Yet another dog kills a child... - Page 2

***Mr D*** · 02-01-2007, 12:13

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Originally Posted by Ianto.W.

On a lighter note, and yes I respect your right to disagree with some of us, it reminds me of a newshounds saying "dog bites man is not news" but "man bites dog is"

Only in the Sport.

WillowTheWhisp · 02-01-2007, 12:47

We had a dog from before my oldest daughter was born until she was 10 and her sister 7, when it died. The dog was well behaved, often played with the girls and was never known to bite anyone or anything. He would play quite tough tug o' war games with a long double ended rubber thing and did a lot of mock growling but we could tell it was all in play.

He did bark when people came to the door and he did growl at perceived threats (you could tell the different growl to the play fighting one) which I suppose illustrates the point that it is all down to how the dog is brought up.

He was a cross between a Jack Russell and a border collie. People claim that JRs are bad tempered but said the collie in him must have made him more docile. He was just a happy, well-balanced fun-loving dog who was daft as a brush.

West Ender · 02-01-2007, 14:20

I'll never get tired of saying this - and it's not long since I last did - dogs are not born vicious. A dog's behaviour is the result of its upbringing.

Different traits have been bred into varying breeds over centuries. The bull terrier was selectively bred, originally, with a very strong jaw and big muscles to be a fighting dog - to fight and harrass bulls. Inbreeding selected those more disposed to fight than run.

Any responsible owner of a bull terrier, or any other dog, will train it and socialise it while always being aware of its underlying inbred nature. The result is a good dog.

The trouble lies with the owner, usually male, who only has a dog to reinforce how "hard" he is. He hasn't got a clue about dog-training and he doesn't want a faithful companion, he wants something to swagger about with and intimidate others. If his dog harms someone, he's to blame.

Church Boy · 02-01-2007, 14:30

It's hard to make any assumptions on a tradgedy like this one,But whatever happened,I think Young Children & Dogs just don't mix,whatever breed they are,They all have teeth,Church Boy

chav1 · 02-01-2007, 14:31

yeah and sharks arnt born vicious either

dobermans , pitbulls , staffs etc are all instinctivly vicious animals but their owners will all say how soft and gentle they are then look everywhere for an explination as to what went wrong when the mutt decides to mame their or somone eslses child

if you got a child and must have a dog get somthing that cant fit its mouth around your childs throat and maybe just maybe the poor kid will stand a chance if or when the dog turns on it

an old friend of mines parents had a doberman and in the summer it had to have a hat on its head because apprently they have thin skulls and heat sends them vicious , some kind of sunstroke or somat , why anyone would keep a dog like that as a house pet i dont know , keep the vicious dogs for guard dogs but not as a childs pet

West Ender · 02-01-2007, 14:39

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Originally Posted by chav1

yeah and sharks arnt born vicious either

Quite correct. They are hunters and equipped to find food in a way we describe as vicious. They don't unexpectedly "turn on" prey - everything's prey to a shark.

How about vicious humans? Does the analogy still stand?

***Mr D*** · 02-01-2007, 14:49

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Originally Posted by chav1

yeah and sharks arnt born vicious either

dobermans , pitbulls , staffs etc are all instinctivly vicious animals but their owners will all say how soft and gentle they are then look everywhere for an explination as to what went wrong when the mutt decides to mame their or somone eslses child

if you got a child and must have a dog get somthing that cant fit its mouth around your childs throat and maybe just maybe the poor kid will stand a chance if or when the dog turns on it

an old friend of mines parents had a doberman and in the summer it had to have a hat on its head because apprently they have thin skulls and heat sends them vicious , some kind of sunstroke or somat , why anyone would keep a dog like that as a house pet i dont know , keep the vicious dogs for guard dogs but not as a childs pet

Obviously you dont have a dog or konw much about dog breeds and how many actual dog breeds there are.

Lets look at the other breeds like- Poodle, collies and GDS, oh and lets not forget the mongrels,cross breeds, are all instinctivly vicious animals but their owners will all say how soft and gentle they are then look everywhere for an explination as to what went wrong when the mutt decides to mame their or somone eslses child.

Oh and mosquitos arnt born vicious to.

chav1 · 02-01-2007, 14:53

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Originally Posted by West Ender

How about vicious humans? Does the analogy still stand?

actualy yes i do think it does to some extent everyone is capable of murder its just that everyone has a different limit that must be reached for them to do it

we are also at the end of the day also animals and and have the basic instinct to kill if need be but unlike these mutts most of us have over the years learnt how to control it

back to dogs

what realy annoys me about the owners of these mutts that think their prize pet wouldnt harm a fly is that they see fit to let their mutts loose in parks where children play and in my eyes you may just as well be throwing in a time bomb

my 3 year old son dosnt know about types of dogs all he knows is that its a doggy and he wants to stroke it and when a staff ran into teh play area my heart stopped when i saw my son heading off to pet it but luckily ime faster than he is and intercepted him

funny how after a few deaths on a road they put in speed bumps , how many children have to be killed or mamed before somthing is done about these dogs

***Mr D*** · 02-01-2007, 14:53

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Originally Posted by West Ender

Any responsible owner of a bull terrier, or any other dog, will train it and socialise it while always being aware of its underlying inbred nature. The result is a good dog.

I think thats a key factor the Socialisation. and people, sheparding there kids away from dogs is the Wrong Attitude.

***Mr D*** · 02-01-2007, 14:57

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Originally Posted by chav1

what realy annoys me about the owners of these mutts that think their prize pet wouldnt harm a fly is that they see fit to let their mutts loose in parks where children play and in my eyes you may just as well be throwing in a time bomb

my 3 year old son dosnt know about types of dogs all he knows is that its a doggy and he wants to stroke it and when a staff ran into teh play area my heart stopped when i saw my son heading off to pet it but luckily ime faster than he is and intercepted him

funny how after a few deaths on a road they put in speed bumps , how many children have to be killed or mamed before somthing is done about these dogs

For starters the dog shouldnt be let loose around strange kids (as in the dog doesnt know them). But if the dog did bit someone then I would see that as the owners fault. not because it was a staff.

These dogs? so what dogs in particular.

chav1 · 02-01-2007, 14:57

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D***

Obviously you dont have a dog or konw much about dog breeds and how many actual dog breeds there are.

Lets look at the other breeds like- Poodle, collies and GDS, oh and lets not forget the mongrels,cross breeds, are all instinctivly vicious animals but their owners will all say how soft and gentle they are then look everywhere for an explination as to what went wrong when the mutt decides to mame their or somone eslses child.

actualy i think its a bad idea to have any dog near a child and the reason why i dont have a dog is because i have children , my brother has staff crosses and my child has never been to his house for that reason alone and my brother knows damn well not to bring it to my house

the difference between been savaged by a rotweiler and a yorki terrier is that you can simply stamp on a yorki teriiers head where as the rotweiler isnt quite as easy to subdue

poodles - ide have evey one of the yappi little sods put to sleep