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lancsdave 30-03-2007 13:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405147)
For the avoidance of doubt, I have only one identity. I see no reason to adopt another.

Well as it's top secret this must be the first time I have agreed with you :D

garinda 30-03-2007 13:21
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Perhaps he's supposed to be counting paperclips in the stationary cupboard in Scaitcliffe House, and has to stop posting every time PB walks past.

Bazf 30-03-2007 13:34
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No he is PB and he goes off line so his minnions can tell him what to write.

Less 30-03-2007 14:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405147)
For the avoidance of doubt, I have only one identity. I see no reason to adopt another.
You have only what? So when your boss calls you to lick his **** he calls you gondola as well does he? somehow I doubt that, I'm sure he has a special term just for you!:D


Quote:
Neil=Yes you can, just use Firefox for one and Internet Explorer for the other. Or use more than one PC.
Oops did I say that aloud?
Or when you want to answer many quotes in just one post you can log on under your proper accyweb name in two windows at once and you don't have to be naughty.:)



Quote:
gondola=Those that have concerns about the conduct or insouciance of some councillors
That had my appetite wetted I'd almost worked it out but had to google for it to be sure, so here for those of you that can't be bothered is the meaning, (probably from the same thesaurus he used).

insouciance
n. indifference; carefreeness.

I'd have put the long definition down but, you know what? I JUST CAN'T SEEM TO CARE.

http://web.syr.edu/%7Eadblanda/Thesaurus.jpg

Neil 30-03-2007 14:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Less (Post 405236)
Or when you want to answer many quotes in just one post you can log on under your proper accyweb name in two windows at once and you don't have to be naughty.:)
I just right click the quote button and say open in new tab in firefox. Then you can tart up the quote and copy paste it along with others into the reply box. Same ends different method. I prefer several tabs open to several windows.

gondola 30-03-2007 14:45
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Less,

There is no need for such nonsense. You strike me as an egregious numpty.
Instead of cluttering this thread with your dross, why don't you create your own and see if anyone is remotely interested in your drivel. When you learn that they are not, then you can reappear here, apologise profusely for your conduct, and then perhaps the discussion can be resumed.

In the meantime I suggest you find yourself a job. Loitering on the streets serves no purpose.

Close the door on your way out.

Neil 30-03-2007 14:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405244)
Less,

There is no need for such nonsense. You strike me as an egregious numpty.
Instead of cluttering this thread with your dross, why don't you create your own and see if anyone is remotely interested in your drivel. When you learn that they are not, then you can reappear here
I think you will find we prefer Less's drivel to yours

accymel 30-03-2007 14:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405244)
Less,

There is no need for such nonsense. You strike me as an egregious numpty.
Instead of cluttering this thread with your dross, why don't you create your own and see if anyone is remotely interested in your drivel. When you learn that they are not, then you can reappear here, apologise profusely for your conduct, and then perhaps the discussion can be resumed.

In the meantime I suggest you find yourself a job. Loitering on the streets serves no purpose.

Close the door on your way out.
Why dont u take a running jump & head your own advice, you've offered nothing - not even a decent discussion other than your pathetic assumptions & over abused read of the thersaurus - big deal! I wouldnt start on Less if u know whats good for u or your visit here might be cut short:p besides prefer Less dross cos he's too funny for his own good - yours well just plain boring!

Now naff off! - uneducated version for **** off!:D

Less 30-03-2007 14:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405244)
Less,

There is no need for such nonsense. You strike me as an egregious numpty.
Instead of cluttering this thread with your dross, why don't you create your own and see if anyone is remotely interested in your drivel. When you learn that they are not, then you can reappear here, apologise profusely for your conduct, and then perhaps the discussion can be resumed.

In the meantime I suggest you find yourself a job. Loitering on the streets serves no purpose.

Close the door on your way out.
Why don't you just look at my profile,see how many threads I have started, how many people join in, (not all agreeing), but we usually manage it in plain language and with a laugh, so who do you suppose might just have the edge?
If you don't like the way we operate, you are the newby, you can find the door. Either fit in and stop trying to educate us with nothing or ship out.
:p

gondola 30-03-2007 14:55
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Neil,

In which case you too should consider why you visit this thread. Surely if it agitates you then you would remove yourself from here. No, it is readily obvious you find it compelling. Hence why you are here.
If you prefer to read more nonsense from less, then ask him to set up a thread. Then you both can soak up the dross without complaint.

