Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 591385)

You're just avoiding questions.

So yes having less security information would be bad.

Do you think detaining people without charge for an period extended to 42 days without any evidence to justify it ( as you have already conceded) is going to make the Muslim community more likely to be helpful or less?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 591382)

I take it by 'us' you mean young Conservatives?

I quite agree, he's certainly not.

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 591386)

Who besides you has mentioned Muslims? Been following this thread from the first post and it appears to me that you are the one trying to stir things up:mad:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 591388)

Excuse me, how rude! Who do you think is the main reception of this act?

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 591388)

Excuse me, how rude! Who do you think is the main reception of this act?

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 591388)

Excuse me, how rude! Who do you think is the main reception of this act?

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 591390)

Why is that rude??? Please enlighten me seems you have a bee in your bonnet!!

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 591392)

Er...at a guess, terrorists?

As Bernadette pointed out, it is you who keeps mentioning Muslims, which is both inflamatory and very patronising to every Muslim who hates terrorism as much as the rest of us.

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 591387)

Yes obviously, and to be quite frank I feel like this whole debate is quite pointless for two reasons.

1. It has already been decided on
2. You aren't actually listening to each other.

I didn't watch today, but I hope the politicians we so greatly put our trust in made the right decisions based on logical reasons, and not for the mere sake of making each other look stupid.

Some of Labour were against it, some Tories like myself were for it. Clearly an issue that was decided more likely on personal view point than their view as a party member, and although there are a few criticisms of Brown that have arisen from it, at the end of the day this Act is intended to protect the MAJORITY of the citizens of this country, and the MINORITY wrong detained by it WILL be compensated. Now I know money doesn't solve everything but most people held for this lengthened period of 42 days will very likely be suspected for good reason, not just because there is a fleeting suspicion. My view is that no more harm can be done by this lengthening than what is already potentially possible under the previous position of 28 days, but threats will be greater avoided if they so arise by the enforcement of this legislation.

It is a bit like CCTV in my view. You have nothing to be concerned about if you are following the law. It is when you are upto no good that you should be worrying about things like this, however controversial a view this may be.

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 591394)

Someone somewhere said to me once that you can't aim a bomb at a single race, you have to hit out at all humanity.

Or something like that.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 591395)

Thank you for confirming that, even though you don't agree with him, that Rosencrantz, as well as being insensitive and crass, is also a young Conservative friend of Andrewb's from Hull.

It's all becoming clear now, though why someone with no connection to Hyndburm wants to share his disgusting views with us, is beyond me.

Perhaps toryboy.com/forum closes when they are all supposed to be in bed.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 591392)

Er...at a guess, terrorists?

As Bernadette pointed out, it is you who keeps mentioning Muslims, which is both inflamatory and very patronising to every Muslim who hates terrorism as much as the rest of us.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 591398)

You're getting ridiculous now Gary. You know very, very, very well I am not suggesting what you are implying. I am actually quite offended.

No terrorists are not the main ones detained under the act, the majority of people are innocent, but you know that's not what I was getting at. Muslims are more likely to be detained, innocent ones.

Do you think detaining people without charge for an period extended to 42 days without any evidence to justify it ( as you have already conceded) is going to make the Muslim community more likely to be helpful or less?

Originally Posted by Rosencrantz (Post 591391)

Anyone feel like confirming/denying my summary? I was quite pleased with it and no one seems to want to acknowledge it :(.