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A question for Councillor Jones. He asserted that Mr Safdar’s affiliation to the Conservative Party was only known the day before the recent internal election. Yet this from the Observer yesterday:
‘’And Conservative candidate Mohammed Safdar, who is standing in Church, was a lifelong member of the Labour Party until around six months ago’’
Yes Councillors Jones, it states six months ago. Not the day before the internal election.
Care to offer an explanation or was the Labour Party really going to impose a candidate on the people of Central Ward that was with the Conservatives many months earlier?.
Either Councillor Jones is wrong or the Observer have got it wrong yet again.
Which is it my dear chap? If the latter, can you ask the Editor to amend it.

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I think it imperative that I write to the Editor of the Observer (or have someone write on my behalf) requesting clarification of this issue, mindful of the comments made by Councillor Jones on this forum. I shall request that it be included in the letters section, since it is only right and proper that readers be exposed to the actual facts surrounding the election process before committing themselves to voting for a particular candidate.

Councillor Jones has given a version of events here, but the Observer continue to report something that is in stark contrast to this

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I think this says it all plonker - that i think your sole purpose is to wind up the councillor members of the site with bullcrap, which i dont beleive u have the evidence for, so couldnt be taken seriously in any other medium so desperately chose this one in hope slack tongues make light work for you !!!

Am i right or am i right:D

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Slight correction required here. It should say "Am I right. Thought So "

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Gee i think Gondola thinks he's in the house of Commons already play acting Prime Mnisters Questions - BADLY & to ONESELF heheheheheehe

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****** ..... i forgot that:eek: .....darn shall do my lines answer every question i ask with ...thought so X 100:D

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The art of rhetorical questioning is not to allow the respondent the chance to answer but to state the answer in asking the question.

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Well, everything is on track so far as regards releasing information into the public domain. There are several others from this forum and elsewhere who are equally dedicated to ensuring the facts go public before the elections in May.
Readers on here may seek to reject the claims for now. But when the facts change, change with them.
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The elections may take an unexpected twist or two. It reminds me of some Shakespearean verse;
Oft expectations fail,
And most oft there,
where most they promise not to,
And oft they hit,
Where hope is coldest and despair most fits.

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Note the word highlighted ^^ claims erm does not mean FACT then - thought so!!:rolleyes:

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Some more from the Observer:
Labour leader Councillor Jones sais: ‘’It just goes to show that ministers do care about places like Hyndburn and are very interested in what’s going on’’

If only such interest permeated through the minds of the Councillors of Hyndburn, save one or two like Councillor Pritchard.

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Gondola i take it you want to win the Hyndburn seat in this years elections yourself - thought so & you are prepared to go to any lengths like the paparazzi in order to do it - thought so. You are not prepared to let the voting public know YOUR intentions in improving Hyndburn except dissing down your contenders 1st without your own purpose being discussed - thought so!

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I think just about everyone one here is dedicated to the facts going public except you.

We, the members of accyweb are NOT readers, but we reject gossip not facts.

Don't draw it out, if you know something and can prove it then either tell us or if it is illegal inform the authorities.

Otherwise take you dross elsewhere.

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I see the Community Development Fund has allocated funding to the ‘Why I Live Here’ project.
I wonder if Gayle would care to disclose the amount allocated to this project, and exactly what is hoped to be achieved from such an investment.
Another way to put it is this using a hypothetical scenario- if the Community Development fund was Gayle’s own hard earned money which had to be dedicated to developing Hyndburn, would she have considered the ‘Why I Live Here’ project as the most suitable investment for such a purpose?
Not rejecting the idea, simply wishing to find out more

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A question I ask myself every day. Should I get paid for it ?

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Like Willow, I initially thought that Gondola would be good for the forum, but I find it very hard to respect,or even take seriously, a man who seems to hold most of the members in contempt....and who seems to think he is vastly superior in intellect. Someone who poses questions and then does not let anyone on the forum have a chance to respond, instead answering them in the way that HE thinks fit.

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Personally, I think Gondola should pay a visit to the fish market and buy himself a piece of fresh fish......it will go nicely with the chips he seems to have on both shoulders.

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Do you believe everything you read in the press?

Do you?

You obviously do.

Thought so.:)

(I'm with Less, this new fashion for answering yout own question is cool.)

