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Financial Year 2007/2008

Total
Leader of the Council: £2,189.3
Leader of the opposition: £1,924.95

LGA Conference
Leader of the Council: £204.44
Leader of the opposition: £204.44

Hotels
Leader of the Council: £323.40 (4 nights)
Leader of the opposition: £323.40 (4 nights)

Food
Leader of the Council: £236.95
Leader of the opposition: £0

Travel
Leader of the Council: £622.58
Leader of the opposition: £0

Mobile Phone Bills
Leader of the Council: £797.97
Leader of the opposition: £1,393.11 :D:D

The major differences here are travel, food, and mobile phone bills. The council leader travels a lot, as he represents the borough externally, and people shouldn't expect him to pay out of his own pocket when representing the council, where as the leader of the opposition does not represent the council.

Quite why the leader of the opposition's mobile phone bills are going on for double that of the man running the show, I really don't know. :confused:

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....maybe Accy web has alot to answer for....

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1400 quid on moble bills?

how the heck do they manage that, 75 quid a month buys you 3000 mins, unlimited text, email via blackberry etc.

3000 minutes - 50 hours a monthover 2 hours a day making calls(i.e. not those received from other callers).

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Sorry Andrew but you're really clutching at straws there. Perhaps Graham's phone bill is larger because he rings more people from his mobile. Peter has a very nice office with a telephone in it and a secretary to make his calls. Graham has a poky little office that he shares with the rest of the labour group.

Just because the phone bills are different doesn't mean anything once you take the other factors into consideration.

Whatever you think of either of the men's politics, everyone has to concede that both of them work very hard.

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When I had just moved and was without a phone line (for quite some time) my mobile bill was around the £100 a month mark as I was making a number of calls to 0870 / 0845 numbers which arnt often covered by your inclusive minutes. It is very easily done to be honest and im not representing a political party

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if somone is out helping people and working for his constituancy then obviously they wont have a landline available so will depend on a mobile more

i would say the higher the phone bill the more that person was out and about getting things done

alot of poeople are on pay as you go and will probably ask to be rang back especialy if that person is hard up and dosnt have free mins etc

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Well you've shown what a nasty little person you really are Andrew. The thread I posted, I knew you where after this mis-information.

The Council took over my contract and put me on the bottom tarif by mistake to start. I am the ONLY carer for Grandmother who brought me up and who was 95 when she finally passed away in april after a few years of ill health. My personal calls where very high. Not a day went by without a crises, complaint, need or problem to one agency or another.

I could not go away for more than few days but when I did, abroad several times, my bill just rocketed. Throughout I informed the Council who altered my tarif and tried to resolve the problems. I was frustrated about it and kept in constant dialogue with the Managing Director to make sure it didn't continue because it was costing me a fortune and I am out of pocket (compared to my high street account) paying the Council for my personal calls. The Managing Director has apologised. They know as a carer what I have been going through, emotionally and physically.

I don't care if my bill was £5000. Caring for someone you love is more important than money.

I knew you'd drag my personal life into the gutter for your stupid Conservative Party ideals. That is precisely who you are.

You've (Senior Tories) in the past been in my father-in-laws front room trying to fish dirt on me because he's was a loyal Tory. You were told to get out then and he's voted Labour ever since.

It's nice to know you published the only aspect that made The Leader look good and choose to not print the (damaging) rest.

All you ever try to do is bring Labour into the gutter because you have nothing positive to say about yourself.

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Perhaps Andrew as posted this thread in n attempt to deflect away from the fact that he has ignored completly posting in his mate Jaysays thread "Our Lads Home At Last":D

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I am disapointed with you enty. You live opposite my Grans and you know the issues I, on my own, have had to deal with.

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As this was supposed to be research for a degree, no wonder our educational standards are falling. what sort of degree is it and how did this information help ?

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bit naive that graham, they are all the same, no matter how they pretend.:rolleyes:

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why, I have no idea what council business you do on a mobile? I know you through your mums house and what happens there but obviously none of that is council business. Are you saying that some of these expenses are personal calls?

I'm saying that 120/month on a mobile is a heck of a lot of time on one(I should know, my work mobile gets a battering pretty much all day long but I don't cover anything like what you seem to be doing).I don't doubt that you work hard and are 100% comitted to teh role, I can see that each time we speak irrespective of if I agree with you or not on what we are discussing. What I am questioning is are you making teh right decision as to what plan, where you are when you make the calls etc. e.g. if you are sat at home its a lot cheaper to use a landline and claim that call than sat making a 1 hour call on your mobile on your settee at home. YOu and I have often discussed prudence within teh council, I'm questioning if this is an example where we are maybe not as prudent as we shoudl be.

