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its going to get rough between now and the end of the season.


by the end of this month we'll owe that taxman around 100k.

we have nowt coming in.

the difference between incomings and outgoings is massive and we won't pull it around.

there is a directors meeting planned in London this weekend and big decisions have to be made. I have no knowledge of what these decisions are about but I can guess.

Its going to get messy but the only good news I can take from it really is that it is finally coming to some sort of head. With a bit of luck it'll all be over for the new season - it's just a question of how much pain can we take between now and then

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Ta fer that mate, sounds very ominous to me, hope we still got a league club at the end of it.:(:eek:

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Where’s this coming from Rob?

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If we get through this, and its getting a bigger if by the day whilst EW and DON hang on....this must NEVER be allowed to happen again. If that means Conference football because FL isn't financially viable then so be it. Its all well and good saying "Ilyas will come to the rescue" and I have no doubts he will if needed, but we can't keep relying on one benefactor to counter balance the disgusting day to day running of the club.

What do the directors actually do? They seem to be little more then a talking shop.

10 point deduction and the Messiah to miraculously keep us up is personally an outcome Id snap your hand off for.

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Why is it left to a public forum member to keep the fans informed?

Like macca says at least we may get a clue whats happening at the top now. Lets keep everything crossed that the club comes out the other side with the minimum loss

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Probably cos those running the club Don't n Never have Properly.:rolleyes:

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it hasn't come from the proverbial 'reliable source' - It is fact.

Like Alvin says, the best possible outcome is admin (and IK purchase the club for a song from the administrators), 10 point deduction and Coley rescues the day by keeping us up.

The downside to that is that there are numerous ifs and buts contained in that scenario. Admin could be very painful for us but so long as I have a competent club to watch at the end of it then so be it.

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In the scheme of things keeping us up would be minor importance

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So if somebody had 'alleged' loans in the club they wouldn't get anything ( 10p in the pound if they are lucky ). If I was them I would accept an nominal amount of money owed, take an IOU for it to be cashed in x years time and walk away, and let somebody get on with turning it all round. Lets see how pig headed they can be :rolleyes:

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I think from memory that a points deduction would go onto next season if it is done after the 28th Feb, before that and its this season

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Given the circumstances, I'll take that if it's on offer (and if Coley doesn't finally lose his patience).

I've lived through the alternative once before and, as Cashy will confirm, it's too upsetting to contemplate. :(

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Last I heard it's the 4th Thursday in March, but they may have changed it again

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twas fourth thursday in march up to last year

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Think i'll go to Mass on Sunday, miracles are in short supply these days.:eek:

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The clowns in charge of "Our club" are just that - I do not put RH in that bracket!! - They have little/no idea how to run this business!! We lose sponsorships, but they cannot find more, we over spend on players budget, then they take on more, we owe money left, right and centre, so we take on more staff!!!


It all beggers belief, but it is true :mad:

The MAJOR shareholder, must go now, to give us any chance of turning this thing around (I use the word MAJOR, as that is what he is, NOT THE MAJORITY!!!! @ Best 43% :eek:) He should have stood by his word and gone when we reached the FL, then he would still now be the hero we all belived he was.....

Cannot think of much more to say, but I am sure thaat Macca, Loweiy or Timmins will fill in more.

As a group of FANs, we must fight this, but protest marches, or staying away, is not the way.

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I have been requested to remove the audio file from this thread, I have therefore deleted said file from the drive. Mel, would you please remove the post as well thanks.

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I heard it before it was cut; can’t understand why you had to remove it, if Peter knew you were recording at the time and was happy for it to be shared.
Regardless; thanks for the effort Pete it is much appreciated. Let’s hope that there’s a way out.

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I made the mistake of not clarifying with Peter how he wanted the information shared, I therefore publicly apologise for any embarassment caused by my actions, I should have known better.

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Sorry cock; nevertheless an innocent mistake by a decent bloke, I’m sure everyone will feel the same way Pete.

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Is anyone really surprised by this? It's always been a question of WHEN rather than IF it all goes tits up again.

The mismanagement of the situation has been evident for years and I really hope it's all brought to a head now and then we can have a fresh start, whatever format that might be.

I'd really like the club to have a proper go at boosting crowds and interest, just to see if it can make a go of things at a decent level. Otherwise, drop back down to whatever level it can sustain and let's have a club that we can be truly proud of once again!

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Not a shock, just very dissapointing :(

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what did you think the microphone was ... a spit catcher :D







joking, the microphone was hidden inside his lapel ;)

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I don't believe the fact that the club is again skating on the thin financial ice can come as a surprise to many. But it is reassuring that some are thinking about things before the situation becomes irretrievable; so good luck to Mr Shaw and others.
All I hope is that securing the long term future of Stanley, preferably in the Football League, is put before personal pride and position, and that everyone finally recognises that the club cannot travel further down the Whalley road, if it is to survive.