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I thought political scandles were supposed to be entertaining. This has not thus far been achieved :(

I don't even know whats going on. :/

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"Deep thought" gondola are you gonna tell this slobbering panting mob anything they don't already suspect.. and I say suspect because every single word you type is all common gossip.. these people are born and bred in Accrington! for gods sake don't confuse em even more... if whippet has got 3 legs .. tell em!

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:eek: & heres me thinking the EU have abolished flat cap wearing for the mo then:D

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Please accymel if you must post on this subject, can you please interject a little common sense into it, instead of short posting and sniping on a very serious subject that needs and will be aired, when the timing is at the pertinent stage. Take as much micky mouse brownie points off me you like. I could not care less.

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Eh:confused: i didnt realise Mancies post was actually serious, think theres a serious sence of humour bypass here:D

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I have no idea what mancie has posted, as I have neither time or the inclination to read all the rubbish posted on this subject save the ones that make 1 iota of common sense.;)

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The thing is Ianto, you have to read all the posts to see if they do actually contain anything of any value to the thread.

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:rofl38: nice one so u do have humour hehehehhehee:D

So u know nothing about the 3 legged whippets that could be the BIG CLAIM soon to be officially announced then:D

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and unfortunately (or fortunately -depending on your views) sometimes a touch of levity finds its way in........and that happens in most threads that have serious content...and to be honest I don't think it detracts. It would be very sad to bar people from a thread on a serious subject just because they held a 'lighter' view of the situation.

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Margaret please do not steal my moment of glory , as I was just emerging from a bout of chavs invisible DEPRESSION and was just beggining to enjoy myself. Furthermore I have been lumbered with my 'Lady Wife' as it is her night off, and she can drink for good old England.:D
PS at my expence.;)

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A little light relief in any thread that Gondola posts in, is much appreciated.

I don't know why you keep defending him. Everything he posts, and doesn't say, is about as cryptic as a crossword puzzle in the Beano.

Empty rhetoric.

Innuendo.

Gossip.

Hearsay.

Blah, blah, blah.

Yada, yada, yada.

Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwn.

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My good friend garinda, all will be revealed, but not on accyweb as this is a family friendly forum, started I believe by Roy who I personally would not seek to see harmed. When the time comes ,and I mighn't add the sooner the better, I will personally advise all interested parties, then you can draw your own conclusions. I have only been a member of this forum for a short while and can understand the frustrations with the lack or credible evidence to suuport the inuendoes, all I ask for is a little patience.

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Then why bother posting here at all?

Tedious isn't the word.

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They call it looking for directions gary.

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See another cryptic bit of nonsense.

How on earth is his postings here looking for direction? Particularly because he hasn't got the balls to go public with whatever it is, he claims to know.

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The man was looking for directions willow thats why, I hope I can now retire to my bed as this subject is becoming tedious. good night all.X

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Oh please answer the other thread before you retire, then I'll know whether to start looking through the Argos book for a gold clock.:D

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Reminds me a little of that member Jimmyjim, who joined here after writing a letter in the Observer, and started a thread called 'Our Town', which promised grandiose changes in the way we were going to live our lives, but which petered out to nothing.

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Maybe he's the 'several other members' that Gondola was referring to. ;)

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iantow, gondola and jimmyjim possible all the same person?:eek:

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I believe the party rules are after 6 months unpaid dues you forfeit your membership. You cannot be selected without being a member. I don't know if Safdar was in arrears but no-one has memntioned it to me. On that basis I can only presume he was fully paid up and a load of mishief makingis going on inside the Tory camp.

I don't tell lies, I may get things wrong, see things form a different angle but I don't tell deliberate lies. I have more interests and friends outside of politics to want to be tarnished with that brush. Politics is only a small (but at the moment significant) part of my life.

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If nothing is to be revealed on accyweb then why are we being subjected to this persons moronic drivel?

I whole heartedly agree, the sooner the better, but again I ask if he is not going to reveal it on accyweb why is he wasting our time?

Why are you going to advise and how are you going to choose who is an 'interested party?', Why not Gondola?

