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You tried to paint a negative picture of me. You are nasty. That's obvious. I don't mind scrutiny and was the reason I posted up front.

It's about the 3rd time events surrounding my Gran affected politics and those that knew ignored it for their own personal gain.

Last years Labour budget. The Shadow Finance Portfolio had the same problem as me and had to take a back seat. I couldn't complete the work myself because I had my Gran to deal with. But oh no, you had to run to the media and say Labour couldn't produce a budget (knowing we had pressing personal obligations). "They are useless" was your convenient take.

Yes. I believe you live and breathe in the gutter for these reasons. Family is more important than politics.

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I haven't been to any media about you not being able to come up with a budget. I haven't involved your family in politics. I am not nasty just because I don't think you'd be the best person to run the council, people do have opinions different to your own you know. We've talked about you living in your own world, seperate to reality, before.

I believe you live and breathe hate politics.

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Andrew now Graham ahs explained that he paid for all personal calls he made on the mobile maybe you should be asking if Peter Britcliffe also reimbursed HBC for all the personal calls he made on his Council provided mobile.

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I think you should have kept quiet whilst you were ahead on this Graham, I would have willingly endorsed Accyman's comment as above, as others were swing this way. :) Now I am a little confused, but not questioning any 'misuse' at all. Cllr Britcliffe's bill wasn't that small either @ £798 ... but presume had the same problem with the contract too.

From what I have seen of you, you are a very enthusiastic, hardworking and approachable Councillor who spends lots of hours explaining matters at length to his constituents ... not sure what Cllr. Britcliffe is like, as never had any contact to be fair; just on face value alone doesn't seem to have the same type of friendly personality ('course again could be wrong).

Yes, this thread was initially about expenses, but am confused by the figures you have put up Claytonender. Please correct me as not fully au fait with accounts, etc.

Have only found access to what they were at January 2009, and the increase as from thereon, for instance:-

Basic allowance 4,388 >> 4,498 ... 2.5 percent.
Leader of the council 20,488 >>> 20,950 2.45 percent
Leader of Opposition 6,582 >>> 6,747 2.5 percent.
Cabinet Members 7,679 >>> 7,871 2.5 percent.
And so it goes on ... just average increases of 2.5 percent for all posts held; has this not applied to all council members on the basics over the years too.

Is it that Cllr. Britcliff holds specials that command a higher allowance ?

Is Cllr Britcliffe's allowance only showing ?

Hope you understand what I am getting at .. know what I am trying to impart in my head, hope has come out on this post. :D:confused:

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NO i did not, i just asked the simple question,was there any of the Big 2 parties you can honestly say you have NEVER voted fer in the past, sorry was the question too difficult?

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Sorry .. am back.

For instance .. the absolute basic allowance has gone from £3,102 >> £4,257 over the four years which is an increase of 37 % which I presume all Council Members accepted.

It's the jump from 2006/2007 to 2007/2008 which appears to be the largest, but did not all the allowances for cabinet posts (i.e. basic plus fee for post held) not increase by the same percent or was Cllr Britcliffe not the leader then ?

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Is that the year they started to be allowed to claim more than one special allowance for extra work they do?

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Well, no Neil ... not what I was getting at.

If you look at 2006/2007, his claim for allowances (not including basic) was £16,616 (including specials) then 2007/2008 was £21,862 .. of which he was being paid £20,448 for being leader of the council, so any special in that latter year would have only been £1,414. So if he were leader of the council 2006/2007, then that particular allowance for that position must have increased dramatically the following year. However, the increases for posts appears to sweep across the board, according to this year's increases. That's why I am asking. Don't know what special positions he has held over the years.

Needs more of a break down ultimately, otherwise, Claytonender may have misrepresented the figures.

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It would be easier to understand what you mean if you posted in English ... you know, the language we are all supposed to use ....:confused:

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Katex - the members allowances for councillors are increased in April each year - subject to it being voted on by the Full Council. For the current year 2008-2009 the basic allowance (which all councillors are entitled to claim) is £4388 and then there are various special allowances in addition to this - the Leader of the Council is entitled to claim £20448, the 2 deputy leaders £10224 and the other 3 cabinet members £7679.
There are also several other special allowances -Chair of Area Council £724, Chair of Judical £1448 and chair of Licensing £1448 that Peter Britcliffe is claiming in the current year 2008-2009.