Perhaps if you clarify what you claim, is it your whole bill? do you knock off any personal calls? do you run 2 mobiles( one work one personal?)

I'd happily ask that if anyone knows the answers to these Qs for PB to comment on them as well as I would hate to be seen as one sided in this.

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well ya know now n ya had the nerve to pm me about my comment in the other thread, well ya just re-inforced my view.:( how you have been appointed an " impartial" on here, the mind boggles.:mad:

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Could I add, The Council have got my contract right now. It's £12 a month and I within that on calls or a £1 or £2 over max (obviously my gran accounted for a huge proportion of my personal calls) and I am having problem with £7.50 data bolt on. Last months bill cost me £28.53 in data. So it is still not totally resolved.

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I think both mobile bills are excessive.

How many of those calls are made while sat at home I wonder?

Most people get free local calls on their home phone these days or can add it for a monthly charge that could be claimed back.

People should be trying to reduce mobile phone usage due to possible health side effects of having it stuck to the side of your brain for hours a day.

Andrew why have you posted expenses only and not the full cost of Councillors to us Council Tax payers by including all allowances and expenses claimed?

Also why have you only posted Graham and Peters expenses and not all the Councillors?

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sorry mate but I am absolutely your 'floating voter' I make my mind up based on what I believe is right for my community at teh time I'm voting and whats being offered.

I have no ingrained political standing that clouds my judgement and I will happily accept and support both sides based on who I believe is right.

That means I'm equally happy to challange Conservative views as much as I do Labour ( Cyfr will confirm that I do this with him on a regular basis.)

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Being a mod does not make you impartial, he is still entitled to his views and beliefs, as long as these do not adjust/taint his behaviour against those who disagree with him then I see no issue.

As teh old saying goes, I don't like what he says but I defend to teh end his right to say it.

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Right again Mr C

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Sorry Graham, that doesn't read correctly, care to make it sound right as I can't work out what you are trying to say

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yeh but he don't like what i say n thinks i shouldn't.:(

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One or two people may think differently but I consider myself an ordinary member of Joe Public. These threads come across as a personal vendetta, be interesting to see how ordinary I am if anybody else sees it that way ;)

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I don't see them as such, the data is there irrespective of which side of teh political fence wanted to publish them.

If there was merit in it then I have no doubt Graham or any Labour supporter would have done the same. As it is Cyfr did explain it is part of his on going education and like it or not it has sparked a lot of political debate which is a good thing as it makes for excellent reading and has probably eductaed a lot of people on some of teh internal workings of teh council.

For this last point teh threads stand on their own merit.

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exactly how i see it. plus i do not buy the crap that its part of on going education.i'm with katex 100% on this.

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Well I have nothing to hide;

Here's the allowances 2003-2008 (makes sure it says .xls on the end and not html -its an excel file)

Link not acceptable.... will try again...

There are two views (in Custom View menu);

1. by EXTRA allowances
2. by TOTAL allowances

It does not include hotels, conference meals, mobiles etc... I'll post that later.

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Could I add, The Council have got my CALLS contract right now. It's £12 a month and I am within that on calls, or a £1 or £2 over max (obviously my gran accounted for a huge proportion of my personal calls previously)

I am having problem with £7.50 data bolt on. Last months bill cost me £28.53 in data. So it is still not totally resolved.

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Just send me an email and I will send the Allowances Spreadsheet to anyone who requests it.

[email protected]

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Therefore the reason that his food and travel is at £0!! I think Graham has given a decent explanation for his mobile bills.

This is the only post i'm going to make on this issue, because to be quite honest with you I think its pathetic! I will be no longer spending my time reading about your pathetic, childish petty squabbles! If I cared that much about the expenses then I would get the information myself. If Accyweb is just going to turn into an andrewb & g jones political mudslinging site then quite frankly I dont want anything to do with it!!

Rant over!

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The Do-do-gate ones?

The ones that earlier in the week caused Peter Britcliffe's close friend Jaysay to convey a worried message to andrewb, that somehow got delivered to myself...

'said you may have opened a can of worms with this one, don't know how your going to get out of it without dropping us right in the dodo, I know Peters Exes are very very high and will just add more fuel to the fire'

:rolleyes:

(Happily I've since been informed that it's not against forum rules to post a pm.):)

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I agree. It's a race to the bottom and not what it should be, a race to the top. One part of me feels guilty for being party to it and one part of me is hacked off that if we say nothing, some people believe the stories they put out and honest councillors are losing their seats. Tough call.