No one is forced to view this thread. If you don’t like it, then you need not read it. It’s not rocket science you know. If this thread offers you nothing then go to one that does.

Less 30-03-2007 14:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by accymel (Post 405248)
W I wouldnt start on Less if u know whats good for u or your visit here might be cut short:p
Now, Now mel don't make threats against the uninformed leave them in the dark it's where they aught to be, (you know I don't use things against people, (cough, cough)).

Besides you look better when you smile.
;)

accymel 30-03-2007 14:57
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Who the buggery are you Gondola???? You the admin ??? As far as Accyweb is concerned Roy is owner & there are moderators to keep law & order ..... i dont recall you being one!!!

Blimey control freak alert!!!!!!!!

Lolly 30-03-2007 14:58
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Signed off again. :rofl38:

Margaret Pilkington 30-03-2007 14:59
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I have read this thread through from start to finish (yawn)....what is it all about? GOK.......I think I must be losing the plot.
I keep on waiting for the revelation that Gondola promised us early on......but nothing has appeared so far....well, except very petty insults and Gondola answering his own questions before anyone else can respond.......Gondola.....if you know the answers before you ask the question....then don't bother with the question.

accymel 30-03-2007 15:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Less (Post 405259)
Now, Now mel don't make threats against the uninformed leave them in the dark it's where they aught to be, (you know I don't use things against people, (cough, cough)).

Besides you look better when you smile.
;)
Awwwwww :D:D::D :D :D :D :D :D :D thats for you Less:D :D :D

As for 'IT' well i dont think he got it anyway - his ego is too big to engage the brain;)

Lolly 30-03-2007 15:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 405263)
I have read this thread through from start to finish (yawn)....what is it all about? GOK.......I think I must be losing the plot.
I keep on waiting for the revelation that Gondola promised us early on......but nothing has appeared so far....well, except very petty insults and Gondola answering his own questions before anyone else can respond.......Gondola.....if you know the answers before you ask the question....then don't bother with the question.
I completely agree this is exactly what i was thinking whilst reading the whole thread!!:p

Margaret Pilkington 30-03-2007 15:01
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Oh and BTW Gondola.....we may not be riveted by your revelations, but you need to read a thread before you can judge whether it is dross or not.

gondola 30-03-2007 15:05
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I see the Siddique brigade is out in full force. No wonder Hyndburn has gone to ruin.

Margaret Pilkington 30-03-2007 15:07
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Who, exactly are the Siddique brigade then Gondola?....since you know ALL the answers perhaps you will enlighten us.

Neil 30-03-2007 15:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405256)
If this thread offers you nothing then go to one that does.
It offers plenty, I like it when people make fools of themselves and start annoying all the other forum members. The outcome is often quite interesting.

Less 30-03-2007 15:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405268)
I see the Siddique brigade is out in full force. No wonder Hyndburn has gone to ruin.

Did you mean Siddiqui? by any chance?

Hyndburn isn't in ruins the great majority of people on here love, (better definition), Accrington and surrounding districts, but before strangers pull it apart, (please feel free to include yourself in that), we will pull it apart in the hopes of rebuilding it.
We may call our Councillors but they are our Councillors, as misguided as they may appear, we will sort them out in PLAIN LANGUAGE!

We do not need the muddy waters inherited by them and us stirred by such a self centred little Stick! (Spell checker please I'm sure the word I'm looking for begins with Google Page Ranking, not St :D).

flashy 30-03-2007 15:23
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pmsfl....oh how i love the honesty you come out with les

lettie 30-03-2007 15:49
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I have to agree with Margaret. I started reading this thread because I was bored (and I'll do anything to avoid housework :D ).

I have to admit that I have gained nothing from this thread, except, the loss of my will to live.

On reading Gondola's indecipherable and over-worded posts, I can only conclude that he/she has not told us anything of any substance. I have to congratulate Ianto for gamely trying to elicit some form of discussion from this thread.

I also need to thank uncle Less for making me laugh....

I'm off to the calm room for a bit now, maybe the 'free for a trial period' lobotomies, which are currently on offer, will restore my desire for life.;) :D

WillowTheWhisp 30-03-2007 15:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by accymel (Post 405260)
Who the buggery are you Gondola???? You the admin ??? As far as Accyweb is concerned Roy is owner & there are moderators to keep law & order ..... i dont recall you being one!!!

