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Is there a point at which multiculteralism should be deemed to be heading too far.? Its been reported that 1 in 7 primary school pupils have English as a second language. In some areas English is a foreign language to over 70% of 4-11 year olds. Ten schools are without a single pupil who has English as a first language. In 4 years the number of primary school children who dont have English as their first language has increased by 25% and one school has pupils with 56 different languages!. This is as things stand now...or rather last year, so surely if nothing is done to drastically curtail immigration, then this situation can only get much worse. This surely must greatly effect the standard of education that children are receiving in this country, when so much resource has to be put basic english language skills. Apparently £206 million funding is being put into increasing the "Ethnic minority achievement grant" by 2010.
Surely if things are allowed to carry on at this rate, we as a country are going to lose our national identity, can that be right? WE've always been a very patriotic country, proud of our national heritage and common values. This must be being eroded by the level of multiculteralism to which we are surely heading, if more control is not taken over immigration. Its obviously right and beneficial to have a certain ammount of diversity, and integration of others cultures into our society, but i dont feel this should be allowed to grow to a level that it puts our own National Identity at risk. One of the benefits of travel, is to see other nationalities and cultures, a lot can be enjoyed and learned by seeing other lands and how people live there. However, its still usually nice to return home, and be among people of your own upbriging with whom you share common values. Britain is i think in danger of feeling less like home, and more just a nation of disparate groups sharing a chunk of earth. Australia, another island nation, has set and indeed now reduced the level of imigrants its going to take, particularily in the current ecconomic climate. I really feel we need to do the same. If things carry on in the way that they are, rather than us having to debate possible Street name changes in Hyndburn, our Grandchildren and Great Grandchildren may be talking about changing the name of the Country! Best Regards - Taggy |
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I think children should not be allowed to attend school if they don't meet a certain level of English.
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A postmaster in Nottingham is in trouble with the Post Office because he has decided if people who can't speak English go in to his post office he will refuse to serve them. Be prepared for a suprise when you read about it :)
BBC NEWS | England | Nottinghamshire | Postmaster's foreign language ban |
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Just one other thing, though...when they were talking about this on TV this morning, someone said that out of the half million or so British expats who live in Spain, around 70% don't speak Spanish. Is this true? |
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There are no translated documents. No benefits unless and until you pay into the Spanish system and no sympathy if you are able bodied and dont work. |
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Just crossed my mind that Spain and la belle province de Quebec have quite a bit in common;) |
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... apart from the weather of course.
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The Ex-Pat community..........mostly do speak a little Spanish and pick it up as they go along....I would say that the 30% who do speak the language fluently are the children of Ex-Pats and passed on to parents. The Spanish Government do provide, in night schools, language lessons for anyone who wishes to learn. Supermarkets here are the same as all Europe, You choose what you want and pay. |
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By the way, Quebec has an "in French only" law for all signs in the province ... and all immigrants in Quebec must send their children to French only schools. I love Quebec ... it's different, it's French, it's fun, and it's Canadian ... and given the inability of the Parti Quebecois to sell indepence, will probably remain so. Now, if only les Canadiens de Montreal could start playing some better hockey ..... |
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Also a child born in the US to Irish immigrant parents (green card holders, but not yet citizens) automatically gets a US passport but also qualifies for an Irish passport. Like the old saying , Just because the cat has kittens in the oven , don't make them biscuits" |
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Maybe an Accy web user who lives in Spain can tell us if a child born in Spain of British passport holders (or other nationality) automatically qualifies for Spainish citizenship. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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As you say, though, maybe one of our Spanish expats can enlighten us. I would imagine they'll all be out at their Spanish classes at the moment ("When in Rome" and all that), but they should be back soon. ;) |
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'Over the last couple of decades Spain has gone from being a country of economic migrants to being a desirable destination for economic immigrants. Immigration to Spain has increased five-fold since 1999, but the country's Socialist government says it is determined to turn what might seem like a huge problem into a distinct advantage' http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4579127.stm The answer is yes, as is the same througout the E.E.C. |
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Reading this makes the legal status of such children even more confused. Birthright citizenship as nationality of convenience |
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Like the saying by the way .... reminds me of that brilliant retort to one of Sarah Palin's blunders: "just because I can see the moon from my backyard etc." |
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interesting reading , Thanks |
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a quick thought.
alot of brits have gone to places such as saudi and dubai to make ALOT of money. there's no denying alot of brits have got very very rich from workin in arab countries. those arab countries flex their own laws, turn a blind eye just so that those brits can feel a lil more comfy. they allow alcohol to be consumed in public where normally it'd be hands chopped off. they give leeway and a certain flex to accomodate the foriegners. should those brits do the whole when in rome too? |
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I think the answer to that has to be 'yes'.
Though if the Brits wish to consume alcohol then it should be done discreetly in their own homes or compounds. when they take these jobs they must surely be told of the cultural differences, and they should abide by them if they want to work in that country. |
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i would say yeh mani, i blame those countries fer allowing it, the law should apply to everyone. simple as.