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Well I didn't know then that Busby sits on HBC 118 118 we've got his number:p

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i challenge em both also, can honestly say i never ever voted conservative though, can you say the same about any party?

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That issue does become a little blurred when you receive pm's telling you to stop mentioning his relationship with another member.

Was it sent by the son, or a moderator?

Since the relationship was first mentioned by them, it seems a little odd to want to turn the clock back, and pretend we don't know.

Openess is good, but I don't remember any other similar relationship declarations when little pals have suddenly appeared to back up other arguments, such as in the David Davis thread.

Those little pals have been as quiet as church mice since then.:rolleyes:

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I agree firmly that it shouldnt be mentioned my relationship to another not relevant I believe its un-professional and a poor tactic used in defense.

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One on here appears to be pre-occupied by hot dogs and coke and relationships to others very odd.

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Here are some interesting figures on Peter Britcliffe's Member's Allowance payment form 2003/2004 year to 2007/2008 year.

2003/2004 basic allowance (which every member is entitled to claim) £3102.75 + special Responsibility allowance £11765.02 Total £14867.77
2004/2005 basic £3134.74 + special £12644.62 Total £15779.36 (an increase of 6.13%)
2005/2006 basic £3726.46 + special £14549.46 Total £185275.92 (an increase of 15.82%)
2006/2007 basic £4154.10 + special £16616.04 Total £20770.14 (an increase of 13.65%)
2007/2008 basic £4257.97 + special £21862.01 Total £26119.98 (an increase of 25.76%)
so in 4 years he had an increase in his members (and special) allowances of 75.68%, I have compared the increase in the National Minimum wage over the same 4 years - this increased by 23%.

In addition to the members and special allowances he has also claimed mileage, childcare and subsisitence.

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I was browsing through Hyndburn Homes webpages recently and spotted his name on 'the board'. Does he still do that and does get paid for it?

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Do the members have another occupation too or is this their full time job.

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Some members do have a full time job and have to loose money from work to take time off for day time meetings. But as far as I am aware none of the Cabinet members work - most are retired.

Last year the highest allowances paid to any member of Rossendale Council (which is a similar sized authority - with 36 members- Hyndburn has 35) was just short of £12K.

Peter Britcliffe's special allowance for being Leader of the Council is actually higher than that of the Leader Blackburn with Darwen council - which is a unitary council and so has the responsibility of being responsible for Highways and Social Services (amongst other), which in Hyndburn are functions of LCC.

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So you don't want to admit to being Andrew's mum, is he that bad? :p:rolleyes::D

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Everyone can claim those and I hope the system is set up to reimburse out of pocket expenses and not so money can be made from claiming expenses.

I see no one has yet answered by previous question - how much money the top Council Officers are paid yet to use as a comparison to the Councillors?

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Sorry Mr Jones, I know I'm being numb here, but I have no idea what you're saying about your phone allowances.
You do pay for your own personal communication, don't you? It isn't paid for by the council, surely. I'd appreciate it if you'd put this in big clear letters for me, ta :)

p.s. I admire you for your dedication to being a carer Mr Jones, good on you.

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So what other full time jobs, other than recipient of govt. bail outs, have received such outrageous increases?:confused:

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Well, if you did believe that firmly, why did you mention it? And what does "professionalism", what ever that overused buzz word means, have to do with posting in a public forum? Hell, I don't get paid for doing it, nor does anyone else ... we are all amateurs here. Long live amateurism:theband: And what is being defended:confused:

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Perhaps if it's going to be such an issue, it would have been wiser not to have mentioned it in the first place.

It's not as if it was mentioned to someone in confidence, and then suddenly became public by being posted...they did that themselves.

As for being 'unprofessional' if it's ever referred to, I suppose that now makes yourself, and myself, 'professional' Accy Webbers.

Cool.

When's pay day, and how much do we get paid for our professional services?

Should we start a union to protect our rights?

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Make sure you negotiate a cast iron pension contract in the event that you may have to leave early, possibly under a cloud of poor judgement.

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It's in reference to a now infamous quote that started the whole expenses ball rolling.