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According to the Observer , the opening post of this thread is a load of rubbish

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:( Wish decency and common sense would prevail once and for all :(

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Any link to the article Dave?

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Can i ask who says its rubbish in the Beano?:rolleyes:

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:confused::confused: may i ask what meeting and when :confused::confused:

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Guessing it won't be online until tomorrow, I actually bought the paper.

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It's the official club line

Why wasn't this meeting 'open'? Surely the gorey deets could have just been posted on here, as they eventually were by those present.
Improving transparency with closed meetings sounds like an oxymoronic state of affairs to me.Just my opinion.

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People were picked/invited on a strategic basis, FANs from all corners of the ground, those there are/were challenged to spread the word, better that than 100+ in The Sportsbar, baying for blood!!!!

Mr. Shaw, did what he felt was the right thing and we should all respect that!!!

Let's all focus on what the task in hand is...

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100k tax bill hows that since 20th november we only had 4 home games out of 12 games played,income from those 4 games wouldn't atract that kinda tax surly?players and staff have been payed last month, This Directors meeting would this be at the wycombe game which i would think it will be the first time mr kharn and mr marsden have seen stanley play for a while,as mr kharns been out of the country for a month or two and both live in the london arear,may be the meeting to welcome peter shaw on board as a new Director of the club who knows.

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The income from games is VAtable, tax is for wages which still occur every month regardless of games

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It's all well and good to say you don't put Heys into the group, but what has he done? Maybe I'm missing something or your post is missing something; an explanation as to why you don't put Rob into the same category as Eric and David.

Personally, I felt it was just a matter of time until the club was back in trouble with money. Haven't we learnt by now....

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Was this meeting held by P Shaw as chairman of ASSF,or as a Director of stanley if the latter was it with the full backing of Mr Kharn ????

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I can only find this info on this site. Is this true about the financial situation. Where did all the money go from the Newcastle match? Sounds daunting
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Whalley and O'Neill's puppet, a Mr. Heys.

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We can all have our opinions, mine is that Rob Heys is OK!!!! He is never going to sell us down the river, unlike the other two, the only thing he is guilty of is caring to much!!!!!!!

My opinion..

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As a Stanley FAN Mab!!!! Thankfully he is there to keep us in the loop!!!

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Debts, debts and more debts, sponsorships have gone/not been paid, wages over budget, income is less than out goings!!!!

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So, why is Rob Heys denying this in the Observer?

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Can we not give Rob Heys a break, he’s a true ASFC Supporter and at the end of the day he’s an employee of the club and has to work within the perimeter of his contract; whatever that may be. Peter Shaw has only done what we’ve asked for and was promised; he’s been open and transparent, which is more than anyone else has been in the last two years; at least we know before the rest of Lancashire. The future of the club is in all our hands.

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Cannot answer that WH?? Thought after last weeks' article, that he had seen the light...

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Can;t argue with that except the immedaite future is actually only in the hands of 3 fans ?

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He says the forthcoming directors meeting is NOT a crisis meeting. He admits money is owed to the taxman but it's more like £30,000, not the £100,000 figure that's being bandied about on here. He says the exaggerated figures mentioned on here cause more problems for people at the club.

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The meeting was organised to ensure all stakeholder groups were being informed of everything that is currently happening and what the actual situation at the club is in regards to financing. The idea of this was for each stakeholder group to then inform everyone of any information deemed important. I for one am pleased that Peter arranged it, he deserves a good amount of credit for this, at least we are actually finding out information rather than just hearing whispers. Surely this is step forward Shakermaker?

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Not when the club CEO promptly starts denying it the next day!

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The quote in the Observer will have been made during the day yesterday to get to print today

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Peter did it as a fan, he knows what it is like for the rest of us who are always wanting transparency and I think thats why he wanted to help keep the fans informed of developments so that at least we have an idea of what is going on behind the scenes.

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It is plain to see that the clubs income/outgoings do not balance!

Who is to blame?

Does it really matter right now?

Do we go into admin or not?

There are huge questions to be answered

There will be huges changes to be made

The club ie:

The players and JC & JB need us fans,the staff (not counting the board or club managers) but the likes of lewis,the groundman,the other coaching staff,bar staff,cleaners etc..the people whos day to day lifes revole around helping the club in way they can need all the support they can right now!

None of these people asked for this mess nor did we fans,who ever you blame for this mess for whatever reasons do not turn away from the club.

Feelings are running so high because we care so much about our club but do not allow the off field matters cloud your love for the club,come tuesday(if we have a game) be loud be proud(you may feel you dont have anything to be proud of at min)but remember how far this club has come this is not the end we will have a club come whatever may but we will still have a club we will still be ASFC!

People may think im off my rocker(it has be said before)but i feel the only difference us fans can make at the monment is showing our support for our club.

Otherways of making our anger shown towards the mess off the field will come at the right the time at the right place.

Im still a proud stanley fan proud of the team the players the coaching staff,but shaking my head and wondering about business side of things but will always show my support for the club.

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Rob is not going to admit to the press that we have serious issues going on, it's like Turkeys voting for Christmas.

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Totally confused now, Dave! How could a quote about what was posted on here last night have been made during the day yesterday? Am I having one of my increasingly frequent senior moments?

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Rob's quote wasn't about last night. It was about the rumours circulating earlier this week. It's just the timing of the Observer going to press thats put the timing out of sync

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Right, thanks for the enlightenment. So Rob's saying rumours of our financial problems are greatly exaggerated? Then there's a meeting at the club a few hours later where it's said that they aren't?

Go figure...:rolleyes:

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:confused: RIGHT SO YOUR SAYING PETER SHAW GAVE YOU ALL THIS INFORMATION ABOUT OUR CLUB,NOT AS CHAIRMAN OF ASSF OR AS A NOT RATIFIED YET STANLEY DIRECTOR BUT AS A FAN. SO WHERE DID HE GET ALL THIS INFO FROM IN THE FIRST PLACE THATS THE QUESTION,IF ROB HEYS DIDN'T GIVE HIM THE INFO AND HES INCHARGE OF THE DAY TO DAY RUNNING OF THE CLUB THEN WHERE.

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I don't think he's chairman of the ASSF and he is a director, nothing to ratify, I think it just needs recording in the minutes of the next meeting

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http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ors-56607.html LIKE YOU SAY NOT UNTIL THE NEXT BOARD MEETING DAVE,SO THIS STILL LEAVES THE QUESTION OF WHERE HE GOT HIS INFO FROM:confused:

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he just did Mab.



the why and wherefore's aren't really important just the facts of the matter at hand.

If we take what Rob has said and take what Peter has said and assume that one is understated and one is overstated we are still left at the point where the money coming in does not match the moeny going out. The blame for that is equally as err equal. We are not doing the right things (or are being hindered) in our attempts to bring it in and mismanagement has led to too much going out.

THOSE ARE THE FACTS. THE CLUB IS SPENDING MORE THAN IT HAS WITH LITTLE OR NO WAY OF RECTIFYING IT.

Whether we, or Peter, or anybody else is making more of it than maybe necessary the next set of facts will be determined at the board meeting (that is not a crisis meeting apparently) and there will be some harsh decisions that need to be made. We are all prepared for that now so it will not be as bad as a press announcement that ASFC have ...... (apply as applicable)

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well i would think thats obvious mab, personally am damn pleased he did, even if i don't like the scenarios.;)

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Do you not think the information is right :confused:

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In such a difficult financial situation, This begs the question as to why John Coleman was allowed to make two permanent signings in the January Window and bring another loan player in until the end of the season.

A massive squad (by league 2 standards) has been assembled when it appears the club simply can't afford it. I'll take some convincing that the recent signings have improved anything as well.

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I dont know Peter Shaw, never met him, but i am prepared to take his word oer whats been before, and also i take the word of people i do know that know him.

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Well well well, why are stanley in such a position again, simple, we don't have enough paying public, drop the prices and get the marketing manager (do we have one I remember offering to place an ad board on the ground for a cool £800 and nobody even bothered ringing me back) visiting local schools with cut price tickets, 1000 £1 tickets per week and guess what, no debt, this business is run by muppetts, I run my own business and pay myself what the company can afford, sack the chief exec, give me half his salary and if I can't raise £1000 a week i will show my arse in m&s window, this aint that difficult guys, get on the bloody phone and generate income it aint that hard, but first get rid of whalley the sponge

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Chicken or egg ? :D

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Not much info really apart from Qoute 100k tax bill and a board meeting in london unquot,we all no that games have been called off through the weather so its not surprissing theirs a cash flow problem,s3 out of the next 5 games are at home and should help the cash flow,with all the BAD publicity over the pitch fresh in our minds now this to take in..

