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lancsdave 30-03-2007 21:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405518)
Gayle,

I am restricted in what I am able to do.
Interesting comment.

How about one of the following reasons;

An employee of Hyndburn Council

A sitting councillor ( although without reading back through the thread I think you ruled that one out)

A prospective candidate in a future election, local or national ?

PB himself :D

Gayle 30-03-2007 21:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405518)
Gayle,

You decided to run for the position of Councillor once. Now, had you been elected, what would you have done about this matter?

Well, let me put it this way. There is nothing stopping you from doing the same without being a Councillor. I am restricted in what I am able to do. It is not out of a sense of complacency.
You seem to be making the assumption that I'm doing nothing at the moment.

However, I too am restricted in some ways.

claytonender 30-03-2007 21:50
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If it is PB he is getting someone else to write his speeches for him.

Less 30-03-2007 21:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 405517)
Accymel,

Look here. What on earth is your point.
Have you not noticed all the way through, that is what you have been asked?
You claim to know, but you divulge nothing, you annoy, but you do not put any salve on the wound by answering either your own or other peoples questions. As has been mentioned before, Ianto is the only one that has consistently repeated the questions relevant to this post and you even ignore him most of the time!

We, and so far as you are concerned me, I am just fed up with you stirring in a pool that already has brought itself to public notice but you do nothing else even though you started this thread there is nothing that is worthwhile, you add, nothing, you reveal, nothing, in fact you do, nothing that is of use to the rest of us, this may be because your world is perfect and the rest of us are too stupid to know what it's like, but hey, slow down, we are the ones that live in the real world and it ain't perfect but we do at least have lives.

Bazf 30-03-2007 22:01
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So far this rather irritating little man has managed to insult nearly everybody on this thread, nay this board. I have come to some conclusions..
1. He was bullied at school and now can hide behind a secret identity and feel superior to everyone on here.
2, He was never picked for a team, unless it was to go in goal. (the fat kid, the kid with glasses)
3. As he never actually answers any questions, even to the ones he poses, he is obviously not in the know as he claims.
4. He pretends to be interllectually adroit, but makes simple mistakes, ie American spellings, from maybe, dictionary.com or something similar.
5. The stone he crawled from under is full of little men with chips on their shoulders and an inferiority complex. The way he attacks the women on this thread is proof of his inadequateness.

Less 30-03-2007 22:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bazf (Post 405530)
So far this rather irritating little man has managed to insult nearly everybody on this thread, nay this board. I have come to some conclusions..
1. He was bullied at school and now can hide behind a secret identity and feel superior to everyone on here.
2, He was never picked for a team, unless it was to go in goal. (the fat kid, the kid with glasses)
3. As he never actually answers any questions, even to the ones he poses, he is obviously not in the know as he claims.
4. He pretends to be interllectually adroit, but makes simple mistakes, ie American spellings, from maybe, dictionary.com or something similar.
5. The stone he crawled from under is full of little men with chips on their shoulders and an inferiority complex. The way he attacks the women on this thread is proof of his inadequateness.
Yes, I admit it, it's me.:D

Bazf 30-03-2007 22:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Less (Post 405532)
Yes, I admit it, it's me.:D
Blast thats my theory out of the window, I always thought you were Garinda. :eek:

Gayle 30-03-2007 22:23
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No, that's me. :D

Mancie 30-03-2007 22:29
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Stop Press from Reuters News:... the Scaitcliffe House "mole" has been identified !!





http://eu2.inmagine.com/img/image100/10048/10048064.jpg

:D :D

Less 30-03-2007 22:32
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Daddy where you been?

http://eu2.inmagine.com/img/image100/10048/10048064.jpg

Neil 31-03-2007 05:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 405505)
So the answer to the question that this thread posed is - the majority are not fit for purpose....with the exception of Clare Pritchard who stood up to the main body of the committee.
No disrespect to Clare but we are judging her on this one issue. She might be as bad as the rest on other matters, she might not be of course. I for one hope she treats all her duties in the same manner as she treated this.

Margaret Pilkington 31-03-2007 09:44
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No Neil.... in the context of the thread, which overlaps the one about the taxi driver(s).......Clare Pritchard was the only one who showed any common sense/judgement.......so, in that context she does prove fit for purpose.

Acrylic-bob 31-03-2007 13:45
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This has gone on longer than "The Moustrap", or does it just feel like it has? Anyway, what have we learned?