Blimey control freak alert!!!!!!!!


Phew! Thank goodness for that. I was beginning to wonder if Roy had sold AccyWeb out from under us. :rolleyes:

accysimon 30-03-2007 16:27
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In my humble but honest opinion, there are may Councillors who are fit for purpose, and many who aren't. The only way to sort it out is at the ballot box on election day. No amount of threats, or rumour mongering will force them to resign, especially after the 20% pay rise they awarded themselves some time ago. However, there are some councillors who refused to accept it, and some who don't accept any allowances. They should be aplauded.

Peter Britcliffe keeps going on about a deficit he 'inherited' from the previous labour administration. However, this seems to be anything from £1.8 million to £2 million pounds, yet he will not substanciate his allegations with hard facts. WHY? Furthermore, the ruling tory group recently hijacked the labour group plans to offer free and reduced sports and leisure, then claimed to the press it was there idea. Will they stop at nothing to gain votes?

Maybe if more independants put their names forward, free of political ties, more people could ( or maybe not ) begin to trust them.

This is my opinion, and only my opinion. Feel free to agree or disagree. (No doubt some will).

gondola 30-03-2007 16:48
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''The only way to sort it out is at the ballot box on election day''

That is true, save when the candidates put forward are all considered unfit for office. In that case the disillusioned voter chooses not to vote and thus becomes a part of the rapidly growing non-vote. I think there has to be a debate about the credentials, integrity and merit of those seeking to become candidates. This was clearly highlighted here this week when I alerted readers to the fact that Mr Safdar had agreed a pact with the Tories prior to him being forwarded for an internal election for the Labour Party. I also detailed the fact that he had lost by one vote, and that had he won he would have been supported by his party.Had he won, the Labour party would have imposed a candidate on those that adhere to their principles, in effect forcing them to choose a man they suggest has no integrity or not to vote. That is not democracy at it's best.

Incidentally, so far as regards the state of the Council's finances, perhaps Mr Britcliffe needs to ensure that those that swindel the coffers of the Council and organisations affiliated to it, are subjected to the principle of law enforcement and made to pay back that which they have swindled. In that way, the balance sheet would look rather more robust.

Lolly 30-03-2007 16:49
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:sleep8: ........

Sorry couldnt help myself! lol.

Neil 30-03-2007 16:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405338)
Incidentally, so far as regards the state of the Council's finances, perhaps Mr Britcliffe needs to ensure that those that swindel the coffers of the Council and organisations affiliated to it, are subjected to the principle of law enforcement and made to pay back that which they have swindled. In that way, the balance sheet would look rather more robust.
See there you go again.
Who is swindling the Council?
If you know then state it as a fact.
If you don't know then don't imply someone is.

chav1 30-03-2007 16:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lolly (Post 405340)
:sleep8: ........

Sorry couldnt help myself! lol.
chav pokes lolly in the eye :p

wake up girl :D

gondola 30-03-2007 17:00
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I repeat, without reservation - those that swindel the Council coffers need to be subjected to the principle of law enforcement.

lancsdave 30-03-2007 17:02
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So to sum up so far;

Some councillors are good. Some are bad.
Some councillors take care with expenses some go OTT and allegedly border on fraud.
Some prospective councillors don't have a clue which party they want to run with, others are more dedicated.
Some councillors are fit to be Mayor, some aren't.

Not very conclusive is it... I know lets start this thread again :smoky:

Neil 30-03-2007 17:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405350)
I repeat, without reservation - those that swindel the Council coffers need to be subjected to the principle of law enforcement.
And I repeat - Who are you suggesting is doing the swindling.
I agree that if the Council is being swindled then action should be taken.

panther 30-03-2007 17:06
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cant believe that this thread is still going:rolleyes: :Banane17:

Margaret Pilkington 30-03-2007 17:08
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Gondola......I am not one to pull people up about their spelling....(goodness knows we all have our weaknesses) but for you I will make an exception.....just because you are so wordy. Swindle is the correct spelling.....not swindel.
To the moderators - sorry for the thread wander.

gondola 30-03-2007 17:08
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Neil,

I jest not - however the manner in which it is revealed has to be done with a degree of care. I would relish the opportunity to disclose the information I have with immediate effect, but I know it needs to be done in a certain way.

What I am proposing in the meantime is to raise awareness that all is not in order amongst the 'councillor fraternity'.

gondola 30-03-2007 17:11
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MP,

re swindle - it is a typo - you will have noted from the previous post it was spelt correctly. No point in being pedantic.

Margaret Pilkington 30-03-2007 17:13
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It was also a typo in post 226 then was it?

Margaret Pilkington 30-03-2007 17:13
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And I think it is you who is the pedant.

accymel 30-03-2007 17:16
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No he's just a tosspot that dont just get the message!!

gondola 30-03-2007 17:18
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MP,

I have scrolled back and noted my error. I retract my last post.

flashy 30-03-2007 17:20
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spaz......

lancsdave 30-03-2007 17:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405359)
Neil,

I jest not - however the manner in which it is revealed has to be done with a degree of care. I would relish the opportunity to disclose the information I have with immediate effect, but I know it needs to be done in a certain way.
Roughly translated means the story is going to be sold to the News Of The World and the grass will be rewarded with a nice payout :D

accymel 30-03-2007 17:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 405370)
Roughly translated means the story is going to be sold to the News Of The World and the grass will be rewarded with a nice payout :D
Even the micky mouse paper wont be that taken in or daft enough gee thats if they wake up after hearing him:D

lancsdave 30-03-2007 17:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by accymel (Post 405371)
Even the micky mouse paper wont be that taken in or daft enough gee thats if they wake up after hearing him:D
Thet don't need to be taken, it's their job to print rubbish for which there is no element of truth :)

accymel 30-03-2007 17:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 405374)
Thet don't need to be taken, it's their job to print rubbish for which there is no element of truth :)
I think they would have far more important nonsence to print than gondys unless they pay him a penny only:)

Neil 30-03-2007 17:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405359)
Neil,

I jest not - however the manner in which it is revealed has to be done with a degree of care.
Then do it as a letter to the Observer or as an anonymous letter to me and I will post it :D

panther 30-03-2007 17:35
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how can anyone be soooooo boring:confused: :Banane36:

flashy 30-03-2007 17:38
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apparently he can

Gayle 30-03-2007 17:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 405378)
Then do it as a letter to the Observer or as an anonymous letter to me and I will post it :D
I suspect he's hoping that he'll drop just enough information and someone will pick up the gauntlet and run with it, thus keeping his nose clean.

Neil 30-03-2007 17:49
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He (I am referring to gondola as a he from now on 'cus it means typing on less s than she) is probably in a position where he knows things that not many do. By telling us on here he might point the finger to the real himself.

yerself 30-03-2007 17:50
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The phrase used by Disraeli to describe Gladstone springs to mind.

"He is intoxicated with the exuberance of his own verbosity"

lancsdave 30-03-2007 17:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 405398)
I suspect he's hoping that he'll drop just enough information and someone will pick up the gauntlet and run with it, thus keeping his nose clean.
Perhaps he could save more time by dropping bigger hints then, the current long winded route isn't working :)

Gayle 30-03-2007 17:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 405400)
He (I am referring to gondola as a he from now on 'cus it means typing on less s than she) is probably in a position where he knows things that not many do. By telling us on here he might point the finger to the real himself.
I made that point ages ago but I suspect you haven't read it because I can't imagine anyone would want to wade through this thread again.

He (and I'll stick to the s-less variant for ease as well) is possibly in a position where he could get fired for sharing this information.

Neil 30-03-2007 17:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 405405)
a position where he could get fired for sharing this information.
Maybe we are on the wrong track. Does anyone at HBC actually know what is going on?

Gayle 30-03-2007 17:58
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It may not be an employee of HBC - there are other people who know an awful lot about the inner workings of the council and who know a lot of words - journalists for instance.

Neil 30-03-2007 18:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 405409)
journalists for instance.
A journalist that keeps his gob shut, come pull the other ;)

Gayle 30-03-2007 18:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 405410)
A journalist that keeps his gob shut, come pull the other ;)
Yeah, good point.

