffered the most through this and for this I would kinda agree.

Exactly.
It makes you wonder if Ferguson/Bentiez/Moyes had the same situation if they would have got the truth out of them right away.

I feel for Coley, over 10 years Williams was alot more than a squad player - he must have been a personal friend. He has been let down, but maybe in the future he will not let loyalty cloud his judgement.

DAV007 25-07-2009 10:39

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Originally Posted by Oggy (Post 730905)
As a fellow scouser, and former Evertonian, like yourself, DAV007, can I just say you've always talked through your arse, and no more so than on this occasion.

Coley has had a lot to put up with over the last couple of years, I think keeping his head down and producing the best team he's capable of, given the circumstances, is all he could do.

And he's whet every Stanley fans appetite for the forthcoming season.

So Dave 007, why don't you do one, wouldn't be the first time. :p

i dont know who you are or what your problem is, but you clearly havent read my post for the past few years.
When a significant proportion of fans have slagged coley and asked for him to go, I have always said he should remain as manager.
:)

Revived Red 25-07-2009 12:45

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Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 730986)
It makes you wonder if Ferguson/Bentiez/Moyes had the same situation if they would have got the truth out of them right away.

Let's not forget that the club was holding an internal enquiry anyway. Presumably the results of that will be announced after the FA verdict on Cav has been announced.

Of course, the internal enquiry is interesting. Who held the enquiry? Were they told the truth? If so, how long has the club known the truth?

mab 26-07-2009 10:05

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http://www.newsnow.co.uk/FGB.gifMatch fixers should be banned for life

Tin Monkey 26-07-2009 10:12

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Originally Posted by mab (Post 731234)

Quote:

All four correctly backed the surprise outcome
Lazy 'journalism', or what passes for it nowadays.

Chimer 26-07-2009 11:22

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 731235)
Lazy 'journalism', or what passes for it nowadays.

"Lazy' ? You're in generous mood today TM! 'parc' (anag) more like it ....

DAV007 26-07-2009 21:09

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Originally Posted by Revived Red (Post 731032)
Of course, the internal enquiry is interesting. Who held the enquiry? Were they told the truth? If so, how long has the club known the truth?

I doubt the club wish to disclose publicly any findings from an internel investigation. We can only presume the players lied to coleman/Bell/club official and denied the bets. I doubt Coeleman would have played or involved either Williams or Cavanagh last season if they revealed the truth prior to the FA's verdict.

i can think of 3 possibilitys,
1. Coleman felt Williams wasnt worth another try (lets be honest only an average league 2 player and now aged 29) and released him in some what strange circumstances (no phone call),
2. Stanley got a 'hint' from an FA source prior to the official release that Williams was guilty at the end of the season and no further contact to the player was made,
3. Stanley knew all along and kept quiet as they where short on players/money and where more concerned with staying up, thus kept williams on the staff and kept quiet until it was proven by the fa.

Either way, it would be nice to find out.

regardless of what comes out, we have all lost out of this and we can expect plenty of jibes this coming season.

cashman 26-07-2009 23:03

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so long as we stuff em, the opposition can jibe away.:D

Haggis316 30-07-2009 09:10

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Mr Mannix's local paper on the story:

Mannix caught up in football betting scandal (From Northwich Guardian)

VALAIRIAN 07-08-2009 09:44

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Is it today that Cav is in court?????

shakermaker 07-08-2009 09:59

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Originally Posted by VALAIRIAN (Post 734098)
Is it today that Cav is in court?????

His personal hearing is today, yeah. Great timing from the FA as always.

Good luck Cav.

VALAIRIAN 07-08-2009 10:13

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Cheers Shaker :):)

AccyMad 07-08-2009 10:32

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Bavs & Bobby Grant are also in court for sentencing today for their part in StevieGgate.

ukcowboy 07-08-2009 10:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 734103)
His personal hearing is today, yeah. Great timing from the FA as always.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 734127)
Bavs & Bobby Grant are also in court for sentencing today for their part in StevieGgate.


Could be an interesting day at the Crown................any ideas as to what time these hearings are?

Stanleymad 07-08-2009 11:40

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I think everyone is anxiously waiting the outcomes a bit bum squeaky for those today :D

JEFF 07-08-2009 11:41

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Cavanagh may stay even if found guilty

Cavanagh may stay at Accrington Stanley if guilty (From This Is Lancashire)

AccyMad 07-08-2009 12:31

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Bavs & Bobby both given 18 week prison sentences suspended for 12 months & 150 hours community service - how can they be guilty when Gerrard was proclaimed innocent??

cashman 07-08-2009 12:33

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Originally Posted by JEFF (Post 734161)

i read that, aint acceptable to me if that happens, very slippery slope to go down.:(

dabeast 07-08-2009 12:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 734178)
Bavs & Bobby both given 18 week prison sentences suspended for 12 months & 150 hours community service - how can they be guilty when Gerrard was proclaimed innocent??