That HBC is peopled with councillors of all flavours who are in positions for which they are not sufficiently intellectually, morally or ethically equipped.

Which is nothing strange.

That several councilors of an Asian persuasion exhibit a degree of partiality that would, were it to occur anywhere else, attract accusations of favoritism and possibly dishonesty and might also attract the attentions of the constabulary.

Which, it must be said, is nothing new.

That we have a leader of the council who is such a stranger to the truth that he feels absolutely no compunction in offering an investigation knowing that he can always gerrymander the outcome if it does not suit his purposes.

Which is neither strange nor new.

After having lived with the excesses practised by Nigel D. Macgregor, George Slynn and Brian - sorry Nigel Rix, nothing that this bunch of fools does surprises me anymore. True there are one or two shining lights on HBC, there always have been, but they are usually snuffed out in a year or two, buried by the dead hand of procedure and, to borrow a phrase, "Old Spanish Customs".

I applaud the suggestion that the more public spirited among us gather together a petition to press for a more open investigation, however naive that may be. Nothing will come of such a course of action because it is not in any member of HBC's interest to allow anything to come of it. Because once you let the sh*t hit the fan, there is no telling where it will land and the smell attracts attention to all sorts of things that perhaps some would prefer to remain unnoticed.

Gondola's posts have been diverting and they have certainly served to wake a few of us up. But, when you look closely at what has been said, you find that there is very little meat on the bones that he has graciously cast our way. I appreciate that for an employee of HBC it can be difficult to be as open as one would like, but there are ways of blowing the whistle, if that is gondola's intention, that would not lead to his identification. For example, if I wished to quote scripture at someone, but could not be bothered with remembering the quote verbatim, merely mentioning the chapter and verse where the full passage could be found would more than adequately suffice. If gondola whishes us to know in detail the sins and shortcomings of the town's Fathers and their paid lackeys then might it not be better to tell us where to look so that we may uncover the dread truth for ourselves?

That way he keeps his hands clean and lives to whistle another day.

claytonender 31-03-2007 16:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 405565)
No disrespect to Clare but we are judging her on this one issue. She might be as bad as the rest on other matters, she might not be of course. I for one hope she treats all her duties in the same manner as she treated this.
As someone who knows Clare very well, I say, in all honesty that Clare is an extremely hard working and dedicated councillor, who treats all her duties in the same manner she treated the taxi licensening commmitee.

Before I am accused of any political bias, there are other councillors from both Tory and Labour, who are also hard working and dedicated.

Neil 31-03-2007 17:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 405837)
As someone who knows Clare very well, I say, in all honesty that Clare is an extremely hard working and dedicated councillor, who treats all her duties in the same manner she treated the taxi licensening commmitee.
I am glad to hear that. I meant that I personally can't comment on her overall performance from just this one incident. She does look promising though.

Ianto.W. 31-03-2007 22:59
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I have read all these posts on this thread without forming an opinion either way, one thing that is blatantly obvious is that councillors of the mettle of Clare Prichard, will have to face the wrath of their double dealing 'superiors', I can only hope it does not deter her from being as sensible, and single minded enough,as she has shown in the past to make her own mind up, and vote accordingly.

gondola 02-04-2007 15:55
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I think it high time that someone pressed the 'Cabintet Action Group' to allow impartial members to review past cases as suggested by Cllr G Jones recently. In this way readers can ascertain whether or not there have been blunders in the past. To quote Cllr Jones, there are 'other skeletons in the cupboard'.

So come on Councillor Pritchard, champion the cause so far as regards reviewing cases of the past.

Incidentally, I note from the minutes of the meeting of the 19th, there was at least one case in which a decision to revoke was made. Can Councillor Pritichard elaborate as to whether or not she considered the mitigation in that matter more serious than the one in which the decision was taken to reinstate? This will allow readers to make a comparative judgement on this issue.

gondola 02-04-2007 16:01
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Since Councillor Jones has failed to elucidate on the issue of which members of the Cabinet resigned certain positions as part of their portfolio responsibilities , perhaps Councillor Pritchard can comment on the same?.

More importantly why did they see fit to vacate such positions?

g jones 02-04-2007 16:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 406328)
Since Councillor Jones has failed to elucidate on the issue of which members of the Cabinet resigned certain positions as part of their portfolio responsibilities , perhaps Councillor Pritchard can comment on the same?.

More importantly why did they see fit to vacate such positions?
It's being dealt with. We need substitutions (who have had training!). There is only one meeting to go (I believe) before May 3rd when everything will be reshuffled whatever the outcome.