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It's 25 years since I lived in Saudi Arabia but, I can assure you, there was no tolerance of any other religion or culture.
At Christmas I could buy cards to send to my friends and family at home but none of them said the word "Christmas" because it wasn't allowed. It was "Happy Holiday". A Lebanese catholic priest was expelled from the country, simply for saying mass for the Lebanese in Riyadh. He worked as an engineer by day. I couldn't go out without my husband, couldn't drive a car, couldn't be seen with bare arms or legs. Alcohol was not tolerated except, I believe, in the Aramco site, which was an Arab/American oil company. Oh yes, I think we should do as other countries do. |
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So I can safely say that when I was in Saudi I did not act like I do when I am in a 'normal' country. I was completely not myself, as I had no choice in the matter at all. |
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I spent a lot of time in Malaya which is a Muslim Country and there were no restriction on alchohol whatsoever.
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Whatever his frustrations are it's not his job to decide who is and isn't served in his employer's Post Office. In my job I dealt with many customers who spoke little or no English. My boss wouldn't have been too happy if I'd have refused to accept their custom. I guess most of us would be equally angry if on holiday we were refused service in a Post Office, whilst trying to buy stamps, because our Turkish/Greek/French wasn't up to scratch. As for Mani's comments about Brits working in predominantly Muslim countries. Some countries, Dubai for example, have a liberal policy when it comes to drink, because it benefits their planned tourist industry. Although there was the recent case of two people being imprisoned for public indecency, when they had sex in public at a beach bar. On the other hand there are countries where alcohol consumption and recreational drugs are severely punished, and there are cases of British workers and/or their offspring facing the severest penalties for breaking the laws of their host countries. Wherever people chose to live or work, they should abide by the customs and laws of their host countries, or be prepared to face the consequences if they decide they aren't going to show that respect. |
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Best Regards - Taggy |
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The benefits system is there...and it is the fault of the government if people come here and play the system.
The system should require that you have paid into it to get benefits.(In which case some of our own population would not qualify for benefits) Some truly destitue people should get limited help....and they should have to pay back the cost once they are working. There should be economic rules for migrants - they must be able to show that they have 1) a job. 2) enough money to sustain them for a period of two years 3) somewhere to live - be that a home that they have found before coming into the country/or family members who they can live with. If they cannot show proof of these things then they should not be allowed in.......someone has got to get real pretty soon, or our island is going to sink. But then implementing such measures would require better skills than this governmemt has(for all its posturing and tinkering at the edges - the benefits system requires radical reform.....and they haven't got the cojones to do it). |
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I may live in Spain but it may not be forever. I have a right to come back to the UK as a citizen with a British passport whenever the mood takes my family and I. I still retain the right to vote in the UK as do a lot of ex-pats and the state of the pound and the state of the country does not go down well in the community. I, as well as many Brits think the s... will hit the fan sooner rather than later and I hope the politicians of all parties realise that now. |
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Thanks for your comment Royboy.
I doubt whether any politicians would even consider implementing these rules. As I said in my post, they are all interested in spouting weasel words, but cannot follow any of them with the decisive action that is needed....and all parties are equally guilty of tinkering around the edges of the welfare system, but no-one making any real changes. It doesn't take an Einstein to see that before too long, there are going to be far too many folk taking out of the communal pot and not enough folk contributing to the communal pot.......and by then it will be too late. |
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You only have to look at the calibre of the MP's who are in office at present to realise that they are all in it to feather their own nests.......so they will have pensions that will guarantee they won't be on the breadline.
They are all drawing hefty salaries and then they get allowances too.......they earn more in a year that I probably have earned in my life. so they are far removed from the real world...the world that you and I inhabit....so they don't see the problem. Another reason why they won't take the decisive action that is required is, it would lose them the votes of the folk who are drawing these benefits....and without being racist, a lot of the ethnic minorities vote for these politicians......and would not do so if they thought the benefits gravy train was going to run dry. That is my opinion...for what it is worth. Now I am going to duck and await the negative Karma. |
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only the P.C. dylans will call ya racist or give ya negative, cashy will not.;)
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Tis OK Royboy....just pleased to hear there are some folk out there who can see some sense in my ramblings.
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I recognise that Jaysay.
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Are you on leave from Broadmoor or high on Kellogs? :dummy: |
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According to todays Daily Express (27.3.09) the post-clerk has been told by his employer that his services are no longer required. He is quoted as stating that he will look into opening his own business and ensure that his policy of not serving non-English speaking customers will be applied. Ah well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Though if he next decides disabled people take too long buying their stamps, and decides their custom is no longer welcome, they like other groups are protected by law from discrimination.;) |
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And you tar the members of Accyweb with the racist brush....well pardon me, but isn't that post just a little bit racist...or does the smiley absolve you from that crime? |
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I'd hate to end up like you...mate.;) |
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I also have some knowledge of history too.