Uncle Mick 30-03-2007 18:42
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I`ve enjoyed this thread, all the twists and turns, shame it`ll finish tomorrow at 7:00pm. He is the Master is`nt he??

flashy 30-03-2007 18:43
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why will it finish tomorrow?

chav1 30-03-2007 18:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 405431)
why will it finish tomorrow?
because tomorrow is teh end of teh world but i aint saying whos responsible ;)

harwood red 30-03-2007 18:45
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Crikey if this does carry on then I think it will have a good chance at beating the post count on the word game :eek: :rolleyes:

flashy 30-03-2007 18:46
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oooo i'd better get some sexy time in then if its the end of the world ;)

claytonender 30-03-2007 18:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 405032)
Well I don't know anything about Cllr Siddique but I do know that Cllr Rahman has been an excellent Mayor for Hyndburn. He is possibly one of the hardest working men I've ever met and he is also one of the nicest. He fulfills all his official duties with a wonderful smile on his face and his wife is elegant and gracious.

A Mayor can be an excellent asset to an area if they are a good Mayor. They can be ambassadors for the area both inside the area and outside it. If the Mayor attends a function it gives it a certain level of gravitas and support.

PS - if you invite the Mayor to attend your event the press usually comes along and takes a picture so you get extra publicity for your events. :D
I agree with this posting wholeheartedly. As well as his official duties he has helped to raise a lot of money for charity, through the Mayoral Charity Fund. This year the Mayoral Charity's main beneficiaries are MacMillan Cancer Relief, East Lancashire Hospice and Hyndburn Homewise. Which are all charities who help people in Hyndurn.

Uncle Mick 30-03-2007 19:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 405431)
why will it finish tomorrow?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/

Margaret Pilkington 30-03-2007 19:35
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Gondola IS male according to his profile......unless of course anyone out there knows anything different.

Less 30-03-2007 19:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lettie (Post 405296)



I also need to thank uncle Less for making me laugh....

Gosh I only went out to get p*ssed, (sorry mods didn't mean to say ****ed).

I come back and there are lots and lots more posts in this thread.

However there is only one really worth answering and that is above:-

Thank you Lettie by calling me Uncle you have ruined a fantasy I've had about you for ages, from now on my thoughts will have to be cleaner than clean, see how you can ruin an old mans dreams with just one sentence?:D (P.S. I like the moustache If I could grow one I would).:rolleyes:

Ianto.W. 30-03-2007 20:27
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I personaly do not care who 'gondola' is those opinions will stay with me, I have asked this thread more than once, are any heads, or should any heads, roll for the monumental blunder made by the taxi licensing committee, thus far I have not had a sensible answer to the question. Any fool can sit on the sidelines and play the 'Japaneese' sniper, and be applauded by their followers, this is not as some say a boring thread as some members think, to yours truly it is an important issue that needs sensible discussion, anyone who makes light of it should open a thread in 'Anything Goes' and take their infantile opinions to the same.

accymel 30-03-2007 20:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 405484)
I personaly do not care who 'gondola' is those opinions will stay with me, I have asked this thread more than once, are any heads, or should any heads, roll for the monumental blunder made by the taxi licensing committee, thus far I have not had a sensible answer to the question. Any fool can sit on the sidelines and play the 'Japaneese' sniper, and be applauded by their followers, this is not as some say a boring thread as some members think, to yours truly it is an important issue that needs sensible discussion, anyone who makes light of it should open a thread in 'Anything Goes' and take their infantile opinions to the same.
Well as this isnt that thread maybe you should wait for a sensible answer on the thread concerned http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=29286 :D

gondola 30-03-2007 20:46
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Ianto,

Indeed. There are many on here who suggest to me that if they had information from me they would progress the matter forward and the rest. However, what have they done in a matter in which the information is in the public domain? Very little.

Have they put pressure on Britcliffe to make the enquiry more transparent and balanced? Have they written to the Leader of the Council suggesting the same?

It is easy to criticise others, and claim that there is insufficient information to act. I have already made my view clear that Mr Dad ought not to be on the Community and Wellbeing Committee if his recent stance is a reflection of his view of community safety.

So come on fence sitters, let's have some action. No point requesting more information if you don't have the tenacity to act on that which is already available.

