Yet another dog kills a child... - Page 11

WillowTheWhisp · 05-01-2007, 16:00

Some of the quotation tags are going awol in this thread making it hard to follow who said what. (sorry for thread wander)

Vicks · 05-01-2007, 16:05

Its not just down to the type of dog, but more to do with the owner after all a dog needs to know its place and has to be taught to have respect for its master. My friend had a dog it was lovely but she could not control it, the dog was in control not the owner! She would take it out on walks, if it saw a postman it would go berzerk and drag her over to the postman were it would bark uncontrollable. She seemed to think it was amusing and couldn't understand why the posties would either scarper or start yelling at her. I agree there should be a license for having a dog just as much as having a weapon. After all these animals can be trained to be killing machines! Not only that but it should be for all breeds of dogs. Also a few of you kept mentioning that it seems to be scum who own these dogs who seem to be causing the most problems. I don't agree with this statement, after all other breeds of dogs, brought up in other circumstances (ie, loving homes, middle class backgrounds) have been known to turn on children and family members. I think it is a bit harsh and rash to point the finger at a minority. Yes some of these are to blame but some so called scum who own these types of dogs. Actually love their dogs and treat them with the greatest respect! Perhaps it would be wise to look at the facts before making accusations.

Tinkerbelle · 05-01-2007, 16:53

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Tinks had a Staffie which looks similar. She now has a Rottie pup. The former never attacked anyone as far as I know and I presume that with similar training her new baby won't either.

...... and a border collie before that

The only aggression Ben ever showed was at the vets, he hated vets with a passion but I didn't socialise him to new things in his influential years as a pup, we got him from my sister in law. I can honestly say if any of my dogs showed aggression I would have them destroyed as they are of no benefit to anyone ......... but I would place the blame of the aggression in the dog firmly on my shoulders. I would regard it as I had done a bad job training that dog and would never shift the blame to it being the breed of dog.

West Ender · 05-01-2007, 17:19

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Also a few of you kept mentioning that it seems to be scum who own these dogs who seem to be causing the most problems. I don't agree with this statement, after all other breeds of dogs, brought up in other circumstances (ie, loving homes, middle class backgrounds) have been known to turn on children and family members. I think it is a bit harsh and rash to point the finger at a minority. Yes some of these are to blame but some so called scum who own these types of dogs. Actually love their dogs and treat them with the greatest respect! Perhaps it would be wise to look at the facts before making accusations.

I don't think anyone who has referred to "scum" means any particular socio-economic group. Scum means the type that has no regard for people, animals or the law, regardless of where they live or what their income group.

chav1 · 05-01-2007, 17:23

if a good responsible dog owner who has trained his dog teh propper way etc etc finds his child ripped to bits after years of faithfull friendship from teh dog does this mean that teh owner was mistaken about his treatment and training of the dog and it is his fault or will the owner face up to the reality that dogs can turn nasty no matter how well you treat them

just curious because in most of the cases where a pitbull type,staff dog etc rips a child apart the owners always swear blind that their dog was teh best dog ever and teh news usualy shows pictures of the dog playing with the child before the attack

seriously some of these cases beggar beleif , you actualy get dog owners wondering what went wrong

we only bought a dog that can lock its jaw with a vice like grip with razor sharp teeth and let it play with our children

its a bit like saying i only put a lit stick of dynamite down my pants , why did my nuts get blown off ?

Tinkerbelle · 05-01-2007, 17:29

You'll often drive over the speed limit chav, do you have your kids in the car? What happens one day if you have an accident and killed those kids of yours. You'd say "you were only just over the speed limit" or "you'd done that trip a thousand times" ... excuses, excuses.

Staffies are a very loyal and loveable dog to own.

chav1 · 05-01-2007, 17:36

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You'll often drive over the speed limit chav, do you have your kids in the car? What happens one day if you have an accident and killed those kids of yours. You'd say "you were only just over the speed limit" or "you'd done that trip a thousand times" ... excuses, excuses.

Staffies are a very loyal and loveable dog to own.

nah i would sit him in teh drivers seat and say he was driving

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i dont speed i just say i do to look clever

garinda · 05-01-2007, 17:39

Regarding the use of the word 'scum'.

No not all owners are, but in the latest sad case, I think the term is justified. It turns out that the girl the scummy chav turned up to lay flowers with, has had six dogs removed from behind her hairdessers. As was pointed out, one of which had docked ears, looking like it was being made ready to take part in illegal dog fights.

As for the comparisson with these dogs, that a Poodle could be trained to kill, I disagree. It could be taught to attack, sure. But remember a sixty year old woman, hardly a geriatric, is still in hospital suffering from her injuries. I presume she fought with this dog with every last drop of strength she had, to save her grandaughter from it's powerful jaws. Something that would not have happened with a Poodle.

West Ender · 05-01-2007, 18:02

The Standard Poodle is about the same size and weight as a German Shepherd. It hasn't got the large jaw of a bull terrier but, believe me, theoretically it could kill a child. Even a Miniature Poodle could, if trained that way, kill a smaller animal.

garinda · 05-01-2007, 18:30

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The Standard Poodle is about the same size and weight as a German Shepherd. It hasn't got the large jaw of a bull terrier but, believe me, theoretically it could kill a child. Even a Miniature Poodle could, if trained that way, kill a smaller animal.

I agree any dog can be dangerous if badly trained, or indeed trained to attack.

Trust me though, if my young nephew was being attacked by a Standard Poodle, and my Mum, who is a similar age to this poor child's Granny, had to fight it out, my Mum would win. Something that obviously wasn't possible in this sad case, with this breed of dog.

Vicks · 05-01-2007, 23:29

I am with West ender on this one. Hyperthatically maybe but do you actually know that for a fact? You seem to have a vision of a poodle as being a little yappy dog but you're forgetting one thing it's still an animal and all animals have some killer instinct in them. What if a poodle was cross-breed with a different breed of dog? It may still look like a poodle but would it have the same temprement?

garinda · 05-01-2007, 23:41

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I am with West ender on this one. Hyperthatically maybe but do you actually know that for a fact? You seem to have a vision of a poodle as being a little yappy dog but you're forgetting one thing it's still an animal and all animals have some killer instinct in them. What if a poodle was cross-breed with a different breed of dog? It may still look like a poodle but would it have the same temprement?

Like I said, if my Mum, of a similar age to this child's grandmother, had to save the life of her grandchild, from the jaws of a Standard Poodle, the dog would come of worse.

The facts don't back up your claims that other breeds of dogs have the same temprement. These dogs are killing children. Other breeds aren't. Simple.

Tinkerbelle · 05-01-2007, 23:43

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Like I said if my Mum, of a similar age to this child's grandmother, had to save her grandchild from the jaws of a Standard Poodle, crossed with whatever, the dog would come of worse.

You hope ....

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These dogs are killing children. Other breeds aren't.

You used the plural children?

garinda · 05-01-2007, 23:49

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You hope ....

You used the plural 'dogs'?

Trust me she would. Just as I know you would, if it was one of your children.

Sadly this woman wasn't given the choice, given the ferocity of this breed's attack capability. Remember she is still too ill to even be interviewed because of her injuries.

Re: plural.
Yes this is the second fatality in the UK in six months. A small child was killed, at it's granparent's pub in Leicester in the summer.

Two young lifes too many in my book, to be lost because of ignorance.

Tinkerbelle · 05-01-2007, 23:57

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Trust me she would. Just as I know you would, if it was one of your children.

I hope it would never would come to me having to defend my kids against the dog. They are educatedi n dog ownership, as is the dog.

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Sadly this woman wasn't given the choice, given the ferocity of this breed's attack capability. Remember she is still too ill to even be interviewed because of her injuries.

I have no sympathy for that women! If the tabloids are to be believed the dog had previous violent tendencies she should not have had it in the house FULL STOP!

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Re: plural.
Yes this is the second fatality in the UK in six months. A small child was killed, at it's granparent's pub in Leicester in the summer.

Was that not the 2 Rottweiler guard dogs or is that another pit bull attack?