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I was flicking through a local paper the other day (think it was the observer) and i was amazed at the amount of folk before the bench for tv licence evasion(half a page)

A quick search on youtube turned up loads of folk who when contacted by TVL company simply say go way(for a choice of better words)

c'mon be honest,how many folk pay these jokers? As you can prob guess i don't buy into there bull for 1min :D

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We've been there discussed that, don't like the T'shirt you're wearing, (yawn), no doubt you can work the search button but can't be bothered.

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Accyweb has prob discussed a whole range of subjects in the past less (yawn) ....Just answer the question if you can be bothered,i assume your a payer :rolleyes:

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I pay for many thing's, (along with many others, I pay for this site), what's wrong with paying your way?

Why are you (only in your mind) cleverer than me because you don't pay?

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cleverer than you :confused::confused: were have i said that? (assumptions)
i actually think you're quite intelligent sometimes even humorous :eek:

Nothing wrong with paying things in life (unless it's a bull**** licence you don't have to pay for)

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I would pay to have people learn how to use apostrophes ...

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Didn't a guy called Chris start a thread with this subject matter earlier this year? :confused::rolleyes:

At least with the BBC we don't get god awful TV adverts every 10 mins. Compare Eastenders to Corrie - you get much more for your money with Eastenders as it's a solid 30mins - Corrie is basically approx 2 - 12 minute segments.

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he missed the H out of where rather than missing the ' out of we're...which would be wrong too because then he would be saying "we are have I said that?"

/GrammarnNazi

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I agree, does my head in, comes from being taught by nuns I'm sure!

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Yeh may be getting warm yon.:D

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If you are such an anarchist, do you pay your rent/mortgage, council tax, utility bills etc? If not are you not very cold and living in a tent or squat? You have to be able to stand by your principles or they are meaningless.
In the eighties I did the poll tax protest to the point where I beat the bailiffs but was about to be sent to prison, by which time the poll tax had been withdrawn and I agreed to pay a nominal amount. I was protesting about a principle which I genuinely felt was wrong (but knew how far I was prepared to go, call me a coward for not following it through to the end but I cared more about my children's wellbeing.) I'm actually proud of the fact that I was part of overturning an unjust system.
I don't think that you can just not pay your TV licence because you don't want to, if you genuinely don't agree sort out a proper protest, don't rely on the people who appear in Court for non payment who usually have more personal rather than political reasons for non payment.
I think you may be looking for a cause to protest against which you have not found. You can't rebel for the sake of it.

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My Tv often doesn't get switched for days on end and the few programmes I want to see I could watch later on my computer, so I am tempted to get rid of my TV and stop paying -

BUT I know that I would be harassed so am meekly paying up. I console myself that the fee also pays for Radio 4extra which I enjoy.

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You don't need a TV licence if you don't watch live broadcasts. :D

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I know, but they think all us housebound pensioners spend their days watching Jeremy Kyle:rolleyes:, so I would get pestered

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Only another five and a bit years before you get a free one Marg!

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I don't connect my TV to the ariel :pwink:....so i don't require a TV licence.

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I don't have an Ariel but still have to pay my TV Licence so that's no excuse:p

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If that was the case you would deserve to be pestered, by medical staff declaring you insane :D

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I think the law states that If you own equipment that Is capable of receiving live TV broadcasts you are required to buy a license,:confused::p:p

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Tv Theme Citizen Smith - YouTube

Power to the people bruvvers.

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Here is a link to the TV licencing site with info on why you need a licence.
TV Licensing - Understanding your TV Licence
please DO NOT copy and paste sections from that site to this as they get jumpy and threaten to sue over copyright. ta

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Thing wi these people, many ive met oer the years. I find em to be be "False Alarms" or "Well Off " but gone oer the edge in the main.:D Most of em can also talk a glass eye to sleep.:hehetable My remedy is to occasionaly poke wi stick (just fer my entertainment) but in the main, leave em too it.