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nowt wrong wi cut price tickets around the schools duggie.......... but 1000 £1 tickets per week n no debt,:rolleyes:

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Weather permitting ;)

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Pitch permitting more likely, the state of the pitch and the amature pitch next door comparison was very frightful indeed :eek:

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thats down to the contractors the ones Mr K paid for we cant even blame RH/EW/DON for that balls up

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Should claim a full refund :) On a serious note I would have thought if the contractors are to blame there should be a claim. They will be insured for it

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i would think so but who sorts that out is another question is down to ASFC or Mr K????

lets just hope we get a game on tuesday

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I think you'l find that stanley used the money well on this occation NJSP;):)

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What was it ? :)

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Unless of course it was one of that trio that sourced the contractors , then got ilyas to pay for it. And if it was one of them that delayed the start of work on the pitch. Just hypothesising of course:rolleyes:

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The Observer article about Rob Heys' denying Peter Shaw's figures is now online:

Stanley directors' meeting is not a crisis meeting, says chief executive Heys | Accrington Observer - menmedia.co.uk

If the purpose of this 'stakeholder representatives' meeting with Peter Shaw was that these reps then inform everyone else, are there any more details forthcoming from this?

So far, we have a £100,000 tax debt by the end of this month and expenses exceed income.

For example, has the full £250,000 PL parachute payment been received and already been spent on unpaid bills?

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He has instructions to trim his squad!!

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Sorry to appear negative here, but I don't believe a word that comes out of RH's mouth. I have nothing against him personally, but all he can do is be a mouthpiece for EW & DON - We have had the denials before and that is all exagerrated, and it's not that bad, it's manageable, we will sort it out etc etc.... IT'S ALL LIES - Watch this space, it will be closer to Perter Shaw's version than RH's / The Clubs version......

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Peter Marsden attends quite a few games. I saw him at Barnet, Cheltenham and Stevenage, that's three out of the last four away games, and he attends home games when he can.

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Oh so we "only" owe £30,000 do we. Oh that's fine then. :rolleyes: Regardless of who'se sourced what from where the simple fact remains we are in it neck deep. :(

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To be fair if it is only 30K then that would be a fairly usual debt compared to turnover. It's only the cost of a few phone calls ;)

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According to the Telegraph the board meeting is only provisional so it may not take place after all ;)

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk...eet_in_London/

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Must be all those postponements,easy to put on a few pounds!!!!:rolleyes:

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Well R.Heys dont mention provisional in the beano, so we can take the L.E.T.s provisional as garbage.:D

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The futures bright - the futures ORANGE :D

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I have no issues with opinions, I just like an explanation along with it :) I agree though Rob is the only one at the club who can really see things from a wider prospective. Be it a business prospective or a fans prospective.

It sounds as though you were invited along to the meeting, are you a stakeholder?

I still think we are not being told enough about this "Meeting", why bother telling us some details and not the full thing?

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open and transparent - make sure the details are out there.

meeting not open to all - by the time a large venue could be found (and not many would have turned up anyway) and advertising taken place then some of the details would already be out there in the public domain. A small number of fans were selected based upon various factors including their willingness to get involved in things and their ability to communicate the facts to as wide an audience as quickly and accurately as possible. I suspect my invite was based upon my willingness to gossip!!!


Some people are in danger of not taking the important things on board because they'd rather see the negatives as to why this that or tuther. If you feel hard done by that you weren't there then try to see it as we saved you an hour of your time and the details were on the web within an hour or so of the meeting finishing.

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Maybe it is a fairly usual debt compared to turnover, but the point is that the debt is to Revenue & Customs, the very people who have had winding up orders on us, and the very people that we were told we wouldn't be in debt to again. This money has been deducted from employees' salaries and kept by the club instead of paying it to Revenue & Customs.

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you've been told the facts of what was said, without every single word for word breath and punctuation. Waddya want, audio!!!!!!!


as with every gathering of people, big or small, some people know facts and some people know what they think is fact, some things may have been said that really shouldn't have been said (either inaccurate or none of our business eg staff wages). Therefore every single thing that was discussed will not go on here no matter how much blood people bay for. The important stuff came out though and will not be held back.





*** and I'm not saying staff wages were discussed, it's just an example *****

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:)Agree with you post Jeff, iwhat i ment was Mr Marsden and Mr khan together at the same match.:)

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Somebody got it right then :D:D

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The same creditor that won't be giving us 2nd chances either upon summons and no stuff will be leaving the club on flit either.

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Would this not depend on when wages are paid,i do know they are paid monthly!would this have something to do with it,may be its a figuer that is paid out to the tax man every month that these figures have come from,only a thought.. if and not saying they were dissclosed to the members of the meeting, my question is by what right and were the staff notified and had they givern there consent to having there wages duisscused in the meeting,only if it was that is.

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I don't think he meant officially. it's the old 'behind ths stand' everybody knows what every players wages are because a friend of a friend's mum knows somebody who works for a relative of somebody's relation who works at the club, type of discussion :D

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Wages was not discussed mab!!!

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John COLEMAN and Jimmy BELL new contracts.

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it was simpled stated that all the clubs wages had be paid in full as the club had received a FL payment but i dont think any members of staff were there is confirm this......but as far i am aware this payment is made to the club every month??