Perhaps being being only a 'local' issue, which you profess to take little interest in, you overlooked it in the local press, has happened with your polling card which showed which ward you live in.;)

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Nah, let's just get paid by the half-hour, like the oldest professionals .... put a c-note under the pillow and don't slam the door when you leave:D:D:D

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I dare not comment. :eek:

I might get another visit from "Boris" :D:D:D:D

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How Much?????????????????:D:D:D:D

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With such poor punters as these I reckon we could knock 'em out in ten minutes, and have triple the income.:D

Since I know you appreciate a good quote, I just happened across this African proverb, which for some reason made me think of this thread.


“Only a fool tests the depth of the water with both feet.”


:rolleyes:

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A hundred bucks is cheap ... think of the cost of dinner, wine, more drinks, a visit to the clubs, flowers etc:eek::eek::eek: ... oh, and a cab ride home;)

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Nice .... I reserve the right to use this without giving you any credit whatsoever;) It's the kinda guy I am:D

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If only poor Princess Margaret had holidayed in Africa, rather than Mustique, she might have known not to have put both feet in a scalding bath, and wouldn't have spent the last few years of her life in a wheelchair.:D

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Personally I'd find it difficult to offer an opinion that's going to be of any value, when I knew so little of the basic facts that were involved, in whatever subject was being discussed, for fear of looking an almighty fool.:rolleyes:

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As Hilaire Belloc once said:

andrewb says that g jones' of gutter breed,
And g jones says andrewb's a fool indeed,
And g jones and andrewb and I are all agreed.

Well, what he really said was:

Lump says that Caliban's of gutter breed,
And Caliban says Lump's a fool indeed,
And Caliban and Lump and I are all agreed.

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Are you scared of spiders? :confused:

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Graham, are you saying you only claim 12 pounds a month on your council mobile bills? If so where does teh figure quoted come in? its a factor of 10 out from whjats being quoted.

please clarify so we all know what we are talking about here.

@Cashy - you want me to admit to not having an open enough mind that would allow me to change my vote depending on what I believe is right at the time. - rather starnge to want to admit to being blinkered. Unfortunately I'm not....

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I think a rickshaw woud be more appropriate than a pram and the Kow Tow would be complete.....I think the almighty fool might be you sunshine. Personally I think you would find it difficult to offer an opinion that would not involve you as principle player.

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Personally I feel andrewb has done himself no favours in this thread, yet again he has tried and failed to get the upper hand on g jones. I'm not happy with him being so bias against members of this forum and will be sending Roy a PM asking that he is no longer allowed to be a moderator of this site. I believe he could be in a position where he could use his moderator tag for his own gain, which under no circumstances should that be allowed.

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Far too many coulds in that sentence.
Even though we all often disagree with his views, he's well entitled to them.
I don't see how his moderator status is being abused. Until it is, it's a mute point.

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have you ANY evidence that Andrew has abused his Mod power?

If not then why have such an issue with it. I know Roy would not put up with it if anything like that happened and knowing Andrew persoanlly I know he isn't petty or short sighted enough to do such a thing. whether you like his political views or not I find him to be an HONEST and decent young man.



I don't think he has done anything wrong here. Graham has left and created a huge amount of confusion with his posts hence my Qs to try and clarify it.

e.g. Graham quotes figure of 12 quid a month yet expenses show 1400 a year, these fiugures simply don't add up.

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Perhaps when he issues personal messages to members, telling them not to do certain things, he could perhaps tell us if he's wearing his moderator's hat, or that of an ordinary member.

So we can either abide by the edict, if it's a breach of forum rules, or in the case of his own opinion, we are then free to tell him where to go, without fear of banishment.

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That I would agree with.

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The word could is used because he is in a position were he COULD use it to his advantage, I hope he doesn't.

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I never said he has.

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I'm in a position where I could throw my laptop at the wall to avoid reading certain members' posts. I hope I don't!

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IMHO unless he identifies himself as a mod in his posts or PMs then he is as a normal member.

No one has ever questioned other mods views even though they have in teh past been controversial. why so with Andrew, is it because his are 'political' views as opposed to views about ' normal' life. If so then I feel for teh future of this country that people are prepared to fall out, not trust, change behaviour with a person just because they see things differently than you. isn't that where we were with systems like apartheid, racism, slavery etc. You can have views about something that don't fit with your friends without them getting in the way of friendship, respect etc.

Graham often quotes teh "Race to teh bottom" in his posts, I'd rather it be a race to honesty and clarity irrespective of what side of the red/blue line that falls then we as voters can make our own decisions based on fact rather than propaganda.