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have a few books handy....

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Not true these days. If it ever was. Funny thing is. If that was true If you only own a computer without capture hardware; they could still accuse you of signing up to Tvcatcup.com or watching illegal live broadcasts/streams. :D

If you own a TV and only play DVDs, Watch BBiPlayer or other pre recorded media, play computers games... you don't need a TV licence. It even says it on the TV licence website.

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But if you watch tv and don't pay your licence it's illegal and works out more expensive than if you just pay it in the first place.

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Technically your meant to have a TV licence if you have any equipment including phones that you can watch TV programs on. That is what it says on the form for TV licence information!:rolleyes:

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There is no technically...really.

Chris has a computer. He thinks that not plugging an ariel in counts. He can watch live TV a number of ways. 1channel, tv catchup...using XBMC software.PS3, XBOX360...... list goes on and on. How can they prove a damn?


TV Licensing - How to tell us you don't watch TV

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Lol I've not read the post again Restless, I would, but it would probably cause me some sort of pain, and I like to go gentle on myself these days.

I am a grammar nazi. I cannot help it sometimes, I am perhaps hypocritical because I am absolutely atrocious at mathematics. However this is why I tend to make use of a calculator.

I agree anarchic views are admirable, it's just that as you say, without being a total societial outcast and creating a more difficult life for yourself, it's difficult to be an anarchist to any sort of notable extent...And I struggle to find a middle ground with things such as TV licencing etc.

I think I am a slightly anarchic. But the reason I CAN be anarchic is due to luck, and due to circumstances beyond my control-and surely this makes me the opposite of an anarchist, my mutiny(partially) was cut out for me and I just went along with it!

As for the idiot box, I never had one when I had my own house , until I was bought one by my Mother. I never knew where the remote was and it got switched on about once a week when it suited me...

In the place I base my hat at now, there is one but it isn't even wired up...

I can watch things on the pc if I want to.I am quite hyperactive for want of a better word and the thought of sitting on my ass watching something somebody else decided was worthy of watch, doesn't appeal much, I'd rather do something fun, or useful...

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Technically - means on the form issued by the TV licencing organisation! That you are not supposed to watch TV on any gizmo or computer - without a TV licence. Whether they catch you or not is a totally different matter. :D

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Technically -There is'nt a law that requires any1 to have a tv licence,,,,i believe its all done by fear and contracts (They can only take action against you if let them take a statement) withdrawing their implied right of access(letter templates easily found) and then ignoring them and there junkmail can be effective, however it's only for the thick skinned (thats why i posted it here :D ) as they like to hound folk


Why Don't You...?: Series 10: Show 4: BBC Bristol: TXN 1979 - YouTube :D

TV licence visit - Hopefully an end to the harassment...? - YouTube

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or just thick :confused:

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Wireless Telegraphy Act 1949 ?
the Communications Act 2003 ?
The Broadcasting Act 1990 ?

statutory offenses ,Not crimes they can be beaten before court ( but thats a whole new thread) ;)

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I just tell them to Go away and close the door if they knock, they seem to have got the message :D

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They seem to have excepted it so maybe it is or maybe it's because i told them my tv's are only for CCTV :p

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anarchist???? me,,, NEVER,,,,,,, we all choose our own level of freedom ;)
" I'm actually proud of the fact that I was part of overturning an unjust system" Good on you,so you should be its just a shame you was bullied(I know how far I'm prepared to go)

i pay my rent, i pay nowt for council tax and water an i'm working on the electric+gas company :D

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are you insinuating i'm in need of remedial education :D

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I have just watched a few youtube videos of people having visits from the TV licensing people. It wasn't pretty viewing.

There is no way that I could endure that hassle.

It reminds me of the sort of hassle that car clampers used to dish out and get away with.

I have said that I will not replace or repair my TV if it ever broke, but I can see that even if there is no longer a TV on my premises I would still get hassled. I do not take kindly to strange men on my doorstep trying to persuade me to let them in to search for a TV.