There are a lot of things that need to come out. I have a list. If on May 4th we (lab) are making the decisions then over the following 12 months several reviews wil take place as to how, what, why. Regen, Town Centres, Leisure, Finances, Licensing, Planning are on the list.

gondola 02-04-2007 16:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by g jones (Post 406336)
It's being dealt with. We need substitutions (who have had training!). There is only one meeting to go (I believe) before May 3rd when everything will be reshuffled whatever the outcome.

There are a lot of things that need to come out. I have a list. If on May 4th we (lab) are making the decisions then over the following 12 months several reviews wil take place as to how, what, why. Regen, Leisure, Finances, Licensing, Planning are on the list.

In the event that Labour do win, I'll hold you to that. My understanding is that it is only one ward that swings it in favour of the Conservatives, and thus if Siddique was to lose (an outcome that is highly desirable) then that may be sufficient to ensure that investigations to which you refer are undertaken.

Rest assured there is plenty that you will have to deal with. I shall personally make sure of that.

gondola 02-04-2007 16:51
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Incidentally, for those who think I am concocting the whole thing up, I and others have made available to a few people from these forums the details of what I allude to. Thus there is plenty of meat on the bones so to speak.

These individuals have agreed to preserve anonymity and confidentiality unless or until all parties concerned feel it right and proper to disclose such material.

Like a toothache, this issue will not go away.

flashy 02-04-2007 16:57
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like toothache the issue will not go away?


will you ever go away?

g78 02-04-2007 16:57
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So is anyone willing or brave enough to admit that they have been given the 'details' of what gondola is alluding too? You don't have to say what it is, just confirm that there is some substance behind his words so we all know he isn't just making things up.

Acrylic-bob 02-04-2007 17:21
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I have a recieved a pm from "gondola", not sure what to make of it though.

accymel 02-04-2007 17:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 406345)
I have a recieved a pm from "gondola", not sure what to make of it though.
So is it worth the fuss he's making or not:confused:

Less 02-04-2007 17:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by g78 (Post 406341)
So is anyone willing or brave enough to admit that they have been given the 'details' of what gondola is alluding too? You don't have to say what it is, just confirm that there is some substance behind his words so we all know he isn't just making things up.
I am happy to say I have had no communication from him, if I had I think you would know about it. :)

gondola 02-04-2007 18:15
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For the avoidance of doubt, I have not divulged any information to Acrylic Bob, though he is right in that I did send a PM to him.

Those to whom I have sent the information strike me as having sufficient moral fibre not to breach the informal agreement not to repeat the content.
Incidentally, this information was not exchanged on accyweb. Amongst other things, the telephone and face to face meeting also exist.

panther 02-04-2007 18:23
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1 Attachment(s)
look youve bored me to death............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Attachment 8766:(

gondola 02-04-2007 18:35
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A simple step by step guide to those who repeat banal lines such as ‘’ this thread leaves me bored’’
1) If you are bored, go and view another thread that does not leave you bored. It is a simple concept called choice
2) You obviously cannot justify a complaint of ‘this is the most boring thread’ unless it is the first time you have visited it. The fact that readers return and read this suggests it must generate some interest for them.
3) Surely those suggesting such poppycock must be bored, but not due to the contents of this thread. If they are bored then surely they can find the time to do something more interesting, such as
a) read another thread
b) create their own thread
c) do some gardening
d) have a hot cup of soup, and so on.
Having watched big brother for a moment several years ago, it left me bored. Thus I have never felt the urge to watch it again. However, if I was glued to it and get phoning in to cast votes for the contestants, it would be remarkably rich of me to then state that the show leaves me bored.
Double standards are the hallmark of some on here. Such standards leave me bored.

panther 02-04-2007 18:39
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:Banane20: :rofl38:touchy!!!!



why does gondola keep logging off???

Less 02-04-2007 19:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 406372)
A simple step by step guide to those who repeat banal lines such as ‘’ this thread leaves me bored’’
Just give us the facts, if you have any, put up or shut up! We don't need you to drag it out.:mad:

gondola 02-04-2007 19:15
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less,

Close the door on your way out.

Less 02-04-2007 19:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 406381)
less,

Close the door on your way out.