Patience like money is a rare commodity and I for one get annoyed when someone wastes mine unnecessarily, if you are 'the friend' that he pretends to have on accyweb and he has revealed all to you, then good luck to you, for the rest of us he is totally wasting space on a server, (which has to be paid for), that could be used by the rest of us for something far more entertaining and far less irritating than this.:mad:

Am I right? Who cares? I just want this tic to go away, it's like a zit that hasn't got a head, it can't think but it is a pain, of course I'm right!:D

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When you speak to people like John Reid and Harriet Harmen, it is very clear they want to ask questions and listen to what life is like in Hyndburn. We asked Harriet and Dr Reid to come and they accepted. Both of them had a high level of interest in what Hyndburn people thought. There was a lot of honesty about the Government's position now, particularly John Reid who pulled no punches and apologised sincerely for the last local elections with John Prescott, Patricia Hewitt and Charles Clarke.

The cyncial would also add, and probably with some truth, that Hyndburn is a marginal Council and that's whay they were here, but it is not always the case because ministers do go to places that are safe Tory or Labour as well.

Gondola is either a Tory, or an outsider. You sem very sharply focused on media led issues but if you where on the inside you would be picking away at much bigger issues (that are wrong) that rarely come across in the press.

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Siddique is seeking to be the next Mayor of Hyndburn. That would make a mockery of the very idea of having a Mayor to both serve and promote the interests of Hyndburn. Thus the fact that he may fail at the elections can be considered as killing two birds with one stone.

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Kazi has been an exceptionally poor Councillor in my view. I think you should make an effort to learn English. Dread to think what observers will think at the annual Mayors Golf Charity Day. I can see a sickie coming.

However the outcome of the elections may change things. 'Rumour' has it that Jean Lockwood has been promised it, Kazi has ben promised it and Tony Dobson has been promised it by PB.

The last 'unfortunate' resignation I can think of was Deakin which was before my time. Of course there has been Anne Scaife and Wyn Frankland since. Anne because she moved and Wyn openly condemned her Party as the reason for going.

There are always allegations about Councillors 'outside' activities but you don't expect me to comment without fact do you Gondola?

You won't catch me out Gondola no matter how hard you try as I tell what I believe to be the truth. I may be wrong or see things completely different, but that is a long way from deliberate deceitfulness.

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mind-LESS,

You wrote ''Patience like money is a rare commodity and I for one get annoyed when someone wastes mine unnecessarily''

In that case do not bother reading this thread. Why are you seeking to annoy yourself when you could be enjoyong the sunshine.

Let me answer that. Perhaps due to the fact that you enjoy this thread.
I on the other hand would find anything set up by you rather boring. Hence why I have never bothered to to check.

Incidentally, it is readily obvious that Ianto is one of the others who has access to similar information as I. Thus he insists it is not dross.

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...and the grants. It is the first I know of what you say. We are in opposition and it is not possible with the volume of decisions to check it all in detail. I will investigate. What number Blackburn Rd?

If you are saying many suspicious decisions are made then I agree. The Council is morally corrupt. What do you want me to do about it? I raise every issue but then you get the blue rinse brigade (masquerading as Joe Public) shouting 'work together' because they don't like faults being pointed out. I think I have raised all the major issues as best I can.

In the end - we the public - put this lot there and - we the public - can remove them but fail to do so every year. I can't do anything at all about that.

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Do not take it upon yourself to tell me what to do you imbecile, I have already stated that I read everything on site, the good the bad and the absolute tedious because, I care about the site.

You, I think only care about you and your very simplistic attempts at being the centre of attention.

If as Ianto has stated you will not be revealing any of your insider knowledge on site then get yourself off to a tap room somewhere and leave us in peace.
:rofl38:

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Councillor Jones,

Thank you for your comments. I agree that any mayor, or indeed Councillor should have a grasp of the English language. Otherwise he would not be in a position to serve those in his ward that are only fluent in English. The need for such a command of language is even greater due to the fact that he is Portfolio holder for Community Cohesion. How on earth can he even begin to integrate different communities when he does not speak the language of the majority. It is an absolute nonsense. I appreciate that it is not your remit to decide who serves in such posts, but if you felt sufficiently'interested' then surely you ought to have raised this issue before now and in a forum other than here. Perhaps a notice prior to the AGM's would have been appropriate with the backing of other councillors.

You are right that I don't expect you to comment on the activities of Councillors without evidence. Such a thesis would be absurd. But that is my very point. Councillor Jean Batlle and Myles have the evidence in relation to Siddique. they have simply not done anything about it. That is all set to change.