Frequently recently on other forums I have seen people declare that they will no longer pay a licence which has been used to finance child abuse. There may well be a developing problem in this regard.

I can forsee a possibility that the BBC may well cease to exist in its present form.

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Agreed :D

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Okay we have had the Council Tax discussion before, why not Water? and Gas and Electric?
Surely you have fresh water piped to your home and the waste taken away. Some people would and do die for that.
So what makes you different

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I had it out with united utilities months ago asking for evidence etc,heard nowt since so i assume they excepted it as a legal argument(still got the letter somewhere)

Gas and Electric? still working on them there abit more tricky ;)

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What is a licence?
permission to commit what would otherwise be classed a crime?

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Whilst utility prices are scandalous, (Another argument) Scumbags that refuse to pay em,make it more expensive fer decent people imho.:rolleyes: And scumbags that boast about not paying are even worse.

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nicely said cashy.

Chris why do you think you don't have to pay for water to be piped to your house and sewage to be treated?
also why do you think you are entitled to piped gas and electric?

I truly am interested, these are things some people would die for yet you feel you are above paying

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If you want to say again that money doesn't really exist then you can put a load in a big bag and hand it to me. I will recycle it for you :)

I saw a video on youtube. Want to them to go away. Take a video camera to the door with you. Watch them run

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If you take a service then you should pay for it..if you don't, then you are robbing people who may be poorer than you.
As someone has said in a previous post, we have had this discussion with your previous alter Ego.
Why should you be allowed to have a free ride? It costs money for Gas and electricty to be produced and piped/cabled to your home...the same with your water supply, unless you tell me that you collect rainwater and bathe in that(which I do not for one minute believe) Anyone who doesn't pay is a freeloader...you certainly should not be proud of that.

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Freeloader aint the word i use.

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Cashy, I was being polite. It is how I am.

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I know.;) Though the word i used is pretty polite fer me.;)

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i've paid these companys thousands over the years so i'm not exactly a freeloader more riding the wave of my contributions :D

I could tell you that For near enough the whole time that I have been at this address I have bought water filters and cartridges (at considerable expense to myself) in an attempt to purify the sub standard product that United Utilities provides BUT I became aware that this does not remove fluoride from the water.
I could tell you that Since becoming aware of the ineffectiveness of these filters I have had to purchase fluoride free bottled water (at considerable expense to myself ) and that Currently my weekly expenditure on bottled water is in excess of £15, as i'm not prepared to use tap water for drinking or food preparation and that with said costs i cant contribute to there caribbean island retirement fund anymore. I could also tell you i'm aware that the fluoride UU add may be absorbed through our skin particularly when the water temperature is such that the pores are opened thus we are also being supplied with water unfit for personal hygiene

1.try write to UU and ask for evidence that they are not medicating you and your family by adding chemical additives to your water or
2.write and ask for evidence that the fluoride they add to our water supply is not a bi-product of the agro-chemical industry and therefore deemed as industrial waste,
are there are any benefits to us from this chlorined/fluorided water supply?

SURELY SOMEONE HAS DONE A WATER THREAD? :D

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http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...tml#post909799

There is no fluoride added to the water in Hyndburn
http://www.wmaf.org.uk/userfiles/Map...and%202002.pdf

I filter out the chlorine and (unfortunately) the naturally occurring minerals - so if you filter, you need to make sure you get minerals other ways.

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This thread may interest you too

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...rby-50563.html

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So Chris, lets get this straight, you have decided not to purchase water that is delivered to your tap. The why is not important, although you avoided the issue by giving us a long winded one, I take it you don't want United Utilities taking away your waste water and processing it.
So in that case why don't you ask yo have your water and sewerage cut off. If you are that concerned why not drill a well.

Now on to your Gas and electric, you still have not answered this.

