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Please tell us K-P :confused::):) Not having ago just wondering..

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Depends on which he admits/denies... :confused: Betting on a match that you play in or involves your Team is not right :eek:. I think that the rules of betting on any match in your division (I believe to be an offence) is a little bit O.T.T. Personally.... :idunno: Just my opinion.....

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Just because, of course there is evidence so stop trying to be KP.:dummy:

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Calm down petal.

Yep, I can edit too. :)

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OK we know that.. But surely you have figured it out by now... i ask again.. why would that bother you.. a stanley fan.. or any other stanley fan?

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Because, surely I am not on my own in thinking that IF Cav has bet on Bury to win then how can a fan not feel outraged?????:confused:

If you are saying that Cav has not done that but has bet on other League 2 matches, well then he is stupid to get caught.......:dork:

Anything else that has happened well please feel free to inform us... :);)

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didnt we agree that cav is pleading not guilty to the bury bet? so lets not fixate on that one :)


there is another bet he may well get done for yes? I am asking why would everyone want him to lose his job, reputation and life in football for a bet which is technically against the rules but nowhere near the type of thing the rest have been done for.. especially when nowhere does it say that its a bet against stanley winning..

if you can come away from the bury bet for two minutes :)

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if he has bet against his own club of which he happens to be captain of as well, then he deserves the boot in my book. because its then a betrayal of club n fans.:cool:

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I have already posted that I think that it is O.T.T. to not allow players to bet within their own Leagues, so any other bets, whilst punishable by the F.A. In truth do not bother me,:cool: The only thing I am interested in is the Bury match, which if Cav is saying he is innocent of then I do not have any issues...:);)

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I think we are all on the same page with that one cashy :) I also think it doesnt matter if its a fiver or 5 thousand quid.. its whats in your head when your making the bet


But suppose he didnt do exactly that. suppose he bet on a stanley win.. he still broke the rules but does the punishment fi the crime? same rule broken isnt it.. I would fine him a fiver and say done be so daft

I think you will find cav is a whole different case to the others and IMHO the FA look stupiud even mentioning it.. but I suppose they had to as it was found in an official enquiery

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ya may think its OTT valairian, but its the rules like em or not, you don't abide by em at work n see what happens. that same thing applies K-P.

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I hear what you are saying Cashman :) Rules are rules, but some are silly.... And yes if they are broken well...... What I am trying to get at and I suppose I will have to wait until the whole thing is done (And maybe even then???????) is Why is Cav supposedly different to the rest????:confused: :)

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If he bet on Stanley to win, then in the F.A. Eyes he has broken rules, but as far as I (And I would think others) am concerned, he would have been foolish to get caught, but I do not think there would have been the same uproar from fans, Ultras, Etc. Do not think we would have heard the same booing and chanting if that were the case :confused::)

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i agree if the accusation was he bet on a stanley win,then fer me all he would be guilty off is stupidity. i would feel annoyed not betrayed. i would hope thats the case with him. but according to the media etc that aint the case.:confused:

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As far as I know Cav had a bet for a Stanley win on a game which we drew. He still broke the rules and the FA will punish him if found guilty. At the end of the day I don't think Cav is good enough for Stanley in the league, whenever the oppostition score he is always found to be missing. I think that Cav, Rocky, Grant and Dunbavin should be released at the end of the season no matter what happens, they are not good enough. Let's have a clear out of these Unibond class players.

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What's happend the Grant this year because last season he was the big thing to come through the youth system and seemed someone who would do very well for us and go onto bigger and better things but after his injury he just has not set the world on fire like he did last season! Still should keep him though.

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My point is.. I dont think we should be getting the rope out and looking for the hanging tree in cavs case.. i dont feel as bad about his case anymore.. presuming he is innocent of betting against us as i would favour..

Time will tell but thursdays deadline is just when theyc an appeal by...