Ask them - will you then be able to tell me I am wrong? No, thought not.

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Mr Jones,

I know not the number off hand, save that it is an end terrace. I shall phone my source later today to obtain the same. I am sure that since former Councillor Sardar Ali had his details on the Councillors lists from a few years ago, you too would be able to get the number.

But these are trivial issues in relative terms. The conduct of others is a far more disgraceful affair. I shall consult others who have this information later today and see if it is possible to disclose it to you now. If so, I shall let you have it in the next day or two.

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Less as usual you are always right but you should be the last one to criticise anyone for wasting space, with the amount of space it takes to make one of your posts.:D

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Ah, yes, but who pays for the space I waste?

:cool:

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I can assure you Bazf, I am who I say I am, I am my OWN MAN, nobody but nobody tells me how, or what to do, they can ask me, and if it is within my power I will try my best to help, or do as they ask.

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That Less was a punch bellow the belt:p

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It would have been if it was aimed at you, I for one am grateful for your contribution both to accyweb and to Burnleyweb, and am looking forward to taking the punishment for it when the paint balling day arrives.:D

http://www.barcelonatours.net/subSec...ballmen001.jpg

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A sigh of relief permeates accross accyweb, I just wish I could take part, how much for a contract on rindy?:D

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I only know 2nd hand. He made some very racist comments whilst a Tory Councillor and was forced into resigning by all. Don't know how much of that is true so be a bit sceptical. Huncoat Ward 2001. Labour won the by-election.

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reading this thread with amazement ........how can someone (if its true) be elected to public office if they don't speak English, have English politics become so corrupt that voting districts/boundaries are gerrymandered to suit various ethnic populations ?

:confused: :confused:

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The question is why do they not speak English. The answer is how can that councillor represent ALL the members of their constituency if they do not.:confused:

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Good point Ian,but even an English person would have to be multi-lingual to represent ALL constituants:D :D Only joking mate:)

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If I lived in Pakistan, Hindustan,Afganistan,Turkishstan,Islamabadistan, I am quite sure STAN would expect me to speak STANS language. Unfortunatly for myself I have no need of STANS language as I have no mates called STAN.

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Just Accy Stan :D :D :D

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Well they did win a do, Rovers lost UNITED got what they desrved, how much overtime do the 'prima donnas' want, did you see that goal: Pass the sick bag Alice.:D

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Yeah watched the match obviously I was disappointed,but FC United won and are promoted to the Unibond league so I'm celebrating tonight:D

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Good on you, follow your heart and maybe you may not always attain your goals, at least you trod what you thought was the correct path.;)

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This has already been talked about

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=26113

so quite happy to disclose the amount as it was published in the Accrington Observer at the back end of last year and also published on here. No secrets.

The results of this project are an exhibition (at the Haworth Art Gallery in July) of the photos taken, a DVD of the interviews, a book and an event. The artist/interviewers and photographers visited 50 people from all different faith backgrounds (it was important that we spoke to minority faiths and atheists as well as what could be considered more mainstream faiths). Their views were then collated and the text for the book written, what struck the artist/interviewer was that despite different cultural backgrounds we all have the same fears, dreams, goals etc. He created a text that was the sound of all the voices singing in unison (sounds a bit arty farty so apologise for that one but at the end of the day it's an arts project, the exhibition and dvd are far more conventional).

In answer to the questions 'what will all this achieve' - well, apart from all the people that came to the event from various public bodies the Chief Exec of Hyndburn heard about this project before the event and requested a stack of invitations for Councillors and officers to attend the event - some did. Thus, the views of the people who participated were (and will be as the information gets circulated) heard by the right people, people who's job it is to be interested in this subject matter.

However, that wasn't the sole purpose, that was just an additional benefit. The purpose was to get people, who are not normally involved with this type of project, together in a project/room to see that people have more similarities than differences. It was a really positive experience.

The results of the project can be used as a promotion for this area as the majority of things that people said were positive.

As for the money, well yes, it's easy to say that it's a waste of money because it is a lot of money but I would definitely argue that it's not a waste (well of course, I'd argue that because my job depends on it :D ). From a personal perspective I believe that Hyndburn should get a slice of every pie that's going. Hyndburn has just managed to haul itself out of the bottom 50 most deprived areas in the country which sounds good but in fact means that the area will now lose out on a huge amount of additional funding.