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And do you use this bottled, flouride free water to wash in.........and flush your toilet, to wash your clothes in???
Chirs do us a favour and credit us with some intelligence. If you do not pay for services (but use any part of that service) then you are a sponger, a free loader......and you are stealing money from the rest of your community. Rather than coming on here and trumpeting about it, you should be hanging your head in shame .

Frankly, I do not care how much you have paid in the past(why should it matter now,you paid for what you used then).....it is irrelevant....you have to pay for what you use....do you steal from Tesco and Asda too?

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Why do these taxes like the TV licence,Rod licence etc get away with calling themselves a licence?

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why don't you answer questions put to you.

Well said Marg.

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I would be prepared to pay for the service of providing myself with clean, healthy, fresh drinking water, free of all toxic substances as long as United Utilities are prepared to prove the condition of the water to My Satisfaction.( thats My Satisfaction not theres, nor anyone else's after all I am the one who has to drink there sludge However the amount i'd pay would be by necessity.

services are'nt the topic,,,please try and stay on topic :D:D:D

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no you are refusing to pay for a service, end of. if you do not want it you should have it cut off.
the simple fact you have not done this means you are a sponger.

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Top and bottom of it is There's No lawfully-binding contract between me and UU,,,,,And if they don't want to contract with me but still provide a service it's fine ,,,i dom't think that they have the right to cut your water off (unless your property is unoccupied)

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They do have the right to reduce supply to a trickle.
I suspect that it hasn't happened already because you share a common supply pipe with neighbours.

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Well you were the one who brought it up... post 35

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Services are part of the topic...the licence you pay(or don't in, your case - you sponger) is to entitle you to a service.....in relation to the TV licence...the service is to be allowed to receive broadcasts.
In relation to other services, that you yourself mentioned....they are not licences, but charges for services which you use freely.
Gas, Electricty, Water......water includes the disposal of waste water and sewage...(which you produce in abundance)....you obviously use these services, but want the rest of us to foot the bill...that means you are a sponger, a freeloader...no other way to look at it.

If we all took your stance, the streets would be knee deep in rubbish, we would not have a safe water supply...it would be contaminated with sewage, disease would be rife,we would have rat infestations fo mammoth proportions.....you would need much more that your so called expensive water filters then.

As MargaretR says, our water supply isn't currently flouridated

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And that's your excuse....
could you please enlighten us with the virtue of your knowledge, you must have studied at Oxford or Cambridge and have a laboratory full of the latest spectrum analysers at your disposal. oh hang on though.....your just a muppet arn't you, stealing money off the rest of us. What you are doing is no better than common thievery, in fact worse, and you come on here thinking your great. well you are not.
I cannot be bothered even trying to discuss anything with you as you are not worth my time or effort.:D

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Well there you are, Margaret has just saved you £15/week, how about donating that to UU so we don't have to pay your bill?

The fluoride is there to prevent dental caries (tooth decay) and the chlorine is added to drinking water as the final stage of treatment in order to kill any harmful germs, just like the formaldehyde in the vaccines you're so afraid of.

And the fluoride they add to our water supply may be a by product of the agro-chemical industry but it's just a chemical like any other and surely it's better to have a by product that's useful than one that might be "industrial waste".

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donating £15 a week to UU :eek: ,,,i'd rather give it maundy grange :eek::eek: ,,,,i don't believe Fluoride does our teeth any favors,i've never seen any convincing evidence anyway, have you cheif supersue ;)?
fluoride naturally occurs in most water supplies( varying amounts), they routinely add even more of this industrial waste - which i believe use to be used as a rat poison ,,,,but AGAIN that not the topic

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maybe you should ask for a reduction in your water rates ,just the money they spend adding these chems,who knows you might even be able to afford to study at oxford ;)
I may give the impression i'm great but i thats not my intent, don't think i'm any better than anyone,nor that anyone is better than me :D

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Do you Need a licence?
Are licence's permission to commit what would otherwise be seen as a crime?
can i pull up in the park and sell refreshments out my boot without a licence?

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Perhaps you'd like to take a look at this article, sorry it's about USA rather than UK but it's a useful summary.

Why Fluoridation Is Important

As for rat poison, here's a quote from the article I just mentioned:

Half-truths are commonly used. For example, saying that fluoride is a rat poison ignores the fact that poison is a matter of dose. [Think we may have been here before in the vaccine thread.] Large amounts of many substances—even pure water—can poison people. But the trace amount of fluoride contained in fluoridated water will not harm anyone.

Warfarin, a drug commonly used to thin the blood and prevent clotting, was also in common use as a rat poison before it was used in medicine.

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Who said I did not study at Oxford.:D
Your still STEALING, which makes you a thief. end of:mad:

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Just because in very small doses fluoride may be good for teeth does that out weigh the other health problems?, i think they first used it to make the prisoners submissive,,anyway back to Licence's please ;)

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For every article claiming fluoride benefits there are others that say it is toxic,

I prefer to believe this one
Fluoride Action Network | Brain

"In 2007, scientists from the Neurotoxicology Division of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency identified fluoride as having “substantial evidence” of “developmental neurotoxicity.” A developmental neurotoxin is a chemical that can damage the young, developing brain."

"In July of 2012, a team of Harvard researchers published a “meta-analysis” of 27 studies that have investigated the relationship between fluoride and human intelligence. (Choi 2012) The overwhelming majority of these studies found that fluoride exposure was associated with reduced IQ in children. In fact, 26 of the 27 studies that met the Harvard team’s inclusion criteria found a relationship between elevated fluoride and reduced IQ. The Harvard team thus concluded that fluoride’s effect on the developing brain of children should be a “high research priority” in countries like the U.S. where, despite mass fluoridation programs, no studies have yet been conducted to investigate the issue."

"As noted by Dr. Philippe Grandjean, an environmental health scientist at the Harvard School of Public Health: “Fluoride seems to fit in with lead, mercury, and other poisons that cause chemical brain drain. The effect of each toxicant may seem small, but the combined damage on a population scale can be serious, especially because the brain power of the next generation is crucial to all of us.”

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What bit of my post did you not understand?

I am aware that habitual criminals will try very hard to justify their wrong doing in all sorts of ways.

Simply ignoring someone is one of those.

It is now obvious you know nothing about the finer points of water purification and therefore you are a layman, much like the rest of us.
Next you will be telling me how to pilot a Jet Aircraft.

But back to your Television Licence and Water Bill theft.

Your still STEALING, which makes you a thief. end of:mad:
Its quite a simple test, do you receive something or use a service without paying for it? Yes or No

Well seeing on TWO counts you said yes, that's Theft.
Therefore you are a criminal.
Maybe not in your belief, but certainly in the rest of the society of this land.
Better turn yourself in son

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Technically :A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly takes property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it,,,i've been honest with them ;)

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Believe what you will sue, i do ;)

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Well done Chris SUI JURIS, your the very first person in six years to go on my ignore list.

you can play with semantics of the Theft Act all you want.
You would not last 5 mins in a court of law.

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:eek::eek: looks like i'm 1 man crime wave,,,you'll find the real criminals are CEO of UU,TVL,ENERGY COMPANYS etc

sorry dad what was i turning myself in for again,,,, O thats right theft of water and TVL evasion,,,,i wouldnt know what to say to police apart from it's none of there business ;)

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I'll take anyone on in court who claims i'm a theif ;) :D:D:D

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Yawn.

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Er, no...

http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...ude-nazi-myth/

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Yeh but susie, Dipsticks don't look at facts, They don't fit in with conspiracy theories.:rolleyes:

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Thief sounds better.

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Nah he is a theif hes nicked jaysays spellchecker.:D

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And some dipsticks believe whatever the media/government tells them ;)

maybe i should of started a untd utilities/energy thread

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lol :o

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Other dipsticks would rather believe unsubstantiated drivel from crackpots that they read on the WWW.