I don't think you are in any position to tell anyone what to do, treat the site and it's members a little better and you may find some surprising results, until then, I suggest you leave until you can behave.:mad:

gondola 02-04-2007 19:24
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Less,

I think you would benefit from taking your own advice. It was you that directed abuse at me. Read your post again, since you seem to be suffering from a bout of amnesia.

Less 02-04-2007 19:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 406386)
Less,

I think you would benefit from taking your own advice. It was you that directed abuse at me. Read your post again, since you seem to be suffering from a bout of amnesia.
If you check the only other thread you seem to bother with, it is you that started by being abusive to accyweb members, so please remain on your high horse just ride it out of town.
http://www.worth1000.com/entries/119...9101EKMJ_w.jpg

g78 02-04-2007 19:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 406365)
For the avoidance of doubt, I have not divulged any information to Acrylic Bob, though he is right in that I did send a PM to him.

Those to whom I have sent the information strike me as having sufficient moral fibre not to breach the informal agreement not to repeat the content.
Incidentally, this information was not exchanged on accyweb. Amongst other things, the telephone and face to face meeting also exist.
Yep they do exist. But if you had someone else to actually support and back you up, then your posts may have a bit more credability.
As I said before, I am not bothered about the person telling me actual details - just someone to state you are genuine and that you really do have something to say (even though you aren't actually saying it).

For all I know you may well be 100% genuine, and if you are then thats fine and I wish you all the best, but so far I haven't seen anything to prove this.

garinda 02-04-2007 22:21
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I'm still waiting to hear why our own over inflated ego that is Linda Lovelace, oops, meant Deepthroat, thought I'd been banned from the site?


As for people complaining of being bored, if your act of self importance, was being played out at the Glasgow Empire, instead of dear old Accy Web, you'd have been pelted with enough fruit and veg by now to open a stall on the market.

Do try a little harder to keep us interested, or I'll start handing out little mirrors to check if everyone's still breathing.

Thread rating so far-
started well, but peters out towards the middle. 3/10.

Ianto.W. 03-04-2007 00:25
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Quote:
garinda, I'm still waiting to hear why our own over inflated ego that is Linda Lovelace, oops, meant Deepthroat, thought I'd been banned from the site?
I must admit garinda I was confused about that, I arrived on the site after this happened, and am still confused, was it something to do with a fashion show at the Town Hall?, and as I know not the site you were excluded from. Without wanting to make the thread wander to much, as I think gondola has the wrong end of the stick on this.

Gayle 03-04-2007 08:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 406429)
I'm still waiting to hear why our own over inflated ego that is Linda Lovelace, oops, meant Deepthroat, thought I'd been banned from the site?


As for people complaining of being bored, if your act of self importance, was being played out at the Glasgow Empire, instead of dear old Accy Web, you'd have been pelted with enough fruit and veg by now to open a stall on the market.

Do try a little harder to keep us interested, or I'll start handing out little mirrors to check if everyone's still breathing.

Thread rating so far-
started well, but peters out towards the middle. 3/10.
I think he was trying to say that you were banned from the event, not from the site but as I've almost lost the will to live I can't be sure. :D

Tealeaf 03-04-2007 13:34
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Yo!!!!!!!!!! This is lovely stuff! Accy has it's very own "Deep Throat". When do the camera's move in?

mthead 03-04-2007 14:31
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Oh what a happy and jovial thread :D Someone pass me a 'cut throat' razor for my wrists :D

Margaret Pilkington 03-04-2007 14:58
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OK.......Just don't bleed on the best bit of brussels (carpet).

mthead 03-04-2007 15:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 406617)
OK.......Just don't bleed on the best bit of brussels (carpet).
LOL:) Good job you put carpet in brackets otherwise I'd have been trying to avoid your vegetables Margaret:o :D

Margaret Pilkington 03-04-2007 17:28
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I thought that you might....don't know why carpet was known as Brussels in our house.

gondola 03-04-2007 21:00
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Originally Posted by Ianto.W. http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/i...s/viewpost.gif
In my opinion gondola needs no lessons in social skills, as they are coming out of his ears, can you not for one moment think why not one of our so called esteemed councillors has even dared to contribute to this thread, if I am wrong I will stand corrected. please my fellow members put your prejudices to one side. Forget the basic mistakes gondola has made. IE. pond life, etc, these are basic mistakes that deep thinking people make. This man has a lot to offer you, if you will not seek to judge him to harshly. IAN.


Ianto is indeed right. Why is it that not one of the councillors that appear on these threads has even attempted to question the fact that I may be even slightly wrong. In fact Councillor Jones admitted to me that I had a better awareness than he of what had actually taken place in relation to the selection of Mr Safdar and matters that took place thereafter.