My Father was blown up at the D-day landings.......but we are talking a long time ago now.......and many of the Germans who were the perpetrators of those atrocities are long dead and are answering for their crimes to their maker. So from your answer I guess that you think that a race of people, who have done wrong in the past, must pay for it in perpetuity.......the sins of the fathers, and all that. Surely you don't believe that this justifies racism, but then perhaps you do........and are therefore no different from those whom you label racist. |
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I have seen these posts too.......but do not feel that because I have seen them, it makes me one of them too.
I think you are just as guilty of the crime that you load onto the fellow members of Accyweb. I do not feel that the atrocites that happened during the second world war should be forgotten, but I don't think it is right, sensible, or fair to judge the German nation of today with the crimes that happend many years ago. We remember so that we do not make the same mistakes again. And if you think that the atrocites that were carried out by the Germans were the only ones in History then I suggest that you go back to the books and do some more research. |
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I'll go along with that Margaret.. no problem.. so why do we bunch anyone that ain't white as a bunch of scrounging non english speaking scum?.
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Mancie my post wasn't racist, I was merely pointing out something that is happening all to often, people who have never wanted to live here but then want on cash in on our health service. As I've said time and again on here, I haven't got problem people coming to this country providing they contribute, but examples like the one I mentioned are taking the pee, and that I may add is not an isolated case either. You can't go to any other country in the world and get free health care, in most countries if you haven't paid into the system you don't get treated, I think Spain is a prime example of this.
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Do we? And is that the 'Royal' we. I think it is possible that we all fall into this trap at times, but that doesn't warrant being designated as a racist. |
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As I said in an earlier post, we have to apply economic rules to migrants......even if this hasn't been done in the past.
I feel that without this form of monitoring of the funds of migrants we will be increasingly overwhelmed by the benefit demands of those who have not(and probably will not) pay into the system. The whole of the benefits system require a root and branch overhaul of major proportions. Successive governments(of all colours...and not in the racist sense) have tinkered around the edges, and not made any real differences. To be honest I can't see it happening soon. |
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According to the week-end press, the Mullah's have set up a T.V. Station which shows a Muslim flag flying over Parliament and Big Ben. Chances of that happening? Think about it. Certain areas are fast becoming swamped with Muslims through immigration and excessive breeding. When did you last see a Muslim woman who wasn't pregnant? Schools are oversubscribed. The N.H.S. is at bursting point. It it, therefore, not too difficult to envisage that Muslims will soon be electing their own M.P's as the indiginous population seem somehow reluctant to vote, and the current adminstration (mainly Scots) seem hell bent on destroying the native culture of the United Kingdom and England in particular. Granted, this will be taken by some as a prejudicial posting, but I would argue otherwise as I believe I am only stating the facts of what will surely become obvious in the not too distant future.
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it surely is a multicultural world....
I cant wait till all the aliens land and the government let them stay here and work. Oh and dont forget the outsourcing to other planets...then i will listen for the the moans and groans of fascists, bigots and xenophobes of this country...:cough i mean world.. Come on people lets hate everybody... I of course hope and pray for the fall of all religions.... |
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.......and they decided to let US stay here and work:D |
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Of course, the aliens have landed, and they're taking over. Five minutes of watching and listening to Gordon Brown should tell you that!
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Also what i dont get is why people want to come to this bloody crap country in the first place.....and why people are so damn uptight about it..... I wish i could just hop on a boat in a crate of apples and sneak into america...go live in maine, new england..or perhaps californa or maybe Canada.... But then again why send asylum seekers to get beheaded or something. I heard a story of a woman being buried up to her neck in sand and being stoned to death for adultry...if that happened here you would see it every morning on the f**king jeremy kyle show... So could you happily send somebody back to barbaric countries to face that??? |
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Your original thread mentions Britain but now you have boiled it down to England when you blame the Scots..."when did you last see a muslim woman that was not pregnant?" are you an 11yr old? I agree with Restless one this one because religion is the problem..it's not racial. |
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There's a new program Started on Ski about Board Police, the number of Afghans who were caught trying to enter Britain illegally was a joke. We have our troops being killed every day in Afghanistan, and these people are trying to enter this county, not once but twice sometimes three times. why should our lads be giving up their lives when these people aren't prepared to stay and help rid their own country of the Taliban
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we watched a programme last week, police were raiding restraunts etc in glasgow, catching illegal immigrants working in em etc, most of em said they LOST there PASSPORT, so therefore no powers to send em back, so police are knackered just tell em not allowed to work, they actually caught one guy the previous week working at another restraunt, i mean hell whats goin on in this country? its more than taking the pish, its rubbing our noses in it.:mad: so what does ANY party intend to do about this joke of a system?
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If anything was going to be done, it would have happened by now.......the problem lies with the government, they pussy foot round everyone (except the British)...we obviously count for nothing in this not so fair land..:(
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