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I completely disagree with your comments.

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I welcome your view it's a free country.

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I,m no expert on gardening but pretty sure if you disinfect grass it won't do it much good. Are football clubs going to do what businesses are doing and giving players a choice on health concerns such as asthma etc, or if your from a ethnic background which is a concern to train or not.


There will be Premiership players that refuse to play.
Danny Rose I know will say no.
Sheffield United have given all their players the option and will not criticise any of them if they say no - and they've a chance of Champions League.

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All the recent points on here are well made. I understand what you are saying about some players refusing to play. However, even if they are supported by their clubs, the PFA and the Premiership overall I doubt whether the majority of fans at their club will support their decision if they refuse to play. Just my opinion....I guess we will see what happens....

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I think you will be refreshingly surprised mate.
Supporters in the main understand where we are ......

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Footballers should be allowed to choose whether it is right for them to return to playing, Middlesbrough midfielder Adam Clayton has said.

Clayton's father Steve spent 51 days in intensive care with Covid-19.

"Ultimately I think it will end up with the players making the decision whether they feel right to do it or not."

Well said Adam.

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agree with what that Boro player has said.

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So after today's latest EFL meeting the most that came out of it was no return to training before the 25th May if that's all they have come up with after 8 and a half weeks what hope is there.

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Things are moving slowing as we only got information on Boris on Sunday and the Elite Athlete information yesterday afternoon.

The EFL and it's clubs cant do anything without this information

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A quick question Mr.T regarding announced measures regarding training in the premiership about guidelines around safety social distancing, disenfected areas, no tackling etc:- how would Stanley go having no training ground often in the past sharing Hyndburn sports centre.

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Correct sir;

That's going to be a massive challenge for us and several other small clubs.

Morecambe train at Lancaster Uni and there are 1400 overseas students on the campus who can't get home!!

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Thanks for the response.

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Government giving football permission to restart in June when safe and obviously behind closed doors and a brief mention of sharing the money around, bit sceptical on that one but moving ahead a number of months and some kind of season was started and aired on some form of media what's your thoughts on numbers watching their own clubs would they mirror average gates or be more or less?

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dont see how thats possible football is a contact sport. trainings one thing playings another,

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They could happen play with clowns boots on a bit like John Westwood the Pompey fan with the bell wears

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League 1 chairman starting to fall out publicly on twitter about wether or not to finish the season always going to happen without clear messages and guidance from authorities could turn nasty.

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Andy Pilly of Fleetwood saying the remaining fixtures must be completed for the sake of the integrity of football. Integrity? From a man who employs Joey Barton - you couldn't make it up :rolleyes:

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How can there be any integrity left in the competition if clubs have already done their retained lists, teams altered beyond recognition, furloughed players having to be unfurloughed, clubs bankrupting themselves and risking players and their families health.

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Can't see Accrington Stanley joining in nor quite a few others.

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Take Andy Holts twitter posts with a pinch of salt if you wish or believe them, he,s posted this morning that since March 13th when he furloughed most off Stanley's players and staff the government has paid £151,022.65 and now the EFL says they want the season finished, he,s saying quotes for testing players to complete 9 or 10 games £140,000 that's integrity for you. Unless you're integrity pushes you forward to pay for it all has the EFL got any integrity.

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Surprised at his comment saying £140,000 is more than club gets for season tickets.
Hmmmmm.......

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think the majority of fans would actually watch their own clubs on some pay per view site as long as it will be easy for people like me, who are a bit teccy vacant, to do so. for exiles it will be a dream come true. at least gillingham away will be better in your living room than trailing down to that hole.

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Numbers would be less.
Some people go to football to meet mates and for the match day experience rather than watching the football.

Also, family of 5 say - that’s 1x £10 iFollow pass to watch on their TV rather than 5x match day tickets.

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Andy's thoughts as reported on a Manchester City blog:
Read But Never Red » Read But Never Red » It might be football?but not as we know it

I can't imagine what he'd make of the comparison with Manchester City's owners...

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When you factor all last season,s prices across early bird normal and all categories last season,s average price season ticket was £139.56 divide £140,000 for easy reckoning by that figure gives 1003 ticket holders, although not accurate he won't be far out.