This is a link to the 2008-2009 Member's Allowance page.
Council Constitution

I am claiming £4388 +a special allowance of £724 because I am Secretary of the Labour Group.

The figures I have quoted for the years 2003-2004, 2004-2005, 2005-2006, 2006-2007 and 2007-2008 are correct. (Basis + special allowances)
2003-2004 £3102.75 + £11765.02 =£14867.77
2004-2005 £3134.74 + £12644.62 =£15779.36
2005-2006 £3726.46 + £14549.46 =£18275.92
2006-2007 £4154.10 + £16616.04 =£20770.14
2007-2008 £4257.97 + £26119.98 =£26119.98

I have not included in these figures any claims for childcare, mileage or subsistence - the figures are purely for allowances claimed as a member of Hyndburn Council.

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Havent a clue what your implying here.

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Somehow, I didn't think you would ..... :rolleyes:

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You might want to change that before you interupt Andrew penning his extensive explanation of PB's expenses to tell you that you can't add up :)

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Shuuuuuuush dave you'll have the honerable member for Church scratching her head :rolleyes::D

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I challenge you to explain your quote Mr. poet.:)

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The correct figures fro 2007-2008


Thanks for that Lancsdave :)- I have the information on a spreadsheet and was being a little too eager to get to the end of the Figures. I did give the correct figures in post 35 of this thread (so yes I can add up). But here they are again.

2007-2008 £4257.97 + £21862.01 = £26119.98

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I challenge you to understand it, even if he uses words of one syllable!

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No need to scratch my head - I had already posted the correct figures in post 35. And have now corrected them. It still doesn't alter the fact that in 2007-2008 Peter Britcliffe claimed £26119.98 (which if equated to a % of council tax is quite a high percentage - I am sure you know how much revenue has to be raised for each 1% of council tax.

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I'm not a poet; I am a bibliographer;)

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I hang my white flag out to you then.:)

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If the leader of Rossendale Council did the job for less than £12K in 2007-2008 - why does it take 118% more in members allowance for the leader of Hyndburn Borough Council to do their job. Is he 118% better at doing the work than the leader of Rossendale Council.


This is a link to the Rossendale Councillor's allowances for 2007-2008 for comparison - http://www.rossendale.gov.uk/downloa...es_2007-08.pdf

The total allowances claimed by all 35 Hyndburn's councillors in 2007 - 2008 was £140,904.19
(basic allowance) + £111,943.31 (special allowance) = £252,847.50 which is £ 87,550.05 more than that claimed by the 36 Rossendale councillors - who claimed £165,297.45

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Perhaps Rossendale have a better public transport system and their leader is allowed a bus pass?

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Well Andrew are you going to ask Peter Britcliffe if he pays back any of his HBC mobile phone bill for personal calls - or was it only Graham you wanted to 'dish' the dirt on?

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Are you going to have the courage of your convictions and drop your own allowances then? I don't think Rossendale gives special allowances to group secretaries, at least it doesn't say so on the link provided. Your new allowance would be £2,610 rather than your current £5112, which is a 95% increase on Rossendale.

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I've lost track,

I know there is an addage:-

'Attack is the better form of defence',

but now I can't remember who is attacking whom, can we have some sort of a brief synopsis like they do to bring us all up to date with what's been going on in all the other soaps?

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I am quite aware that Rossendale's allowances are much lower than Hynburn's. And it would be of little concern to me if my allowance was at Rossendales level. Incidentally the current secretary of the Conservative group on HBC is Tony Dobson.

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Well considering Peter does not use AccringtonWeb I've no idea why you keep mentioning it here, as I will be asking him through another channel. I'm hoping you already know the answer and can just save me the trouble. When are you going to decrease your allowance?

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If its of little concern then please have the courage of your convictions and drop your allowance 95%. Then you might have a leg to stand on when criticising other peoples allowances.

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Please put this into perspective by posting how much the Council Chief Executive is on, my guess is around £100,000.

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We will find out soon
Council bosses told to reveal pay and perks - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

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How do you and how would they define a perk?
:rolleyes:

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That link suggests that perks are-
Town hall chief executives and top earners will also have to disclose financial perks they receive under the new rules, such as private cars, chauffeurs and accommodation. They will also be obliged to reveal the size of any pay-offs they receive upon leaving their posts.

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Rent boys and prossies?

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Perhaps a million points on a Tesco Clubcard?:rolleyes:

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Regarding whether Peter Britcliffe reimburses HBC for the personal calls on his Council Mobile - I don't know whether he pays the money back or not, so it will be intersting for you to provide the answer.

As regards the Member's Allowances - I will accept the level of Rossendale member's allowance, when the rest of Councillors on Hyndburn Borough Council agree to do so.

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Unfortunately I have not got the figures for the Managing Directors salary, but I am sure the Chief Executive of Rossendale is earning a similar salary to that of Hyndburn's Managing Director.

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Yes, yes understand all this Claytonender.

Think you have got the basic 2007/2008 incorrect .. should be £4,388.

Ok .. let's take our Graham.

2007/2008.

Would be claiming £6,582 (Leader of the opposition)
Basic allowance: £4,388. (think your figure was incorrect here)

Total = £10,970

2008/2009

Leader of opposition £6,747
Basic allowance: £4,498
Special committee 'Planning' £742. Hypothesizing as not sure when he actually took up this appointment.

Should Graham not have accepted the Planning Committee allowance would have only been approx. 2.5 percent.
Total: £11,987.

Now showing increase of 9.27 percent.
If had been a committee commanding a higher allowance would have been a higher percentage.

Get it ? Losing the will to live now. :(

No issues with what they claim at all ... probably well deserved, and they are entitled, and not interested at all in the Rossendale allowances, not the issue. Red Herring.

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Katex the basic allowance for 2008-2009 is definitely £4388 - I have my pay slip in front of me (for my February 2009 payment) and it shows Basic Allowance is £365.67 per month - which multiplied by 12 makes £4388.04 per annum. These figures (for 2008-2009) are on page 8 of the link I posted
I think the figures you are using are the proposed member's allowances for 2009-2010 - which not everyone may choose to claim.

Graham became the leader of the Labour Group in May 2006. I have the all correct figures for his members allowances since then.

But am to tired to post them now, but will do when I get time over the weekend.

However this year 2008 to 2009 he is claiming basic £4388 + (special allowance for Leader of the Oppostion =1.5 times basic allowance)£6,582.00 + (allowance for members of planning committee =0.165 of basic allowance) £724 =£11694.00

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does it really matter ?

there all a shower of ****e and i do wonder what i get for the council tax i pay :( thr roads in the borough are akin to a third world country :(

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bloody hell Andrew. Why can't you just give in and admit the facts. The Tories need to buck their ideas up and Labour has done nothing wrong!

Heavens sake.... If 'Sir' David asked you to jump in the canal head first you would...

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Wot? You claiming to be Jesus then?

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Well he does appear to think he can walk on water.:rolleyes:

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You're having a laugh Joan. Andrew has shown he is a nasty little individual whose only motives are to twist and connive. He has the perfect mentor.

A member of the public told me today, take it as a compliment, Peter Britcliffe is THE BEST SPIN DOCTOR in Britain. Better than Alistair Campbell he said... (and I agree with that). Politics is a tough game when so many are taken in so easily by his charms.

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Ok ... so your years are April to April then ?

Still all irrelevant with my point though !

Showing Graham's increase of 4 % approx from 2007/2008, (if he did not claim for planning in this year) BUT if he had been on a higher paid committee, would have been much higher.

Giving up .. you obviously do not understand my point, and probably everyone else is glazing over by now ... however, still think you have misrepresented Cllr. Britcliffe's increases.

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No I haven't misrepresented Peter Britcliffe's increases - it was him who voted for members to take more than 1 special responsiblity allowance and invented extra special allowances to keep his members sweet. One Tory member has an extra allowance of £1448 for chairing a meeting held once a year that lasts 2 hours.

By the way apart from Area Council Chairs (there are 3 Labour Chairs), Group Whip (1 Labour member) planing (4 LAbour members 1 Independent member) group secretary(1member) all £742 per annum - Oppostion Group Leader (1 member) Deputy Leader of Oppostion (1 @ £2194) and opposition spokesperson on planning (1 @ £1448) no other special responsiblty posts are given to any opposition members.

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that is a real kick in the nuts to anybody working or not

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So was he the only one that voted then ? :confused: Which was the 1 special responsiblity allowance, and what do you mean by keeping his members sweet ?

Presume, most members will take these now anyway no matter what party .. and why not ? They have been accepted as legitimate allowances !

Still skirting around my point though as to the percentage increases.

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The total figures for members allowances for the 2008-2009 will be
Labour members £73,784.00 - 13 members
Independent members £13,889.00 - 4 members - Malcolm Pritchard only claims £1
Tory members £189,248.00 - 18 members

Total will be £276,921.00

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So what does that prove ? ... there are more Conservative members holding higher paid posts ..... and more fool Malcolm Pritchard, just makes him look an idiot in my eyes. Have expressed my feelings on people not claiming what they are entitled to earlier.

I think Councillors have a very difficult job, and have no objection whatsoever to what they are getting paid.

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Well that must mean Peter is God, because Jesus sits at the right hand of Gad.:D

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I don't believe for one minute that you believe that, you must have more money than sense if you do.:(

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Then its easy to guess who i am then:)

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He might not be a registered member, he hasn't got the balls to join in any debates, but he certainly reads the posts as a guest.

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Yes, Andrewb's mother although you get upset if it's mentioned, why who do you think you are?

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Oh my god are we bringing the imaculate conception into the thread now....


God forbid.

As Bagpuss says you keep reminding us who you are. that's OK


When are you going to make a pertinent post to any thread then?

Seeing as you have such a high position? :)

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:rofl38: You couldn't make this up. You scream that Peter Britcliffe is a terrible man for taking an allowance greater than Rossendale council, but when your own allowances are questioned you won't take your advice.

No working for the common good, constantly trying to trip the Conservatives up. Demands Conservatives have Rossendale level of allowances then refuses to do the same with their own allowance. Complains the Conservatives take special allowances for additional roles, then takes special allowances themselves. Absolutely hypocritical. Same old Hyndburn Labour.

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Turkish Delight's post has got to be the one of the year ... picture of virgin Mary does not exactly spring to mind ... :rofl38::rofl38:

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Politics of hatred must be a stressful life Graham.

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Andrew, if you tell your mother to stop posting in these threads, you might have some sort of credibility. As it is she is doing you no favours what so ever. No personal issue against you and all that. lets just talk politics. but please.......

I was comparing the level of Allowances of Hyndburn to those of Rossendale. I did not (as far as I am aware say that Peter Britcliffe should be paid the same as Rossendale). It is the Tories who abolished the rule that Hbc cllrs could only have 1special allowance. You will note that I am only claiming ONE I repeat (because you appear under a false delusion) ONE special responsibilty allowance.

There is at least 1Tory councillor being paid a substanial special allowance who has not attended every meeting of that committee. I will leave it to you to discover the vice chair I am refering too. None of the Labour group is paid an extra allowance for attending any of these meetings.


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If Rossendale Councillors did the job for less than £3k in 2007-2008 - why does it take 95% more in members allowance for Hyndburn Borough Councillors to do their job. Are you 95% better at doing the work than the Rossendale Councillors? :confused:

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Oh I didn't think of that!

I was trying to think of a Biblical woman who was lame.

Doh.

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Claytonender, you directly compared Britcliffes allowances with Rossendale. Does it hurt when somebody does the same for your allowances? Awh. :o

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They seem more than capable of doing that themselves.:rolleyes:

If they ever have enough skills to master tying their own shoelaces, things might hopefully improve on that front.

Maybe you should be asking Peter the answer to this. After all he does keep saying we are an "excellent" council. Peter is so good at his job that he answered an email from me, but instead of just pressing reply in the email programme he sent the reply to a member of the public, who was not too impressed at getting the email.

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Or learning how to press the reply to sender icon on the HBC email programme. It is not only Jaysay who sends messages to the wrong person.
It is quite worrying when you consider it could have been some highly confidential council information.



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Blimey, they're really not too hot when it comes to using emails and personal messages, are they?

I do hope it was nothing of a 'sensitive' nature, that he sent to the wrong person.

I'm sure they do a beginers guide to computing at Ossy Library.

I check, and if they do I'll book two places for him and his pal Jaysay.

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Clutching at straws now Claytonender. Just go away, come back with something real that the Conservatives have done bad, or have the guts to drop your own allowances if you're going to complain about other peoples. Absolutely stinks of hypocracy. Better still, work with them for the betterment of those people who elected you, rather than spending your time trying to trip the Conservatives up.

You could start by getting in contact with your Labour county council buddies, and get Emma Street tarmaced like you promised the residents.

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bloody hell this misdirecting of messages is catching amonst em.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Maybe his misuse of council IT services has not taught him any lessons then, if he can't even press the right button?:)

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Let's just be happy enough people saw sense in Hyndburn, twice I might add, not to send him down to Westminster after the General Elections.

Besides starving his poor little self half to death, because the big bad city is just sooooo expensive to eat in, he could have perhaps started a war, if he happened to start pressing buttons willy-nilly in the wrong office in Whitehall.

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No wonder they decided to sqander the grant of £591,000 that was given to them to start a community website here in Hyndburn.

Technology can be very confusing for some.

Cllr. Britcliffe probably pressed a wrong button somewhere, and just deleted all that dosh.

Still it's only just over half a million pounds...half a million pounds of people's hard earned money.

I will start to consider working with Peter Britcliffe when he stops lying in public about the activities of myself and my fellow Church councillor. Until then I will continue to speak to him as I did on Thursday evening. Incidentally he refered to me as 'That woman' during Thursday's council meeting. Clare Pritchard and myself have been speculating that maybe if -God Forbid-the Tories ever win power again nationally whether all Labour voters will loose the right to be addressed by their name and be called in a similar manner. I have stipulated that I must be "That woman" number 1. Clare thinks her title will possibly be "Gobby woman" but I am not to sure as it might imply she is a resident of Oswaldtwistle. So I have suggested "Milly woman" to signify the ward she represents. In fact we have discussed having the names tatooed on our left buttocks - in red of course.



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Mmmmmmmmmmm I wonder which side is winning us, the swaying voters.:rolleyes:

There's a lot to take in.

Greed. Gross incompetence. Arrogance. Lack of intellect. Fairness. Integrity. Refusing to listen to Joe Public at 'public' meetings. Idiotic and wasteful whims, with no perceivable benefits to the borough. Megalomania. Did I mention greed, as in feathering one's own already comfortable nest?

Yes there's a lot of information for us ordinary Joes to take in.:rolleyes:

I'd hate to say who was winning, certainly from the evidence we've had presented before us on Accy Web.

It's Hobson's choice.

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Whilst on his recent trip to London did he also make an all expenses paid visit to the Lucy Clayton School of Deportment and Charm?

I suppose it's one step up from allegedly referring to a fellow councillor in public as a 'silly cow'.

Count yourself lucky.;)

I do indeed. I think when I sign in at the next council meeting I will sign "that woman" maybe he will know who I am then.


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That might not be a bad idea if it was actually promised. I cannot understand why people who pay council tax have to put up with the road outside their house being such a disgrace. My sister lives on there and I am afraid I would not be best pleased if the road outside my house was allowed to get into that state. Think I would be witholding my council tax

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i'm just wondering why there has been no comment from "Turkish Delight" about this meeting, surely must have heard what was actually said.:confused::D

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She might have been ejected, for keep shouting out demands of explanation, for every simple thing that was mentioned that she didn't quite grasp.;)

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Do you then intend to show him the tattoo to remind him if he rudely refers to you as "that woman" again. Did he call you that in a public meeting?

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She might have been ejected, for keep shouting out demands of explanation, for every simple thing that was mentioned that she didn't quite grasp.
Such as 'why was there no room at the inn?'

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Wht was that wrong as well? ;)

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It was in a public meeting, not a panto.

Though I hear next year's production are still looking to cast Baron Cockup in Cinderella.

It's a pity the Conservatives aren't doing Jack and the Beanstalk. He could have exchanged his bag of publicly funded beans in exchange for a hot dog and Coke, or even a real silly cow.

I can think of two people who'd be good in the part of the cow, but sadly there's only one person who can play the cow's backside role.

:D

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is that one person available?:D

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It depends if there's any essays to do.:D

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Not wanting to stir things up , but I think it would be a good idea if AndrewB's next FOI request was for details of all the local councillors educational qualifications , when you consider these folks are in charge of a multi million £ budget , seems they should be able to show some modicum of a decent education , after all , the pubic should have the right to know if they are voting for an illiterate moron or not . ;) ;)

Would have thought a brief bio. (accomplishments , convictions etc.) of each councillor would have been available on the Hyndburn web-site, but it just lists the name and which ward the represent ...just one more small step to open government :eek:

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Maybe you should come down from your exalted position as PBs mouthpiece Andrew, and come back with something the conservatives have done well.

Emma St? Geez, that's an historical issue me thinks, been like that since I was a kid and lived there...Petty point.
When will you grasp that some of us, politically minded or not, have issues, not just the councillors, and view things logically.

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Peter Britcliffe

Personal details

Gaby (Wife) 2 sons 1 daughter


Education
Accriwoton Grammar School 1961-67
Chorely College of Education 1976


Non-political career
Special Needs Teacher, Hywdburn School For Past 20 Years

Political career
Previously Contested Hynburn (Westminster)
1997

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Taken from the BBC's main political news site.

BBC NEWS | VOTE 2001 | CANDIDATES

I presumed he filled in the form himself, divulging his achievements here in Hynburn (sic) and elsewhere.:D

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Happily he wasn't allowed to waste good money on changing the name of the borough from Hydburn to Accriwoton and Districts.

God give us strength.:rolleyes:

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I should just mention, although the details are as given on the B.B.C. site, his partner has sadly since passed away.

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I notice there's no mention of running a sweetie shop, or the frock shop.

Perhaps those two enterprises weren't deemed sucessful enough for inclusion.

:rolleyes:

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That brings up another point I made that no one answered.

How much of the budget, percentage or money wise, do the Councillors decide on compared to what is already pre decided by the Exec's and Accountants in the Council?

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I'm sure the residents of Emma Street would be really chuffed that, having been promised that the road be tarmaced, it has not yet been done. Claytonender, their councillor who promised it, appears to be silent on the subject.

Caz, you seem to be joining Grahams bizarre world. I do worry about Labour members health sometimes having to listen to the brain washing. We've already covered my instant link to Peter Britcliffes psychic hotline. :D

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Maybe she is trying but roads have nothing to do with Hyndburn and Lancashire County Council appear to have no interest in the roads in Hyndburn. Many of them are in a very poor state.

Stop trying to take the thread off topic, this thread is about expenses :p

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I did try but Garinda and other Labour defenders just seem to be having a go at the council rather than discussing expenses. You'd think that if Labour councillors promise to do something about a road, which is out of their remit (but the voter wouldn't know that) then they'd have some influence at county council. Which is it Claytonender? When are you going to fulfil the promise:confused:

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It went straight from half a pound of Dolly Mixtures....to over half a million pound losses, that was shamefully wasted on the now defunct community website.

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I'm certainly not a 'Labour defender', as my recent scathing attack on the governmet show...to all but the most stupid.

I'm attacking rather than defending.

In this case the greedy incompetence of the local Conservative party.

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Andrew regarding Emma Street I repeat did not promise to get it tarmaced. As you are no doubt aware it is an unadopted street. What I did say is that I would try to see what could be done about it. Which is different from promising that it will be done.
What this has to do with expenses escapes me but the machinations of your mind, Andrew, never cease to amaze me. I hope you put as much effort into your studies.