By applying and often getting this type of funding it means that the area benefits in more ways than one - you have to consider how the money is actually spent to see the real benefit. Some people imagine that the money, once allocated, disappears into a black hole, but it actually goes into the local economy. Wherever possible I use local people for these things - obviously it's not always possible so sometimes they come from other areas of East Lancashire - it is very rare that I use someone from outside East Lancashire. So take for example the money spent on the entertainment at the event - two local musicians - they got £150 between them to perform. They will then do their shopping at a local shop, perhaps buy a pub in the local pub and then perhaps buy a shirt off the market - the pub that they spend the money in the benefits because they are able to pay the wages of another local person and so on and so on as the money circulates - who knows but the odds are that the majority of that money will be spent with the area which means that Hyndburn in general has benefit from the additional funding beyond the life of the project. That's just a small example so multiply that up to the majority of the spend for the project, plus the other £100k that I've brought into the area over the last year or so - when it comes into the area, it's not just for the project it's for the benefit of the whole area.

So finally, yes my job does depend on this so quite rightly I defend it - however, I do appreciate that some people don't always see the benefit or purpose of the projects because they only see a small part of the overall effect. I will not stop trying to bring money into this area and I don't expect everyone to like everything I do.

As for another point you keep bringing up Gondola about the Olympics - can you say how they are going to benefit Hyndburn? As far as I can see they are going to reduce the amount of funding that is available for this area and whether you agree with my projects, or anyone elses for that matter, surely you can see that it is better to get the money into Hyndburn rather than spend billions on a massive advertising stunt for London.

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Gayle,
Thank you for that. I perused the first page of the link attached but did not feel the need to scroll the rest. I gather from this page that the amount allocated to this project was £12000.
You suggest that this project served the purpose of connecting communities amongst other things. This is what the BME suggest, and so too do numerous other organisations set up for the same. All seem to gain funding for more or less the same reasons. Thus I would have expected that they would have made tangible progress in this regard by now.
Let us look at the facts. Unfortunately, the BNP are seeking to enter Hyndburn in political terms since they feel they have had sufficient support from residents of Hyndburn in their campaigns elsewhere. Thus there is a growing number of residents in Hyndburn who are obviously disgruntled and are using the protest vote. We also have to consider the rising racial tensions between rival race gangs as reported in the Observer the other week (teens clash or similar).
I do not seem to recall these tensions being as significant when there was little in terms of community cohesion projects years ago. This is not to suggest that such projects are the cause, but to consider the real possibility that these projects are doing little to offset the rising disharmony. Social dynamics may have changed and thus this may be a contributing factor to increased tension, but community projects in their current form do not seem to be the way forward. I have often repeated on these threads that it is a desire to integrate, from all segments of societies that will drive any change. Not DVD’s about why we enjoy living here. If people want to gain an insight to different cultures, then why does the ‘asian’ neighbour not have a cup of tea with the ‘white’ neighbour on a summers day in the back garden. Surely this would dispel a few myths, raise awareness of the different cultures and cost nothing. Or the idea I proposed the other day about bringing youngsters of different cultures together for a game of football in the park using mixed teams. Little cost, but substantial impact.
You write that ‘’surely you can see that it is better to get the money into Hyndburn rather than spend billions on a massive advertising stunt for London.’’
No, I simply cannot see the justification for squandering money on the basis that if it does not go to Hyndburn it will go elsewhere. The Olympics is a story that is an inspiration to budding sportsmen and women throughout the country including Hyndburn, a project that is set to transform an entire area, a project that will drive tourism to that area, a project that will create employment for those that wish to better their lives, a project that shall be a landmark site for Great Britain and be talked about for years to come.
I am sorry Gayle, but the same simply cannot be said about the ‘Why I Live Here’ project.
I can think of far better ways to spend £12000 to benefit the people of Hyndburn.

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Incidentally, I also note from your link that Ianto complained about not having received a renovations grant from the Council notwithstanding twenty years of effort. Perhaps Ianto ought to direct his frustration to Councillor Jones who agreed to investigate the same, mindful of the fact that former Councillor Sardar has had his property renovated several times by the award of a similar grant which included an extension and creating loft/attic rooms and the rest, all funded by the taxpayer.

The idea of preferential bias cannot be proved here (nor can it be established that it even exists) but unless it is dismissed by a reasoanble explanation then it may leave cynics speculating.