I jest not. The facts on the other thread, and those here are compelling. If readers have the interests of Hyndburn at stake, then reject them at your peril.

So come on councillors of Hyndburn, tell me I am wrong. Tell me that the internal selection process this year at the Labour Party was not flawed in terms of having a candidate nominated even though they considered him as having no integrity. Tell me that nobody resigned from any positions as part of their cabinet portfolios in dubious circumstances in recent years. Tell me there are no more skeletons in the cupboard. Tell me that it is right to have a Councillor on the Safety and Well being committee that thinks it is safe for convicted persons to be granted access to vulnerable members of society.
Can they? No, thought not.

accymel 03-04-2007 21:04
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MMmmmm GROUNDHOG gondy POSTING in accyweb are u allowed to cross post one thread to another especially unassociated other than the poster in no 345 has done in full rather than link:confused:

Gayle 03-04-2007 21:05
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Perhaps there's an echo in here Accymel

accymel 03-04-2007 21:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 406757)
Perhaps there's an echo in here Accymel
:rofl38: the accoustics in here are awful then hehehehehehe:D

gondola 03-04-2007 21:21
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''You can never make someone understand something, when their job depends on not understanding it''.

This certainly applies to those like Gayle who seek to skew things away from the actual facts that stare them directly in the face.

gondola 03-04-2007 21:22
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Now for those that are not mature enough to engage in enlightened discussion on here and wish to resort to childish antics, please can you head back to the school playground.

accymel 03-04-2007 21:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 406766)
Now for those that are not mature enough to engage in enlightened discussion on here and wish to resort to childish antics, please can you head back to the school playground.
Well heed your own advice then !!!!!

gondola 03-04-2007 21:24
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I think it was Churchill that once wrote:

Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.

How appropriate to this thread.

accymel 03-04-2007 21:25
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Oh pleassse ....bring back MH:D :rofl38:

Gayle 03-04-2007 21:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 406764)
''You can never make someone understand something, when their job depends on not understanding it''.

This certainly applies to those like Gayle who seek to skew things away from the actual facts that stare them directly in the face.

How exactly have I 'skewed' things and why would I want to do that?

gondola 03-04-2007 21:28
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Gayle,

I have had a comprehensive discussion with you on these issues. I don't think there is any point in labouring the issue here again.

accymel 03-04-2007 21:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 406770)
How exactly have I 'skewed' things and why would I want to do that?
Dont worry Gayle you wont get a direct straight answer :rolleyes:

Gayle 03-04-2007 21:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola

Gayle,

I have had a comprehensive discussion with you on these issues. I don't think there is any point in labouring the issue here again.
So now you're refusing to talk to me - well that's mature!

As far as I'm concerned we have not had a comprehensive discussion - I have repeatedly asked you to explain your insinuations and the reasons for your questions and you have failed to do so.

Now you have come out with a veiled accusation that I am hiding the truth because my job depends on it. I think I have every right to have an explanation of your insinuations that I have skewed things on here - what exactly have I skewed?

gondola 03-04-2007 21:39
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There are only two ways of telling the complete truth - anonymously and posthumously.

Hence my current stance.

Gayle 03-04-2007 21:43
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Well in that case either pm me with your accusations and I will try to address them personally or stop making these insinuations. I would like to know what you believe I am hiding - when I think you'll find from my many 1,000s of posts on this forum that I am nothing, if not open about things that I do.

As it happens you are anonymous on here, whereas I am not, so why do you actually have a problem with posting anything of substance?

lancsdave 03-04-2007 21:46
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 406777)
As it happens you are anonymous on here, whereas I am not, so why do you actually have a problem with posting anything of substance?
Your'e not playing the game properly Gayle. When you ask a question you are supposed to answer it yourself straight away aren't you ? No, thought not :D :D

accymel 03-04-2007 21:49
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 406775)
There are only two ways of telling the complete truth - anonymously and posthumously.
You wouldnt know the meaning of that if it rammed itself up your bum orrifice!!! Mr Mystery!

So come on ..... honesty & all that ....who are you???? & what do u want with accyweb ??

Gayle 03-04-2007 21:52
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 406779)
Your'e not playing the game properly Gayle. When you ask a question you are supposed to answer it yourself straight away aren't you ? No, thought not :D :D
Ah, you see that's where I went wrong, I didn't realise it was a game! Would anyone care to explain the rules to me? No I thought not! :D

Btw Gondola, that is not me attempting to skew the direction of the thread in any way, it is simply Lancsdave and I have a light hearted aside.

Bazf 04-04-2007 00:03
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Quote:
A simple step by step guide to those who repeat banal lines such as ‘’ this thread leaves me bored’’
1) If you are bored, go and view another thread that does not leave you bored. It is a simple concept called choice
2) You obviously cannot justify a complaint of ‘this is the most boring thread’ unless it is the first time you have visited it. The fact that readers return and read this suggests it must generate some interest for them.
3) Surely those suggesting such poppycock must be bored, but not due to the contents of this thread. If they are bored then surely they can find the time to do something more interesting, such as
a) read another thread
b) create their own thread
c) do some gardening
d) have a hot cup of soup, and so on.
Having watched big brother for a moment several years ago, it left me bored. Thus I have never felt the urge to watch it again. However, if I was glued to it and get phoning in to cast votes for the contestants, it would be remarkably rich of me to then state that the show leaves me bored.
Double standards are the hallmark of some on here. Such standards leave me bored.


:signthis: :signthis: :signthis: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38:
What a pretentious little ...... (add any word that sums up your opinion of the weasel)

1. Simply concept called sod off
2. Just waiting for you to actually tell the truth and mention something of intrest instead of beating about the bush.
3. Read all the threads, created more then you :p no time, on here waiting for you to actually tell us something.
4.double standards, you mean like, I am going to let the cat out of the bag....................... Well I'm not really I'm going to just keep pretending I am. That sort of double standard?
oh yeah, Hallmark make cards.

Margaret Pilkington 04-04-2007 09:05
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The way gondola talks round in circles makes me suspect he IS a politician.....he can waffle for The Olympics....and say nothing concrete. It is all smoke and mirrors. More turns than a corkscrew.

Margaret Pilkington 04-04-2007 12:39
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Ianto asks us to put our prejudices aside.......and tells us that Gondola made a few BASIC mistakes. I take issue with this..... a basic mistake is to post in a wrong thread....or to perhaps 'thread wander'(something that we all do from time to time - like now, perhaps).....and I have to say that accyweb members are very patient and tolerant when new members transgress in such a way.
I don't consider insults and rudeness to be basic mistakes......after all courtesy costs nothing.....and courtesy is a social skill and considered a sign of maturity. Take your own conclusions from this.

accymel 04-04-2007 12:48
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True Margaret even thro this Ianto tried to give him the benefit of the doubt & yet he threw it back in Ianto's face & duplicated it in more than one thread, just says it all of the type of person he actually is:rolleyes:

Ianto.W. 04-04-2007 12:52
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 406873)
Ianto asks us to put our prejudices aside.......and tells us that Gondola made a few BASIC mistakes. I take issue with this..... a basic mistake is to post in a wrong thread....or to perhaps 'thread wander'(something that we all do from time to time - like now, perhaps).....and I have to say that accyweb members are very patient and tolerant when new members transgress in such a way.
I don't consider insults and rudeness to be basic mistakes......after all courtesy costs nothing.....and courtesy is a social skill and considered a sign of maturity. Take your own conclusions from this.
your 100% right Margaret, I would like to think that my post as you refer to would, or will solicit an apology from him, as in my opinion the members are entiled to expect, I think he will eventually get round to the point he wants to make, but can't it seems to me do it yet for reasons known only to himself.

mthead 04-04-2007 13:06
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by accymel (Post 406781)
You wouldnt know the meaning of that if it rammed itself up your bum orrifice!!! Mr Mystery!

So come on ..... honesty & all that ....who are you???? & what do u want with accyweb ??
Come on Mel there is only one'MR MYSTERY' ;)

Margaret Pilkington 04-04-2007 13:08
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at the risk of offending other members I am going to use a phrase my dear old dad would have used in similar circumstances, and exhort Gondola to 'either crap, or vacate the pot'......not very ladylike, I know.....but short and to the point.

