Yet another dog kills a child... - Page 12

garinda · 06-01-2007, 00:02

One afternoon last February, Guy Clairoux picked up his two-and-a half-year-old son, Jayden, from day care and walked him back to their house in the west end of Ottawa, Ontario. They were almost home. Jayden was straggling behind, and, as his father's back was turned, a pit bull jumped over a back-yard fence and lunged at Jayden. "The dog had his head in its mouth and started to do this shake," Clairoux's wife, JoAnn Hartley, said later. As she watched in horror, two more pit bulls jumped over the fence, joining in the assault. She and Clairoux came running, and he punched the first of the dogs in the head, until it dropped Jayden, and then he threw the boy toward his mother. Hartley fell on her son, protecting him with her body. "JoAnn!" Clairoux cried out, as all three dogs descended on his wife. "Cover your neck, cover your neck." A neighbor, sitting by her window, screamed for help. Her partner and a friend, Mario Gauthier, ran outside. A neighborhood boy grabbed his hockey stick and threw it to Gauthier. He began hitting one of the dogs over the head, until the stick broke. "They wouldn't stop," Gauthier said. "As soon as you'd stop, they'd attack again. I've never seen a dog go so crazy. They were like Tasmanian devils." The police came. The dogs were pulled away, and the Clairouxes and one of the rescuers were taken to the hospital. Five days later, the Ontario legislature banned the ownership of pit bulls. "Just as we wouldn't let a great white shark in a swimming pool," the province's attorney general, Michael Bryant, had said, "maybe we shouldn't have these animals on the civilized streets."

Pit bulls, descendants of the bulldogs used in the nineteenth century for bull baiting and dogfighting, have been bred for "gameness," and thus a lowered inhibition to aggression. Most dogs fight as a last resort, when staring and growling fail. A pit bull is willing to fight with little or no provocation. Pit bulls seem to have a high tolerance for pain, making it possible for them to fight to the point of exhaustion. Whereas guard dogs like German shepherds usually attempt to restrain those they perceive to be threats by biting and holding, pit bulls try to inflict the maximum amount of damage on an opponent. They bite, hold, shake, and tear. They don't growl or assume an aggressive facial expression as warning. They just attack. "They are often insensitive to behaviors that usually stop aggression," one scientific review of the breed states. "For example, dogs not bred for fighting usually display defeat in combat by rolling over and exposing a light underside. On several occasions, pit bulls have been reported to disembowel dogs offering this signal of submission." In epidemiological studies of dog bites, the pit bull is overrepresented among dogs known to have seriously injured or killed human beings, and, as a result, pit bulls have been banned or restricted in several Western European countries, China, and numerous cities and municipalities across North America. Pit bulls are dangerous.

Not an account of an attack on a UK child, buy hey, a child's a child wherever.

garinda · 06-01-2007, 00:12

[quote=Tinkerbelle;361919]I hope it would never would come to me having to defend my kids against the dog. They are educatedi n dog ownership, as is the dog.

Your dogs aren't Pit Bulls, but that's not my point. Children could be walking to school or playing out, and one of these dogs, owned by some dozey scrote, who sees it as a status symbol and hasn't trained it properly, could escape through a broken fence and attack any child.

Like I've seemed to have said over and over again, my problem isn't with any particular dog, or even breed. As has been pointed out by others all badly trained dogs can be very dangerous, it's with the loop holes in the legislation, that allows idiots to use these dogs to bolster their weak little egos, that worries me.

***Mr D*** · 06-01-2007, 00:17

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Originally Posted by chav1

we only bought a dog that can lock its jaw with a vice like grip with razor sharp teeth and let it play with our children

That would be all dogs then.

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Originally Posted by garinda

Your dogs aren't Pit Bulls, but that's not my point. Children could be walking to school or playing out, and one of these dogs, owned by some dozey scrote, who sees it as a status symbol and hasn't trained it properly, could escape through a broken fence and attack any child.

Like I've seemed to have said over and over again, my problem isn't with any particular dog, or even breed. As has been pointed out by others all badly trained dogs can be very dangerous, it's with the loop holes in the legislation, that allows idiots to use these dogs to bolster their weak little egos, that worries me.

You say you problem isnt with any particular breed, but yet you keep mentioning 'Pit Bull'.

Tinkerbelle · 06-01-2007, 00:18

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Originally Posted by garinda

Your dogs aren't Pit Bulls, but that's not my point.

No, but wasn't my breed of dog that I've just chosen to buy branded as a killer not many moons ago.

I agree wholeheartedly with the t*ssers that use a dog as a status symbol.

The laws are there in place regarding pit bull type dogs, they just need to be enforced.

garinda · 06-01-2007, 00:23

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D***

You say you problem isnt with any particular breed, but yet you keep mentioning 'Pit Bull'.

Partly because there are literally hundeds of them illegally in the hands on idiots, like this poor girl's uncle.

The law needs upholding or tightening.

garinda · 06-01-2007, 00:24

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Originally Posted by Tinkerbelle

The laws are there in place regarding pit bull type dogs, they just need to be enforced.

Again, we agree.

***Mr D*** · 06-01-2007, 00:28

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Originally Posted by garinda

Partly because there are literally hundeds of them illegally in the hands on idiots, like this poor girl's uncle.

The law needs upholding or tightening.

Most of them you will find are not pit bulls though. they are staff cross breeds.

Usually with bigger dogs like, rottys, mastiffs, boxers.

Its just the media get a wider audiance when the use the word Pit Bull.

***Mr D*** · 06-01-2007, 00:30

Do we agree All dogs can Bite.

It all depends on what it is biting to how much damage it can cause.

No dog really has the strongest jaws.

If a law is to be tightened its for ALL breeds of dog or just for dog ownership in gereral.

Tinkerbelle · 06-01-2007, 00:34

I'm sorry but on a lighter note how do these dogs manage to breed? One of my kids asked today what she does if the staffie next door tries to mate Gabbie ....... I just said " what ever you do don't pick the staffie up to lend a helping hand"

garinda · 06-01-2007, 00:35

But this dog breed is illegal, if it's unregistered, which older dogs could be before the legislation was brought in. The law needs upholding.

As for this low life, drug dealing scum, it just gets better. Apparently he's recently been fined for driving without insurance.

A fine upstanding member of the community to be in charge of such a dog.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007000403,00.html

***Mr D*** · 06-01-2007, 00:35

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Originally Posted by Tinkerbelle

I'm sorry but on a lighter note how do these dogs manage to breed? One of my kids asked today what she does if the staffie next door tries to mate Gabbie ....... I just said " what ever you do don't pick the staffie up to lend a helping hand

You be supprised what a dog in heat is capable of.

cherokee · 06-01-2007, 00:38

when i lived in ossy years ago and my mum used to live up the merlin drive area and i lived close to fielding lane i had to walk up by the flats towards merlin from stonebridge lane and there used to be a mongrel outside one of the flats and it was the most vicious nasty tempered dog ive ever come across even to the extent i stopped walking to my mums , I was aware it had bitten before but never gave it a thought till one day it went for me when i had my son with me , my so was so frightened and watched in horror as it bit my leg . When i got to my mums i reported the dog and all the owner was told were to keep it inside or tied up ...she never did.. until it bit a child and only then was it put down (i think)but it dissapeared ..but it took months after it bit me till something was done and that was only because a child were involved ..but like i say it was years ago and laws have changed but my point is this wasnt classed as a dangerous dog, it was just a ..what most would call a family mixed breed dog .. but non the less still very dangerous and capable of doing damage ..thankfully to me only a small bite on the leg and from what i rem to the child not too serious but even so it attacked and any dog who attacks or even threatens to attack should be dealt with immediately no matter what breed ..

I have a dog myself and it knows its place . even with the kids it knows they are incharge and what they say goes and he is a lovely family pet very loyal ,loving and devoted but i still would not leave him alone in a room with a toddler

***Mr D*** · 06-01-2007, 00:39

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Originally Posted by garinda

But this dog breed is illegal, if it's unregistered, which older dogs could be before the legislation was brought in. The law needs upholding.

As for this low life, drug dealing scum, it just gets better. Apparently he's recently been fined for driving without insurance.

A fine upstanding member of the community to be in charge of such a dog.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007000403,00.html

You will see thousands of dogs that could look like a pit pull but arnt.

If the guy had a Rotty, mastiff, great dane, dobermain that he trained to attack would it be any differnt?

Driving with out Insurance, just look in the observer to see at least 3 a week, unfortunatly it is to comman practace, the introduction of the MID will help reduce this though.