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Hi Yonmon :)

Great to hear from you my good friend :)

:) :) :)

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Good to hear from you YONMON and VALAIRIAN.:wave::wave:
Really missing football and all our friends at Stanley.
Look after yourselves everyone.:skiss:
KEEP THE FAITH. :theband::theband:

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the way football is financed then lower down the leagues you go then more these clubs actually need fans to turn up at the gate. the thing that may happen is that the new contracts offered by teams in div.1 and 2 will be lower but those at the top will still have the i,m all right jack approach to football finance.

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Even Premiership clubs could go to the wall with this the way they have all scrambled for the prize of being in their among the "elite," all their income going on players wages can't be sustainable, when crowds are allowed back people will have lost jobs income or worst still a family member, they might just not rush back like football thinks they will.

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Or you’ll have the opposite and people will flock to pump money back into clubs.
Hope you’ve all bought the 50/50 tickets for this saturdays game from the supporters trust?!?!

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Nicola Palios of Tranmere, Andy Holt, among others saying this morning that the EFL needs to get it's act together and come up with a viable plan moving forward, they have mucked about now for nearly 4 weeks April,s pay cheques coming up, Andy Holt has said he has heard a few clubs already missed wages, Palios warns of a catastrophe ahead if something isn't collectively decided soon, he say,s pay cuts have to be one way forward up to 50% because some clubs are that close to financial ruin. Plus he adds that owners who usually bail out clubs will be reluctant to do so at present as their own business,s are under immense pressure and they might in some cases just throw in the towel.

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Personally, I think that's probably the greatest threat - a lot of clubs from League 1 downwards are reliant on owners who have done well for themselves out of quite small businesses and taken on their local clubs for a variety of philanthropic reasons, with no intention of making any money out of it, indeed expecting to have pour money into the bottomless pit. In times like this, for folks in this position, it's not a choice between continuing support for the club and the business - if the business goes, the club goes anyway.

Fingers crossed ……..

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Andy Pilley chairman of Fleetwood is doing a series of videos on the problems facing football just watched the first one very informative but the bad news if he is proven correct no crowds at football or any gatherings before 2021.

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Just in time for next year’s flu season then.:rolleyes:

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its all balls no-one has a clue how things will work out only the doom mongers. all these numpties are doing is worst case scenarios they dont know any better.

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I wouldn't say either Mr., Pilley or our very own Mr.Holt are numpties Cashy they are astute buisness men planning financial affairs going forward including their football interests I suggest the numpties are the owners who jumped on the pay unaffordable player wages bandwagon and people with their heads buried in the sand, this is an unknown for us all but if you think a switch will magically bring things back to normal overnight I,m afraid for once unfortunately you could be wrong.

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i aint really bothered who says what andy i am saying catagorically no one knows how this will end and i couldnt care who says different.

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I think I agree with Cashy on this one - everybody’s guessing, from the Government downwards (or should that be upwards? :-) )

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its pretty obvious to me with common sense the medical people many say different things its guesswork,

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I'm hoping Andy Holt isn't guessing with his business projections, but the EFL need to work on a par for once with owners or the game that was already in trouble will head down a leaderless alley, Andy already predicted with Stanley's loss of crowd income from this season's lost home games will have a probable 25% loss on the next playing budget whenever that maybe. I am not a doom monger quite the opposite a positive so and so this thread I started is hopefully keeping readers/fans without access to other social media abreast of what is happening however depressing it might come across for that I can only apologise for trying to make sense of a scenario non of us would have imagined just 4 weeks ago.

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i also hope andys right but to me its guesswork,

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The EFL has suggested a 25% paycut on players wages in leagues 1 and 2 but already a lot of club chairman saying it isn't enough players not taking kindly to it one league 1 chairman even suggesting he might tear up all players contracts and risk courtroom trails if it means saving the club. Scottish football yesterday ending their season's below the premiership positions standing, right or wrong they have had the balls to make a decision. These are EFL,s September,s published average wages for players:- league 1 £4753.00 a week, league 2 £2191.00 a week.

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I wonder when will we be free of this coronavirus. I can't wait to be outside again doing what I want to do.

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Premiership meeting today to discuss a deadline of June 30th as to call it a day on this season mainly due to contractual agreements coming to an end etc,etc being a legal minefield. Given current government guidelines it seems at this present time difficult to see this season,s completion. Difficult decisions about promotion and relegation among other things will be discussed.

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Absolutely no chance of a Premier club going to the wall.
There are high rollers waiting in the wings for a club in the Premier to be put up for sale. They see the price dropping - very attractive.
This crisis will be over.
Thereafter there will be shed loads to be made.
No surprise to me to see the Newcastle deal resurrected and it will go through.

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Accrington lads must be squirming seeing those figures. If only ........

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That,s why in Andy Holts words accy,s budget was correctly worked out no gambling on players to get us up what we could afford which hopefully will see accy through the crisis but probably with a decrease in future budgets.

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Seeing as the lockdown has been extended for another 3 weeks and estimates of a vaccine 12 to 18 months away can anyone on here see the resumption of crowds at football or any sport being allowed this calendar year?

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No


:)

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Yes

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yes.

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Open letter from Rick Parry at EFL going "live" very soon.

We might be a bit behind as they've given everybody around 10 mins notice!!

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Read it very interesting does mention football will probably start without spectators working on how to fund it and how to stream it to the public.

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No. Hate to say it, but pandemic's getting worse.

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The problem has I see it is when government relaxes lockdown we all know it's going to be gradual the EFL stating that the season must be finished ok then fund it because believe me without a clear funding message clubs won't co-operate fearing going bust with the expenditure behind closed doors brings. Going back to large gatherings with or without government approval without a vaccine people will be wary and change their habits which all of us are currently doing, football needs supporters otherwise it is useless let's all hope EFL for once get it right.

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thats the point. think all this haste there seems to be around to kick start football again is so misguided at the moment. its like cashy said earlier, no one knows anything but are basically guessing stuff. when things have never happened before its impossible to find an answer.

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Not wishing any doom and gloom with this, but this just goes to show that this virus shows ZERO respect.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52246007

On a more positive note, this chap has my utmost respect..............

https://www.justgiving.com/fundraisi...swalkforthenhs

Take care people :)

:) :) :)

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Link here :)

Cheers for the heads up my friend :)

https://www.accringtonstanley.co.uk/...-parry-letter/

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This is just sad. Sometimes I want to question our scientists if they really are doing their job to find a cure. I just want this to end...

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Good to see that Andy's making lots of visors:
https://www.whatmoreuk.com/supporting-our-nation/

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After reading the Rick Parry thing, even more I think no.............


:) :) :)

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It's a good read but what annoys me is they are still talking about future dates when to finish the season and still falling out about players wages, it's becoming increasingly obvious that social distancing and every thing that brings to the table that football in this country isn't going to resume any time soon. IMHO they should be doing everything in their power to protect every member club some who are already saying they will struggle to meet April,s wages never mind May and June and beyond. A decision about June 30th contract end dates should be a priority because the lower end earners out of contract with financial obligations could face severe hardship.

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Be interesting to see what happens in Spain and Italy, who seem to be ‘re-opening’ partially.

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Wow, would hate to read something you thought was bad!
To me it read more like platitudinous BS that anyone in an administrative job could have written and basically says little that most people don’t already know.

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Italy have said they hope to undo lockdown in 3 stages but all experts or most are saying social distancing will last at least until next year so bars, cinema's theatre and sports venues look to me to be the hardest to get back to normal.

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Not to mention the world’s oldest profession!

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Could be some interesting new moves.

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Premiership meeting today saying the only certainty is the uncertainty.

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Bloody hell mate if they decrease any more ............... scary times.

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And they needed a meeting to say that . . . . . ... . :rolleyes:

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better than having no budget at all because there is not a team around to budget for.

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Bit of positive news about vaccine coming out of some lab in Oxford might know by May if good news could be ready to launch in the Autumn but unlikely if it does prove to be effective large scale output not till mid to late 2021, although positive and good news for us health wise if successful I,m afraid it does put sports events back further Olympic games saying possible cancelled for another year if vaccine not available for all so next football season could be a way off.

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Bit of common sense for once Plymouth manager Ryan Lowe saying great about Rick Parry,s open letter to fans but what about 1 to the players about what they think. He says approximately about a thousand players in leagues 1 and 2 some of whom maybe upto 50% might be worried about playing and getting the virus and passing it on to close ones good point.

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Andy Holt interview in the Mail on Sunday today about his views on the ongoing scenario with football excellent read personally I think he talks a lot of sense looking forward to your views on here.

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Uefa meets on Thursday and is fully expected to endorse leagues finishing their season's early.

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Yep, just read the article - makes perfect sense to me, but since when have the EFL listened to or used much common sense, let's hope they do now

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thats a superb interview with clarky. cheers fer that.

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I know it's not football but Serbian tennis ace Djokovic has said he doesn't want to be forced into taking a vaccine will have a big decision to make if and when tennis is resumed if forced to have one to play. This has to relate to footballer,s as well will a test or vaccine be tried to be forced on them or will it be voluntary all problems that have to be debated.

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think hes probably after publicity.

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Andy Holts latest posts on twitter saying he has managed to loan from a bank not government £5,000,000 pounds to steer is companies through the covid -19 outbreak, he says the big stumbling block to them agreeing the loan was ASFC he says banks won't touch football clubs with a very long bargepole. He is saying more or less that if football authorities don't have a financial package for this so called ending season behind closed doors that most will rebel and want it finished now I have to say I,m totally with him on this one.

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Andy has also said has it stands currently there is no playing budget in place for next season whenever that is I assume he is waiting to see the final financial implications this will have on the club when we can all move on hopefully.

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what really worries me about this vaccine is the idea of it being rushed out without proper testing and without any word of possible side effects. a vaccine is needed but needs testing as thorough as any other vaccine that has come out.

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Andy Holt has again voiced his concern over finishing the season with no financial help also if this is somehow achieved next season would presumably be behind closed doors and he can foresee even with all his help and planning Accrington Stanley will be on the verge of bankruptcy.

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Rhyl FC to close down first of many I,m afraid.

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Andy Holt has said this morning that allegedly some clubs already not paying wages so if made to play behind closed doors some of these unpaid players will probably refuse to play also if Stanley told to play after June 30th would be a weakened side suggesting out of contract players will have been let go or won't be paid to play beyond that date.

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it just shows now how many clubs are really living on the edge. just cannot see how long this situation can continue especially with no light at the end of the tunnel. just get the impression that if the premier league and the champions league are ok then its sod the rest.

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Dutch government have banned any sporting events or similar with crowds until September 1st Dutch league are expected to finish season as it stands, our government needs to do something similar then football will have to tow the line however unpopular it might be in some quarters, but at least we would have some clarity personally think it would be towards end of year if such an announcement were to be made.

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National League and below called off for the season.

Looks like Satanage will survive , typical. !

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Although I don't think there's a Stanley fan alive who doesn't share the same feelings about that certain club from Hertfordshire, their league survival ( or not as the case may be ) doesn't matter a jot to me in the present circumstances, to be honest there's much more to worry about like for instance, will Stanley survive if the EFL insist on us playing the rest of our season behind closed doors

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Really don't think Stevenage will survive unless lots of clubs fold in the EFL

We've already voted to relegate one and accept 2 from NL.

I believe that on an informal conference call of L1 and L2 owners; their Chairman (good guy) has accepted they will be relegated

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Mark,
Is this correct ?

"Andy Holt has said this morning that allegedly some clubs already not paying wages so if made to play behind closed doors some of these unpaid players will probably refuse to play also if Stanley told to play after June 30th would be a weakened side suggesting out of contract players will have been let go or won't be paid to play beyond that date"

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Trying to work the squad out if we play beyond 30 June. 10 players plus non contract players. Of the 10 Hughes and McConville injured, and Finley suspended ?

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Obvious!
5-a-side! :rolleyes:

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Now that the National League has seen sense and finished until further notice Leagues 1 and 2 will undoubtedly follow reports coming out that 30 out of 47 league 1 and 2 clubs apparently want to follow suit to have a chance of survival. Even Andy Holt has said if made to play with no financial aid would cost £500,000 and the possibility of next season behind closed doors Stanley would probably fold so to me any Stanley should support Andy on this front.

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FIFA Law 3 Exile ! 7 minimum - bring yer boots !

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With the government announcing yesterday that without a vaccine or medicine to control the illness unlikely to be available this year social distancing measures expected to last until next year at least, football needs to act now and make a collective decision on the next steps so clubs have at least something to plan on.

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Troubled times at Oldham FC owner wants to furlouge players but doesn't want to make up the 20% meaning they get £2500 a month maximum some players claiming that's a 2 thirds drop in income. Owner says if they don't agree they come under normal employees rights and could be made redundant he doesn't want this to happen but wants to protect the club. Also some players have said they haven't had last month,s salary yet. As every day passes another club or clubs will face similar scenario,s.

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Just worked out that some Oldham players must have been earning £1730 a week no wonder their in trouble.

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as long as its something positive and not straw grasping like they did at the beginning of the outbreak. plan for the worst ever scenario and anything that happens better would give everyone a real lift. please, please no false hopes for fans and clubs.

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Here's some interesting numbers from 2018. Ironic that Radford at Mansfield is leading the fight for a salary cap ..............
Mansfield’s players, with an average weekly salary of £1,490, earn four times as much as their local fans, whose average earnings are said to be £372.90.

Stags players are also said to have the third highest weekly pay in League Two.
Using the same data, promoted Luton Town have the highest wage gap, their salary average of £2,101 five times greater than their fans’ total of £446.40.
Lincoln, who made the play-offs, have the second biggest gap with players earning £1,712 – four times than their fans’ average of £384.40.
Promoted Wycombe Wanderers’ players are said to earn an average £1,137, twice that of their fans’ average of £470 while Notts County, like Stags, are said to be four times the supporters’ average with players’ figure of £1,428 against fans’ £364.10.
Interestingly, champions Accrington’s average wage is said to be only £635 – the lowest in the division – and twice that of their fans’ £378.80.

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Assuming this is still the case, it explains why we often struggle to attract players.

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And clearly the budget is going to get cut further.

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Every clubs budget will be cut maybe wages cap and for some maybe no budget as they have gone.

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even the difference in stanleys average wage v the fans average is a lot greater than it was when the maximum wage was inforce. lots of clubs did not pay the maximum anyway but even those who didn,t players wages were always slightly but only slightly above the towns average. in my old mans case pre war it was a couple of pound a week in the season but less in summer.

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There is though, one thing we HAVE that every other Club does NOT ;)

Regardless of anything, we will always attract players, just maybe not Messi :)

:) :) :)

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Very optimistic view is that.
We will only attract the players others reject because even with a salary cap we will always get out done financially.
How Coley manages to keep unearthing I don't know but signs this season some clearly did not work out at all.

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IMHO Stanley can and do attract ‘The right players for OUR club‘. Mainly young players that we usually do well with and who often make a further step up. And since Andy Holt got the players to commit to longer contracts the club can benefit financially when they get sold on. John and Jimmy have proved how good they are at working in this situation, in fact they are MASTERS at it! Andy Holt knows the limitations in financial terms that our little club can commit regarding improving ground infrastructure and in paying wages etc. IMHO Andy is a MASTER too. We might be one of the smallest clubs in pro football but we are one of the best run. We have also been quite successful results wise too. All the above factors along with a TOTALLY COMMITTED FAN BASE, albeit small make our ACCRINGTON STANLEY simply THE BEST LITTLE CLUB IN THE WORLD for me!
ON STANLEY ON.:theband:
KEEP THE FAITH :wave8::mosher::jimbo::jimbo::jimbo:

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Wise words from a wise person ;)

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Dutch league finished declared null and void no champions and no promotion or relegation.

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Luton part company with their manager,assistant manager first team coach and their goalkeeping coach although mutually agreed Luton citing financial cost cutting in the current climate as the primary reason, so it could be that not just players coming out of contract are vulnerable but management and coaching staff too.

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No idea where these football club wage figures have come from ??
If they are from L2 the year we went up really don't think they are correct. I'll look up up and post what's "sensible"
Stay safe folks

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On another note;

The figures being quoted to clubs from the EFL;

There are 1400 players in L1 and L2 who's contracts expire on June 30th 2020; seems at lot; 29 per club; but that's what we get told at every meeting

We've got 20

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Not good - in my opinion!!

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Not the first thing Rupert Murdoch has his snout in that’s been closed down!:rolleyes:

On 8 August 2012 it was made public that tycoon Rupert Murdoch had secured the rights to the Eredivisie for 12 years at the expense of 1 billion euros, beginning in the 2013–14 season

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Andy on TalkSport:
https://talksport.com/football/efl/6...r8r9WiHOvdQJMk

Worrying.

And Coley's thoughts:
https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status...344192/photo/1

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[QUOTE=MikeA;1239540]Andy on TalkSport:
https://talksport.com/football/efl/6...r8r9WiHOvdQJMk

Worrying.

Have to agree with both statements and opinions expressed are surely being relayed to the EFL.Can,t see crowds at football for at least until 2021 behind closed doors you would have to implement all sorts of safety precautions showering after games seperatly have you seen Stanley,s dressing room, media facilities would have to be seperate, dugout and technical area safe distancing and as for the game it's a contact sport non starter for me.

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agree also and not just because andy holt is saying it. if clubs get some financial rewards for playing behind closed doors then that is fine if 100 per cent safe to do so. if not its totally pointless. so will next season if it kicks off in a similar way. have heard it could be 12 months at least till we get back to normal making next season a big doubt as well. it ends up how much money the game actually has to continue to prop up clubs.

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Well if certain clubs can afford to pay someone £350,000+ a week and then they don't play there is plenty of money floating around question is who has it clubs, players or agents not sure but for clubs like Accrington hibernation is the only sound financial way and it's not guaranteed to work for everyone, unfortunately a lot of players will become casualties but also will a lot of the general public who will lose livelihoods due to this awful pandemic, stay safe.

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its not really about which clubs have money or not, there has always been arsenals and accringtons and manchester uniteds and morecambes. its more about what money the EFL and premier league has to help clubs throughout the game. probebly there is only a handful of clubs who are not in debt anyway so clubs helping out neighbours is not an option.

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Maybe as we aren't in debt we should be helping out some struggling Premier League club? :D

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EFL where are you and what are you doing clubs need decision making otherwise they will do what they choose, Colchester already decided that all out of contract players will be released even admitting that some of them would have been offered new deals before this covid-19. I can see other clubs following suit wether Stanley do I don't know but wouldn't be surprised.

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French government say no football to be played untill at least August even behind closed doors, their leagues follow suit and cancel season forthwith, only a matter of time before same here.

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I think its September mate.