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obviously to more than 1 member.:rolleyes:

good.

thats the grey area, you obviously have not recieved a P.M. were that issue is not clear, so ya would say that.:rolleyes: i honestly am not sure.

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but you feel happy to send Roy a PM to remove his mod powers based on no evidence or even any recognition that you even suspect him of doing anything wrong. so how does that fit with comon sense cause I find I'm struggling to work it out myself.

If you think he's done something then fair enough but be striong enough to say so, if not then why even think of passing comment.

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Until very recently I've more than easily been able to distinguish between the official and the personal, from every single moderator on the site, when it comes to pm's.

After this week that is no longer the case, and if you can't see that you obviously haven't recieved such a messsage, one which is confusing as to it's status.

I took the risk of being banned, and hoped mine was a personal message of petulance, rather than an offical one.

It would avoid a conflict of interests if it was made clear as to which hat a moderator was wearing, when it comes to issuing demands.

Then there'd be no confusion.

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funny how someone who is impartial n believes in free speech don't grasp that.:rolleyes:

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No not the case at all. I just wanted to be honest, and im very proud of him like any mum would be but its not to be used in a un-professional way.:)

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Why is there a need to be professional on this board?
Any road - Andrew is a student, not a politician or any kind of professional just yet :)

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In what sense are you using "professional" ... does it have specific application, or is it merely a marketing buzzword .... used in the sense that automobile repair shops advertise that they have "professional" mechanics, as opposed to - I dunno - maybe hamfisted, low expectation, hamburger flippers who have never handled a wrench in their lives.:confused:

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yeh aint the only one who thinks that shaker, has been mentioned earlier in thread, seems ignoring certain things runs in the family.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Fair enough, but it was your choice to inform us of the fact that you're his mother. It's not a mandatoy rule. As stated in another thread there are lots of members of this forum in some way related to each other. We are neither interested, nor care very much, because their posts are as valid as everyone else's.

We are generally a trusting bunch on here, and if someone agrees, or disagrees with someone else, we usually accept that they are posting what they actually believe in, and not supporting someone because of any ties, be those ties of fiendship or kinship. The same applies to you.

In the past, on some heated debates, we've occasionally had some youngsters join up, vehemently supporting one particular side of an argument, who then all but disappear from the forum, never to be seen again, usually at the end of a term.

If they joined, having no particular links to the area, and had any sort of relationship/connection to any other member, they certainly didn't see a need to inform us of their bias.

It's happened quite a few times, perhaps your ever so transparent son might fill you in on the details of such threads.

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:D....hang on ere.. we all know what folk from up top side of Ossie get up to but don't tar us all with the same brush!

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Awwww don't feel left out, you're like family too.;)

You're looked on as a dear old uncle, who got sent far away many years ago, to a more secure place, for everyone's sake.:D

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I see a few of you have been confused. Well, I don't think being called a person who compares me with Hitler, is really that good a call, cashman, I can't believe you wonder why I disagree with you.

Garinda, It's quite clear that you're using the family link, that's okay my friend, nobody will stop you from doing so, its nothing on me if you don't have a good argument.

I will never use the status I have been given, wrongly as anybody who has used the forum will know, the existing moderators would be the first to object if I did, and good on them.

As for the original post, I am not, a nasty person, I did not target anybody. If personal calls have been used for council tax payers money, that is not my fault. If it hasn't, then I'm sure people will be glad to hear the £1400 bill has been subsidised for personal calls.

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Is there a version of this in English:eek:

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You may not be a "nasty person" ...but to my mind you do step up and take what lets say ....an extreme Tory attitude in your posts..... you have grown up ... and become a slog hard Tory... and there we were hoping you might have gained at least the basics of the world we live in ... but no... you have taken the path of a very good education given to you by hard working people ...and slapped them in the face.

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hard working tories don't pay tax nowadays then do they? Perhaps I should join them after looking how much tax I paid this month.

You want to educate people to think then castigate them when they do? Thats a very strange world you live in Mancie

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Like I've already said, and I certainly don't lie, I've found a recent pm from yourself very confusing, as to which hat you were wearing when it was sent.

Was it the demand of a moderator, or that of an ordinary member?

Happily I guessed rightly, because I'm still here.

As for your family relationships, again, you chose to mention it, no one else.

I think you might have to get used to the fact that it might be referred to from time to time, and stop throwing your dummy out of the pram, every time it's mentioned.;)

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Peter Britcliffe Total Allowances 2004-2005 £17,201.05

Peter Britcliffe Total Allowances 2007-2008 £27,760.59


Nice work if you can get it, and have the privilege of deciding what percentage pay increase you think you're worth.