Ianto.W. 30-03-2007 20:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by accymel (Post 405486)
Well as this isnt that thread maybe you should wait for a sensible answer on the thread concerned http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=29286 :D
Now I have been waiting for that answer accymel, it was stated on that above thread I quote," This thread is about are you safe in his taxi not about politics" hence the current thread. I do not intend to waste valuable time stating the exact post number, That is why this political thread was raised, without wanting to appear offenceive, do not try to baffle me with science.

gondola 30-03-2007 20:49
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By the way, since AccyMel has failed to grasp the concept, this thread is an appropriate platform to discuss the matter raised by Ianto. This is because it is directly linked to the decisions made by Councillors. The decision was flawed, that is now apparent. It ought to have been apparent at the time.

claytonender 30-03-2007 20:50
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It is up to the residents of Hyndburn to force the Leader of our Council to be, for once in his life, honest and admit that there have been grave errors of judgement made by certain councillors.
The only worry PB has, is that on May 4 he will not have his exalted position. Unfortunately, the only way this 'sleazy' administration can be got rid of his through the ballot box. If the voters saw how PB behaves at the election count (it gives you cause to doubt both his inteligence and his sanity) they would never even think of giving him any power. to be fair to some of the members of the Tory party they are look very embrassed by his behaviour.
There is a great deal of truth in the maxim -'All power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely' I think this sums up our 'esteemed' leader of the council correctly.

gondola 30-03-2007 20:56
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Claytonender,

Some very salient points. I think readers need to ensure that they get a response to this important issue and the manner in which any investigation is orchestrated. If the result is not satisfactory, then the only way to let those responsible know is by ensuring that they do not get the vote.

Politicians cannot knock on doors pretending to understand the needs of the constituents, then ignore their requests for an explanation when such needs have been ignored.

claytonender 30-03-2007 20:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405487)
Ianto,

Indeed. There are many on here who suggest to me that if they had information from me they would progress the matter forward and the rest. However, what have they done in a matter in which the information is in the public domain? Very little.

Have they put pressure on Britcliffe to make the enquiry more transparent and balanced? Have they written to the Leader of the Council suggesting the same?

It is easy to criticise others, and claim that there is insufficient information to act. I have already made my view clear that Mr Dad ought not to be on the Community and Wellbeing Committee if his recent stance is a reflection of his view of community safety.

So come on fence sitters, let's have some action. No point requesting more information if you don't have the tenacity to act on that which is already available.
I did think of writing to PB to make the enquiry more transparent and balanced.

But on reflection, I decided that if I did I would get one of his usual brush off replies, so instead of doing that I wrote a letter to the Accrington Observer. My letter was in yesterday's edition.

I thought that raising the matter in the press would be more effective - if my letter gets slated in next weeks issue, at least I will know the point has been rammed home.

accymel 30-03-2007 20:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 405484)
I personaly do not care who 'gondola' is those opinions will stay with me, I have asked this thread more than once, are any heads, or should any heads, roll for the monumental blunder made by the taxi licensing committee, thus far I have not had a sensible answer to the question. Any fool can sit on the sidelines and play the 'Japaneese' sniper, and be applauded by their followers, this is not as some say a boring thread as some members think, to yours truly it is an important issue that needs sensible discussion, anyone who makes light of it should open a thread in 'Anything Goes' and take their infantile opinions to the same.
You mentioned about the taxi licencing....so why the quote below??

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ianto.w
Now I have been waiting for that answer accymel, it was stated on that above thread I quote," This thread is about are you safe in his taxi not about politics" hence the current thread. I do not intend to waste valuable time stating the exact post number, That is why this political thread was raised, without wanting to appear offenceive, do not try to baffle me with science.
Not science just logic:D

gondola 30-03-2007 21:05
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Claytonender,

Your efforts have to be commended. If others, including myself, can entrench in the minds of PB and others that these matters are of considerable importance to the general public, then I am stone cold certain that those that are conducting the investigation will be forced to undertake a more balanced investigation.

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change society. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.

Margaret Pilkington 30-03-2007 21:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405487)
Ianto,

Indeed. There are many on here who suggest to me that if they had information from me they would progress the matter forward and the rest. However, what have they done in a matter in which the information is in the public domain? Very little.

Have they put pressure on Britcliffe to make the enquiry more transparent and balanced? Have they written to the Leader of the Council suggesting the same?

It is easy to criticise others, and claim that there is insufficient information to act. I have already made my view clear that Mr Dad ought not to be on the Community and Wellbeing Committee if his recent stance is a reflection of his view of community safety.

So come on fence sitters, let's have some action. No point requesting more information if you don't have the tenacity to act on that which is already available.
What makes you presume that any of us on here have not written to those responsible for the reprehensible decisions that have been fully discussed in another thread?

Ianto.W. 30-03-2007 21:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by accymel (Post 405494)
You mentioned about the taxi licencing....so why the quote below??



Not science just logic:D
Mell I take your point but after not getting a straight answer, one gets frustrated, in my opinion it is not a subject for light hearted consideration, as I know your heart is in the right place, apologies if I was abrupt with my reply, but the subject had only just been kicked of the thread you mentioned. regards Ian:D

claytonender 30-03-2007 21:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405495)

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change society. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.
I agree with you there, but there does need to be a very concerted effort to get to the truth and PB will put every obstacle in the way.

accymel 30-03-2007 21:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405489)
By the way, since AccyMel has failed to grasp the concept, this thread is an appropriate platform to discuss the matter raised by Ianto. This is because it is directly linked to the decisions made by Councillors. The decision was flawed, that is now apparent. It ought to have been apparent at the time.
I wouldnt patronise me Gondola, you may have the big words but no substance to them - so beggars belief why you put this thread up in the 1st place:rolleyes:

Taken from taxi licencing thread:
Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola
I think it unfair of me to hijack this thread with discussions not directly linked to the title of the thread. This may disenchant some of the readers.

Perhaps someone would care to direct me to a link or some such on how to create a new thread for purposes of setting up a separate discussion. Unless of course readers do not mind unrelated matters being discussed here.
So make your mind up is this about the taxi licencing thread issue or about the councillors being fit for purpose:confused: - If its both then why start a new thread or better still stay on topic!!

Margaret Pilkington 30-03-2007 21:11
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It IS indeed a very serious subject. These people are being paid with our money, yet they appear not to have our interests or safety at heart.

claytonender 30-03-2007 21:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 405500)
It IS indeed a very serious subject. These people are being paid with our money, yet they appear not to have our interests or safety at heart.
I agree with you wholeheartedly.

accymel 30-03-2007 21:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 405497)
Mell I take your point but after not getting a straight answer, one gets frustrated, in my opinion it is not a subject for light hearted consideration, as I know your heart is in the right place, apologies if I was abrupt with my reply, but the subject had only just been kicked of the thread you mentioned. regards Ian:D
No worries Ian but do u honestly think you will get the honest straight answer u require from gondola:confused: - which tbh does anyone know who gondola is or what he does & what his intentions with regard to this discussion, i would proceed with caution:D

gondola 30-03-2007 21:14
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Accymel wrote: ‘’So make your mind up is this about the taxi licencing thread issue or about the councillors being fit for purpose’’

Those Councillors that voted in favour are not fit for purpose in my considered view. Thus this thread is a suitable platform for discussion of both since there is a clear correlation between the two issues.

Margaret Pilkington 30-03-2007 21:17
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So the answer to the question that this thread posed is - the majority are not fit for purpose....with the exception of Clare Pritchard who stood up to the main body of the committee.

accymel 30-03-2007 21:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405504)
Accymel wrote: ‘’So make your mind up is this about the taxi licencing thread issue or about the councillors being fit for purpose’’

Those Councillors that voted in favour are not fit for purpose in my considered view. Thus this thread is a suitable platform for discussion of both since there is a clear correlation between the two issues.
Of course theres a correlation between the two [obviously] so why discuss the both on here then when there is a thread for the taxi licencing topic:rolleyes:

gondola 30-03-2007 21:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 405496)
What makes you presume that any of us on here have not written to those responsible for the reprehensible decisions that have been fully discussed in another thread?
MP,

I am not asserting that others have not addressed the issue. Clearly Claytonenders efforts serve as proof to to offset such a claim.

I agree with Claytonender however, that impediments shall be admitted by those that have something to conceal here, and it is only by overcoming those impediments that a satisfactory answer shall be made available. Hence the need to exert further pressure.

accymel 30-03-2007 21:22
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On a serious note - i think gondola should use clear PLAIN english so everyone can understand what the heck you are on about!!

gondola 30-03-2007 21:22
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''so why discuss the both on here''

Well, mindful of the inevitable overlap, and the reluctance of some on the other thread to discuss the political aspect, it was suggested to me to start a new thread. I merely responded to the requests.

I cheerfully encourage those that wish to discuss the failure of Councillors in arriving at a sensible decision in the first place, as well as the need to examine the reasons for the same.