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Which goes back to the point about the funding sources - the Government allocates x number of pounds for community cohesion project, x number of pounds for arts projects, x number of pounds for sports projects, etc. The money can not be used for something outside of its remit. Therefore, although you can argue that £12k (actually £11,750 if we're being pedantic) could be spent better on roads or hospitals or old people - this is not the point of the argument. The money has to be spent on one type of project because that's what the Government (in this case, most often the lottery) has allocated it for - it can't be spent on anything else. Therefore, and I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the point about Hyndburn getting as much funding as possible - if the money has to be spent on community cohesion then I believe it should be spent propping up the Hyndburn economy rather than anywhere else - you disagree, fine.

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Well I cannot see how someone cannot understand that if a project is not generating the desired outcomes, then the money ought to be channelled elsewhere.

Which brings me to my previous assertion - that you cannot make someone understand something, when their job depends on not understanding it.

By the way, I gave you a few examples of set ups which were simply a farce. Do you have the courage to state the same and ensure that they do not get funding for the same purpose going forward, or shall you just turn a blind eye and suggest that at least it was given to an organisation in Hyndburn and thus that makes it worthwhile.

Finally, is it the case that fund raisers for 'community projects' and those on similar committees such as yourself, are incentivised on the basis that the person securing the funding gets 'x' per cent in addition to their salary? If so, then such persons clearly have a vested interest in ensuring the money is retained in Hyndburn rather than going to more plausible concerns elsewhere.

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This one did generate its outcomes - I can not speak for all projects.

Again, I can not speak for other projects. As far as I am concerned the projects that I have been involved in have achieved their goals and are benefiting the area. You may be right for all I know, I don't know everything about every community group and as you haven't actually specified any area where you feel there is a misuse of funds then I can't investigate. Give me facts.

No, but I wish it were, I'd be rich by now. (That's a joke by the way in case you don't get it). I do not make a penny out of getting funds for Hyndburn Mela or other community groups that I help. I am paid a small retainer by Hyndburn Women's Forum - this too has been discussed on this forum - I had a lengthy chat with Busman about it some time ago. Plus, if a community group comes to me and wants help with a funding bid then I will help them, gratis. If however, they want to run a project and want me to work for them and get the funding first, then yes I charge a fee for the work but not an incentive for getting the funding bid.

I have always been extremely open about the work that I do.

I can not answer for other people or other community groups, so again, if you have specifics tell me and I'll look into it for you.

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Excuse me, but I thought this thread was supposed to be about:-


If you want a get at Gayle and her work thread there are plenty on site that you can join in without such a large wander as this! :confused:

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Less clearly has failed to realise that many of the 'community cohesion' projects or organisations that operate as community or cultural centres, actually have councillors or potential councillors that are on the management committees or as employees.

Thus the issue is germane to this thread.

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As far as I am concerned I am not a Councillor - unless I did get elected in May and someone forgot to tell me! So, Less is quite right in asking why you're having a go at me on this thread when there are many, many other threads where people have a go at me. :D

I can state catagorically, that no one on any of the community groups that I work for actually benefits financially from them in any way shape or form (apart from where I stated earlier on).

And as for having councillors on the committee then yes, some community groups that I'm involved with do have councillors on them but they don't personally make any profit from being on the group. Cllr Brian Roberts also sits on the Hyndburn Mela committee but does not finanacially benefit in any way - however, it is beneficial to the group to have a Councillor sitting on the committee. In all fairness to Brian he has been very helpful in advising the group and in finding out information that we needed to know.

Again, I can not speak for groups with which I am not involved - I would like facts before commenting on them.

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Nothing so far has slipped by me, I can see where you are attempting to go, but Gayle isn't a Councillor, therefore as the title suggests could you stay with the councillors? If you wish to call Gayle and her projects there are plenty of threads already dedicated to this but your shallow attempts in previous posts to imply that she turns a blind eye to corruption for the sake of her own job is not only petty but an insult against a hard working, (if mis-directed:D) person.

No it isn't 'germane' to this thread, the thread is:-

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Brilliant! Funniest thing I've heard for a long time.

Graham, do you really think the likes of Harriet Harman and John Reid are genuinely interested Hyndburn? Are you just very gullible or are you attempting to pull the wool over the electorate's eyes?