I bet there are lots of workers, both in the private and public sector, who wish they were in the same position, that of deciding themselves that they deserve such a massive increase.

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Can you 100% prove that those personal calls not used for Hyndburn Council business were not reimbursed - you very conveniently did not request that information in your FOI.

Maybe you should now do another FOI and request the value of the any reimbursement to HBC by any of the councillors who had HBC mobile phones in the 2007 to 2008 municipal year.

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You could ask me if you're unsure, or you could spread it around the forum to make your weak arguments seem better, your call. I can see which one you went for. :rolleyes: If you have a problem then please report my post/message or give me a PM. This isn't for this thread.

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This week I found out that one big employer in Hyndburn is about to put it's entire workfoce of over a hundered workers on short time for the foreseeable future, cutting their income by a third.

Still, at least they can take comfort in the fact, as they scrape around to find the money to pay their increased Council Tax bills, that they are paying to employ the very best that money can buy.

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No I can't, which is why council tax payers would love to hear that our money has not been used for personal phone calls. I did actually ask for subsidised figures, but they don't seem to have been provided.

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Maybe Andrew would like to comment on the information I posted earlier in this thread itemising Peter Britcliffe's member's allowance since the 2003-2004 year.- but probably not because it shows his party in a bad light. Most of the council tax payers of Hyndburn would love to have had a 75.68% increase since 2003-2004.

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I'd rather comment on the thread at hand, about the expenses. If you want to divert into allowances for the hard work councillors do in keeping our council tax down, then please, go ahead, start another thread. Currently we're discussing the cost of the Labour leaders mobile phone bill, I hope you can join us.

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Well maybe you should contact them again and ask for the rest of the information you requested in your FOI.

Are you going to give us the benefit of your extensive 'knowlege' in regard to the obscene increase in Peter Britcliffe's members allowances from 2003/04 and 2007/08 - 75.68%

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Please God no.

Let's not waste anymore time of paid council employees, who I'm sure have much more worthwhile things they can be doing for us instead.

I'm sure councillors would be more than willing to provide the other information, if asked nicely.

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I asked for "Mobile phone costs (if they are council provided or subsidised)". Obviously they have just given me the figures for phone bills under the ream of 'expenses', if councillors pay themselves, it's not really council expenses is it.

However if Hyndburn Borough Council have got it wrong, and Graham does subsidise his personal calls, then I'm sure he'll be along to tell us any time soon.

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Andrew you still don't appear to have any views on the 'obscene' level of pay rise Peter Britcliffe has had between 2003/04 and 20007/08. Or is that ok because he is a Tory?

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Then why not just put down the mobile phone costs? If we are only discussing the leaders mobile bill the only put down the mobile phone bill!

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Anyone can take the path of this good education if they choose too.I dont get the bit Slapped them in the face?

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I don't think Cyfer is slapping us in the face, at least he seems to be attending and attempting to learn something.

It would be more a slap in the face if he was to say, go to university get his grant then give up the course with no intention of giving the money back as many other people seem to do.

I hope he comes out of it with a really good degree, I may not agree with his politics but I think he is enjoying and taking a real advantage from his time at Uni'.

:)

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All personal calls have to paid for so the Council messing up my account left me out of pocket. It also left the Council out of pocket too.

It was said I was the only Councillor (there are only 5 mobiles allowed Leaders and Deputies) who went through their's line by line and coffed up. Not sure about that.

Since the bill has fallen to within the monthly allowance (£12) for a such a small amount I now pay a %.

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Silly post. You don't know what your talking about.

Is this advocating a one party state? Adversity is the backbone of democracy. Courts, Councils, Governments. The backbone of free speech, Board rooms, families, social groups, IT messageboards.

This debate is not blue v red (only ignorance leads to that conclusion). Or is it one group against another. It shows your naivety.

The rest of us want democracy back. Where you have say (the one you seem to want o give up so cheaply without explanation). That's what I am fighting for. If you're against that then your leaning towards totalitarianism.

Don't take my word, take the the word of the 3 Tory Councillors who have resigned because of that fact.

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Yes, but you are taken in by the propaganda. It is a race to the bottom. What positive things in 10 years (Conservatives) has those making the decisions done? No Tory ever answers this question.

And in the spirit of a race to the top I put to you The Globe Centre - George Slynn - 600 good jobs - just for starters.

So where next?