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If he bet for us to win a match and we drew, what was his bet for the Bury game :confused::confused:

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At the risk of repeating myself, repeating myself :rolleyes: K-P, Why do you not feel as bad about Cav's case ??????:):)

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that i can agree with, but do ya think that being the case he should remain as club captain? cos i don't -still no example to be leading the team with.

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for betting on his team to win as apposed to lose... are you being slow or just not following young man :)

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S L O W :o:) Thanks for the "Young Man" Cloughie :rolleyes: Sorry K-P :D;)

No doubt see you at the Chesterfield game :)

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It doesn't matter whether he bets on his team to win, draw or lose, he has still broken the rules and will be punished by the FA and Stanley. My thoughts are get rid of the one's who bring us negative publicity, all four of them.

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This appears to suggest that its been a factor delaying the takeover:

STANLEY CHIEF UPBEAT ON TAKEOVER | Football Transfer News, Football News, Fixtures, Results, Match Reports, Stats

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whats worrying about that, is if there is as is quite possible n appeal, will it then drag on n on?

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The thing is cashy if they are found guilty then Coley has said they'd be fired, so if there is an appeal the appeal should be made by players no longer playing for Stanley, there is no way any inquiry can put any blame on the club, with the old premise I am not my brothers keeper, so any appeal will be made by people no longer attached to the club

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I would presume coley was talking about the final verdict after all appeals.. imagine if he sacked them and they won the appeal then the club would be up for unfair dismisal...

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If they are out of contract at the end of the season there is no need to sack them, just don't offer them another contract then there would be no 'unfair dismissal'

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easy peasy lemon squeazy then... and I am guessing thats what will happen ..but another good guess would be.. only to rocky and not cav

just a guess mind..

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That would leave us with Leam, Edwards, Bell, Murphy for next season if Murdock does leave! two of them players have missed most of the season injured so looks like will be bring in a few defenders next season, Hopefully Charnock will be one of them.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk...ence_is_clear/

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Don't forget about Chris King :)

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Did we know this?.... from Bulls news!

The FA have given Accrington pair Peter Cavanagh and Robbie Williams an extra two weeks to enter a plea on their betting charges.

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It's been mentioned a couple of times on Radio Lancashire today. Apparently they've all been given extra time to prepare their cases.

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Cannot disagree with the two he has backed :) Noticed the bit about Lindfield on the same page....

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Yeh neither can i! He has picked two winners anyway! Yes the Lindfield bit seems positive aswell! I would like to see him back next year if funds are available as Mullin will be back and Symes might be!

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Thought there were more in an accumulator. :unsure8:

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I don't like to say I told you so but here we go
"Substantial illegal bets placed by footballers last year on their own team to lose a league match are "just the tip of the iceberg" of a far-reaching, organised scam, according to several senior insiders from both within the sport itself and the gambling industry.


The sources have told The Independent that "large six-figure sums" were involved, but the full extent of the corruption is only now beginning to emerge following an investigation by this newspaper. The investigation in question surrounds Accrington Stanley's home defeat to Bury in May 2008, and has discovered that some of the Football Association charges against six players were brought on the basis of CCTV evidence showing players wagering large cash sums in local betting shops. Cash betting is thought to be a more anonymous means of gambling than using telephone or online betting accounts."
Betting scam is 'just the tip of a match-fixing iceberg' - News & Comment, Football - The Independent
for the full story, I'd be asking for my money back

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"There was no innocent explanation for the crash in Bury's odds. Pre-match team news cited Bury with key injuries and absences. Initial reports suggested the money for Bury came in after reports of a stag night scheduled for the eve of the game involving an Accrington player. But there was no such party. "That was just a red herring [after the event]," said one well-placed source. "The situation stinks all the way through." "

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red herring my arse!!!!!

tell the nobs at the posh paper to watch the granada docu that filmed it!

it was common knowledge for weeks.

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More pertinent is the link on that page to Bets, files and videotape – inside the 'Stanley Sting' - News & Comment, Football - The Independent.

It's interesting to see that David Mannix's wage is reported as just £80/week which, based on the National Minimum Wage at the time, represents just under 14½ hours work each week.