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I still fail to see the connection to me. Would you care to answer this Gondola, or is this one of the occasions when you're going to change the subject or avoid the question?

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I think it is sad you're so cynical but I must say you do so with such vibrant blue and undisguised rinse.

John Reid was candid. That was my view. I didn't see you there but just in case I missed you hiding in the cupboard, could you tell me which words of Dr Reid's you disagreed with in 50 Abbey Street?

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I don't know about anyone else but thanks to this, 'I will reveal all the dirty goings on to do with our Councillors thread', which has been going on for over a fortnight, there is not a paper shredder to be purchased anywhere within the Hyndburn boundary, why?

The reason why is quite obvious, everyone from the top to the bottom at the council be they guilty of multi-million pound frauds or whether they just 'borrowed' a biro has been working deep into the night making sure that if the spit hits the fan there will not be a paper trail leading back to them.

But on the good side of this, all this over-time will have been voluntary, so gondola has managed to get rid of a very large paper mountain without a penny of it going on the Council Tax, for that reason if not for the fact that his almost 'witty remarks', have kept me entertained for all this time, i would like to nominate gondola as accywebs very own,

'Superhero'

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Don't think a blue rinse would suit my quiff, dear. However, I assume you've come over all metaphorical and that you're expounding the theory that everyone who mistrusts the government is a dyed-in-the-wool Tory. If that were true, old Matey Dave would be cracking open the bottles of champers right now. What you don't seem to appreciate is that cynicism about this deceitful administration which, amongst other things, lied to us in order to take us into an unnecessary and disastrous war stretches right across the political divide.

And yes, you're right I wasn't in the cupboard - I've better things to do with my time than listen to the weasel words of a third-rate politician grubbing for votes. Why, did I miss anything?

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Wynonie will stop it I spilt my tea reading your reply to 'junior Jones', he along with his vote catching mate should be on candid camera, I suggest a visit to 'specsavers 'is in order, the rose tinted variety.

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If only this were true, and HBC recycled it's waste, which it doesn't, at least some good could come of all this.

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I would make a good councillor for one of these wards don't you agree Garinda?;)

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I think you are sounding more and more like a politican.

I'm sure the Socialist Worker's Party will be very pleased to have you on board.:D

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Some good will come of this garinda, the very fact that we are discussing the subject, 'are Hyndburn Councillors fit for purpose',as Less stated shredding and sweeping will be going on at no expence to the public, but some things cannot be washed or papered over as they are beyond the control of the guilty parties, who have crossed one bridge to far.

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Not the party I had in mind.:p

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But we seem to be going round in ever decreasing cirlces discussing it, without naming any guilty party.

Maybe someone can tell me which candidate for election on May 3 has had their nomination papers signed by another Councillor, who claims to be of an Independent persuasion.

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Yes it is very frustrating claytonender, all I can suggest is that you make yourself known to gondola, and he may enlighten you, as you seem to be a reasonable chap.

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So we have to be in gondolas' 'club' to get him to open up to us do we?

Well I'm glad that I don't seem to be a 'reasonable' chap, we don't need a secret society associated with accyweb.



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Earlier I told him I loved him.

But alas, I'm still unenlightened.:D

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But you ARE a dyed in the wool Tory...

You can espouse your blue case, I don't mind that, but don't have more front than Blackpool and try to hide it. You make me laugh.

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You say it like being a Tory is a bad thing. Regardless of if he is or not, theres a wide spectrum of views on the Conservative party as with every other party, so trying to say hes tory because he disagrees with certain Labour policy isnt quite right..

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I'm sure Wynonnie will speak for himself, but from reading his past posts he's a disillusioned ex-Labour supporter, not a Tory.

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What needs to addressed are the changes to the workings of the commitees within HBC, which PD has implemented. Does anyone know how to get into the complete minutes of full council meetings and cabinet meetings.

Also, I think it might be possible to send a letter to the Mayor, to be read out before a council meeting stating what you are questoning about the correct runiing of HBC by the current controlling group. The controlling group (PB - the dicator and his co-horts), only have a majority of 1, there are currently 16 Labour Councillors, 18 Conservative Councillors and 1 Indpendent (who is so Independent that he has signed the nomination papers of a Conservative Candidate). It makes one wonder how they would behave if they had an overwhelming majority.
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