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I subscribed to I follow as soon as Stanley joined in and watched every away game they showed not like being there but it had a crowd with noise and the games were pre Covid, without crowds and noise unless they shove some in and also home games not being there is hard to imagine uptake depends on price and quality might be better than nothing though.

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Where are you getting £139.56 from??

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i watched ifollow with aways i could not get to, but this is different i mean the club must pay for all the expensises putting these games on it will more or less bankrupt them i think? so on that basis unless told different i will not watch these games if thats the case.

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Read the post average under 12,s for instance early bird £23 as I said not totally accurate just pointing out Mr.Holt won't be far off.

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Sold far more adult season tickets however. I’d imagine our income is closer to 250k on season tickets.

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Spot on Cashy about the expense side some folk don,t seem to grasp that and only interested in the football being played, EFL and rest of the games authorities should have been on top of this from the outset of this covid-19 crap and all they do is pussyfoot from one meeting to another.

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Just a thought - how would it be possible for the Championship to fulfill their fixtures when two of their member clubs, Swansea & Cardiff can not currently travel out of Wales & nor can other clubs visit their grounds. This would also apply in league 2 with Newport if they vote to carry on????

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Surprise surprise league 1 and EFL unable to decide whether to end the season now or not meet again next week are they on some kind of retainer, can't be bothered anymore they will still be talking at Xmas.

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Surprise surprise the clubs wanting to finish for "integrity" purposes have something to play for.
How about a few decisions for the good of the game overall ?

I'm done.
Boring now.

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Hearing league 2 are going to cancel weighted PPG going to be used to determine table.

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You have more staying power than me.
I’ve been bored within shilly-shallying for weeks.;)

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BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52679614

and a Stoke-based site: https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/spor...n-live-4134773

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What's good enough for League Two .............................

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Will Barrow be promoted up from National League.

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If Satanage aren’t to be relegated (as stated in above link) and Leagues are not to increase in numbers, then presumably Barrow could go up if only three clubs from L1 went down.

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Nothing can be finally decided until the Primadonna League make their minds up about what they're going to do, and the resulting interactions with the Championship. Brown sticky stuff always flows downhill :rolleyes:. And if any over-extended clubs in EFL or NL go bust :eek: through lack of income / bailout funds, there could be quite a few unexpected extra promotions to fill the leagues up before we start again.

Don't think there will be so many we'll finish up in the Championship, though :D

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Spot on about the meetings Andy, it was the same at the start of the season and all the meetings about Bury, they went on for weeks and it all came to nothing except for a few TV interviews for the Shakers owner and EFL chairwoman. It would most likely have been cheaper to save the Shakers than pay all the travelling and meeting expenses.

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Personally, the club chairmen who want the season finished are living in cloud cuckoo land. Peterborough, Ipswich, Sunderland, Fleetwood, Oxford Utd and Portsmouth are the teams wanting to play out the season. Please note, the majority of these teams are just in or even outside the play off places. And to cap it all, the Peterborough chairman states "those teams who do not want to play should forfeit the game" Complete and utter joke. I can understand that missing out on promotion and the play offs might be upsetting for some, however, the safety of all players MUST come first. This scheme could quite easily lead to a 2nd wave of Covid-19 and I for one don't want that to happen. So basically 6 chairpersons out of 23 want to restart football and all the complexities. In my book, the majority rules and being that the majority is nearly 3 times the number, I say do like League 2 teams have done and sort out the issues afterwards

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Andy Holt.......
Integrity.....Realistic Ambition......Prudence.......Sound Business Acumen.......Simple Common Sense.......
We are so lucky to have him at the helm here at Accrington Stanley.
Thanks Andy.
ON STANLEY ON
WE WILL SURVIVE
WITH ANDY AT THE HELM!:theband::alright::jimbo:

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Now they’re suggesting even more teams in the pay-offs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52683643

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Rearrange the following : organise brewery not could **** a up in a

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Keep this up and Stanley could yet be in the ‘Pay Offs’......Championship here we come !:130:

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Total joke has been from the start.

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And the best is yet to come imagine the meetings they are going to have about next season.

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To me as a fan this season was easy to sort as league 2 and the national Leagues did, next season is the bigger hurdle to navigate, when does it start with or without crowds, contracts to sort with no income, length of season depending on start or how many clubs have kept alive I could go on but the way they have dealt with things so far football,s future looking dire with that shower overseeing it.

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is there anyone actually out there surprised by yesterdays outcome. a cynic like me always thought they had arranged the outcome weeks ago. something to keep fans interests in the game for a few weeks longer. football was always looking for a way back before anything else was ever talked about for any other business and the season being ended will at least give the game some credibility for those who cannot see the tunnel never mind its end at the moment.

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I think Barrow will come up to restore the 92, i can't see the Bury decision being reversed.

It will be good to see our old rival and a Lancashire club return to the football league.

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At least now in league 2 those players without a contract can now look to sort out their personal furtures beyond June 30th wether that's in football another career or even signing on league 1 players still in limbo.

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Andy,
The players whose contracts expire on 30 June have been allowed to speak to prospective new employers since January. The only reason the transfers are in limbo is because all the clubs want to know how this season gets resolved.
The market is still quite buoyant and I think there will be a lot of handshake deals in principal already done, and once the future is known they'll all get formalised.
Some clubs are running with two budgets set for next season dependent upon which league they are in.
That then reflects on the signings they want to make.

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Seamus is representing the lads as Club Captain. He takes his role very seriously. Sean Mc is the PFA representative. Wonder what his view is ?
See Andy Holt's tweet this morning.

"I’ll tell you something else.

Our captain
@ASFCofficial
Seamus Coneely has asked me many times what is going on.

Players need to know NOW who is getting contracts and who isn’t.

They have families, mortgages lodging etc.

I can’t answer him.

They’re sick of uncertainty
@PFA"

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all clubs and not just ours are in the same boat. in normal times are not the retained lists all out by now. those who clubs have freed and those who are being offered new contracts.

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The EFL are pushing back the "retained" list until 23rd of June or the usual 4 days after a clubs last game.
Obviously clubs can do it earlier if they want to talk to players.
However it's all a tad difficult until we know central distributions and when crowds will be allowed back into stadiums

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Some clubs running with 2 budgets well I bet if no crowds this year some will be running with none.

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Colchester were in League2 play offs and chairman said all 24 clubs were in agreement with decision which says to me the clubs put players safety before anything else.?

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Don’t shoot the messenger !

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Felt so sorry for the lady owner of Port Vale.
She think she might get stick from their fans.
I hope not

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only off the knobheads,i think if she does. imho. i dont like it doubt many will but to me shes correct.

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What! :eek:
I hope the Covid Police weren’t watching from their drones.:rolleyes:

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Ok then wink wink.

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Salford release 11 at least they can get on with their lives and Salford with running their club league 1 hopefully will go same way Monday.

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Apparently the German experience behind closed doors had no problems with fans turning up but managers and players saying it wasn't that enjoyable and fans tweeting they didn't enjoy watching it maybe only small minority but is it all worth it.

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This behind closed doors is a nonsense apparently although adviced not to some German players hugged in groups celebrating scoring it sends out mixed messages, after the Spanish flu were they practised social distancing which is a form of herd immunity eventually things returned to normal, why can't football wait for crowds to be allowed because it will happen or are the big clubs not bothering about supporters just interested in TV money.

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Aren’t all the players isolating together though?

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Err...isolating...together?
What, they’re training, eating, sleeping, socialising with no-one other than their team!

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Sorry, mis read a previous comment haha

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[QUOTE=andyd;l, why can't football wait for crowds to be allowed because it will happen or are the big clubs not bothering about supporters just interested in TV money.[/QUOTE]

it does send out a bad message to everyone. even if there are no fans present it does seem like business as normal for them whilst us normal folk are still having to restrict their lives.

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I started to watch the German matches live on BT Sport in empty stadia on Saturday. I gave up after twenty minutes because the obvious lack of atmosphere was a total turn off.....so I turned it off! Empty stadia with only a training ground atmosphere is not going to draw me in to watching!:enough:

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its for the dickheads with money is my reckoning.

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These Korean ‘fans’ seem to be really enjoying themselves, although the one in the white t-shirt might be in trouble for gestering to the ref! :rolleyes:

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Seems the club in question may be in trouble. They apparently were made by a sex doll company, in a country where porn is banned!!

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Nigel Clough sacrificed, or unwilling to cut his cloth?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52706900

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All three asked to take a pay cut and refused. Nigel, Simon and Gary Charles.

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Stand by for more .....

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Probably many more.

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Mmm;

Interesting as Burton are the biggest "champions" of cuts for players.

Can't really believe Nigel really needs the money ( only a guess) OR a superb news story to get others to buy into the FACT that football wages have to be realistic going forward.

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I don't know about Cloughie junior not needing the money, I remember back in 2009 when we were selling wristbands as part of the SOS campaign. He was at the game & to be fair he bought one from me - & then stood & waited a good 10 to 15 minutes for his 50p change :D

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There’s also the other Cloughie junior - Simon.
Excellent foil for Nigel did all his scouting for him and opponent assessments. Very knowledgeable and smashing guy.

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You never know, if only half of this guy’s worst fears come true, more fans might actually prefer to watch ‘real’ football in the lower leagues than ‘sanitised no-futbol’.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/0...e-of-football/

We can only hope.

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[QUOTE=Exile on Spencer St;1240311]You never know, if only half of this guy’s worst fears come true, more fans might actually prefer to watch ‘real’ football in the lower leagues than ‘sanitised no-futbol’.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/0...e-of-football/

one of the best reports i have read about modern day football. danny baker{wether you like him or not** forcasted all this over 20 years ago when he ran that bbc radio 606 saturday evening call in programme. one thing about going to the wham and other lower division games is that you,ll at least get a laugh from someone in the ground. we may love the club but we do not take ourselves as serious as those who watch the top level.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1240312]Great read one thing has crept in at lower leagues and was mentioned is the new fangled over loud music before games and before anyone accuses me of being an old fuddy duddy I love music but not at the expense of supporters atmosphere before the game especially a big one with loads of away fans.

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[QUOTE=andyd;1240314]Agree.
One of best grounds for music (imho) is Wimbledon’s (Cherry Records is one of the sponsors) and one of the worst for defeaning levels was Cheltenham - could barely talk to someone sitting next to you.

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[QUOTE=Exile on Spencer St;1240316]Bit like the Wham.

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i was a D.J. for more than 30yrs and i agree the volume at our ground is ridiculous.

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The musics turned on from approx 12:45pm, it gets turned up for the final 20mins before kickoff.

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WHY?:eek:

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exactly WHY? is some idiot doing the job?

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not at all. pumps up the stadium/players.
you’d be amazed what they request.....

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I glad I'm not the only one who thinks it's far too loud and prevents a conversation with the person standing next to me. Does Andy read this?

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Chaps. Andy can have full control over the sound system and regularly requests it to be turned up, along with our CEO.
Apologies if you feel it is too loud, however it isn’t there just for ‘background noise’

Might as well make full use of it given the cost of the flipping system!!

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The new system is very good should be at the price just needs a bit of volume adjustment in the approach to kickoff that's usually when you catch up with the familiar faces around you swap niceties and chat about team selection and all things Stanley alas no more since the volume went up.

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Premiership have tested 748 players and club staff for Covid-19
6 results came back positive from 3 clubs, who are now self isolating.

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The big fear for me with this behind closed doors to suit TV deals is that football is going to be controlled even more by TV, they wanted var footy fans did,nt next they will be creating fan noise, in play manager interviews the fan will become a thing of the past if we aren't careful already premiership most of them can make a do without gate income, lower leagues if not careful could be cast even further adrift.

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It isn’t just to suit TV deals.
I’d look at that stat as helping society. You’d be hard pressed to say those tested positive weren’t aware they were carrying the virus.
Not sure why you think TV wanted VAR??

Club might have something upcoming in next few weeks. Be interested to see how many people will support it and help our great club who have 0 income currently.

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Many of the supporters around where I stand in the stadium are really frustrated with the noise over ‘The System’ during the build up to the match. My view is that during the last thirty minutes build up before a match that the music should of course be there but at a level which allows conversation. Then at five minutes before kick off, use ‘ The System’ much more loudly with dramatic music when the players actually come out of the changing rooms and run onto the pitch! Use some common sense please!:idunno:

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Can’t please everyone I’m afraid so have to go with the majority.
It’s actually turned down a bit when the players come out so the Clayton End volume is heard.
Quieter behind Clayton End or in Redz Bar before game.