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The League Two club's small size and low crowds dictate lower basic pay levels than many clubs in the non-league game, let alone at clubs in the Football League. Contracts are heavily weighted to appearance money and bonuses, with Mannix on around £300 per actual game played back then.

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He played 13 games for us. Equating to £3,900. He must've scrounged the extra hundred notes he needed :p:p:D

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That must be bad that! Sometimes you can have 300quid a week wage and other times just 80quid thats a big differance

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BBC SPORT | Football | Non League | Scam fears over non-league match

No doubt Mangan will be getting some stick over this :eek:

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Oh dear, that will really put the cat among the pigeons.:eek:

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My thoughts Cashy to be honest, more fuel to the fire...

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Nothing to do with Stanley.

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ya honestly think the media will give a toss about that baggy?:confused:

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No, they will find a way to include us in their story no doubt.:(

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:eek: This is the bit thats worrying me :( (quote) Earlier this month, Macedonian club FK Pobeda were banned from European competitions for eight years after being found guilty of deliberately losing a match by governing body Uefa. (unquote)

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not to worry mab mate, can't see europe being a big problem fer a while.:)

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Only 5 years to wait for that 2014 :D

Coley and Jimmy still in charge! :D and still continue to do absolute brillaint year after year. :D

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Agree cashy but its the old saying (if you can't put your own house in order then i'll do it for you) and uefa president has said he aims to stamp out footie scams :eek:

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I know where you are coming from Mab :(, but I am trying to take heart from the fact that F.A. Officials where at the match and as we saw on that Accrington Stanley Exactly programme thingy, the officials saw nowt wrong with the game :)

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Greys Ath and Forest Green Rovers reported to the F.A. for unusual betting patterns on Greys to win after going one goal down in first half. Dos'nt A Mangan play for Forest Green?

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yep tommy.

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This is more on the investigation mentioned above:

Blue Square: FA investigate Grays v Forest Green | Setanta

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Whilst I wasn't his greatest fan (except when he scored against Macc), I can't believe Mangan would be daft enough to go anywhere near a bookies having been charged with the offence last year and therefore obviously under scrutiny ... surely not?

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From Forest Green local press

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So, it takes a local sports reporter to mention a connection that everyone else seems to have missed..

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sadly i doubt that MikeA, just wait see if this new thing develops.:(

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Government to take action on betting:

Government launches crackdown on sports corruption caused by betting | Football | The Guardian

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now i know sod all will happen.:rolleyes:

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All 5 will hope the same.:rolleyes: i just hope the "Truth" comes out whatever it is, this sorry episode needs putting to bed n on wi next season.:)

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So what has happened today? Were they in court? Or have they just entered their plee's???:confused:

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Should be on the "Fishy" site around August.:D;)

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It only got mentioned on the Fishy site after postings on here about proper organisations doing one.

I'm keeping my powder dry, but am sure the club will not come out of this in a good light.

But fair questions, RR, maybe I could add, what date did it start?

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2010 :eek::rolleyes:

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Good point Oggy. This is my suspicion/fear too

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Site seems down. :confused:

Try this, although there's nowt new
Players deny Accrington Stanley betting charges (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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well there is something new as previously we only heard that Cav was denying the charges - but ALL FIVE have formally denied the charges!

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What I am wondering is? It is only about 12 weeks until the new season starts, then we have pre-season! So when will this "Fiasco" finally be put to bed????

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Players deny charges

Friday, 08 May, 2009

FA receives responses from charged players.
The FA has received responses from five players who have been charged with breaches of The FA's rules on betting in football.

David Mannix, Andrew Mangan, Robert Williams, Jay Harris and Peter Cavanagh have denied the charges issued against them and requested personal hearings.

The majority of the charges related to bets placed on an end-of-season match between Accrington Stanley and Bury played on 3 May 2008. Betting companies in the North-West had reported unusual betting patterns in the lead-up to the match with higher than usual amounts being staked in particular areas of the country.