Margaret Pilkington 30-03-2007 21:22
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I think it is clear in the other thread that some of the members of this forum made their feelings known about the decisions to reinstate the Taxi licence of Mohammed Altaf to the appropriate people. So to categorise us all as 'fence sitters' is a generalisation which I find odious.

accymel 30-03-2007 21:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405509)
''so why discuss the both on here''

Well, mindful of the inevitable overlap, and the reluctance of some on the other thread to discuss the political aspect, it was suggested to me to start a new thread. I merely responded to the requests.

I cheerfully encourage those that wish to discuss the failure of Councillors in arriving at a sensible decision in the first place, as well as the need to examine the reasons for the same.
I think you should re read your own quotes obviously not clear enough for yourself!! I shall re post it for you in bold - you actually asked nobody else did!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola
I think it unfair of me to hijack this thread with discussions not directly linked to the title of the thread. This may disenchant some of the readers.

Perhaps someone would care to direct me to a link or some such on how to create a new thread for purposes of setting up a separate discussion. Unless of course readers do not mind unrelated matters being discussed here.


gondola 30-03-2007 21:27
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MP,

It is about setting objectives to ensure the goal is achieved. If that is a balanced investigation to unearth the real reasons for the disgraceful decision, then perhaps thought be given to these objectives. How about setting up a petition to present to the Leader of the Council and Member Of Parliament?. At election time, such measures can have the desired impact.

claytonender 30-03-2007 21:28
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They are also squandering our money, whilst the idea of 'Floral Market Towns' sounds attractive. The money that is being spent on that could have been spent on something much more useful - I know floral displays are very attractive but the borough is in a state of decay. I can liken PB to Nerohe is fiddling whilst Hyndburn burns.
The main shopping area of Accrington is still littered with pound shops, where is there a shop to buy decent shoes or stylish clothes for anyone over 30, the market is now an apology, compared to what it was. The plans to renovate the Market Hall are probably too late, people no longer think of coming to visit Accrington for its Market like they once did.
We do have some good shops in Warner Street and maybe the focus of the town centre should be there.

In the words of Oliver Cromwell, when he dismissed the Long Parliament -I quote to Peter Britcliffe
"You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go"

Gayle 30-03-2007 21:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405513)
MP,

It is about setting objectives to ensure the goal is achieved. If that is a balanced investigation to unearth the real reasons for the disgraceful decision, then perhaps thought be given to these objectives. How about setting up a petition to present to the Leader of the Council and Member Of Parliament?. At election time, such measures can have the desired impact.

Yes, how about setting up a petition - instead of trying to coerce someone from here into doing it why don't you do it yourself if you feel so strongly about it?

gondola 30-03-2007 21:31
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Accymel,

Look here. What on earth is your point. You are proving rather irritating. On the other thread you were insisting that I was discussing political issues, and now here you are telling me not to discuss matters.

If you want to give guidance on what to discuss on a thread, then set up your own and dictate the rules.

This thread, as Ianto has said, is for discussion of important matters. I am not going to get drowned in a debate about what has or has not been said about why this thread has been set up, since that amounts to petty squabbling. I am far too busy for that.

gondola 30-03-2007 21:35
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Gayle,

You decided to run for the position of Councillor once. Now, had you been elected, what would you have done about this matter?

Well, let me put it this way. There is nothing stopping you from doing the same without being a Councillor. I am restricted in what I am able to do. It is not out of a sense of complacency.

Gayle 30-03-2007 21:37
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If I had been elected, PB would no longer be in power so quite likely this situation would not have arisen. :)

accymel 30-03-2007 21:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405517)
Accymel,

Look here. What on earth is your point. You are proving rather irritating. On the other thread you were insisting that I was discussing political issues, and now here you are telling me not to discuss matters.

If you want to give guidance on what to discuss on a thread, then set up your own and dictate the rules.
Cough! Well seems i've got a lot of catching up to do then to beat you :rolleyes: Do u do tuition on being irritating, using bullyboy tactics & patronising, then??:rolleyes:

accymel 30-03-2007 21:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405518)
I am restricted in what I am able to do. It is not out of a sense of complacency.
Why are you ????

claytonender 30-03-2007 21:43
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If Gayle had been elected PB would have been a footnote in the history of Hynburn Borough Council.

This year, unfortuantely, the voters will only have the power to consign his party to the scrapheap. Hyndburn Borough Council are saddled with him, as a councillor for another 3 years. Unless he does what he did when he was a member of Lancashire County Council and resign his seat, without serving the full term he was elected for.


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