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cashman 19-02-2011 22:40

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Good on yer Choirboy.:);)

Greeny 20-02-2011 09:28

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What puzzles me is this, Eric Whalley , IF he still owns Stanley then how come he moved to Chester ?

cashman 20-02-2011 09:31

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Originally Posted by Greeny (Post 885253)
What puzzles me is this, Eric Whalley , IF he still owns Stanley then how come he moved to Chester ?

beats me, it puzzled me fer yonks, then i'd forgot about it.

lancsdave 20-02-2011 09:44

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Originally Posted by Greeny (Post 885253)
What puzzles me is this, Eric Whalley , IF he still owns Stanley then how come he moved to Chester ?

At the time he had agreed the sale of his shares to DON and therefore resigned as director at Stanley. Turns out the money DON paid was not for the shares but for the promise of selling him the shares ( yes I'm being sarcastic :D )

Does Eric still own the club, seems he's not even the majority shareholder now even though he owns the shares he sold to DON. ?

Clear as mud :confused:

Grimps 20-02-2011 10:32

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can we not ban ew from the ground and the don . like fans can get off the club

fatgaz182 20-02-2011 10:36

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Is that the now Defunct Chester City???

Was'nt he also at Great Harwood Town Before they folded :mad:

Grimps 20-02-2011 11:12

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Changed the keys to is prawn box . Kick him out kick him out . Don only cums when we hav a game so tell him its off

Bagpuss 20-02-2011 11:25

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Originally Posted by Grimps (Post 885264)
can we not ban ew from the ground and the don . like fans can get off the club

I like your thinking, a blockade, you're not welcome, now that's more direct action:)

Just like EW son Russell did a couple of years ago to the fans, "your name's not down so you're not coming in".

Grimps 20-02-2011 11:47

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you can cum in if you give 51% rob and on you way out after crewe game do not cum back . ew keep away.

lancsdave 20-02-2011 12:06

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Originally Posted by Grimps (Post 885287)
you can cum in if you give 51%

If the speculation is correct then you can't give what you haven't got :)

Grimps 20-02-2011 12:19

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keys then .

VALAIRIAN 20-02-2011 13:54

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Originally Posted by Grimps (Post 885287)
you can cum in if you give 51% rob and on you way out after crewe game do not cum back . ew keep away.

E.W. Would need to buy about 10% before he could do that Grimps!!!!! If I had 10%, I would sell them to him for about £308K....

lancsdave 20-02-2011 15:01

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Update now on fishy site

VALAIRIAN 20-02-2011 15:04

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Link below..

ASFC News Story > 3877

VALAIRIAN 20-02-2011 15:10

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A little snippet from the story:-


The Directors are currently considering a number of options and a further update will be provided in due course.

A share option, would be one way forward, in my opinion...

lancsdave 20-02-2011 15:12

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Originally Posted by VALAIRIAN (Post 885339)
A little snippet from the story:-


The Directors are currently considering a number of options and a further update will be provided in due course.

A share option, would be one way forward, in my opinion...

If the figures are as bad as speculated it's not a quick solution though is it ?

Pheonix 20-02-2011 15:14

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The following is from ASFC news;

The information and evidence that was presented shows, without question, that the shareholder register as submitted to Company’s House is incorrect. The board have therefore resolved to update the company’s books and bring the formal registration into line with the facts. These will show that Mr Eric Whalley is not, and has not been for some considerable time, the majority shareholder of ASFC Limited.

Interesting!!!

VALAIRIAN 20-02-2011 15:15

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 885341)
If the figures are as bad as speculated it's not a quick solution though is it ?

Maybe not, just depends on others peoples attitudes!!!!

VALAIRIAN 20-02-2011 15:16

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Originally Posted by Pheonix (Post 885342)
The following is from ASFC news;

The information and evidence that was presented shows, without question, that the shareholder register as submitted to Company’s House is incorrect. The board have therefore resolved to update the company’s books and bring the formal registration into line with the facts. These will show that Mr Eric Whalley is not, and has not been for some considerable time, the majority shareholder of ASFC Limited.

Interesting!!!

See the signature Pheonix ;)

shakermaker 20-02-2011 15:17

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So all that has been clarified really is that our income is a hundred grand down on what was projected at the start of the season, and that Eric isn't the majority shareholder. No clarification on who rightfully owns that percentage. No mention of debts or plans for administration yet. Hopefully these matters and some of the stories from the Gazelle meeting will be cleared up soon.

lancsdave 20-02-2011 15:22

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Originally Posted by VALAIRIAN (Post 885343)
Maybe not, just depends on others peoples attitudes!!!!


I wasn't suggesting the share isn't isn't the right thing, just not going to raise thousands by next week :)

VALAIRIAN 20-02-2011 15:25

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 885345)
So all that has been clarified really is that our income is a hundred grand down on what was projected at the start of the season, and that Eric isn't the majority shareholder. No clarification on who rightfully owns that percentage. No mention of debts or plans for administration yet. Hopefully these matters and some of the stories from the Gazelle meeting will be cleared up soon.

