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Mr T 31-10-2009 19:29
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Folks and Stanley FANS

PLEASE PLEASE ACCEPT THESE FACTS

Ilyas and Peter are the saviours!!!!

Ilyas again THANK YOU!!!!!!

Unconditionally you answered the call, although you and Peter were never "officially" requested.

Ilyas cannot communiate with HMRC as he isnt "officially" the Club. However I believe a meeting between Rob and Ilyas has now given Iylas the details he requires to save our Club.

Doug, please belive, there was no plan B!!!

What more can I say???

Yes I know, THANK YOU ILYAS KHAN ( and Peter M)

ON STANLEY ON!!!:)

Pendle Red 31-10-2009 19:34
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That is the first positive thing to come from a member of the Board for months:)

ukcowboy 31-10-2009 19:36
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Welcome back MrT...............:)

Mr T 31-10-2009 19:38
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I am trying to observe from a distance!!!

If you EVER want to ask, PM me if you live away or talk to me on matchdays.

I think (correct me IF i'm wrong) that I try to be honest!!!!:)

Tin Monkey 31-10-2009 19:38
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Doug seems to believe that his dissenting voice makes him 'the voice of reason', when really he's just misinformed and plainly wrong.

I too tried hard to see where Ilyas was coming from, as his altruism seemed just too good to be true. However, over the last few days and having heard Ilyas speak on Wednesday evening, I have no doubts whatsoever about who the 'good guys' are.

Unfortunately the internet is full of characters like Doug, but as long as they remain well in the minority, the reasonable and sane people can just get on with things.

expatriate 31-10-2009 19:38
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Katie and Mr T

you are both correct. In the eyes of HMRC i have no "personality". their counterpart is ASFC, not Mr Khan or Mr Marsden. Katie. in the court room, in public, Peter and i said we would meet the shortfall. and that is what we are committed to doing. the only mechanical issue is to figure out what that shortfall is. The delay is not so that any director's mortgages can come through (I can confirm that we are not waiting for director payments), but for there to be a final landing on the PFA, and possibly a small amount from SOS fund clearances. I wish i knew exactly what that amount will be, but I dont. therefore my strategy to remit an amount no less than £100k on MOnday, and then find out what (if any) shortfall remains on Tuesday.

Is that transparent enough ? Perhaps Doug thinks that this is some sort of plan to push the club into administration. Or maybe i am harbouring some deep secret deal with Whalley ?

Sorry guys, I dont often lose my temper, but this thread, and Doug's gratuitously insulting comments went too far for me to remain quiet.

Katie and Mr T please dont think my angst is aimed at you at all. i also hope this answers your questions.

Mr T 31-10-2009 19:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ukcowboy (Post 759057)
Welcome back MrT...............:)

Never been away (honestly!!!):)

BERNADETTE 31-10-2009 19:42
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As a bystander in all of this (although I have helped the appeal in my own small way) I am amazed that anybody can doubt Mr. Khans sincerity. In fact I would go as far as to say that Stanley are very, very lucky that he was prepared to travel down to London after the way he was so publicly snubbed and insulted about his earlier offer of help.

Mr T 31-10-2009 19:43
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Ilyas,

You have always answers the questions posed!!:)

I hope I too am following your fine example??

Doug 31-10-2009 19:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by expatriate (Post 759051)
Doug. Your comments to me privately, and your comments on the board, and your (frankly) objectionable insults have gone too far for me to remain silent. You insist on assuming that I am "playing" at something. this says more about you, your state of mind, your personality and your own baggage. I have been totally and utterly transparent. If you cannot and will not accept this - and if you have nothing better to do than to cast aspertions even on the most straightforward of actions, then you are really even more of a sorry individual than your posts make out. YOu contradict yourself too many times for this to remain unchallenged.

I have noted here that playing the boards can be a double edged sword, but I have started, so i will continue.