accymel 04-04-2007 13:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mthead (Post 406883)
Come on Mel there is only one'MR MYSTERY' ;)
:rofl38: MT i think theres stiff competition going on mind u FC's mystery is no way as mysterious as Gondys:D

accymel 04-04-2007 13:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 406884)
at the risk of offending other members I am going to use a phrase my dear old dad would have used in similar circumstances, and exhort Gondola to 'either crap, or vacate the pot'......not very ladylike, I know.....but short and to the point.
:rofl38: Margaret its a hell of lot more ladylike than my version hehehehe:D

mthead 04-04-2007 13:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by accymel (Post 406885)
:rofl38: MT i think theres stiff competition going on mind u FC's mystery is no way as mysterious as Gondys:D
Nooooo,I was talking 'Quizgate'and yours truly:D :D :D

accymel 04-04-2007 13:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mthead (Post 406889)
Nooooo,I was talking 'Quizgate'and yours truly:D :D :D
:rofl38: pmsl oh i forgot about that too...blimey there was some dodgey folk on there hehehehehehe least the truth came out...unlike this threads case lol:D

Ianto.W. 04-04-2007 13:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 406884)
at the risk of offending other members I am going to use a phrase my dear old dad would have used in similar circumstances, and exhort Gondola to 'either crap, or vacate the pot'......not very ladylike, I know.....but short and to the point.
Now that was what I call a good post can't type for laughing.:D:D:D

Margaret Pilkington 04-04-2007 13:21
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Glad you like it and you don't find it offensive. :)

Ianto.W. 04-04-2007 13:30
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 406894)
Glad you like it and you don't find it offensive. :)
Not one iota Margaret, this thread was getting far to serious I thought about going to the pub once, a sense of humour is becoming a rare 'commodity' if you'll pardon the pun.:D

norwich stanley 04-04-2007 15:10
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by accymel (Post 406769)
Oh pleassse ....bring back MH:D :rofl38:
You might regret writing that-He "visited" yesterday.

accymel 04-04-2007 15:24
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by norwich stanley (Post 406924)
You might regret writing that-He "visited" yesterday.

:rofl38: aye i think he's missing me :whip:

lindsay ormerod 04-04-2007 18:47
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
Having lost the will to live about 8 pages ago I happened to notice that Gondola is an anagram of " long ado " !!!

Wynonie Harris 04-04-2007 19:08
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 406989)
" long ado " !!!
...about nothing, to paraphrase old Will!

panther 05-04-2007 10:22
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
i take it this is the last post???.....................:D

Ianto.W. 05-04-2007 10:46
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
Somehow I doubt if we have even scratched the surface, on this 'fit for purpose' subject, what I have noticed there is an absence of response from those it was directed at. I wonder if PB has been dishing 'sticky tape' out?

claytonender 05-04-2007 17:29
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 407144)
Somehow I doubt if we have even scratched the surface, on this 'fit for purpose' subject, what I have noticed there is an absence of response from those it was directed at. I wonder if PB has been dishing 'sticky tape' out?
Well hopefully we can 'name and shame' an councillors concerned, even PB can not silence the all of Hyndburn. I know he will try but I think that is beyond the reach of his evil empire.

WillowTheWhisp 05-04-2007 20:14
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 406775)
There are only two ways of telling the complete truth - anonymously and posthumously.

Hence my current stance.
Which is, apparently, doing neither. :rolleyes:

Gayle 05-04-2007 20:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 406774)
So now you're refusing to talk to me - well that's mature!

As far as I'm concerned we have not had a comprehensive discussion - I have repeatedly asked you to explain your insinuations and the reasons for your questions and you have failed to do so.

Now you have come out with a veiled accusation that I am hiding the truth because my job depends on it. I think I have every right to have an explanation of your insinuations that I have skewed things on here - what exactly have I skewed?
You'll all be shocked (not) to know that Gondola has not yet pm'd me or explained himself. :D Still looking forward to hearing from you.

Margaret Pilkington 05-04-2007 20:37
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well, knock me down with a feather...I would never have guessed it Gayle!

If Gondola isn't already in office...then maybe he should put up in the local elections. He seems to have all the answers and is more than able to answer his own questions. (why does that irritate the proverbial out of me -?????)

lancsdave 05-04-2007 20:50
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 407341)
If Gondola isn't already in office...then maybe he should put up in the local elections.
You might get offered a lift to the polling station


http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:...s/Gondola2.jpg

Ianto.W. 05-04-2007 21:38
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 407338)
You'll all be shocked (not) to know that Gondola has not yet pm'd me or explained himself. :D Still looking forward to hearing from you.
Why don't you pm gondola Gale if you'r so curious? You just mighn't get the answer your seeking, you have nothing to loose.

Gayle 05-04-2007 21:45
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I pm'd him last week after he'd asked for my email address - after I persisted because he wouldn't reply to me he eventually replied saying that he had considered sharing information with me but had decided against it in the end.