The directors also considered the club’s cashflow and creditor position. The season has, until December, been commendable in terms of income and expenditure being broadly in line. Two events have led to the club’s financial status becoming unsettled. Firstly the unexpected and sad demise of the Shirt Sponsor, and secondly the postponement of a number of home games. This has reduced income by something in the region of £100,000. The Directors are currently considering a number of options and a further update will be provided in due course.

In the meantime everyone at the club would like to reach out and ask for the support of all fans and the community in and around Accrington. The club currently has a squad that is capable of pushing on for honours, and our Chairman, Ilyas Khan, reminds us that we have faced bigger obstacles in the past, but have overcome them when we present a united front. The best thing that you can do is turn up to the home games and shout loud and stand proud.”

The last two paragraphs are sort of there Shaker!! One of the things that I know/have learnt about IK, is, if there is nowt to say, then he says nowt, therefore I would think that at the moment, there is nowt more to say, the ball - as they say - is well and truely in Mr. Whalleys' court and I do not think he can return it!!!

IK has said in the past, that it may take time, so we must back him, believe in him and he will not let us down!!!!! :) :) :)

VALAIRIAN 20-02-2011 15:26

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 885347)
I wasn't suggesting the share isn't isn't the right thing, just not going to raise thousands by next week :)

Correct sir!! :) :)

shakermaker 20-02-2011 15:38

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Originally Posted by VALAIRIAN (Post 885349)
One of the things that I know/have learnt about IK, is, if there is nowt to say, then he says nowt

Completely agree. It's one of the things that I admire most about our Chairman.

I just hoped that with the somewhat radical claims that were made this week regarding large debts to her majesty and the phone company, amongst others, something might have been stated to clear those up. However, as we know already, we can all set our watches by Ilyas as far as honesty is concerned. :)

Chimer 20-02-2011 15:41

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Am I the only person that missed "the sad demise of the shirt sponsor"? That's twice in what, 3 seasons?

mab 20-02-2011 15:51

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So it wasn't a doom and gloom board meeting after all,on stanley on:)

Kiwi John 20-02-2011 16:13

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Originally Posted by Chimer (Post 885355)
Am I the only person that missed "the sad demise of the shirt sponsor"? That's twice in what, 3 seasons?

Spotted that to CHIMER. If the statement refers to Fraser Eagle, well that was ages ago and I thought it wouldn't be a factor still. However, if itd Combined Stablisation, how come their add is still on fishy site?

sparkie 20-02-2011 16:33

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I believe Combined Stabilisation are currently in administration, or at least thats what I been told. I don't know where to check it to see if its true!

lancsdave 20-02-2011 16:43

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Originally Posted by Kiwi John (Post 885363)
Spotted that to CHIMER. If the statement refers to Fraser Eagle, well that was ages ago and I thought it wouldn't be a factor still. However, if itd Combined Stablisation, how come their add is still on fishy site?

It's still on the shirts too

Outback Ozzy 20-02-2011 16:44

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So please do correct me if I am wrong, but what exactly have we to brace ourselves for? OK we are £100K short of cash than was projected, I know it is probably asking a lot, but will Mr Khan bail us out of the mire again to ease through these problems. And as stated on the fishy site, get everyone back to the Crown to support the team! From reading the statement on the website, it is good to see the 'books' are finally sorted and that the cardboard person is NOT the majority (over 50%) shareholder. Time to go now Eric. You were once revered, now you and yours are just a laughing stock. Also take your puppet with you or if he has any sense, walk away and do not come back.

lancsdave 20-02-2011 16:46

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Originally Posted by sparkie (Post 885372)
I believe Combined Stabilisation are currently in administration, or at least thats what I been told. I don't know where to check it to see if its true!

Not sure if this will work

WebCHeck - Select Search Results

lancsdave 20-02-2011 16:57

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I think it's also been mentioned that the company who do the perimeter boards have also gone

expatriate 20-02-2011 16:58

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Guys, yes, poor old Combined Stabilisation have, apparently, not been able to fulfill their obligations under the sponsorship agreement. Its unfortunate, but these are tough times for business, no question about it. We hope that the management of CS might be able to find a way to retain the link with the Club.

thanks
Ilyas

Outback Ozzy 20-02-2011 16:59

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 885376)
Not sure if this will work

WebCHeck - Select Search Results

It works Dave

Wynonie Harris 20-02-2011 17:01

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'ow do, Ilyas, great to see you back! Could you tell us any more about the present situation?

Stanleymad 20-02-2011 17:02

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Think it would be great now to have the official clarification on things like current finances
that were brought up in the mini meeting last wed nite as some of us that did duely passed the word on have been made to look like gossip mongerers without back up now :(

lancsdave 20-02-2011 17:04

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Now if only a local company could come up with a method of re-applying a different name to the front of the shirts for each match and getting a different shirt sponsor each match to cough up an amount of money per game :)

expatriate 20-02-2011 17:09

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I am sorry that i have not been posting on this bulletin board, but the situation at the Club has not been easy to describe without compromising on-going investigations. On that point, therefore, I will ask for your continued patience. I will, as always, try to give you full disclosure, and I hope that might be possible very soon.