You will next tell us about a grassy knoll, where there is a holy grail, surrounded by chanting freemasons who wish to dance around some cat's guts.

the simple reality, which you refuse to accept, is that the £308 will be paid and that I will make up the shortfall. If you cant, or wont accept that, and still want to equate me with oneil and whalley, then you really have had a lot of sad baggage. The fact i posted when the club remains silent on our arrangements is due to my deep seated belief that this is a club that has been mismanaged and mis run for so long that we really have to change, and we have to challenge all ambiguity and all deception.

and whilst we are at it, i shoudl let people know on this board that Doug's private emails have been just as equivocal. His usual "on the one hand this....on the other...maybe that" seem to say everything and nothing. His congratulatory email to me almost got me to the point of replying by asking him to never send me any emails again. His other "sarcasm" where he assumes that oneil has put in just as much also bordered on being insulting.

finally, douglas, if you continue to harbour these deep seated problems, come and see me. face to face. ask any question you want - but maybe wait till after the deadline next week. i look forward to seeing you. bring along your bag of semantic goodies. i am sure you were very good at school debates. lets see you in real life, not just hiding behind stupid bulletin board one line quips.
I don’t think I actually insulted you personally Mr. Khan; but I do consider your comments tonight to be very off the mark and somewhat unnecessary. But you are right Mr Khan this is a message board and if we choose to express opinions on such media we should be able to take what comes back.

I don’t think for one minute you would let anything happen to this club Mr. Khan, but what I don’t understand is why this couldn’t have been done differently all round.

I will ensure that what I post in future can’t be misconstrued to be inflammatory, but this outburst will not prevent me from posting my opinion on both sides, because that is all it is an opinion and alternative one to the current trend.

I will take your comment on emails on advice; of course I won’t be sending any more; I also disagree with your assessment of the content.

ukcowboy 31-10-2009 19:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr T (Post 759061)
Never been away (honestly!!!):)
I know................but it was in apreciation of you sticking your head above the parapet (sp), as no one else from the boardroom seems to want to do! :)

Revived Red 31-10-2009 19:52
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[quote=Doug;759065]but what I don’t understand is why this couldn’t have been done differently all round.[/quote]

Surely you know the answer to that, Doug. If you don't, you should ask the (now sole) chairman.

lancsdave 31-10-2009 19:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr T (Post 759054)
However I believe a meeting between Rob and Ilyas has now given Iylas the details he requires to save our Club.
Am I the only one who thinks it strange that a meeting of such urgency and importance was only attended by Rob & Ilyas :confused:

shakermaker 31-10-2009 19:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Revived Red (Post 759068)
Surely you know the answer to that, Doug. If you don't, you should ask the (now sole) chairman.
Chairman? Surely you mean owner, RR. The title is completely erroneous - we might as well call him the Pope - but it's what Dave prefers.

expatriate 31-10-2009 20:09
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OK doug. lets start with this question. are you simply positing a view to highlight what you think might be an alternative ? or do you believe what you post ? For example you state "against the current trend". does this mean you think this is a popularity contest ? my suggestion would be that you actually state what you believe rather than trying to play some sort of authorial judge who can dance above the issues but not actually say anything that can be seen as an honest to god opinion. i would respect you more if you actually said something, then stood behind it rather than trying to suggest that you are somehow the rebel. I note redskin on this board, who has on a number of occasions made some comments that actually express an opinion. the fact it is against my view is brilliant - at least he has the courage to say so and not run for cover by suggesting that his posts are actually just a way to highlight a different opinion. come on doug, grow up. this is a deadly serious subject, not a small town version of x factor. our club almost went under. our directors have been lying to us (all of us,including you). we still dont know how much money we owe to all creditors. Our current chairman may or may not be a director. and he may or may not even own shares. these are the real issues, along with the small matter of almost £500k owed to HMRC

i look forward to your reply, and i look forward to jousting with you once i actually know what you believe.


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