That was before he made the insinuations about me which he has refused to explain. So now we're back to square one and he's ignoring me again. I don't think it's worth me pm'ing him again on this new issue as he is well aware that I am waiting for his response.

WillowTheWhisp 05-04-2007 22:40
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He claims to have made all sorts of revelations but hasn't actually said anything at all. He must be a politician!

Ianto.W. 06-04-2007 00:15
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 407361)
I pm'd him last week after he'd asked for my email address - after I persisted because he wouldn't reply to me he eventually replied saying that he had considered sharing information with me but had decided against it in the end.

That was before he made the insinuations about me which he has refused to explain. So now we're back to square one and he's ignoring me again. I don't think it's worth me pm'ing him again on this new issue as he is well aware that I am waiting for his response.
I was not to know that Gayle my apologies, reading between the lines from the outside looking in methinks this new thread may be the nub of the subject, IE phoney benefit claims by certain people swept under the carpet in the name of political expediency, but then again this is only a calculated guess.

Ianto.W. 06-04-2007 01:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 407296)
Well hopefully we can 'name and shame' an councillors concerned, even PB can not silence the all of Hyndburn. I know he will try but I think that is beyond the reach of his evil empire.
I think he's already been named claytonender, but shaming him is another rather difficult matter.

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2007 09:21
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 407345)
You might get offered a lift to the polling station


http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:...s/Gondola2.jpg
I never take lifts from strangers.:)

gondola 06-04-2007 09:55
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 407361)
I pm'd him last week after he'd asked for my email address - after I persisted because he wouldn't reply to me he eventually replied saying that he had considered sharing information with me but had decided against it in the end.

That was before he made the insinuations about me which he has refused to explain. So now we're back to square one and he's ignoring me again. I don't think it's worth me pm'ing him again on this new issue as he is well aware that I am waiting for his response.
Gayle,
I think it was you that suggested to me it was bad forum etiquette to disclose the content of private messages. Yet, in your post you have done exactly that!
Since you have skewed the facts yet again, I feel it an opportune moment to set your post in context. You did not decide to send me a private message after a request for your email. That was later. In fact it was you that decided to send me a private message first, on the 24th of March, and did say as follows:
‘’Thing is that you've got so much of interest to add to this site that I'd hate for you to disappear ….. you obviously have inside information that we'd all love to debate so please stick around.’’
I responded thereafter. There are several others that have sent me private messages, but as someone of impeccable moral rectitude I would rather be hung, drawn and quartered from the Tower of London than disclose the content. You obviously have a different sense of ethics. I suspect you think it is a place near London.
I repeat my earlier assertion that ''You can never make someone understand something, when their job depends on not understanding it''.

It is my considered view that you are not keen to expose the real state of affairs that exist since it would serve to debase your role in the ‘community’

lancsdave 06-04-2007 10:01
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gondola (Post 407419)
but as someone of impeccable moral rectitude I would rather be hung, drawn and quartered from the Tower of London than disclose the content.

I know you think the rest of the world is stupid apart from yourself, but even I can see that is exactly what you just did.

I would suggest a trip to the Tower for you but I think they will have a job finding your head from so far up your own arse.

gondola 06-04-2007 10:05
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Lancsdave,

Clearly it has not registered. I only disclosed the content of Gayle's private message to me AFTER she incorrectly reported both the content and timing of our private exchanges. The only reason I disclosed it was to set the facts straight.

I don't see anyone else complaining that I have disclosed contents of private messages, do you? No, thought not.

lancsdave 06-04-2007 10:08
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
Why do you ask a question and then answer yourself straight away ?

gondola 06-04-2007 10:13
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
The question was a rhetorical one.

WillowTheWhisp 06-04-2007 10:14
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
I think I probably shared Gayle's original sentiment when you first arrived Gondola because it seemed like you might have had something worthwhile to contribute to the forum. Unfortunately all you have done since then is ramble on and on, going round and round in ever decreasing circles. If you're not careful you'll soon be disappearing up your own rhetoric.

Less 06-04-2007 10:15
Re: Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 407423)
Why do you ask a question and then answer yourself straight away ?
Or, another question to him might be why do you stick around and bother to post when you obviously hold everyone else in the world in such low contempt?

You do though don't you? Thought so.

Thanks for teaching me this answer your own question routine Gondy, I can now always get the answer I want.:)


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