Four of those charged – Jay Harris, David Mannix, Robert Williams and Peter Cavanagh – were registered with Accrington Stanley at the time of the game while Andrew Mangan was registered with Bury. Both Harris and Cavanagh played in the game.

The charges will be now heard by an independent Regulatory Commission which will be scheduled in due course.-------------- [copied this from F.A. site valairian.]

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there is a similar case from the 60's when players had placed bets on the opposition, for the players the sentences were harsh but I don't think the clubs involed were punished

(from Wiki)
The FA only prohibits betting on a match by those directly involved in the game in question. In 1964, the great British football betting scandal of the 1960s was uncovered. A betting ring organized by Jimmy Gauld and involving several Football League players had been fixing matches. The most famous incident involved three Sheffield Wednesday players, including two England international players, that were subsequently banned from football for life and imprisoned after it was discovered they had bet against their team winning in a match against Ipswich Town. A similar scandal had occurred in 1915.

I apologise in advance if the this has been posted earlier.

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I am pretty sure this has been posted before and as also been said, the 5 who have been brought up on charges are not being charged with match fixing, only betting against the club. A slightly less serious charge, however, if found proven, each can expect lengthy bans and Cav and Rocky will be sacked according to EW.

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Cheers Cashy... :) Its that "In due course" bit, hope it's sooner rather than later...:(

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It's even stranger at Histon, but Stanley get a mention

EXCLUSIVE: Fears as FA widen probe into gambling after alleged threats | Mail Online

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From today's Observer -
THE FA hearing into match betting charges against Stanley’s Peter Cavanagh and Robbie Williams has been scheduled for Monday, 20 July.

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They will be out of contract by then,so does the club need to worry?As the case is against the individual?

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Plus the club have the reassurance of their internal enquiry. :rolleyes:

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Thanks for that Oggy :) Lets hope it does not drag on from there :rolleyes:

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Has anyone noticed that Robbie Williams is NOT one of the players JC is wanting to keep!!

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Oh no thats like the commentator's curse!!:D:p:eek:

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who as gone . and who as stayed

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Anyone got any updates about this?? I have been away from here for a while.

Are they still due to be up on Monday 20/7, I have heard they are going to be found not guilty and the charges dropped before the hearing, has anyone else heard anything??

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Hearing has again been postponed untill sometime in August,sorry but cant recall the exact date.

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Thanks mate, that would probably fit in with what I have heard which was that the charges were going to be dropped prior to any hearing taking place.

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August 7...........day before season kicks off at Rotherham

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Has this changed, as well?

from LET, last Monday: On the same date (July 20th), Dunbavin and Bobby Grant face criminal charges of affray for an incident involving Steven Gerrard in December.

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no one mentioned that at the F.F. Oggy, as i recall.:) was much said about the betting thing, but not that.:)

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Cheers, I actually thought it was all done and dusted.

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This may please some on here but I think Rocky has gone.

He was asked back by text to start pre season training but was really upset that was the first thing he heard throughout the summer. He's considering other offers that have been put to him, possibly meaning he can play at the highest level part time and further his career away from football.

Regardless of what you think about whether he should be in the team at the moment, for me this is a sad day. Rocky's been a great servant who has been with us since the Unibond and played a big part in putting us back on the map.

If it is true, I find it sad for me that his Stanley career has petered out like this.

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:) Ageed he has been a good servent but also a silly lad as well to place him self and the club in such a situation in the first place,having said that text messaging is todays way of contacting players and remember he is out of contract with stanley.although Cav did report back to pre-season training should tell you hes getting on with things:)my thoughts only:)

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My Accrington Stanley career is over, says Williams Lancashire Telegraph - Accrington Stanley

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It's sad to read this about Rocky, although it does say he's supposed to be training with another club soon. If so, best wishes to him for the future, and thanks for all he did for Stanley.

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Disagree, its only sad if he's found to be innocent!:rolleyes: