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I'm saying nothing.

(...as I've already mentioned that he had to resit his A-levels.)

We all like a trier, and some people are very trying.

:D

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Off thread and irrelavant...............PS the Avatar suits you. :):dummy2:

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At lot of any budget is spoken far, wages, refuse collection, parks e.t.c.
We also have statuary responsibilities as a Council.

There is very little discretion when it comes to the main bulk of local government finance. And it's the same regardless of which party is in control

That's not to say that councillors don't have any say on where the money is spent, they do. But it tends to be on the periphery, and that's were the different political parties priorities comes in.

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Though of course your post is right on the button and completely within the bounds of the subject matter being discussed and not just an attack for attacking's sake isn't it?

P.S. your avator is in-accurate it shows you with what appears to be a barrel of rum and still capable of standing!

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Happily for me, when I was a student, my 'course work' was a lot more interesting than looking at the expenses of local councillors, for whatever purpose.

Which in this case mainly seems to be as some sort of defence, to defend against the public outrage at the recent massive increases some Conservative councillors decided to award themselves, against the advised recommendations of an independent body.

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Same old blather...I know it must be difficult to walk on water at your age...take care. :D

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Made even more difficult since they put them holes in his feet.:D

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he also had to give up eating malteezers :D

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Andrew,

Your Mother actually agreed with some our our suggestions on Thursday night and couldn't believe just how rude and ignorant Conservative Councillors were, my husband and daughter were in the gallery and my hubby used to work with your Mum and thats what she said to him. I had to stop my speech about 5 times because the ignorant sod was trying to twitter and shout over me. Mannners cost nothing. The Hyndburn Conservatives in general don't do manners well, they are definatly not "excellent" at that

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That's what's so laughable, especially when Accy Web is accused of being a place of 'vile attacks' against certain public figures.

I've certainly used this forum to attack the policies and actions of some local politicans, but am yet waiting to be sued for slander for posting anything other than the truth about anyone.

I'm quite certain that certain high profile leaders have more than enough bile in them to ward off any 'vile attacks'.

:rolleyes:

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This is the gods honest truth, in my budget speech I suggested 5k for the next 3 years to help the Hyndburn Disabled Forum. I've grown up all my life seeing the problems that disabled people face, my Grandad was blind, my Mum became disabled through a car crash when I was 18 months old and my younger brother is disabled. Peter knows this very well but on Thursday night accused me of "jumping on the bandwagon of disabled people". Just proves what a lovely person he is......

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After he'd accused you of 'jumping on the bandwagon', did he accept your suggestion and award the money?

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No, he gave £2600. Did you get a copy of the budget and my speech from Joan?

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Just going back to this, is becoming a little clearer to me now, after a few hours of research. So, members of the opposition cannot hold the high flying, high allowance paid jobs then ? Is that just the way it is ? Can see no labour members have one particularly.

However, presume that if Labour got back in, they would not be averse to accepting these allowances ... wouldn't expect them not to. What you were saying was that he increased the 'special' allowances and would, therefore, only be paid to Conservative members ?

Ok ... have learnt quite a lot in the last 48 hours, for which I thank you, however, still think you were a little naughty in including the specials in the overall payments.

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What you talking about Clare, I've always been a perfect gentleman, always say please and thank you, open doors for ladies and swear at Graham Jones, can't be fairer than that:D

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thats a good reason the "WebCam" would be very useful at these meetings, if the general public had a glimpse of how P.B. behaves he perhaps would be voted into the oblivion he deserves.:(

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Shame.

£3,000 pounds doesn't seem an awful lot to ask for, for the Disabled Forum to be granted...placed in context of the £591,000 they wasted on the now defunct community forum.

(No, I haven't seen your speech.)

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Must admit Clare, the one Council meeting I attended (will have to go to more though now, getting interested), I did note this side to Cllr Britcliffe, felt like telling him to shut up myself. Thought the Labour members took it in their stride, this was obviously his tactics and didn't do him any favours.

At times, was quite dry and witty, but council chambers are not a comedy arena ... although some may think so. :D

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It was Silly Cow (& Gate) night wasn't it?

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Indeed ... :rolleyes:

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I did try to warn you not to wear your new coat that night.;)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E86Wdq8gHD...0/cow-coat.jpg

:D

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Eh up ... watch it ... MargaretR is on this thread ... no doubt looking this over .. LOL

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a. He thinks he's witty
b. He does it to try and put people off (but he doen't put me off at all)

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Seems such a shame he doesn't feel able to share his 'talents' with us on this forum.

:rolleyes:

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a. Yes, noticed after he makes a remark, he looks around, even into the public gallery, for approval. Surprised he has not invested in one of those laughter machines.

b. Good job us women can multi-task.

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Perhaps he does? through the student prince via his hotline.:D

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With your theatrical backgound you could become his life coach, and show him how not to appear (too) hammy.

:D

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too late, he's hammier than "Babe" but has significantly less manners !!!!

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It's strange how different images come into our heads.:rolleyes:

Babe never even crossed my mind when mentioning hammy.:D

http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you...ink_165218.jpg

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Getting facts completely wrong has started to rub off on you while you cosy up to local Labour Garinda.

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LOL .. one of your best witticisms Garinda.

Thought you may have been working your way back to HOT DOGS again... :p

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It somehow seemed wrong, and slightly obscene, to try and work a hot dog into Miss Piggy.

:eek::D

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Punctuation might have made some sense of that nonesensical sentence.;)

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I'd rather miss out punctuation than be factually incorrect. :)

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Forgive me if I'm wrong, for I understood that you failed to acieve good enough grades, meaning you had to resit your A-levels if you wanted to be accepted on your chosen course.

I'm sure we all hope you are spending enough time on your studies, and that anything so unfortunate doesn't happen again.:)

As for 'cosying up' to anyone imparticular that's laughable.

I'll debate a subject of mutual interest with any member of Accy Web, regardless as to the fact that they are a member of a political party.

Hell I'll even debate with someone who took three years to get good enough grades at A-level....as opposed to someone who actually achieved it in one.:rolleyes::)

Though should you really be carrying on in a thread wander?

It might result in another black mark for you.;)

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I think it's pathetic that you would try and use this method of argument. If somebody had re-sit their a-levels then there is nothing wrong with it. As it happens you've got your facts completely wrong about myself. I didn't re-sit any a-levels.

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If a Conservative councillor ever grows a pair of balls, and isn't afraid to converse with the people of Hyndburn on this forum, I'd be more than willing to 'cosy up'/debate important issues with them.

In the meantime I'll have to make do with those members of Accy Web who were elected to a political position, such as Greg, Clare, Bob/Bernard, and Claytonender, who all seem very willing to answer questions I and others may have.

Twitter, twitter.:)

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Let us know when you've had the courage to call him.

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As I said, if I was wrong as to why it took three years, rather than the more normal two (or one), then I apologise.

Now pop back up into your highchair.

Good boy.;)

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Miss Piggy is far too pretty, witty and ballsy Gary !!!!!!!!!!

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Apology accepted.

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If you do ring Peter, tell him I said "Hi"

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I hope he does ring Peter, otherwise his whines about Peter not posting here will just be nothing more than local labour defending.

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We all know that he reads Accy web avidly but hasn't got the balls to post personally, Area Council staff have been told to monitor Accy Web posts too, supposedly to monitor "local issues"

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I've said many times before on this forum that if I ever have a problem I think he could help me with, then I certainly would telephone him.

I've also said (again many times) that I know he'd do his best to help me, but that doesn't really sit very well with your narrow and blinkered political view, does it?

That I can praise someone's work as a councillor, who just happens to be a Conservative.;)

Is this an offically sanctioned thread wander by the way, since you're perpetuating it?:rolleyes:

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As opposed to your Tory defending ...........?:rolleyes:

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For me the jury's still out.

Both sides are putting up such a mature and compelling case.

I'm sure I'm not the only voting floater who can't see who's presented a better argument in the expenses scandal...so far.:rolleyes:

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I thought it was against the rules for a phone number to be shown here without consent.
Another moderator once edited my post and PMd me for doing just that.:eek:

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Stop stealing my line.:D

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If I ever have a problem I'd call him, or my other Conservative councillor, as I've already said.

In the meantime I'll resist the urge to telephone them, and waste their valuable time, just to satisfy yet more of petulant demands.;)

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Then why do you demand that he come here when you can ask him questions on the phone?

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...and do pass on the message I've posted, that I'll gladly help with his public relations capabilites.

He's more than welcome to call me anytime, and I'll glady share tips about not making comments to the press that so inflame public opinion against him. Coke, hot dogs, guide books, silly cow, etc. etc.

;)

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I think he'd do better with a cat giving him Google Page Ranking than yourself. You seem only too happy to go and attack somebody for re-siting a-levels, and even then you got your facts wrong. You should apply to be a Labour councillor. ;)

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I don't demand. I just think it would be nice to have some equalty.;)

The balance seems unfairly tipped in Labour's favour, with only the Tea Boy and Old Father time standing their corner.

:)

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I can see your point, there are a lot of Labour lies on here. Don't worry though, I'm here to put you straight. :D

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I'm sorry you felt attacked.

(Just wait until you're allowed out into the real world. That'll be much more scary.)

Someone posted they were worried you might not be spending enough time studying, whilst you were hopelessly scrambling around, looking for some sort of defence for the shamefully increased allowances the Conservatives awarded themselves.

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I'd sack the cat.

It's doing a terrible job for him, and so are you.

;)

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I really do beleive Clare that it would be a good thing if Peter did contribute on Accy Web.

One of the strengths of Accy Web in my view, is that important issues can be discussed in a civilized way.

And Councillors ought to be involved in that. After all we as Councillors make dicisions that effect peoples lives in Hyndburn.

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There are no Labour lies. (Name me a Labour lie?) Don't call me a liar unless you can prove it, or you'll get the same problem as your boss, a legal letter. I am not in the mood to deal with gutter people like you who make capital put of people's personal problems.

Never mind accepting apologies, how about apologising yourself.

If I win selection in Accy South I intend to fill it up with 10 Tory sponsors, so sick of you they are. My agent is a Thatcherite, my sponsor an ex Tory Councillor.

This is not blue v red. It's about making sure people like you never represent us.

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Okay,

Didn't take long. :rolleyes:

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I'm very sorry that you don't want somebody who just gives our the clear representations to people, to represent you. For example when I clearly showed Hyndburn didn't have the most expensive council tax in the country. Some councillors were saying it was and trying to confuse people. Some councillors even call members of the public nasty names, and accuse them of conspiring with the council leader, they even come and post when a FOI request is made and have a huge go at a member of the public, despite it being completely legitimate. :rolleyes:

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Here's a little light entertainment. where do you fit in to the political equation?


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Link to the Quiz!

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It had me down has a left liberal. Is that good?

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What's good and what's bad? It said I was a centrist.

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I was a borderline centrist - but bordering with left liberal. :D

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After reading through some of these threads, i don't feel andrewb has anything to apologise for. He clearly responds with complete understanding and accurate knowledge of local issues. In my view a person with his clear qualities, determination and a common sense approach would be a very suitable candidate to hold a political position in the future. A person of this stature should be appreciated for his stance on local Politics in terms of his empathy and understanding towards the residents of Hyndburn. From one who is familiar with local Politics!

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Heyup... here comes the cavalry!!!:D

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Well another one of Andrew's freinds springing to his aid. By the way just how familiar are you with local politics - I know you have posted on Andrew's far right wing website.

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Well Bernard it had me down as a Libertarian - I aheve always wanted to be a 'arian' of some discription.

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So who are you.
1 Another family member of Andrew
2 A friend of Andrew from Uni
3 A local councillor (Dobson???)

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Ok did the quiz and now as confused and befuddled as a lost canadian goose. I am a centerist but sit at the corner junction with Libertarien and Right Concervative. :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused:

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So we have an Andrew B fanclub here. :eek: If all others on here have a group of like minded pals why cant he? He takes a stance speaks his mind and stands by it. Whether this be right or wrong he has the right to.

By the way Mr B how much have you bunged your pals? ;):D

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I have a confession - well they do say confession is good for the soul-to make about the allowances I am receiving this year from HBC - thought I should let everyone know before Andrew claims I have misled the public when the expenses of all councillors are published after the end of the municipal year.

(I do so hate that there is no spell checker on Internet Explorer - reminder to myself to use Safari instead).

Well sorry I digressed but back to the sublect of my post - My member's allowances for 2008 to 2009 also include £20.83 per month (which is £250 per year), which is an allowance for not having a Hyndburn Council laptop and printer but using my own PC, laptop and printer. I also pay my own broadband subscription and for all the ink cartridges and paper for my home printer. There are a several councillors from all parties who use their own PC etc and some who have a laptop and printer provided by HBC.

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We all have our crosses to bare :):):)

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Mines gettin too frikin heavy!!! Know a good chiropractor?

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I was just thinking the same Margaret - but maybe rules change when you are a moderator.:rolleyes:

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Aye, and the mod on line at the time still hasn't removed it has he? :rolleyes: :D

One rule for us then...

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It was the same mod who was on the night Boris posted the completely unacceptable post. :confused::confused::confused:

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It was, yes, funnily enough.

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I expect Andrew does have consent

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He's only copying what's publicly available here:Councillors - View by name

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Moderator maybe, but when you are an administrator as Andrew is, you can say what you bloody well like and I think he has taken the insults very well up to now.

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I apprecaite that he was - but it would probably have been better to post the think.

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It was not an insult to Andrew just an agreeing that if Margaret was censured for posting a tel number the same rules should apply to everyone.

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I dont think Royboy was refering to yourself Claytonender but to the many insults on these threads that i have picked up on also. As for myself their have indeed been insults which i find offensive and would never speak of a person in that manner, pathetic really. I feel the guilty ones not all i may add should reflect on their behaviour and the way they conduct themselves. Shame on them.

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Spot on...but dont dare say anything to challenge them, they refer to past threads and try to make you look like an idiot....and what is more disturbing, the tribe chip in with statements like 'Who is this Prat'.
Less chips in now and again requesting me to go away.
I take that as banter knowing that he is a prat anyway:D
If I mention the other one that I am not very keen on I am called a troll.
Life is good to me but I do not support the one line smart arses in any way, shape or form.

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Ohhhhhh should we all stand up and applaud? My god, if its you breaking out the biscuits as well, the good members of the public should be scattering rose petals at your feet whilst you walk....

Or maybe you're just doing what countless other people do within their job role without feeling the need to broadcast it ona public forum.

When you have workers in the private sector not only working from home at their own expense (without claiming it back under expenses), hell, even our troops had to provide their own mosquito nets and decent boots for tours, your £20 odd means diddly squat to me. Especially seeing as I'm paying for it.

For someone like myself that doesnt particularly do politics, isnt a die hard supporter of either party, but open to suggestions when voting time comes along, the attitude and manners of the local labour councillors do nothing to sway me in their favour.

My child of 4 has better manners and social skills. Maybe if you remembered that potential voters are reading your posts, it would encourage you to act with a tad more dignity than i've seen previously

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In the post regarding my getting an allowance for using my own PC etc I wasn't implying that I was doing anything 'virtuous' by not using an HBC laptop. As I said there are several members from Labour, Tory and Independant who also use their own PC, just didn't want Andrew to come back at a later date and I had not told people on here about it and was somehow trying to deceive people.

Maybe you should also ask the Tory members of HBC to act with more dignity as well.

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:D,, are you sure... issues discussed in a civilized way?... if you think this thread is civilized then I hate to think what you lot get up to at your council "debates".. I image a chimpanzee tea party!

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seems to prefer females defending him our andrew.:rolleyes::D

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I dont think he needs to defend himself, The Proof is in the Pudding.:)

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Nobody needs to post anything for you to look an idiot, you prove that all by yourself.

Take a look through any thread you contaminate, it's you more than most that dribbles down the chin of concious thought!

:)

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2: All jokes, funny or silly topics to be kept to the Anything Goes section.

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It has been pointed out that in some cases there is the possibility that people appear to be making postings just to raise their scores.

8: No personal names, addresses & phone numbers to be left on the forum, unless with consent of the person concerned.-------------------- check rule 8 i think he does need to defend himself, i fail to see how posting someones phone number is acceptable.:(

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Same as me Gayle ......:D

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Pudding?.. now I had it down to Eton Mess :confused:

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There are exceptions to every rule. But I still believe there is no reason, no matter how emotive the subject, why that subject can't be debated in a civilized way.

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At last!!!

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Mine was the same as well Jen. I bet that's ruined your night.

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aint bothered with it, was once told i was to the right of "Attilla The Hun" :D

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It's obvious someone isn't brave enough to post any Labour 'lies'.

Come on andrewb, put your money where your mouth is.

We're waiting....