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I thought Andy had already made it clear that he won't be paying any player out of contract beyond 30/6 ?
Same decision just different wording ?

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Those out of contract on the 1/7 and not at another club can claim 1 additional month, so financially in practical terms we should budget for the end of July for any releases.
That does not mean a player is contracted to play in July if released at the end of June and why would they, if they then run the risk of injury during that period.

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The way things are going with this pandemic we are sadly now the 3rd highest death toll in the world can't see any football even behind closed doors until at least the autumn, IMHO it will be the government who will make the decision as the French did, as for crowds returning that's anyone's guess.

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Looks like EFL about to end this season according to reports circulating stating testing procedures for covid-19 probably unable to be carried out how they decide on how its finished not clear.

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Word on the street.
Premier - will be concluded all matches without fans at St Georges - 2 maybe 3 per day commencing 6/20.
Players to report 15/5/20.
Regular testing no family contact for players until finished.
EFL to close down.
No relegations only promotions.
Which means three extra teams in the Premiership ?

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Bit strange that during this pandemic the minister for sports has been very quiet, this word on the street scenario would have to have the government go ahead but more importantly the players cooperation which.according to more gossip on the street is far from cut and dried.

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Hi 28. What and where is St Georges?

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Saint Georges Park ( SGP) is near Burton.

2 hotels on site and only one ( very secure) road in

No idea where "the word on the street" information has come from as none of this was discussed as either the L1 or L2 meetings yesterday

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Also should have said there is a Govt Select Committee Meeting next week to discuss all things professional sport. EFL has been invited to attend

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Been past quite a few times is quite isolated but still don't think it will work as players don't want among other things to wear masks while playing and don't want to put families at risk government guidelines will be forthcoming I,m sure.

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[QUOTE=Mr T;1239726]Also should have said there is a Govt Select Committee Meeting next week to discuss all things professional sport. EFL has been invited to attend[/QUOT


So all the speculation might be just that the government will decide whether the EFL can deliver if for example no crowds until a vaccine then unless funded by some source it is a non starter IMHO. What's your views Mr T.?

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to me its all a load of balls (speculation) until someone in authority makes a decision!

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England headquarters in Burton.

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Why would it be ?
Premiership this is about not EFL.
However ......
So you aren't aware of the leaked recording from Bristol Rovers which is under investigation for instance ?

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So if its not true about the promotion / relegation discussions then this PFA Rep has lied to his team mates.

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Yes aware of the Bristol Rovers "leak".

The Bristol CEO was on our video meeting and told us how this came into the public domain.

Suspect PFA are telling PL and EFL one thing and something slightly different to their reps.

EFL are now talking directly to some club captains

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And Cashy I,d bet money on it we won't be watching football live anytime soon and I for one ain't the slightest bit interested in behind closed doors premiership garbage on the box bet you aren't too.

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If this closed-doors nonsense happens, what’s the likelihood, after the first few matches, that the broadcasters use ‘canned’ crowd effects to spice it up?

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Couldn't care less won't be watching it.

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Andy Sir;

Why is that your stance please ?

In my view watching via I Follow, with home clubs getting the money is the only way I can think of that professional football will survive.

Nothing is set in stone but what other options are there please ?

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Sorry if I have been misleading I am subscribed to I follow and would watch Stanley if available I am on about the premiership. Have watched previous away games involving Stanley on I follow but personally think this season will be written off and presumably no crowds allowed till next year next season's format will have to be drawn up, hopefully with all clubs surviving but that is a big ask I,m afraid.

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Cheers Sir for this clarification;

Only my view but until crowds are allowed; who knows when the only "income" I can think of it all games on I-Follow and the home club gets the money.

Also if clubs have sold season tickets; those people then can access to I follow as part of their ST until its safe to return.

This would also need fans to "play fairly" and not have lots of people watching games on 1 device.

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That's apart from all of the less scrupulous ways of accessing ifollow for nothing via firesticks which are doing an absolutely roaring trade right now.

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Why some ?
Why not all ?

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This among other things is the problem football without fans/income is like any other business it will struggle, look at retail clothing shops warning 20% will never reopen, non food retailers warning things will take years if ever to get back to where they were. Football and other sports are not immune things will be tough for a lot of clubs any form of income will be looked on gladly.

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Good question Sir;

Sir Seamus wants to be on the calls; but he has 2 lovely children so family life takes over
Suspect this will be questioned;

Very happy to say I had a great 1 to 1, socially distanced chat with Seamus yesterday; keep an eye on the BBC :)

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I'm aware of his interview Mark. Look forward to watching it on BBC Breakfast ... if not tomorrow then Monday.

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A question for Mr.T, if you don't mind it's been 7 weeks since a ball has been kicked and bearing in mind this is uncharted territory for everyone and a lot of criticism being aimed at various footballing bodies, has there been any major decisions made yet or is everything still up in the air?

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Nothing is in and nothing is out; PL and EFL plan is to re-start BUT the issue in L1 and L2 is that a lot of clubs have contracts with expire on June 30th. Will all clubs have enough registered players to complete the season in a competative manner.
Main focus has been meetings with the PFA who are only slowly joining in.

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Thanks for that Mr. T, having seen that Colchester published their release list the other day with 16 players on it others will probably follow suit. It's a very trying time logistically and I think some managers won't be happy to carry on with reduced squads reduced transfer windows whatever gets thrown in the makeup. It's going to be a financial nightmare I think for the majority of clubs do you think personally some will inevitably fold.

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[QUOTE=Mr T;
Main focus has been meetings with the PFA who are only slowly joining in.[/QUOTE]

you would have expected them to have been talking weeks ago as it affects the livelihood and possibly the health of their members. said at the outset of all this i was looking for their point of view. suppose thats why i heard nothing in relpy at the time.

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trouble is probably half of the P.F.A. are half wits?

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who is our players representative on the PFA.

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Perhaps Cashy can step in.

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Sean Mc is our PFA rep

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worried, love football, love Stanley but can’t see I will be able to watch the team play at the Wham anymore this year, so this means no season ticket sales for next season so how does our club survive

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not a good prognosis, think thats worrying many of us.

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It's more likely to survive if it doesn't have to waste money on the stupid idea of finishing the season behind closed doors, better to write it off baton down the hatches unfortunately let out of contract players go and when it's deemed safe enough for fans it's safe enough for players, hopefully Stanley and the majority of clubs will be still around and raring to go. Inevitably though football will change hopefully financially at the very least so has clubs aren't forever walking a tightrope.

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think however its sorted its gonna be very iffy for many clubs.

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Oh dear Sky Sports article stating could be an entire 2020/21 season with no crowds Premiership behind closed doors, hope to God they find a vaccine or treatable drugs or football as we know it will change beyond what we know now.

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do not want any clubs to get into trouble if only for their fans sake. my only fear is that if there is a chance of bailouts for clubs there could be a bit of crying wolf about. got to the point i,m afraid that trust does not come easy for me.

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It's interesting how football always talks of its uniqueness.
Can't imagine many other sports being in a different position.
Don't hear many Cricket Clubs, Rugby League / Union shouting get us back in front of crowds or we're finished.

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One example in March the English Cricket Board announced a £61 million support grant for cricket also various support grants and schemes for clubs and grassroots clubs acted quickly and in unison unlike some I could mention. Trouble with football is it ,s us and them attitude so always going to be a falling out.

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I've heard quite a lot of squealing from all these sports - a government bailout for RL was reported only yesterday. But in any case, generally their gate takings are much lower than at football's top level, and their player wage bills much further from insane. So the immediate impact is less severe.

Which is not to say that a good few L1 and L2 clubs might not have to go semi-pro (at least) to survive a season with no gate income. Which would leave a lot of good honest professionals, who've never earned silly salaries, out of work with few prospects.

A limited dose of realism would be no bad thing for the professional game. But a full season would be pretty catastrophic.

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Pro football is different to cricket and RL as our season has nearly finished; neither of their's have started.

County cricket doesn't get massive crowds ( apart from T20) and can sort of be played with out contact.

RL has had a "bale out" as the World Cup is being staged here next year and suspect most clubs don't pay massive wages.

Football has big crowds, impossible to play and "social distance" and we're 3/4 of the wage through a season.

Plus we link into European competitions which generate cash for a lot of industries.

The money HM Govt will get from football will be massive;

Income Tax; 12.8% employers NI, 20% VAT on all gate money, the booze we all drink at games is heavily taxed etc.

Obviously safety is paramount

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This is a short extract from a piece written by football finance lecturer Kieran Maguire:- If the Premier League is unable to replace the £667 million match day revenue during a season-long lockdown then there will presumably be more clubs who need to negotiate wage reductions with players or face the possibility of going out of business, premier league football ball is not immune from the virus.
If that scenario of no fans at football extends to next season which is quite possibly what does that mean to Stanley and the rest of football if the above article is any were near accurate.

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back to rugby league. outside its top division the super league its still more or less a part time sport where many clubs survive of three figure crowds and rarely anything more. more like the national league north in football terms.

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Not so mate.

List of Championship average attendances:

Toronto Wolfpack – 6,521

Bradford Bulls – 4,339

Widnes Vikings – 4,321

Leigh Centurions – 3,259

Toulouse Olympique – 2,488

Featherstone Rovers – 2,235

York City Knights – 2,125

Halifax RLFC – 1,761

Barrow Raiders – 1,389

Batley Bulldogs – 1,347

Dewsbury Rams – 1,231

Swinton Lions – 1,078

Sheffield Eagles – 944

Rochdale Hornets – 795

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Link to our captains interview with BBC Sport...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/52561141

Have a word Twenty Eight, he’s turning into a celebrity with these interviews ��

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fair play to him its a good interview, ta fer putting it on,

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All part of the greater plan ...... careers end like it or not. He's studying hard.

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Unfortunately can see a lot of careers in football ending prematurely.

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Well biased or otherwise the club will have to go a long way to find a more devoted Club Captain who takes his role very seriously indeed added to which contrary to popular belief is a good player to boot.
I hope that the powers that be realise it and keep him.

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Scunthorpe United the latest to announce retained list 11 first team players and 4 under 23,s released and a lot of local news media,s across the country have on reports of a lot of EFL club doctors raising safety concerns are saying likely EFL will cancel this season next week.

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On the example of Scunthorpe those numbers are not surprising even in a standard season so it shouldn't be suggested they've been distorted by the current epidemic.

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Not about Scunthorpe those players remain on the books untill 30th June do you think that if the scenario of behind closed doors was played out any of those players wouldn't be involved I presume thus creating a unfair playing field similar to the Bolton fiasco at the start of this season.

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Correct sir;

That's why the cut off date of the 30th July is so important.

Any player (and there's 1400 of them in L1 and L2) who's contract expires June 30th 2020 gets another months "severance pay" IF they've not found another club. The EFL are fairly sure as a "one off" that the PFA will ask their members to play in July IF needed.
IF season recommences June 6th; I'm thinking regular season would end July 4th; so only teams involved in-play offs would be playing deep into July. To protect the integrity of the competition only current players can play in this season's games

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Unless there is a significant contribution to playing behind closed doors then protecting the integrity of the competition would lead to the destruction of the competition as we now know it. Also the premiership,s determination to finish the season behind closed doors and air it to the
public has if we are all desperate to watch soulless empty stadium games shows to me how our of touch with genuine non armchair supporters they are.

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actually he may enjoy life away from the game much better. at least he and others will not suffer mindless abuse from so called fans once they pack the game in.

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He's a few more seasons in the tank yet and if the Club decides not to keep him there will be suitors.

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Point taken;

But what's your solution??

We've only completed 72% of the season and clubs want promotion without court room battles.

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Declare all outstanding EFL games 0-0 draws.
All teams get a point per unplayed game.
Then play two sudden-death, play-off semi-finals at neutral venues, followed by play final at neutral venue.
Maximum three games to fit in involving four clubs and two or three venues.
Then start worrying about next season.

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Not sure what a fair solution is apart from a vote among club members as to end the season and decide on a fair outcome to avoid silly court room dramas oh forgot it's all about money though sad really in such bad times they still can't agree a common goal for the good of the game going forward.

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Hard to deny a club a promotion it may very well deserve, and the riches that go with it.

Personally id settle up.on a ppg basis, promote those clubs occupying the spots, play offs on telly for those involved snd NO relegations. Extra relegation spots from the PL the following season to realign the numbers.

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Yep, agree with that. Promotion without relegation - but possibly only promote the automatics. The others only have a 1-in-4 chance anyway. And it would reduce the number of relegations needed to sort things out next season.

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Definitely not promotion without relegation.
Opens up a whole can of worms....

People saying ‘integrity’ of competition....
All about money? Footballs a business at the end of the day....

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Sorry, I cannot agree to the promotion without relegation scenario, otherwise the whole fiasco at Bolton and Southend is for nothing. They will effectively have got away with it. Relegate the 2 bottom clubs from League 1 and promote 3 from League 2 IMHO plus 1 down from League 2 and 2 up from the Conference. I have nothing against Bolton or Southend but they are the bottom 2 for a reason, both deserve a season in League 2.

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Liking these idea's most mirror with mine (These are MY views)
Don't like PPG as I believe that promotes Wycombe. Love the people at Wycombe loads but their ground isn't fit for the Champ and their new owner is happy to end it now.

I'd use SGP for the play-offs, remote secure site, replica Wembley pitch. Might need a bit of work to get it rigged up for Sky, but would be worth it if all the games were being played there are say 3 weeks.
Bolton and Southend both have been poor and Tranmere are another club who want to finish. Yes they've played a game less but it's v Fleetwood who haven't lost for ages!!

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many talk about promotion but its relagation that bothers me the most. how many clubs over the years have done a stanley. look dead and buried until they come up with their own great escape. no messing round with points awarded for non played games as no person can factor the great escapes into it. one thing for certain is that all clubs in all divisions who are currently well into the relagation zone will certainly not all have gone down.

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Dutch football will not return before September and crowds whenever it returns will not be allowed until a vaccine is available their health minister has announced.

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Is it true or untrue that all clubs have sent Rick Parry details of their finances and this is where he gets his £200 million black hole in EFL clubs finances up to September could you comment on this Mr T., please.

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All clubs were asked to send totally honest cash flow's to the EFL, without Extra owner/ football fortune support.

Sad to say PFA don't believe there is no money at clubs. These figures if needed will be independently audited by Delotties IF clubs want/ need to defer wages.
PFA WON'T agree to cuts

yes this is where the £200 million is from

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I could suggest where the PFA could find ‘loads a money’.

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/pfa-...m1hprtv1n0kruz

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that action is typical of that barsteward.

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So if the PFA don't believe the figures that means they will be fighting pay cuts or deferalls for their members/players, but ultimately the clubs have the decisions to make about their futures and staying solvent so I can see most clubs offloading their out of contract players and because no one knows the future won't be offering many new contracts sadly going to be a lot of out of work footballers as with the wider working class going to be a lot of unemployment for the foreseeable sad times.

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Rochdale have announced that due to the real possibility of no spectators through the door until at least 2021 to furlouge the majority of non-playing staff, senior management have taken a 50% pay cut and the on-line shop closed until further notice these steps have been taken to protect the future of the club.

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Andyd;
Spot on; shorter contracts are offered in L1 and L2 with 1400 expiring on June 30th 2020; hence this being a critical date. Likewise clubs will have to reduce squad size. Some lads drop into non league but theses clubs totally rely on fans income to operate

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Do some of that 1400 have 1 year options attached. or are these straight end of contract those that are will I think will 99% be ended.

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its going to be like it was in the 70,s and 80,s again when lower league clubs will operate with smaller squads on lower wages at least for a season at least. its hardly going to be a new revolution in football. even stanley have paid wages out last season or so to some players who have hardly had a kick. may sound harsh but if you cannot make it in the game then you should look for work outside it.

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If clubs wont renew contracts why on earth would they exercise one year options ?

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Agreed to an extent .... but squads are a necessary evil to cover for injuries and suspensions.

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Same as now whatever your budget you go small or large squad.

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In Spain players testing positive for Covid, Germany too one entire squad in isolation and sadly in Germany reports coming out their R rate as gone back above 1.

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Brighton got 3 players positive i read.

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Yeh and instead of focusing on the future of the entire pryamid in our game and how to stop it catastrophically falling apart all you read about is how they can finish their precious premiership

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Premiership financially more implicated so can understand why.
Without Prem money football in this country would be very different.
Compared to virtually every other country, our EFL is 100 times stronger...
Do we want to go down B team route like other euro countries?
Not to say I haven’t heard noise coming from EFL however.

Brighton opposed to all ideas currently suggested...
Brighton have 3 ‘un-named’ cases in squad....

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[QUOTE=StanleyJosh;

Brighton opposed to all ideas currently suggested...
Brighton have 3 ‘un-named’ cases in squad....[/QUOTE]

a cynic like me is not surprised of one thing following another with them.

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I think these may be the stories you highlighted.



https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-dy...nce/a-53386059


https://www.dw.com/en/germany-infect...ted/a-53383279

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According to this, Stanley could yet be champions!
https://www.skysports.com/football/n...n-permutations

And, if you believe that....

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And, despite it being a somewhat convoluted formula, the positions of the teams would ‘most probably’ remain exactly as they are. Only Lincoln and Peterborough might be expected to improve by one or two positions, but that would appear to have no impact on promotion or relegation.

So why not just end the agonising now over this season and concentrate on how to manage the play-offs?

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EFL have to wait and see if Prem decide on relegation or not.
Holding up a vote at the moment as EFL Clubs can’t vote due to know on effect.

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Premiership protocol to return to training government guidelines no tackling disenfected pitches and only groups of five no traveling together, it's a farce when will they realise footballers are no different to any other worker stop the sham and return when deemed safe are Jo public missing it that much to risk people's health I for one am not.

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Football is a business.
Many businesses are returning to work.
Many businesses are implementing restrictions whilst working.

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Exactly how do you social distance playing football it will be farcical.

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agree 100% but yeh cant see that if yer an half wit.

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Exactly how they are doing at the moment Andy by returning to training.
In a few weeks time the small steps may turn into slightly bigger steps.

There isn’t going to be a point where one day everything will be back to normal.
It will take these small steps to get there. To see if it can work.

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I,m no expert on gardening but pretty sure if you disinfect grass it won't do it much good. Are football clubs going to do what businesses are doing and giving players a choice on health concerns such as asthma etc, or if your from a ethnic background which is a concern to train or not.

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Football is a business but unlike golf clubs fishing tennis etc who are all in it together why are the government pushing the premiership into training bypassing Stanley and the rest of football right down the pryamid to return to training. Because they haven't got a minutes thought about the lesser leagues just about income from the premiership I,m ok with that if they bale everybody out but it's plain to see to me the government as well as top flight football don't give a hoot about Stanley and the rest and certainly don't care about the health of the premiership,s squads.