I just thought for today that since the CS sponsorship is not paid up, we could clarify that. Also, the shareholding situation is now cleared by the board, and i have no problem talking about that as well.

The club's finances are clearly strained, and I think it best to ensure that we wait for official updates rather than speculating. In the meantime, please please try to do what you can for the club by turning up to the games.

The sponsorship per game idea for the shirts is a very good idea. i wonder if it could work ?

lancsdave 20-02-2011 17:12

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Was it West Ham who lost their sponsor and had that horrendous black square on the shirts to cover it up ?

shakermaker 20-02-2011 17:18

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 885391)
Was it West Ham who lost their sponsor and had that horrendous black square on the shirts to cover it up ?

Yeah it was, remember that well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 885385)
Now if only a local company could come up with a method of re-applying a different name to the front of the shirts for each match and getting a different shirt sponsor each match to cough up an amount of money per game :)

Great idea.

VALAIRIAN 20-02-2011 17:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chimer (Post 885355)
Am I the only person that missed "the sad demise of the shirt sponsor"? That's twice in what, 3 seasons?

No, you are not!!

Billy Casper 20-02-2011 17:25

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I quite the black square you have as your avatar, that would look ok.;)

Wynonie Harris 20-02-2011 17:26

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Originally Posted by expatriate (Post 885388)
The sponsorship per game idea for the shirts is a very good idea. i wonder if it could work ?

I reckon it could work very well...if carried out by a suitably professional local source. Think somebody from the club should talk to that source ASAP!! ;)

VALAIRIAN 20-02-2011 17:30

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So please do correct me if I am wrong, but what exactly have we to brace ourselves for? OK we are £100K short of cash than was projected, I know it is probably asking a lot, but will Mr Khan bail us out of the mire again to ease through these problems. And as stated on the fishy site, get everyone back to the Crown to support the team! From reading the statement on the website, it is good to see the 'books' are finally sorted and that the cardboard person is NOT the majority (over 50%) shareholder. Time to go now Eric. You were once revered, now you and yours are just a laughing stock. Also take your puppet with you or if he has any sense, walk away and do not come back.

That is income OO, outgoings are over budget also, so the figure is well over the £100K mentioned...

Ilyas, WILL NOT bail of the current regime, that is fact!!!

This is the most poignant part of your post OO, just hope that the clowns can read and understand!!!!

fc:stanley 20-02-2011 17:34

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How does shirt sponsorship by game work? Thats a hell of alot of shirts wasted through the season...

Phil Whalley 20-02-2011 17:35

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The key aspect of the statement is that the club now has a much clearer picture of who is in precisely what legal position with regard to ownership and creditor status. This puts the board in a much stronger position. It is no longer obliged to take unsubstantiated claims at face value – we have the weight of legal opinion on our side.

We once again owe Ilyas and Peter a debt of thanks for their diligence and professionalism in sorting this out.

I have a proposition. Since Combined Stabilisation has sadly gone into liquidation, there is a vacancy on the hallowed scarlet. In the absence of any other offers, why not put Leonard Cheshire Disability on the shirt? I’d understand it if dedicated collectors feel that it is asking too much, obliging them as it is to buy two versions in one season. But just a thought. Perhaps save it for the play-off final? ;)

VALAIRIAN 20-02-2011 17:36

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But, on the flip side fc, it's a hell of alot of extra shirt sales ;):p :p

VALAIRIAN 20-02-2011 17:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Whalley (Post 885407)
The key aspect of the statement is that the club now has a much clearer picture of who is in precisely what legal position with regard to ownership and creditor status. This puts the board in a much stronger position. It is no longer obliged to take unsubstantiated claims at face value – we have the weight of legal opinion on our side.

We once again owe Ilyas and Peter a debt of thanks for their diligence and professionalism in sorting this out.

I have a proposition. Since Combined Stabilisation has sadly gone into liquidation, there is a vacancy on the hallowed scarlet. In the absence of any other offers, why not put Leonard Cheshire Disability on the shirt? I’d understand it if dedicated collectors feel that it is asking too much, obliging them as it is to buy two versions in one season. But just a thought. Perhaps save it for the play-off final? ;)

That is the best thing I have heard in ages!!!!!!!! I would go home and away tomorrow!!!

lancsdave 20-02-2011 17:40

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Originally Posted by fc:stanley (Post 885406)
How does shirt sponsorship by game work? Thats a hell of alot of shirts wasted through the season...

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Originally Posted by VALAIRIAN (Post 885408)
But, on the flip side fc, it's a hell of alot of extra shirt sales ;):p :p


I wasn't thinking of them being sold for each sponsor, I reckon that wouldn't be practical :D

If you apply the sponsors name in a straight forward manner with no fancy logo it could be removed and replaced on the same shirt. Hard work & organisation would be the key rather than a numerous amount of shirts

lancsdave 20-02-2011 17:49

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 885399)
I reckon it could work very well...if carried out by a suitably professional local source. Think somebody from the club should talk to that source ASAP!! ;)


The company currently doing the stuff should be able to supply it to them, all they need is somebody at the club to stick them on and remove them again

shakermaker 20-02-2011 17:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Whalley (Post 885407)
I have a proposition. Since Combined Stabilisation has sadly gone into liquidation, there is a vacancy on the hallowed scarlet. In the absence of any other offers, why not put Leonard Cheshire Disability on the shirt? I’d understand it if dedicated collectors feel that it is asking too much, obliging them as it is to buy two versions in one season. But just a thought. Perhaps save it for the play-off final? ;)

That really is a fantastic idea. But so is Dave's.

Could we do both? Have LCD as the main shirt sponsor and have a new business for each game pay to apply their name onto the back of the jersey?

That way we honour LCD and also get the cash from sponsors (not to mention new business links) that's so desperately needed.

maccawozzagod 20-02-2011 17:58

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i dont know if all the Match Sponsors have been sold or not but that might be a way of 'securing' the deal. A few extra quid perhaps as well

duggie 20-02-2011 18:02

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Originally Posted by sparkie (Post 885372)
I believe Combined Stabilisation are currently in administration, or at least thats what I been told. I don't know where to check it to see if its true!

according to companies house web site they are in liquidation

mab 20-02-2011 18:27

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:) Looking at it,its sponsor for the remander of this current season ss their is a short fall with Combined Stabilisation are now in liquidation :(!! Think we'l find Stanley have a new shirt sponsor for next season:)

Revived Red 20-02-2011 18:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Whalley (Post 885407)
The key aspect of the statement is that the club now has a much clearer picture of who is in precisely what legal position with regard to ownership and creditor status. This puts the board in a much stronger position. It is no longer obliged to take unsubstantiated claims at face value – we have the weight of legal opinion on our side.

We once again owe Ilyas and Peter a debt of thanks for their diligence and professionalism in sorting this out.

I have a proposition. Since Combined Stabilisation has sadly gone into liquidation, there is a vacancy on the hallowed scarlet. In the absence of any other offers, why not put Leonard Cheshire Disability on the shirt? I’d understand it if dedicated collectors feel that it is asking too much, obliging them as it is to buy two versions in one season. But just a thought. Perhaps save it for the play-off final? ;)

A superb post containing a fantastic idea.

lancsdave 20-02-2011 18:35

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Originally Posted by mab (Post 885437)
Think we'l find Stanley have a new shirt sponsor for next season:)

I would think questions would have to be asked if there wasn't. Lets hope it's not sold too cheaply for a quick buck

katei77 20-02-2011 19:24

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Well i thought the board was gonna be full of postings about saving the club losing 10points for admin who is owed what etc.....

We are short of 100k due to a bad December and another company struggling ......not 100k due to the taxman,surely with the clubs history with tax payments if it was anywhere near this amount a winding up order would of be issued,like Southend had when they missed a tax payment for £15/20,000,not sure on the amount but was something like that,as there is no winding up order ill take it as we owe this 100k out to other companies as well as the taxman,think we can all sleep tonight.

Its a sticky patch,i would think most league two clubs go through when they have a bad month,all businesses have unpaid bills its how businesses work.

Not making out its nothing to worry about but its not as dark as was first thought,thankfully!

Its no good us to try and keep guessing who is owed what etc.......Ilyas will keep us dated im sure there cant be anymore he wishes for fans to know otherwise it would of be in the statement(i take it Ilyas approved the statement?)

I am sure that we will see marked improvement in the running of the club in the months to come now the ownership issue is in hand,although who is the major holder of shares would be good to know.

It will be good to see all those peoples who paid out for the shares during the SOS will finally be offical shareholders at companies house.

I would say back any plans the board has to make up the 100k shortfall,I am sure Ilyas and co will not approve any plan/ideas if they do not believe they will work for both the fans and the clubs.

I see this as a win win for us all the fans can start to have some trust in their club and the club can make this short fall up and push for the play offs.

Lets do what us fans do best and "Back The Boys"

Mr T 20-02-2011 20:06

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Folks as good as it would be to have a "new/different" sponsor on the shirts for each game, here are the realaties/practicalaties (sorry:)) Logos won't come off. So each shirt will be a one off. How many do you make?? What's Coley's squad?? Each one needs a name, number and FL N power badge. ALL THESE HAVE TO BE PAID FOR IN ADVANCE!!! So do you do every squad player a shirt every game??? And another new one for Tuesday and another new one for Saturday?? Finally at £40 per time, how many shirts has Lew got in his shop???:eek:

not trying to be negative, but IF you want to BACK THE BOYS, sponsor the game, sponsor the match ball, enjoy the FANtastic day in the Lounge, but most importantly back Coley and OUR TOWN TEAM!!!:)

katei77 20-02-2011 20:12

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cud we not just have a4 posters of the company fasted on wiv safety pins lol :O) joking we need a laff after the last few days

stanleyhouse 20-02-2011 20:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Whalley (Post 885407)
The key aspect of the statement is that the club now has a much clearer picture of who is in precisely what legal position with regard to ownership and creditor status. This puts the board in a much stronger position. It is no longer obliged to take unsubstantiated claims at face value – we have the weight of legal opinion on our side.

We once again owe Ilyas and Peter a debt of thanks for their diligence and professionalism in sorting this out.

I have a proposition. Since Combined Stabilisation has sadly gone into liquidation, there is a vacancy on the hallowed scarlet. In the absence of any other offers, why not put Leonard Cheshire Disability on the shirt? I’d understand it if dedicated collectors feel that it is asking too much, obliging them as it is to buy two versions in one season. But just a thought. Perhaps save it for the play-off final? ;)

Sorry I'm being thick.. Is this Leonard Cheshire giving us money to sponsor our shirt or free publicity for Leonard Cheshire.
I think we should be raising money for them.
I feel a sponsored event coming on...

Chimer 20-02-2011 20:29

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Originally Posted by stanleyhouse (Post 885473)
Sorry but shouldn't WE be raising money for Leonard Cheshire Disability - not the other way round.

I'm sure Phil wasn't suggesting they sponsored us in any way - just that we use the empty space to raise awareness for them (like Barcelona and UNICEF).

katei77 20-02-2011 20:32

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think he means instead of having a companys name on the shirt what has gone bust not the charity paying the club to have their name on the shirts but i could be wrong........think its villa who do it with little accorns childrens hospice on their shirts .......

Pendle Red 20-02-2011 20:41

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I think the shirt idea is a really good idea

It would increase awareness locally as well as nationally with exposure on the FL Show of the Charity
A percentage of shirt sales could be donated to the Charity
It may also encourage extra shirt sales

katei77 20-02-2011 20:47

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sounds a nice idea but.......we need to get money into the club

in no way is this a pop at charites especially disabled 1s as i have son who is multi disabled and a special needs child

lancsdave 20-02-2011 20:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr T (Post 885466)
Folks as good as it would be to have a "new/different" sponsor on the shirts for each game, here are the realaties/practicalaties (sorry:)) Logos won't come off. So each shirt will be a one off. How many do you make?? What's Coley's squad?? Each one needs a name, number and FL N power badge. ALL THESE HAVE TO BE PAID FOR IN ADVANCE!!! So do you do every squad player a shirt every game??? And another new one for Tuesday and another new one for Saturday?? Finally at £40 per time, how many shirts has Lew got in his shop???:eek:


Far more complex than it needs to be Mr T. :)

I suggested it as a method of raising a few extra quid per home game £100/£200 per game perhaps just for the home games remaining.

I don't think it's feasable as a venture for the club shop for extra shirt sales, it would become too costly an exercise and not at all practical for the timescale left this season.

Having suggested the original idea I think Shaker's idea is the best way of doing it. Ironically Leonard Cheshire's logo is white on a red background :)

fc:stanley 20-02-2011 21:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr T (Post 885466)
not trying to be negative, but IF you want to BACK THE BOYS, sponsor the game, sponsor the match ball, enjoy the FANtastic day in the Lounge, but most importantly back Coley and OUR TOWN TEAM!!!:)

But the thing is MR T there not going to sponsor this and sponsor that until everything is sorted! Businesses have no idea whos chairman and who does what at the club anymore. All they see is on the back of the observer most months and off the grapevines what financial trouble stanley are in and what's always wrong at the club! Until everything is sorted then no-one is going sponsor anything!

I defiantly wouldn't sponsor a match at stanley, a few weeks back i went to one where my cousins company had sponsored and had payed good money for. I havent seen anything so amateurishness and so un private lounge about it.

I hope people do keep sponsoring things but i wouldn't be surprised if they didn't!

At least were not going into admin (hopefully) and illiays can steady the ship and bring good to the club for the coming future and to put someone who knows how to run a club incharge instead of a dodgy camera man.

ON STANLEY ON.

cashman 20-02-2011 21:19

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F.C.Stanley has raised a very valid point IMHO, local sponsors will be very difficult to raise at the moment, as well as the present climate, know of a couple at least who will have sod all to do wi our club whilst certain people remain on the scene,:eek: sad but true, i also hope sincerely sponsors can be found,

katei77 20-02-2011 21:30

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how could the club make it better thought FC stanley ???

Agree that its a up hill struggle to gain businesses trusts after all the issues

maccawozzagod 20-02-2011 21:51

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Originally Posted by Mr T (Post 885466)
Folks as good as it would be to have a "new/different" sponsor on the shirts for each game, here are the realaties/practicalaties (sorry:)) Logos won't come off. So each shirt will be a one off. How many do you make?? What's Coley's squad?? Each one needs a name, number and FL N power badge. ALL THESE HAVE TO BE PAID FOR IN ADVANCE!!! So do you do every squad player a shirt every game??? And another new one for Tuesday and another new one for Saturday?? Finally at £40 per time, how many shirts has Lew got in his shop???:eek:

do you mean at £40 to the club?

just to expand on the shirt per game idea, if it was known in advance, and a company paid summat extra then whoever sponsors a game can have their logo on, it would cost the club 25 x shirts at cost + the logo printing. £300 maybe? I dunno, but if I had a company and was willing to pay the cost for sponsoring a match I'd deffo pay that extra for the name on the kit. Match sponsor gets the Man of the Match shirt for his office wall and the rest are auctioned off in the clubhouse/ebay. Leonard Cheshire could be the 'normal' sponsor that appears on replica kits and match kit that has no sponsor.

It'd certainly be unique I reckon and would draw some positive publicity

choirboy 20-02-2011 22:40

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Good to hear from Ilyas and for him to clear up some of our worries.:) Like I said earlier;Trust in Ilyas - he has a plan but as he has said we need to be patient.:mosher:
Katie, I thought that the clubs "sticky patch" was that muddy square in front of the dugout that is causing our postponements.:(:( Talking of "squares", we could adopt the black square logo for our AWAY kit and get Mr Whalley to sponsor us for either £308K or any stake that he still has in the club.:p:p:p
Bring a couple of friends on Tuesday and swell the gate - bring in the cash and the extra fans that we need.
ON STANLEY ON.:cheers::balloon::balloon::balloon::balloon:

Fourth official 21-02-2011 09:04

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A possible other idea would be a raffle aimed at local businesses to win shirt sponsorship,for the remainder of the season,thus hopefully building bridges,and spreading the word that EW is no longer !!

lancsdave 21-02-2011 09:13

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Originally Posted by Fourth official (Post 885583)
,and spreading the word that EW is no longer !!


Maybe better to wait until thats in black & white :D

katei77 21-02-2011 09:42

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Originally Posted by choirboy (Post 885533)
Good to hear from Ilyas and for him to clear up some of our worries.:) Like I said earlier;Trust in Ilyas - he has a plan but as he has said we need to be patient.:mosher:
Katie, I thought that the clubs "sticky patch" was that muddy square in front of the dugout that is causing our postponements.:(:( Talking of "squares", we could adopt the black square logo for our AWAY kit and get Mr Whalley to sponsor us for either £308K or any stake that he still has in the club.:p:p:p
Bring a couple of friends on Tuesday and swell the gate - bring in the cash and the extra fans that we need.
ON STANLEY ON.:cheers::balloon::balloon::balloon::balloon:

think it is a cross between a mud bath and a sandpit........well hopefully it was and the contractors have now made it into a play able pitch :)

katei77 21-02-2011 09:44

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 885587)
Maybe better to wait until thats in black & white :D

Wise words it is rumoured he holds 40% shares so thats still a good wedge of the club

katei77 21-02-2011 10:20

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 885514)
do you mean at £40 to the club?

just to expand on the shirt per game idea, if it was known in advance, and a company paid summat extra then whoever sponsors a game can have their logo on, it would cost the club 25 x shirts at cost + the logo printing. £300 maybe? I dunno, but if I had a company and was willing to pay the cost for sponsoring a match I'd deffo pay that extra for the name on the kit. Match sponsor gets the Man of the Match shirt for his office wall and the rest are auctioned off in the clubhouse/ebay. Leonard Cheshire could be the 'normal' sponsor that appears on replica kits and match kit that has no sponsor.

It'd certainly be unique I reckon and would draw some positive publicity

The only problem i see with this is the club be able to offer it for every game......we will be playing twice a week most weeks.....do the club really have the staff/time to take on this?
Also what are the FL rules on shirt sponsorshirt?Can we have a main shirt sponsor,even if it is a charity then a guest sponsor for each game?

The club dont want to offer something they then cant deliver on.

Something what has always puzzled me is why not close the clubhouse before the game at least for the match sponsors,that way it is a private area for the good money they have paid out?We have a second venue The Crown Pub for the fans,how many fans really use the club house before a game,would the club really lose all that much?after all they would just go up to the steps to The Crown Pub.

While visting FTFC i couldnt help but notice how busy there cubby hole shop by the doors in the clubhouse (they say its a clubhouse,over 20 screens,even in the loos!was more like a wine bar very posh!) was,simple set up 1 of each item displayed on boards with clear prices,is this something what could be set up in our pub on match day?
Im sure items would be sold as away fans do use the pub,may be do it till the end of the season and see how well it goes down?
Again staffing may be a problem thought

Just another thought can the club not form a partnership with a local charity?like supermarkets do, fans can vote for the charity of the season?Im not sure how the ins and outs work on this but is it something for the club to look into for the 2011/12 season?

expatriate 21-02-2011 11:31

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these are really great ideas. thank you so much for this constructive feedback. every penny counts, and as your chairman i can confirm that each penny that is raised through sponsorship or other income will go directly to the club's activities. None of it will be used or remitted in any way other than for backing the team in its quest to advance. With an independent external director now on the board, and with full transparency of the accounts, you can sure that your pennies and pounds dont go astray. With the shirt sponsorship I am sure that there will be a way for the club to use the opportunity for some redress. Perhaps not the amounts that have been lost, but at least some amount.

also, i have noted that people have mentioned their SOS share subscription still not being delivered (with the shirts, right ?) can i please request that you email Rob and cc me with your outstanding queries. please please get in touch. We will do our best to square this outstanding item off as well.

thanks a lot for the positive feedback. its at times like this that we need all the help.

Wynonie Harris 21-02-2011 12:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by expatriate (Post 885625)
these are really great ideas. thank you so much for this constructive feedback. every penny counts, and as your chairman i can confirm that each penny that is raised through sponsorship or other income will go directly to the club's activities. None of it will be used or remitted in any way other than for backing the team in its quest to advance. With an independent external director now on the board, and with full transparency of the accounts, you can sure that your pennies and pounds dont go astray.

Now THAT'S what we want to hear! Quite happy to go back to bunging a bit of dosh in, now we have that assurance. Cheers, Ilyas! :)

Stanleymad 21-02-2011 12:24

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Originally Posted by katei77 (Post 885614)
The only problem i see with this is the club be able to offer it for every game......we will be playing twice a week most weeks.....do the club really have the staff/time to take on this?
Also what are the FL rules on shirt sponsorshirt?Can we have a main shirt sponsor,even if it is a charity then a guest sponsor for each game?

The club dont want to offer something they then cant deliver on.

Something what has always puzzled me is why not close the clubhouse before the game at least for the match sponsors,that way it is a private area for the good money they have paid out?We have a second venue The Crown Pub for the fans,how many fans really use the club house before a game,would the club really lose all that much?after all they would just go up to the steps to The Crown Pub.

While visting FTFC i couldnt help but notice how busy there cubby hole shop by the doors in the clubhouse (they say its a clubhouse,over 20 screens,even in the loos!was more like a wine bar very posh!) was,simple set up 1 of each item displayed on boards with clear prices,is this something what could be set up in our pub on match day?
Im sure items would be sold as away fans do use the pub,may be do it till the end of the season and see how well it goes down?
Again staffing may be a problem thought

Its been done in the past closed clubhouse to general public for sponsors, it didnt go down well with the general fans wanting a pre match drink, they lost more paying customers for the bar and only a handful of people of sponsors were in taking up the space and staff, besides if im to assume right - the crown is another drain on clubs resources financially:rolleyes:

katei77 21-02-2011 12:28

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oh well scrap that idea then....brainstorming may be not my thing then

yonmon 21-02-2011 12:55

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. Nothing whatsoever to do with a previous posting !!!...

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maccawozzagod 21-02-2011 13:42

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its been said many many times over the last few years but the clubhouse is the biggest dissapointment in terms of income generation that we have.

That place really should be a massive cash cow but we've not been able to fully utilise it for years.

katei77 21-02-2011 13:51

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 885646)
its been said many many times over the last few years but the clubhouse is the biggest dissapointment in terms of income generation that we have.

That place really should be a massive cash cow but we've not been able to fully utilise it for years.

a makeover is needed not a patch up job.......and a improvement on the beer

Stanleymad 21-02-2011 13:55

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Originally Posted by katei77 (Post 885650)
a makeover is needed not a patch up job.......and a improvement on the beer


True point, the clubhouse did get a makeover but needs a professional job [i'll not go into the bad debate of that] but the roof needs sorting, ceiling needs doing properly and new bar :D

katei77 21-02-2011 13:58

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Originally Posted by Stanleymad (Post 885651)
True point, the clubhouse did get a makeover but needs a professional job [i'll not go into the bad debate of that] but the roof needs sorting, ceiling needs doing properly and new bar :D

Well maybe with the new era at the club begining fans in the trade may be more willing to help the club now.......or as i think macca has said before get the college on board im sure it would be a great project for students

Stanleymad 21-02-2011 14:02

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Originally Posted by katei77 (Post 885654)
Well maybe with the new era at the club begining fans in the trade may be more willing to help the club now.......or as i think macca has said before get the college on board im sure it would be a great project for students


Yeh i think the same on that utilising the college for the many areas of help for the club and the students, also that brings in the ideas and students get a bit of work exp too for their cv and towards their grades and club get many helpers.

katei77 21-02-2011 14:03

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there is many areas the college could partner up with and it may get a few students coming back on match day :)

katei77 21-02-2011 14:07

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fleetwood town have a club house the likes of Man U Liverpool etc....would b proud of but the tvs in the loos are a step too far lol

lancsdave 21-02-2011 14:18

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Not just the college, there is a very large training group in Accrington, NLTG, who are always looking for work experience situations

maccawozzagod 21-02-2011 15:41

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the club has done that in the past to some extents with the media students from UCLAN getting involved with the programme etc but it could and should be rolled out (to the local college).

Catering staff to be hired as and when.

Media students - various projects such as making adverts, broadcasts, promo leaflets

Construction - more than speaks for itself

Business studies, art/fashion - could merge a few departments together to work on a specific project. For example, design a new range of merchandise. Research whats required/wanted, design it, source outlets to sell it, product to market.

there are loads of ideas for practically every department within the college

Outback Ozzy 21-02-2011 15:59

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What is great, is that this thread has a more positive feel about it now and long may it continue. Great to see the post by Ilyas and hopefully, the club can now go from strength to strength. Just hope the pitch is up to it Tuesday night.

katei77 21-02-2011 16:08

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is it possible to moved the ideas posts to a new thread???

Greeny 21-02-2011 16:50

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Agree this is very positive and the lift of spirit , BUT has Eric Whalley gone? is he going ?
lets not rush ahead of ourselves here , with that man around things may not go to plan.
Now then before both Fulham and Newcastle games there were stands at bottom of steps ( from Crown ) selling merchandise, it was manned with a couple of our own teenage fans, maybe this could be done at EVERY home match ,cost nothing and may bring in some needed cash,nothing ventured , nothing gained.

Pendle Red 21-02-2011 17:54

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Once again more & more good ideas coming through

I would imagine some of it is not here & now stuff as with limited staff perhaps then having to deal with taking on work placement demands a good degree of supervisory committment or is that something that the College provides?

The Clubhouse as we all agree needs a major re-vamp and more utilisation than it currently gets and maybe the Summer is the time for that when things are a bit quieter and jobs can be started and worked on properly?

The kids selling the merchandise is a great idea and on my trips to Anfield which ever direction you go to get into the ground there are a plethora of stalls selling merchandise.

I think first and foremost it's a case of learning to do the basic fundamentals in a satisfactory way, we have had so many false dawns over the last few years it is a case of going back to basics, getting on the knocker for sponsors, looking at ticket initiatives to bring more to the Crown than what currently come and ensuring we do that right and then we have a platform for people to come on to games and want to keep coming back.

It's a slow process but hopefully the train is now moving back in the right direction.

katei77 21-02-2011 19:04

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Lew has worked hard with the ticket offers,but I think some season ticket holders feel abit short changed understandable if they pay out at the begining of season then non season ticket holders are getting great offers,this is no way a dig at the offers anything what brings in more fans is great just think the club shouldnt forget the season ticket holders when making ticket offers,some feel the club has taken their money pre season then forgotton about them.

The kids selling stuff is good as long as they know what they are doing,I have over heard a couple of cheeky programme sellers be rather rude to away fans when they dont buy a programme off them.

This is a great time of year for the club to start talking to the college to put in place something for the new sept term.

I know the commuity team were hoping to run some groups in the club house when i spoke to them at the back boys meeting ideas were in the very early stages toddler groups and some thing for the over 60s not sure if these ideas ever took off or are still going ahead.

Also can the drinks offers what run at clubhouse not also run at the crown?im guessing it all goes to the club where ever you drink clubhouse/crown?

I think the one thing everyone at the club needs to do is not say something will happen to whoever this might be colleges local businesses fans etc if they cant deliver,

Dont make promises that cant be kept,I would rather be told no than be let down.

fatgaz182 21-02-2011 21:12

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Originally Posted by katei77 (Post 885782)
I think some season ticket holders feel abit short changed understandable if they pay out at the begining of season then non season ticket holders are getting great offers.

I don't feel that way, @ £160 for my season ticket (Clayton End Standing) that netts down to just £6.96 per game as the 3 for 2 offer for the same stand would be £8.67 per game + more people in on games that are likely to have a lower attendance, then hopefully they come back for the bigger games and pay the full £13. Also I get all the extras in the ST if I want to use them.

Also I think theres a few fair weather fans that give the Crown a miss between October and March, BRRRRRRRRRRRRR!! :couchplus

cashman 21-02-2011 21:12

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one season ticket holder here, dont feel short changed kate, anything helps wi the crap were in is fine wi me.;)

sparkie 21-02-2011 21:40

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Originally Posted by katei77 (Post 885782)
I know the commuity team were hoping to run some groups in the club house when i spoke to them at the back boys meeting ideas were in the very early stages toddler groups and some thing for the over 60s not sure if these ideas ever took off or are still going ahead.

Katie I can confirm that a parent and toddler group is in the planning stages (I know this as I am the one planning it!!), however I personally have some concerns over the use of the club house for this after having my daughters 3rd birthday party in there and having to throw away her socks due to the state they were in (white socks that were just literally black!). I know the club house had been cleaned before we went in but there's a difference between clean for a 'pub' and clean for a bunch of toddlers crawling around the floor!!! :D

I am currently working on the project and the community trust will update through their website when the project is up and running. If you want to check out the website, please click on my signature and have a mooch round at some of the stuff we are doing.

Wynonie Harris 21-02-2011 22:19

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Originally Posted by katei77 (Post 885782)
Lew has worked hard with the ticket offers,but I think some season ticket holders feel abit short changed understandable if they pay out at the begining of season then non season ticket holders are getting great offers

Season ticket holder number three here and, like the others, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. £160 for an ST, plus a variety of vouchers is a cracking deal. If non-ST holders get offers, I'd be pleased, as it would show that the club is demonstrating enterprise and marketing acumen.

In fact, it'd take a pretty churlish and mean-spirited ST holder to object to others getting offers!

sparkie 21-02-2011 22:30

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Season ticket holders 4,5&6 here! If you take the value of the vouchers off the cost of our three season tickets, they cost us just £50 for all three of us, you won't find me complaining!!!

Redash 22-02-2011 04:54

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No complaints here, plus Fatgaz makes a good point on the prices.


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