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The government usually has the law on its side.

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I BELIEVE there is one law, that is natural law of creation - do no harm,,,,,,start a law thread marg ,I promise i'll join in(it should be interesting) ;)

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But you are doing harm... by not paying your way and having others pick up the tab for you.

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Your mental health problems are nothing to do with fluoride less don't worry ;)

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i don't beieve for one minute the outrageous 'bills' folk get are a direct consequence of anything i or others like me (non payers) have done(Although these companys do like you to think that) ;)

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Yet another pathetic attempt at humour, when you finally grow up what do you want to be?

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A free sentient being ,,but if not a comedian might be a possible route ;)

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So you think that everything you get should be free......that the men and women who work to provide you with services that you need to live, are not worthy of their hire??
You make everything the rest of us use and pay for, more expensive because you do not pay....not only are you a sponger, and a free loader, you are selfish too.

Don't wait for me to start a law thread...you will be waiting a damn long time.

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What a shame, I think you are being overambitious on both counts, perhaps you need to crawl back under your stone and consider something you are more likely to achieve?
Have you considered brain dead?

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Marg i'm sure your well aware of the profits these companys make each year, With that amount of money they can afford freeloaders,scrounger's etc and still pay waages don't try make out it's my, freeloaders,scrounger's fault prices are silly cos it won't wash.if they were on your/our side i think we would have vertually free energy...Who benefits most from free energy being suppressed? "Follow the money" as they say :rolleyes:

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There's nothing I'd like better than not to have to pay for my utilities. But I live in the real world and know that if I did this while obtaining them from utility companies I would be cheating my fellow citizens and making them pay more on their bills. As Margaret says this is selfish and sponging off others. The only way to achieve your dream is to live in the middle of nowhere, build a wind generator, dig a well, build a reed bed for sewage treatment and chop down some trees for fuel.

You would then be truly self sufficient without sponging off others so why don't you go away and research such a lifestyle instead of coming on here and boasting about how much you can get away with without having to pay for it. The hard work might do you good and we'd all be a lot happier. But I guess you're also lazy and couldn't do that in a million years.

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there's nothing i'd like more at this point in my life .....have we found Common ground ;)??
I've looked into this live of the land lifestyle(I lived in a tent for 5mnths eating rabbits,hedgehog,nettle soup etc and collecting/treating water) but you see the system makes it's so hard to live without certain things i feel it's best to avoid it if poss.So for now your stuck with me ;)

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Well I've done some of it - lived in a cottage in the middle of a field, used a woodstove for cooking and heating, grew vegetables, kept animals, chopped wood... We had a well but couldn't use it cos some idiot had chucked rubbish down it.

Mind you that was years ago before everyone needed computers and all the other electronic gadgets that are essential nowadays. No Accyweb forums then!

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I am well aware of the profits made by companies,(they need to make it worthwhile for investors to put money into the pot, to maintain infrastructure.R&D and the like) but they are in it to make a profit, they are not philanthropists.
Pointing out the profits they make, doesn't take away the fact that you are not paying your way....just diverting the the discussion away from your sponging and freeloading ways.

I have worked very hard all of my life to have the lifestyle which I have.......I do not wish to be paying for you to freeload off my(and your community's) efforts.

The only energy that is free is what I dry my washing with.

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My sponging and freeloading ways should be the least of your worries if you honestly think Any of these companys have your best intrests at heart,,,congrats on paying into the system tho,,,, hopefully it's looked after you for your contributions instead of using you as a cash cow?

To be honest I really don't care what folk think of my ways/views but i think you've sussed that by now(selfish? maaybe),,, it could be worse seen as i'm entitled to benefits of the state but choose not to accept there kind offer ;)

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Sounds like you was living my dream sue(apart from the well,which was'nt me before you ask ;)) Can i ask why you left that lifestyle?

No Accyweb :eek::eek::eek: