r. biggs.
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Apartr from the fact that he is a convicted criminal who has shown no remorse whatsoever for his actions......
I remember the robbery .... vaguely .... and I always thought that the sentences were way out of line .... like the heat got really po'd at the perps, and the courts, instead of sentencing, "sent a message". It has always struck me as a typical "English" crime, fairly clever in its concept and using the minimum of force ... if it had taken place in the US, it would have been brute strength, ignorance, assault rifles and lots of ammo ... and probably a high body count. Just musing.
Makes me wonder if folks had been related to the poor bloke whos life was ruined would they feel differently? Sure he wasn't killed but his quality of life was taken away, not so sure whether the perpetrators were bothered/or would be bothered either way. He only came back here to take advantage of our NHS, maybe I would feel a bit sorry for his plight if he had shown some remorse.
Hear what you are saying hon, but, what did they get 35yrs? ..... can't remember exactly, but it was serious time .... don't know what the sentences are like in England, but, in Canada murder gets you 25 before eligibility for parole ... and with good behaviour, and a little remorse in front of the parole board, you are back on the street .... and if the perps had been preparing for real confrontation they surely would have been packing ..... I do think that those who commit high profile crimes tend to get the proverbial book tossed at them, while those who commit a low key, but perhaps more violent crime get away with less. Somehow this doesn't go along with the blindfold justice wears .... I guess if you commit a crime that rates a movie, you are screwed if you get caught.
I'm not climbing on a soapbox here .... just a few random thoughts. Time to move on to other things.
bottom line with the great train robbery, it was government money so thats more serious than stealing mine or yours hence the severe sentences, at that moment in time when it happened average life sentence fer murder was LESS than 20 years. the guy who got coshed was a fool, should just have let em get on wi it simple as. could understand his actions if it had been his money. personally i reckon biggs should be released to die.
hence the severe sentences, at that moment in time when it happened average life sentence fer murder was LESS than 20 years. the guy who got coshed was a fool, should just have let em get on wi it simple as. could understand his actions if it had been his money. personally i reckon biggs should be released to die.
This is Ronnie Bigs in 1979, whilst still on the run in Brazil, starring in a film with the Sex Pistols.
It was actually filmed four years after fellow Great Train Robber Buster Edwards had been released in 1975, after serving his time for the crime.
Biggs could be free today, if he had shown remorse for the crime, which to this day he's never done, or stayed in Brazil.
He chose not to stay in Brazil because he needed medical care, and he was skint, so he came back so we could pay for it.
You do the crime, and if you get caught, you do the time.
Age should be no barrier to the laws of justice.
Would be people still be calling for his freedom if it happened to be a sick old man who'd been a child abuser?
I think not.
It was actually filmed four years after fellow Great Train Robber Buster Edwards had been released in 1975, after serving his time for the crime.
Biggs could be free today, if he had shown remorse for the crime, which to this day he's never done, or stayed in Brazil.
He chose not to stay in Brazil because he needed medical care, and he was skint, so he came back so we could pay for it.
You do the crime, and if you get caught, you do the time.
Age should be no barrier to the laws of justice.
Would be people still be calling for his freedom if it happened to be a sick old man who'd been a child abuser?
I think not.
Okay, he wasn't a child abuser, and the sentence could be described as harsh, but as was posted earlier, at that time they were holding them up as an example of the severity of the punishment to others if you went about coshing innocent guards, and nicking the Royal Mail.
The fact is if he had served his time, and shown any remorse, by the time he was farting about on the beach in Rio with the Sex Pistols, he could have been free anyway.
His choice.
We wouldn't be having this debate at all if he hadn't blown all his money. He'd still be in Brazil, giving the British justice system the V-sign. He came back because he was broke, and you don't get free medical care in Brazil.
His choice.
They knew whose money it was when they planned it, and presumably the consequences if they were caught, for committing what was at that time the biggest robbery in British history.
The bulk of the money was never recovered. The money being government money, and therefore our money, the British tax payer.
No one served thirty years, even the ones who escaped and were recaught, but they showed remorse, unlike Biggs, which in this country is still a prerequisite for early parole.
Bottom line for me irrelevant of whos money it was and by the way is goverment money not the tax payers money? So therefore they were robbing the tax payers!! Anyway irrelevant of the ins and outs of the crime and the sentence. Ronnie Biggs was quite happy to sod offf and spend the spoils of his crime whilst knowing he was on the run. Why when he finds himself with a terminal illness did he come back here? Well we all know the answer to that it was because we have a far superior health service here!! IMHO he should have been sent straight back to wherever he spent the money he and his gang nicked. It is a travesty that felons can come back and get treatment (even when in the clink) whilst honest tax payers are fighting for every cancer drug depending on their postcode. By all means realease him but send him back to the country he spent all the dosh in for treatment. Given that option I'm damn sure he or his son would decide on the dying in jail option!!!
It still had a monetary value, to us as well as them.
You can't print, or destroy money, willy-nilly, otherwise there'd be no poor countries in the world.
Old school crim.
Bit of a rogue.
Jack the lad.
The people's hero.
No he wasn't.
For God's sake he wasn't some sort of Robin Hood, robbing the rich to feed the poor. It was hard working tax payer's money on that train, and the only poor to benefit were the third world, poverty trapped, prostitues he bought as company in his fun filled exile.
I hope he finds peace now he's been released, and in the time he has left.
I'd also hope he'd eventually show some remorse for his part in the crime. If only for the victim's family, Jack Mills, the 58 year old, hard working train driver, who was coshed on the head with an iron bar, and who was never able to work again, and who suffered pain from his injuries until his death.
Perhaps some people wouldn't feel so misty eyed about Biggs if it'd been thier old dad who'd been attacked, whilst going about his business.
Bit of a rogue.
Jack the lad.
The people's hero.
No he wasn't.
For God's sake he wasn't some sort of Robin Hood, robbing the rich to feed the poor. It was hard working tax payer's money on that train, and the only poor to benefit were the third world, poverty trapped, prostitues he bought as company in his fun filled exile.
I hope he finds peace now he's been released, and in the time he has left.
I'd also hope he'd eventually show some remorse for his part in the crime. If only for the victim's family, Jack Mills, the 58 year old, hard working train driver, who was coshed on the head with an iron bar, and who was never able to work again, and who suffered pain from his injuries until his death.
Perhaps some people wouldn't feel so misty eyed about Biggs if it'd been thier old dad who'd been attacked, whilst going about his business.
lol one min people are shouting to be tougher on crime and as soon as they see a picture of an old lag looking weak and feeble its awww let him go.
if he hadnt ran and served his time he wouldnt be in the mess he is now and if he hadnt blown all his money and not been taken ill im pretty sure he wouldnt have been handing himself back anytime soon either
shoudla left him to rot and die abroad, not waste my tax money paying for his keep in prison ,medical bills, legal aid etc
personaly i woulda handed him a rope and told him to go do what his pal buster did and put himself out of his misery
if he hadnt ran and served his time he wouldnt be in the mess he is now and if he hadnt blown all his money and not been taken ill im pretty sure he wouldnt have been handing himself back anytime soon either
shoudla left him to rot and die abroad, not waste my tax money paying for his keep in prison ,medical bills, legal aid etc
personaly i woulda handed him a rope and told him to go do what his pal buster did and put himself out of his misery
the man has not done his time in a British prison.. and that is what most people who think he should still be there get the hump on..but it don't add up when a bloke kills a baby and gets 20yrs with chance of parole, but a bloke that nicks money gets 30yrs..it's not only about Ronnie Biggs.. the sort of sentencing the courts andmistrate is all over the place... the people that tried to rob a daimond from the Greenwich Dome get 20yrs..and the man that killed baby P gets the same.. something wrong there.