Because they pleaded guilty

AccyMad 07-08-2009 13:12

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Originally Posted by dabeast (Post 734180)
Because they pleaded guilty

Yes, I know they did - and rightly so - but still think they have taken the rap for Steven Gerrard because he had the expensive lawyers who were able to get him off the charge. They were all involved and should all have been treated equally.

Bagpuss 07-08-2009 13:19

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Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 734202)
Yes, I know they did - and rightly so - but still think they have taken the rap for Steven Gerrard because he had the expensive lawyers who were able to get him off the charge. They were all involved and should all have been treated equally.

No, Gerrard pleaded NOT GUILTY, was tried and found NOT GUILTY, if the others had done the same they might have been found NOT GUILTY.

cashman 07-08-2009 13:31

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guilty or not it was not the incident shown on cctv on telly it was for an incident wi the guy just after, so if ya plead guilty wi no film evidence that makes ya a dummy in my eyes.:rolleyes:

AccyMad 07-08-2009 13:34

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No need to put some words in capitals - I'm not stupid, I know Gerrard pleaded not guilty. What I meant was they should all (including Gerrard) have made the same plea - as it showed in the cctv footage that they were all involved - and all been treated the same.

Bagpuss 07-08-2009 13:35

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Nobody on accyweb was at court and heard all the evidence, we don't know if there were witnesses who were not needed that could have given evidence against the two Stanley lads.

Bagpuss 07-08-2009 13:39

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Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 734212)
No need to put some words in capitals - I'm not stupid, I know Gerrard pleaded not guilty. What I meant was they should all (including Gerrard) have made the same plea - as it showed in the cctv footage that they were all involved - and all been treated the same.

Sorry for the capitals but some people don't listen, not you.
For the record there was more than one incident and not all involved Gerrard.

Nickelson 07-08-2009 13:52

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If everyone pleaded not guilty do you think that Gerrard would have got away scott free?

Obviously bunged them a couple of notes to plead guilty.

cashman 07-08-2009 14:49

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 734213)
Nobody on accyweb was at court and heard all the evidence, we don't know if there were witnesses who were not needed that could have given evidence against the two Stanley lads.

irrelevant baggy witnesses can be discredited in some cases, which then helps the defendant. ya gotta be in it to win it. shoulda pleaded not guilty.;)

shakermaker 07-08-2009 18:28

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 734205)
No, Gerrard pleaded NOT GUILTY, was tried and found NOT GUILTY, if the others had done the same they might have been found NOT GUILTY.

Is that just to you?

dabeast 07-08-2009 18:38

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 734305)
Is that just to you?

It is not at all just to me, but thats why lawyers make money......

.....as others have said we weren't there but we all saw the video of Gerrard.....and we will all have our own opinion on guilt or otherwise

What we can't say is what Bavs and Bobby did or didn't do. I would add that at least they did have the balls to hold their hands up and say yes I did it (whatever their reasons for doing so). They have been punished accordingly (??harshly??) for being 'in the public eye'.

cashman 07-08-2009 18:47

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i don't think its harsh dabeast, i think its just about right, theres decent folk in bars when these things kick off n things like that ruin the night fer some, don't think a custodial would have been fair, but a "Bender" says if ya kick off again ya get bounced.

baldy 07-08-2009 19:02

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Just been told Cavs been banned for 8 months . Dont know how true this is but cant find anything on the internet . Anybody else heard this?

Tin Monkey 07-08-2009 19:07

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Rob Hays has just been on Radio Lancashire and he said he'd heard it on the way to the studio. Cav gets an 8 month ban. It couldn't have come at a worse time.

cashman 07-08-2009 19:07

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Nowt on F.A. website yet baldy.:confused:

baldy 07-08-2009 19:09

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Why did it take so long for Cavs case?

cashman 07-08-2009 19:17

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Originally Posted by baldy (Post 734324)
Why did it take so long for Cavs case?

Beats me, they all should have be weighed off long ago IMHO.

Tin Monkey 07-08-2009 19:20

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It's been a complete shambles from start to finish!!

Now we have lost both our first choice right-back and captain on the eve of the new season.

AccyMad 07-08-2009 19:23

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Damn & blast - really thought that Cav would just get a fine & a slap on the wrist, as the others' punishments seemed to be on a sliding scale depending on the amount they'd bet. Gutted!

cashman 07-08-2009 19:36

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 734328)
It's been a complete shambles from start to finish!!

Now we have lost both our first choice right-back and captain on the eve of the new season.

agree shambles it has been, but have ya seen any confirmation T.M.?:confused:

ukcowboy 07-08-2009 19:44

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I would suspect,that inlight of this decision,there was a lot more to Cav's case than 'meets the eye'...........Still no report on the FA website so am only guessing atm. The whole debacle has cast a cloud over our Club and I personaly am happy that now everything has been 'sorted out' perhaps we can now move forward and leave the clouds behind us. It will,however,be interesting to see what the club decides re Cav's future..............I think His position is untennable and as His contract has expired He should leave quietly.

However much we might not agree,rules are rules.

Haggis316 07-08-2009 19:52

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 734328)
Now we have lost both our first choice right-back.

I thought Lewis Field might have had potential in that position.

KiTChener 07-08-2009 20:14

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an 8 months ban, from now, or when he was first charged, or from when the others were 'sentenced'?

Could make a big difference to us, as to when he may be back.(that is if we want him... the fact he has been training etc. indicates that we do.)

Jimbo T Hornblower 07-08-2009 20:31

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Yep been told 8 month ban and 14k fine for Cav and new club captain to be announced tomorrow am...

Jimbo T :horn8:blower

Grimps 07-08-2009 20:48

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crap but out the door 4 him then rocky went so same to cav . most be more to his bets but . hes ban now so any tips for 2more cav.

Tin Monkey 07-08-2009 21:12

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 734330)
agree shambles it has been, but have ya seen any confirmation T.M.?:confused:

Yes, Rob Hays confirmed it earlier tonight on the radio. I thought I'd made it clear.

Whalley Red 07-08-2009 21:28

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Originally Posted by Jimbo T Hornblower (Post 734350)
Yep been told 8 month ban and 14k fine for Cav and new club captain to be announced tomorrow am...

Jimbo T :horn8:blower

If that is correct, there really must be a lot more to Cav's case than we have been told. The top fine for the other four was 5k, so for Cav to get a 14k fine ... :eek:

cashman 07-08-2009 22:17

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 734365)
Yes, Rob Hays confirmed it earlier tonight on the radio. I thought I'd made it clear.

cheers T.M. if ya did i missed it.:)

harwood red 07-08-2009 22:31

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just found this Accrington Stanley captain banned after betting on his team | Football | guardian.co.uk

cashman 07-08-2009 22:37

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ta red, hope yer feeling better.:)

harwood red 07-08-2009 22:39

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yes ta cashy...that report only shows a £3,500 fine, in fact it says he's got exactly the same as robbie williams as in fine and ban, I think the difference with cav was although his bets were supposedly small it happened on more than one occasion

MikeA 07-08-2009 22:39

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Originally Posted by harwood red (Post 734413)

According to this, the fine is £3,500, not £14,000. It also seems that they other four are likely to appeal, as might Cav. Meanwhile, does anyone know what happened with Leighton McGivern?

jiffy bag 07-08-2009 22:42

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They are making examples of the lot of them...........bans will be reduced on appeal but not to nothing!!

Am I right in saying Cav and Jay Harris played in the game..??? If thats the case they are very lucky its not much much worse!!!

cashman 07-08-2009 22:53

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doubt very much if they will be reduced on appeal jiffy bag, more chance of em being elongated,:rolleyes: i think they will be upheld,end of.:)

Tin Monkey 08-08-2009 05:55

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Now that it's all be decided, I think it's time to draw a line under the whole affair. It's been a horrible year or so for Stanley and the club are obviously keen to wipe the slate clean and start afresh (see official site).
I agree with that. It is a new start and we can all pull together to make sure that this one doesn't go off the rails. ;)

VALAIRIAN 08-08-2009 08:22

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Well said that man!! Onward and upwards from here on in, lets look to the future and not the past. :)

Haggis316 08-08-2009 08:51

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Had more on this but Harwood beat me to it.

Outback Ozzy 08-08-2009 09:26

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Originally Posted by ukcowboy (Post 734332)
......I think His position is untenable and as His contract has expired He should leave quietly.

However much we might not agree,rules are rules.

I'm with you Pete, he should leave the club now and never darken the doors again. Sorry to those who think he should stay, but that gives the message that cheats prosper, which in this case, I don't think he should. It's his own fault, he got caught. Now lets draw the line under the whole affair and look forward to a new season with hope and and determination to show the world what a great club Accrington Stanley is.

shakermaker 08-08-2009 13:58

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I'm absolutely devastated. Can't enjoy the match today, glad we're not at home.
As with Coley, Cav still has my full support.

I'm staying in complete and utter denial until there's official word from the club / the FA.

cmonstanley 08-08-2009 14:08

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they are liabilties if they are proven to have bet in a game they played remember that guy in the sixties who got a life ban. no sponsor in their right mind will touch stanley until they have gone in fact how can you encourage people to go and watch stanley with this hanging over the club sorry but anybody who is found guilty should never be allowed to wear the stanley colours again there is too much sweeping under the carpet nobody will be encouraged to go and watch stanley when there is a doubt like this hanging over the club. if anybody at stanley was/is found guilty they should be sacked straight away any body else in their job found guilty of gross misconduct would be

Preston Red 08-08-2009 14:53

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Cavanagh has been found guilty & should go! Time to start season with a clean slate & optimism, we have a lot to look forward too, hopefully we will get an official statement soon that he's gone.

cashman 08-08-2009 15:08

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just been on 2br, club cannot give statement until official notification from F.A. all they have is media report at the moment, shaker its time to draw a line under this crap, to say ya can't enjoy todays game cos of it is nuts, i can enjoy it better knowing those who made bets have been dealt with.

shakermaker 08-08-2009 15:16

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 734636)
to say ya can't enjoy todays game cos of it is nuts.

:confused:
Only saying it as it is for me cashy. Can't pretend to be happy about any part of the situation.

It's a ridiculous state of affairs. Too often people use this statement about the injustices against lower league teams but it's more than apt here; this really wouldn't happen to any molly coddled Premier League team.

cashman 08-08-2009 15:42

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 734639)
:confused:
Only saying it as it is for me cashy. Can't pretend to be happy about any part of the situation.

It's a ridiculous state of affairs. Too often people use this statement about the injustices against lower league teams but it's more than apt here; this really wouldn't happen to any molly coddled Premier League team.

the whole thing as been a mess shaker n an insult to the paying public as well as the club, i'm happy its now at last been dealt with. and certainly happy the season is underway n stanley are equipping themselves pretty well so far.

shakermaker 08-08-2009 15:50

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Of course, but nobody knows how it's been 'dealt with'. Not even the manager knows if he's able to play Cav and the farcical start to the season that the FA have granted us can only be met with contempt.
Having Cav's hearing the day before the season starts was ridiculous. The fact that the club have received no notification of the results of the hearing is completely unfair on everyone; the club, the fans and Cav himself. The idiotic state of affairs is proponed further by the newspaper rumours. It all stinks.

Redraine 08-08-2009 16:31

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 734652)
Of course, but nobody knows how it's been 'dealt with'. Not even the manager knows if he's able to play Cav and the farcical start to the season that the FA have granted us can only be met with contempt.
Having Cav's hearing the day before the season starts was ridiculous. The fact that the club have received no notification of the results of the hearing is completely unfair on everyone; the club, the fans and Cav himself. The idiotic state of affairs is proponed further by the newspaper rumours. It all stinks.

Cav should have been suspended by the club- simple as. To blame anyone for "the farcical start to the season" other than the idiots who made the bets is simply ridiculous.

shakermaker 08-08-2009 17:00

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Originally Posted by Redraine (Post 734688)
Cav should have been suspended by the club- simple as.

What has the club's choice not to suspend the players got to do with a price of fish?
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Originally Posted by Redraine (Post 734688)
To blame anyone for "the farcical start to the season" other than the idiots who made the bets is simply ridiculous.

It took the FA long enough to bring the charges to the players, they should have endeavoured to minimise the effect on our innocent club. The organisation is supposed to be about fair play, after all. The FA have handed out a serious disadvantage to Accrington Stanley, when the club has done nothing wrong.

cashman 08-08-2009 17:39

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 734699)
What has the club's choice not to suspend the players got to do with a price of fish?

It took the FA long enough to bring the charges to the players, they should have endeavoured to minimise the effect on our innocent club. The organisation is supposed to be about fair play, after all. The FA have handed out a serious disadvantage to Accrington Stanley, when the club has done nothing wrong.

no one will dispute that the F.A. has been lax in dealing with it, but yer completly missing the point to me, it would NOT have been in the F.A.s hands if those who many had faith in had NOT betrayed club n fans by betting on those who paid em to lose.:rolleyes: blaming others fer their actions is ludicrous.

shakermaker 08-08-2009 17:51

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Cashy you obviously think I'm pretty dense. I know that this situation wouldn't be apparent if not for Rocky & Co.'s actions.
However the subsequent effect on the club (which is as important as any part of this saga) has been made even worse by the ridiculous amount of inaction by the FA and it sickens me.

Jimbo T Hornblower 08-08-2009 17:57

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I take it Cav n Rocky couldnt get hold of Gerrards legal team? ;)
I think you can take it as read shaker that unfortunately our club capitan is away down the same 'Rocky' road (See what I did there?) :rolleyes: I see your point about the FA though - perhaps they dont work at weekends??? :D

Jimbo T :horn8:blower

shakermaker 08-08-2009 18:10

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Aye that'll be it! As far as I'm concerned Jimbo, Cav is still our captain and until there's official word from the FA I'm in complete denial of this punishment rumour.

Obtuse as it may seem I can't accept that Cav is guilty. The proclamation of innocence, the way he came back to the club and played well in pre-season... Rocky didn't return to the club did he? That to me speaks volumes about Cav's situation.

As I said earlier in this thread, it's silly to think we know the players after seeing them play football. However I'm adamant that Cav wouldn't have the brass neck to profess innocence, return to the club and try to cheat the FA.

Jimbo T Hornblower 08-08-2009 18:17

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 734732)
Aye that'll be it! As far as I'm concerned Jimbo, Cav is still our captain and until there's official word from the FA I'm in complete denial of this punishment rumour.

Obtuse as it may seem I can't accept that Cav is guilty. The proclamation of innocence, the way he came back to the club and played well in pre-season... Rocky didn't return to the club did he? That to me speaks volumes about Cav's situation.

As I said earlier in this thread, it's silly to think we know the players after seeing them play football. However I'm adamant that Cav wouldn't have the brass neck to profess innocence, return to the club and try to cheat the FA.

Well said. Let me throw this into the mix.
If Cav was found not guilty, surely it would mean severe repercussions for ANY paper to publish a guilty verdict on such a matter? Well surely speculation by the press on any legal verdict is not good? WIDE open for sueing and libel. To print whatever they print once the verdict is made is up to them of course. My point being why would a paper publish a guilty verdict if the outcome wasnt so?? Just so the defendant can go and sue them?? I know the press are scum but I doubt they would be so stupid as to publish a wrong verdict?? Shakes - I hope I am so wrong its untrue and if I am I will apologise in person to you and Cav in December when I am over next for jumping on the 'guilty giuilty pointy finger' bandwagon but.....

Jimbo T :horn8:blower

shakermaker 08-08-2009 18:37

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I don't know Jimbo. Any guess at where the the papers got their story from or why they decided to run it without an official statement to back it up would only be conjecture. I'm just hoping like you that it's rubbish.

VALAIRIAN 08-08-2009 19:43

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 734636)
just been on 2br, club cannot give statement until official notification from F.A. all they have is media report at the moment, shaker its time to draw a line under this crap, to say ya can't enjoy todays game cos of it is nuts, i can enjoy it better knowing those who made bets have been dealt with.

Put it like it is Cashy ;):) If they have been found guilty, then they have been found guilty, like it or not - I am gutted for Cav, but facts are facts - like Cashy, TM and others have said ....... lets move on, the most important thing in all of this Betting, Stevie G, Taxman stuff is STANLEY...


ON STANLEY ON

Haggis316 08-08-2009 19:51

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Originally Posted by Redraine (Post 734688)
Cav should have been suspended by the club- simple as.

As a matter of employment law you might be right.

However I support the Club's decision. He must have been in mental turmoil and under great pressure yet he played a major part in the run that led from the Macclesfield win to clinching safety at Cleethorpes.

madkev 08-08-2009 20:35

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Originally Posted by Haggis316 (Post 734776)
As a matter of employment law you might be right.

However I support the Club's decision. He must have been in mental turmoil and under great pressure yet he played a major part in the run that led from the Macclesfield win to clinching safety at Cleethorpes.

Any man who can guide you to safety in cleethorpes is worth a go in my book:p

cashman 08-08-2009 21:27

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 734721)
Cashy you obviously think I'm pretty dense. I know that this situation wouldn't be apparent if not for Rocky & Co.'s actions.
However the subsequent effect on the club (which is as important as any part of this saga) has been made even worse by the ridiculous amount of inaction by the FA and it sickens me.

no shaker i do not regard ya as dense, think yer probably blinded or misguided on this but sure not dense.


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